[WildAce]

Originally Posted by Dakota123

what i'm trying to mean by annoyer is that i'm constantly draining their life with leech seed while using recover to keep it on the battlefeild

The catch is (to re-itterate Mekkah) is that the game is too offensively based now for an "annoyer" tactic to work anymore.

Fine, you Leech Seed, but they hit you with an attack that has the potential to 2HKO you....your strategy just got hosed.

That's why I liked the CM BP thing.
Set up a bit, get insight to your opponent's tactic, and use prediction to pass to a good counter for the situation.

Additional Comment:

I'd like to bring something "fairly" new (in the sense that it hasn't been discussed in quite a while) to the fray: Donphan

Donphan @ Leftovers
Ability: Sturdy
Nature: Impish
Evs: 252 HP / 252 DEF / 4 ATK
- Knock Off
- Rapid Spin / Ice Shard
- Stealth Rock / Ice Shard
- Earthquake

Basically: WALL.
He's not essentially meant to score damage (per se), but rather to wall and go with indirect damage / support damage.

Knock Off + Stealth Rock is just a fun little thing to do...and he does it quite well.
What I'm thinking for the 2 moves with options is:
If I already have a SRocker, then drop it for Ice Shard (keeping RSpin).

If in the event I do not have a SRocker, then drop Ice Shard for IT.
I feel Rapid Spin is pretty necessary on it (as I'm sure MOST will agree), but with only 1 attack (EQ), is it really worth it?