The Frog Guide and Frog Discussion Thread III

[anblader001]

Originally Posted by Wanboar

what do you mean no one has time for it? we're talking about how to win tournaments with 40 pieces of cardboard that have pictures of frogs on them. I don't know about you guys, but I consider that as the definition of "no life"

even though I could put up some kind of argument disagreeing with this, I think I might just sig it instead

[anblader001]

Originally Posted by Lonely Tylenol

You must love seeing my posts then. Every single one of them is a long-winded rant about why X card is good, or X strategy is too situational, or X card doesn't do enough for the deck and why Y card does it better.

That's so odd. I just assume most people TL;DR my posts because each one is term paper-sized and nobody has time for that here.

i sometimes like reading them but sometimes you can make some pretty situational scenarios to prove a point

[russgenious]

Originally Posted by Wanboar

what do you mean no one has time for it? we're talking about how to beat smelly 20 year olds in a children's card game with 40 pieces of cardboard that have pictures of frogs on them. I don't know about you guys, but I consider that as the definition of "no life"

not all 40 of the cardboard pieces are related to frogs lol. some even have shiny silver letters that i try to feel through the plastic card sleeves - made to protect them - so i can have more of a "connection"... substitoads for example. xD

neway, what would be a good deck name for frogs? i mean just "wetland frogs" is kinda boring...

[sorryimvegan]

"Wetland Symphony"
"Croaking of the Masses"

That's what I came up with

[Seven-Lost-Seasons]

Well, when/if we get more of the Lvl 2 and lower Ice Barrier monsters, we could build an "Icelands" deck

[Swift_Black_Blur]

Originally Posted by russgenious

neway, what would be a good deck name for frogs? i mean just "wetland frogs" is kinda boring...

myfrogsrsowet.dek?

Not particularly exciting, but arguably more titillating.

[Lonely Tylenol]

Originally Posted by Swift_Black_Blur

*laughs* Someone's fishing for a compliment, even if he isn't meaning to...

Yeah, you know I'm grasping at straws when I'm fishing for compliments on the length of my posts.

....

OH GOD! I'M SO DESPERATE FOR ATTENTION!

SOMEBODY LUUUUUUUURV ME!!!

/runs out of room, crying sporadically

Originally Posted by russgenious

neway, what would be a good deck name for frogs? i mean just "wetland frogs" is kinda boring...

Well, I run a different variation than most of you lads and lasses, so I've decided to call mine "Degenerate Frogs". It makes them sound edgy, like they're going to beat you up and steal your lunch money or something (never you mind the fact that I'm twenty and a pacifist, and even saying that brings me to new levels of "lame" previously unreached by someone of my age and social status, even on pojo).

[anblader001]

Originally Posted by Swift_Black_Blur

myfrogsrsowet.dek?

Not particularly exciting, but arguably more titillating.

lol and the solidarity builds would be "utoo?".dek

in all seriousness, I did used to call my old frog build SageMode.dek on YVD since its based around substitoad and I like the anime Naruto as well.

also, I just realized that we should really have a rulings section in the guide. So many ruling come up when playing frogs, so having something available to link to would be great. Like the one saying that book of moon doesn't stop the activation of Des Croaking if the spell has already been played

[sorryimvegan]

I think that ruling on Flip Flop Frog and Poison Draw Frog is the most necessary. Many frog decks use poison draw frog thinking they get a free draw and the Q&A department has their hands on flip flip frog a lot.

[Heart]

What's a basic structure of a Solidiary Frog deck?
Or the staples.

[Aarikku]

Originally Posted by Heart

What's a basic structure of a Solidiary Frog deck?
Or the staples.

*shrug*

1-3x Solidarity
2-3x a bunch of frogs

Those are the staples.

[Inmato]

I just call my .dek file Wetlands.dek

On pojo, it's the Swamp of Frustration

[CyberneticEmperor]

Alright I'm new to frogs.

