super saiyan mystic gohan?

[MooooooCow]

Originally Posted by megamanX3

Again, no training for 17 years is evidence enough that he lost power. Not to mention how weak he was in GT compared to DBZ. So far, the only arguments you and Tien & these other crappy people have made are:

It's only evidence if you can prove that he should have lost power. Which you haven't done.

1. you say we have no evidence, yet we give plenty of it...as well as common sense

You keep saying so, yet post none. That's kind of a good strategy if you're trying to filibuster, but not if you're trying to debate.

2. we're using a plothole to prove its not a plothole...kinda hard to do that when it's easily not a plothole

You still can't use the fact that it exists to validate it.

Not to mention i already posted the definition of potential. Him realizing what he is capable of doing or become has nothing with him going SSJ. His power drops just like his martial arts form. Nobody but myself and apocolypse has given anything that makes sense or even has used support to back it up.

And Timsey soundly destroyed your argument using your definition of potential.

I've said it countless times in this topic, even if he lost all of his power in 17 years you still have to prove that he COULD use SSJ, not that he needs to, or wants to, or anything else.

Now for the last time, put up or shut up.

[Yūgi's Black Magician]

Just wanted to point out a little something: Pilaf and his men are gag villains. I seriously doubt they count as 'evil' (although it is doubtful Toriyama even thought of those three considering we hadn't seen them since the Daimaô arc).


But yeah, you can't apply logic to Dragon Ball. It's part gag comic, after all.

[apocalypse1280]

Finally, someone with a brain.

[Toji]

Originally Posted by apocalypse1280

Finally, someone with a brain.

Yes, i quite agree. Some one with WHO KNOWS WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT!

Instead of that "He got weaker" Tripe. This guy ACTUALLY makes an argument.

[apocalypse1280]

I made the exact same argument, lame brain. If you have nothing to say then why embarrass yourself? Of course, there's no way Gohan got weaker right?

[MooooooCow]

It's the only decent argument I've seen him make on this forum actually.

But almost every villain in dragonball up to piccolo (11 volumes) was in some way a gag villain. That didn't stop most of them from being evil.

[tienshinhan08]

Originally Posted by apocalypse1280

I made the exact same argument, lame brain. If you have nothing to say then why embarrass yourself? Of course, there's no way Gohan got weaker right?

Of course you still haven't proven that he could get weaker, and even if he did that he would need to go SSJ. That's because you can't prove it.

[MooooooCow]

He's also completely ignored the whole dead people dying plothole

Though I would too, because its directly stated that dead people can die.

[apocalypse1280]

Number 1. You are saying that Gohan can't get weaker, which happens to every other character in the entire series. Therefore you have to prove that he doesn't, not the other way around, and you can't. Mostly because I speak facts.

Number 2. This was already discussed. It was said early in DBZ by King Kai that Goku cannot die twice. Then it was changed at the end of DBZ, than changed again in GT, if anything correcting the latter. Get a clue.

[tienshinhan08]

We have said that it isn't proven that he can get weaker. Although even if he does get weaker, it doesn't mean he would be able to go SSJ again.

His mystic form allows him to access his full potential, and potential doesn't go down. Nowhere does it say that this would wear it off.

[megamanX3]

Originally Posted by MooooooCow

He's also completely ignored the whole dead people dying plothole

Though I would too, because its directly stated that dead people can die.

That would be a plothole. I'm currently watching all 9 seasons and am on season 2. While watching, i picked up on something King Kai said. No implication, no beating around the bush.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhDNs...eature=related
Start about 3:30, and it's completely relevant.

King Kai- "Hey, don't worry. You're forgetting, you're already dead. You can't die a second time you know."

I remember later in the series that someone said if you die again, you lose your body forever and not even the dragon balls can wish the person back to life. So the dying able to die is a plothole since in season 2 it directly states the dead cant die.

[MooooooCow]

I think you posted it before. Though I have no idea if its in the manga or not. I don't have volumes 17-20.

[megamanX3]

Anyway, the whole dying dead thing is a big plothole since the series has one episode that says the dead cant die again and another says u can.

[MooooooCow]

Like I said the whole concept of hell in the anime is one big plot hole anyway.

So this is just a plot hole to another plot hole.

[apocalypse1280]

Originally Posted by megamanX3

Anyway, the whole dying dead thing is a big plothole since the series has one episode that says the dead cant die again and another says u can.

When they're wrong all you'll hear is "I don't know if it's in the manga", lol. Moomoo is in denial, again.