Hottest Empty Jar Return

[PhailSoBaller]

Monsters 8:
3x Tour Guide From the Underworld
3x A/D Changer
1x Sangan
1x Morphing Jar

Spells 32:
3x Dark World Dealings
3x Into The Void
3x Upstart Goblin
3x Momentary Truce
3x Hand Destruction
3x Book of Eclipse
3x Book of Taiyou
2x Magical Stone Excavation
2x A Feather of the Phoenix
2x Magical Mallet
1x Pot of Duality
1x Book of Moon
1x Heavy Storm
1x Card Destruction
1x Serial Spell

Extra is Leviair and levithan, the others dont really matter.
Still working on a side deck, so hard with empty jar.

What I do in my free time, Discuss.

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bumpbumpbump

[gatx252]

Your math is off, you only have 29 spells.

[PhailSoBaller]

Sorry about that added what i missed

[momoRX]

no Needle Worm?

[PhailSoBaller]

no need Serial Spell Card Destruction for game is all you need. then you dont need to waste space on shallow grave either and you can add more draw power.

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bumpubumpbump

[3T3RN1TY]

this looks crazy consistant, nice. Tour Guide helps this deck sooo much, never thought of using it to get jar that quickley.

[PhailSoBaller]

Why thank you. its very consistent now, just have to make sure you always have a moon or eclipse in hand for them damn veilers.

[3T3RN1TY]

Yeah veilers must screw with this deck a lot. Sucks that there going to be many around this format. But yeah, tour guide makes this deck so awesome. good job, glad im seeing some originality on pojo for once, lol

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im curious how expensive momentary truce is going to be in photon shockwave. konami with probly rarity bump it.

[PhailSoBaller]

I think it'll be a super. Card just looks like it should be a super.

[3T3RN1TY]

True, i would not mind though if it was rare. the last good rare we had was formula.

[PhailSoBaller]

whatever it is i know it wont be highly sought after so it wont be a problem getting it

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Bump and stuff

[Ian Van Cheese]

Ahhhh our master returns to us, the only man around here who knows the jar better than me lol.

No Foolish for A/D Changer?

[PhailSoBaller]

Hmmm i didnt even realize that it wasnt really in this build. Haven't missed it very much still but maybe ill find room for it again. it is a good opening but idk. you get A/D Changer in the grave pretty fast with all the extra draw cards idk if its still necessary. Maybe ill try and find room for it.

[TehMoistDonut]

sorry but im new to how tour guide seems to work. especially for an empty jar deck. I run one as well. What are you gonna do with tour guide??? bring out Sangan?? not like it matters if its effect would be negated so you wouldnt get a Morphing Jar to your hand anyways.

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sorry i forgot sangans effect doesnt resolve until it hits the graveyard, so its effect still gets through. lol

[PhailSoBaller]

yeah with leviathan

[Ian Van Cheese]

I'd drop one of the Into the Voids for a foolish, other than that its solid

[PhailSoBaller]

maybe, i would drop a Hand Destruction before that though prolly

[TehMoistDonut]

ahh i didnt know what leviathin did until now lol
XD
very nice combo.
Summon Tour Guide, special Sangan, summon Levi, tribute Sangan to get its effect, and get Morphing Jar to your hand.

I just dont like not being able to summon it after that.
giving your opponent time to set up backrow on their turn, etc. I dont like giving them a turn lol it can be costly.

Also what does Momentary Truce do??
and why dont you run Shallow Grave? or have u not had a reason for your jar to somehow end up in the grave

[PhailSoBaller]

with how fast you get jar to hand and the lack of Needle Worm and i find i dont really need shallow grave and i can fill the spot with something else like a draw card to get to my combo piece.

Also
http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Momentary_Truce

And imo giving them a turn to set isnt that big of a deal. the format will naturally have less back rows so im not worried about that and really what back there is going to threaten me from setting a monster and activating a spell. Solemn Judgment and thats it really. i guess they could compulse but i dont see that as very viable either.

[TehMoistDonut]

ah ok very nice, id have to add it to my deck once its released. tour guides seem to be the thing thats going to be hard to get -.- very hard.