Monsters
Substitoad x3
Dupe Frog x3
Swamp Frog x3
UniFrog x3
Flip Flop Frog x3
Sangan x1
Criomaster of the Ice Barrier x1
Mother Grizzly x3

Spells
Wetlands x2
Salvage x2(I only have 2 ATM )
Moray of Greed x3
Pot of Avarice x2
Level Limit Area B x1
Scape Goats x1

Traps
Spiritual Water art-Aoi x3
Aegis of the ocean dragon lord x3
Solemn Judgment x1

[Lonely Tylenol]

Originally Posted by CyberneticEmperor

Alright I'm new to frogs.

Monsters
Substitoad x3
Dupe Frog x3
Swamp Frog x3
UniFrog x3
Flip Flop Frog x3
Sangan x1
Criomaster of the Ice Barrier x1
Mother Grizzly x3

Spells
Wetlands x2
Salvage x2(I only have 2 ATM )
Moray of Greed x3
Pot of Avarice x2
Level Limit Area B x1
Scape Goats x1

Traps
Spiritual Water art-Aoi x3
Aegis of the ocean dragon lord x3
Solemn Judgment x1

Spiritual Water Art - Aoi isn't really that good without support for it, such as Trap Dustshoot and Mind Crush, and neither is particularly good in a Frog build anyhow, because Frogs focus more on field control through gaining advantage than they do on hand control (minus Robbin' Goblin variants, but that's literally all you need for hand control there) and can't lose two cards on the field for one in the hand.

Cyromancer of the Ice Barrier is just... A random potential 2500 beater since there are no other Ice Barrier monsters for him to get his effect. I'd drop him, because the only monsters that Cyromancer can beat that Swap Frog can't are Celestia and the Monarchs (cool name for a band, by the way, if anyone is interested), and they'll probably kill the monster that gains from Wetlands (or Wetlands itself) through their effect if they are summoned second. Plus, the focus is on Flip's flip ability, which renders beatsticks kinda pointless.

Moray of Greed is a +0 and its requirements are kinda tough to meet. Since you're running two Salvage, I'd run two Morays, and instead add a third Pot of Avarice (which has ridiculously easy-to-meet conditions, and is a +1 to hand).

Mother Grizzly used to be really good in Frogs, but nowadays it's simply outclassed. I'd drop all three.

You should now have nine open spots in your Frog deck (I only removed seven cards, but you only had a 38-card deck). For those nine I'd consider...

- Dandylion: Generates an insane amount of advantage in Frogs through its tokens. Tribute it for Substitoad for two Tokens, turning one Special Summon into three. What more can you say? Run one (Limited).
- Treeborn Frog: A free Special Summon from the Grave, as long as you don't have any Spells or Traps (which will happen often with this S/T-hating format). Substitoad turns him into a more useful Frog after that. Run one (Limited).
- One for One: Searches Substitoad and Special Summons it without wasting a Normal Summon. You have so many ways to mitigate the -1-ness of One for One (Dandylion, Treeborn Frog, Pot of Avarice, Scapegoat, etc) that the fact that you lose advantage by playing this card shouldn't affect you at all, and since Substitoad is the backbone of this deck, you could definitely stand to use a card that basically acts as a fourth Substitoad. Run one (Limited; getting sick of me saying that yet?).
- Heavy Storm: S/T hate. You only have three Spell/Trap cards that that remain on the field after activation (2 Wetlands and 1 Level Limit - Area B), and this card can effectively say "NO!" to that set Mirror Force or Torrential Tribute when you want to clear the field and swing for the fences. Run one (Limited; there it is again!).
- Terraforming: Essentially a third Wetlands for the purposes of draw odds, with the added bonus of thinning the deck out by one when you play it. Run one (because two leads to too many dead draws).

And four out of the following cards:
- Call of the Haunted/Limit Reverse: Monster recursion. Substitoad turns these monsters into whatever you choose; Dandylion, Dupe Frog and Sangan turn these cards into +1/+2s when chained to destruction; Dandylion can spam a ridiculous amount of tokens; and Flip Flop Frog can flip itself into face-down Defense Position to prevent it from being linked to one of these Traps for long. Run two (one of each; Call of the Haunted is Limited, so Limit Reverse is your second Call of the Haunted).
- Bottomless Trap Hole: Eats big threats like candy. Run two (Semi-Limited; hey, at least it's not Limited).
- Divine Wrath: Eats big threats like candy... Without letting them activate their effects. The discard can easily be mitigated by any of the cards that mitigate the cost of One-For-One, or by letting your opponent pay their card's activation costs first (I imagine letting your opponent waste their hand when they call priority on Brio, only to have it negated for only two cards, must feel really, really good). Run two (Semi-Limited; this starts to get annoying after awhile, too).
- Junk Synchron/Debris Dragon: More recursion abuse. Junk Synchron can grab almost anything in the Graveyard (exceptions being Sangan and Dandylion) and make big monsters for relatively little cost (it's not uncommon for you to make Junk Warrior, Catastor, Brionac or Goyo Guardian with only one card out of hand by combining Treeborn Frog's natural recursion with Junk Synchron's Special Summon of a level 2 from the Graveyard). Junk Warrior, its exclusive "Warrior" Synchro, can get massive with Wetlands out on a full enough field. Not a reliable strategy, but still. Debris Dragon can also grab almost anything in the Graveyard (exceptions being Sangan and Ogre Frog), and can abuse the living snot out of Dandylion. The Synchro options you have are limited, but the notable ones of those that you can make include Black Rose Dragon (which has two effects you can use thanks to Dandylion) and Stardust Dragon. Run two to three (in any combination).
- Giant Trunade: More of the same with Heavy Storm. Run one (Limited; THERE IT IS AGAIN!).
- Solidarity: Straight up beatstick looooove. Run two (but if you do, remove Dandylion and Sangan).

[DarthLuigi36]

Divine Wrath isn't semi limited...

[Lonely Tylenol]

Originally Posted by DarthLuigi36

Divine Wrath isn't semi limited...

Yeah, I caught that later in another post I made on another thread, but forgot I even said it here.

Meep.

[Ash the rifraff]

Someone ask for new name with frogs so let's go

solidarity frog : "Jack frog on the society"

Des frog OTK : "A leap frog from beyond"

Exodia frog : "Frog 's leg of the Forbidden"

Degenerate circuit Frog : "Gastric juice of the giant frog 's Stomach"

Burn frog : "Little froggy opposite fire" (sorry if this sound kinky i am out of name for this one)

[master_kamui]

Hi everyone.

This is my first post here, but I've been reading it for a lot of time to get some ideas. I started as a water deck player, but moved to frogs when they first came out. I'm a casual player but want to improve my game and play more competitively (using frogs of course).

I am currently using a Des Frog hybrid build, and want to make sure that something I'm doing is valid. I normal summon substitoad and special summon swap frog, dumping a tadpole. Then, tribute the swap frog for another swap frog dumping a second tadpole. Then tribute substitoad itself for des frog and return it to the hand with swap's effect. Can I use that second normal summon to tribute summon the des frog using swap frog and get two more right? Basically, ny question is if I can use the second normal summon to do a tribute summon?

I think it works, but I'm not really good with the rulings (reading this tread taught me a lot about the deck), so I thought I ask. Oh, english is not my native language (it's spanish) so please don't mind any spelling errors.

[Seven-Lost-Seasons]

I still think that Icelands (Frogs + Ice Barriers) would be a cool deck to run.

Also, yes Master Kamui, that "thing you do" is valid

[Inmato]

I just picked up 2 Grave of The Super Ancient Organism cards. Any tips/tricks on how to use it? I want to know what the most effective way to use it is, especially against lightsworn. If you don't activate it before Judgment comes out, it just calls priority and kills it anyway...