I dont have a Duality lol so i sub with a shallow grave just in case. but i run needle worms since its so difficult to find anyone that has Dark World Dealings or Into The Void. You run 2 Feathers and 3 Upstarts, im guessing the 3rd is for just draw power then?

only problem i ever find with running empty jar, is the damn effect veilers. unless i got the moon or eclipse in my hand. Id end up needing another Tayiou or hopefully have A/D Changer in the grave by then

[99939993]

subbing.....

[PhailSoBaller]

the thing with all the draw cards and feather/stone is you should always have a eclipse/moon to chain to veiler if the deck plays it. just gotta play around it. Subbing is for cool kids.

[TehMoistDonut]

the thing with all the draw cards and feather/stone is you should always have a eclipse/moon to chain to veiler if the deck plays it. just gotta play around it. Subbing is for cool kids.

ya i noticed all that draw power helps against the Veilers. Id try this deck out, but im missing the Dark World Dealings, and Into the Voids, and the momentary truce ofcourse. but other than that, Great deck!

[Stratus G.]

Summon Tour Guide, special Sangan, summon Levi, tribute Sangan to get its effect, and get Morphing Jar to your hand.

How are players forgetting the ruling on Sangan and Exceeds?
Sangan sent to the grave as an exceed material doesn't get its effect due to not being considered "On the field".
Unless they changed that..Did they?

Q: If a Sangan was used as an Exceed material, when it goes to grave, do you get the search effect?
A: When the Sangan becomes an Exceed material, it is no longer treated to be 'on the field', therefore you will not be able to search as it did not enter grave from field. (The same would apply to cards like DD Survivor, etc)

[footfoe]

don't like Into The Void in here at all.

[TehMoistDonut]

can i get a link?

[Stratus G.]

You could easily use google and find the exact same ruling everywhere else.
This has been around for the longest time now.. And for some odd reason, some people otherwise.
http://yugiohcastellano.foroactivo.com/t4062-exceed-summoning-rulings

[thewisewon]

this needs alot of fixes, i run a solid version of this deck (wins 90% of the time)

heres my decklist in my signiture

[PhailSoBaller]

How are players forgetting the ruling on Sangan and Exceeds?
Sangan sent to the grave as an exceed material doesn't get its effect due to not being considered "On the field".
Unless they changed that..Did they?

Q: If a Sangan was used as an Exceed material, when it goes to grave, do you get the search effect?
A: When the Sangan becomes an Exceed material, it is no longer treated to be 'on the field', therefore you will not be able to search as it did not enter grave from field. (The same would apply to cards like DD Survivor, etc)


Tcg rulings do not = ocg rulings. Sadly floaters get their effects still, Sangan tengu goblin zombie

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And why would you still play divers? lol tour guide ****s on diver in every way. You dont have to waste your draw to get Morphing Jar and you get a free 2500 beater they have to get around to otk you before you empty jar them? if your deck has a 90% win rate you play strictly scrubs.

[TehMoistDonut]

http://dudley.createforumhosting.com/viewtopic.php?p=60261

Actually phail he is right. Kevin said the TCG rulings will be that Sangan does get its effect. but worlds says otherwise and is following the OCG tulings on this situation. Sangan wont be getting its effect due to not being on the field and then sent to the grave, but only being sent to the grave, so its effect doesnt activate.

[PhailSoBaller]

that was worlds. current tcg rulings state otherwise

[TehMoistDonut]

thats true. TCG and Worlds are different...gahhh..they need to unite under one banner, this is ridiculous. TCG, Worlds, and OCG.

[PhailSoBaller]

I agree. the fact that they even made this difference is so dumb. it seemed like they wanted to unify with how fast they are cranking out product and stuff like that but then they dont give us the priority ruling drop and they change this. its nutty

[TehMoistDonut]

ya very nutty. so im guessing it wasnt easy getting the tour guides?

[PhailSoBaller]

I got them at nats, one for 60 trade, two for 70. in the long run it was awesome, i had to trade up all day since my binder isnt that great but it was sooooooo worth it

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Its good as ****.

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Im bumping this cuz it needs to happen

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bump bump bump

[ChubbiBuddha]

sooooooooo now that the ruling has officially made to Sangan doesnt get effect, what are you going to do w/o sarc :OOO btw how would you use Serial Spell? and is 1 duality good?

[ChaosNagato]

Subbing for awesomeness

[Jiggla]

subbing for idk i