[avalon365]

Hello,guys...
I've been reading this thread for about 2 weeks,and decided to dust-off my old frog deck,just to see how it works with new cards....
After week of testing and trying every idea that i get,every improvement that i could think off,i came to this...
Deck is really good,suprises opponent,substi is AWESOME,wetlands too...but i was missing something...u know what is like with stuff when in need of quick recovery from brio,swarm of bx/zombie,after jd....that's what frogs are incapable of in my opinion...that and a something that could end the game quickly...
So i took my shoeboxes and start searching...
And guess what,i think i found it...
What you people think about chaos necromancer...??
To remind-
1 star fiend,dark,0/0
eff-this card gains 300 atk for each monster card in the graveyard
I mean,if there is a thing that frogs can do that is damn quickly loading of graveyard,in 1st turn you could even have 2-21 mon in grave...
So what answer could your opp had if after trunade/heavy/brd/anything,yot drop monster with possible 7000 atk at absolutely no cost...!he is even compatible with one for one...
If you run it you could even equip it with opti-camouflage armor,or mega boost it united we stand...imagine you have junk warrior standing aside this freak!
I didnt see a word about him in any frog forum,or anything,so i thought to make my first post here just for this guy...
Please,i would like to hear your opinion on this one..i tested it and went 24-8....I'm from croatia/europe so sorry if i'm writed something wrong...
Dont think im somekind of newbie trying to invent hot water or something,i play ygo for 6 years, but i really didnt found it anywhere else....

[Lonely Tylenol]

Originally Posted by master_kamui

I am currently using a Des Frog hybrid build, and want to make sure that something I'm doing is valid. I normal summon substitoad and special summon swap frog, dumping a tadpole. Then, tribute the swap frog for another swap frog dumping a second tadpole. Then tribute substitoad itself for des frog and return it to the hand with swap's effect. Can I use that second normal summon to tribute summon the des frog using swap frog and get two more right? Basically, ny question is if I can use the second normal summon to do a tribute summon?

That play is in fact legitimate; you can use your second Normal Summon to Tribute Summon Des Frog, since it's still a Normal Summon. (It's a great use of Swap Frog, too--three-card combo for three Des Frogs for a Croaking play.)

However, you don't need to get out two Swap Frogs. When you ditch one T.A.D.P.O.L.E. to Special Summon Swap Frog with its first effect, you can then use its second effect to dump another T.A.D.P.O.L.E. from the Deck to the Graveyard, so you never have to tribute one Swap Frog for another.

Originally Posted by Inmato

I just picked up 2 Grave of The Super Ancient Organism cards. Any tips/tricks on how to use it? I want to know what the most effective way to use it is, especially against lightsworn. If you don't activate it before Judgment comes out, it just calls priority and kills it anyway...

I usually keep it in hand until I'm sure it will survive long enough for it to serve its purpose (e.g. after my opponent Storms), then Set it and activate it the moment my opponent draws (to eliminate even the slightest possibility of an instant JD drop or something along those lines).

[Wanboar]

Originally Posted by Inmato

I just picked up 2 Grave of The Super Ancient Organism cards. Any tips/tricks on how to use it? I want to know what the most effective way to use it is, especially against lightsworn. If you don't activate it before Judgment comes out, it just calls priority and kills it anyway...

Play it as soon as there are 4 lightsworns in the grave or they summon a tuner. Then they will either be stuck with a weak monster they can't get rid of or have useless JD in their hand. That's when I play it against them. Also, watch out for lylas.

[Throckmorton]

Originally Posted by master_kamui

<snip>
I normal summon substitoad and special summon swap frog, dumping a tadpole. Then, tribute the swap frog for another swap frog dumping a second tadpole. Then tribute substitoad itself for des frog and return it to the hand with swap's effect. Can I use that second normal summon to tribute summon the des frog using swap frog and get two more right? Basically, ny question is if I can use the second normal summon to do a tribute summon?

I think it works, but I'm not really good with the rulings (reading this tread taught me a lot about the deck), so I thought I ask. Oh, english is not my native language (it's spanish) so please don't mind any spelling errors.

Yes Lily-Padawan, that is a legal play, and it totally rocks when your opponent is over-extended and you have a Des Croaking in hand.

[Aarikku]

Originally Posted by Throckmorton

Lily-Padawan

You sir, have succeeded.