God Like Team From Good OL Goku"

[Goku4rpg]

Sup everyone. I would like to show you what 2yrs of training and refining a team to perfection looks like.

Jolteon~Petaya Berry
Nature - Timid
Substitute
Hp Grass
Thunderbolt
Baton Pass
(252'spd) (252'sp.atk) (6'sp.def)
Teh most 1337 starter IMO

Gyarados~Leftovers
Nature - Jolly
Substitute
Hp Flying
Dragon Dance
Earthquake
(252'atk) (177'spd) (81'sp.def)
My favorite ddancer and favorite pogey :D

Snorlax~Leftovers
Nature - Adamant
Body Slam
Shadow Ball
Rest
Sleep Talk
(252'hp) (252'sp.def) (6'atk)
So many sets yet I find this one the best/not so cheap like curse lax

Donphan~Leftovers
Nature - Impish
Earthquake
Rock Slide
Rapid Spin
Roar
(252'hp) (252'def) (6'atk)
My favorite tank

Gengar~Choice Band
Nature - Naive
Sludge Bomb
Thunderbolt
Hp Ice
Explosion
(252'spd) (252'atk) (6'sp.atk)
Now as odd as it looks, its very effective.

Heracross~Salac Berry
Nature - Jolly
Megahorn
Reversal
Substitute
Swords Dance
(252'spd) (252'atk) (6'sp.def)
Though QA/MP/SS screw him over, its still effective overall.

Sup/RaterZ

[Kuiper]

Lefties on gyra? Haven't seen that before...

Meh, sleep talk sorta lost its usefulness in 386 because it can't pull rest.

Donphan is Rawr.

0.o Gengar looks a lil' odd, but if it works... Shadow ball's good for all the psychic's wanting to exploit gengar's poison type.

Yeah, Hera's always been good.


Nice. Neither skarm nor bliss is good. =p Watch for CM gerbils.

[Goku4rpg]

Gengar pwns skarm/bliss.
Lefties on gyara own. Sexy hp/subbing = ownage. Many times his sub doesn't break so its useful.
Sleep/Lax is something im testing for the moment

[PhazonElite]

208 HP on Lax. Sub-Punch Lax is a cool alternative too.

Shadow Ball over Sludge Bomb on Gengar, but I see your reasoning behind Bomb.

[Goku4rpg]

208 HP on Lax. Sub-Punch Lax is a cool alternative too.

Shadow Ball over Sludge Bomb on Gengar, but I see your reasoning behind Bomb.

Sub lax is good, but i dont wanna risk my sp.def sponge. Maxing his hp is a must to remain a tank.

Sludge bomb has more power, though shadow ball is super effective on a psychic type it still does a lot of damage plus a 30% chance of poison. Sludge bomb has finish off more foes then shadow ball due to the poison effect and adding a little extra damage.

[Houndooms Revenge]

See what I mean about Substitute Fallen Ronin? Three of his pokemon already have it and people are already suggesting it for Snorlax and Gengar has a cheap set involving it too. :(

Heracross, Jolteon, and Gyarados (even though Gyarados doesn't have an attack/speed enhancing berry) are all cheap but you don't want to be cheap on Snorlax? Why not go all out on both him and Gengar?

I like the Donphan but all the other pokemon are way OU and I am starting to hate substitute for its draining effect on strategy in Pokemon.

Please don't let this become a flame war, it is just my opinion.

PS I am not pissed off even if I sound like it. :D

[Goku4rpg]

See what I mean about Substitute Fallen Ronin? Three of his pokemon already have it and people are already suggesting it for Snorlax and Gengar has a cheap set involving it too.

Im not gonna sit their and let some trainer inflict me with a status/leech on any of my pogeys.

Heracross, Jolteon, and Gyarados (even though Gyarados doesn't have an attack/speed enhancing berry) are all cheap but you don't want to be cheap on Snorlax? Why not go all out on both him and Gengar?

Ok, if sub/enhancing berry is a problem for you just use QA/MP/ROAR/HAZE.

I like the Donphan but all the other pokemon are way OU and I am starting to hate substitute for its draining effect on strategy in Pokemon.

That's your problem. Just because your team can't handle it doesn't mean its cheap.

Please don't let this become a flame war, it is just my opinion. PS I am not pissed off even if I sound like it. :D
Substitute may give some users an advantage, but not all. For instance, QC rhydon with rock blast can easily kill gyarados. Roar just screws ninjask/wak combo, and sub/salac gets pwn by Extremespd/Quick Attack/Mach Punch/Sand Stream/Quick Claw Hax

[xxbattosaixx]

I wouldn't mess with Sir HR.He has 10 times as much experience as you,IMHO.I know I wouldn't win against you or most people,but i'm gonna stand up for him,knowing how good he is.

[Gamefreak]

See what I mean about Substitute Fallen Ronin? Three of his pokemon already have it and people are already suggesting it for Snorlax and Gengar has a cheap set involving it too. :(

Heracross, Jolteon, and Gyarados (even though Gyarados doesn't have an attack/speed enhancing berry) are all cheap but you don't want to be cheap on Snorlax? Why not go all out on both him and Gengar?

I like the Donphan but all the other pokemon are way OU and I am starting to hate substitute for its draining effect on strategy in Pokemon.

Please don't let this become a flame war, it is just my opinion.

PS I am not pissed off even if I sound like it. :D


HR....you said you left forever...welcome back..but i must say, goku and i have far surpassed your skill level

nice team somewhat, you need to work on your evs to an extreme extent, and your tanks always need rest, such as donphan

[Goku4rpg]

I wouldn't mess with Sir HR.He has 10 times as much experience as you,IMHO.I know I wouldn't win against you or most people,but i'm gonna stand up for him,knowing how good he is.
LMAO, what a suck up. Let me let you in on something. HR/GF/Goku started training at the sametime, at one point HR was the superior while we were the back bone so to say. As times past, we surpass him and now more then ever surpass just about each user. So, dont come stating who's better then who if you dont even have your facts straight.

[Cromat]

Sup everyone. I would like to show you what 2yrs of training and refining a team to perfection looks like.

Jolteon~Petaya Berry
Nature - Timid
Substitute
Hp Grass
Thunderbolt
Baton Pass
(252'spd) (252'sp.atk) (6'sp.def)
Teh most 1337 starter IMO

Standard. And Aerodactyl is better :P

Gyarados~Leftovers
Nature - Jolly
Substitute
Hp Flying
Dragon Dance
Earthquake
(252'atk) (177'spd) (81'sp.def)
My favorite ddancer and favorite pogey :D

Fine. Consider Lum Berry and watch out for Skarm

Snorlax~Leftovers
Nature - Adamant
Body Slam
Shadow Ball
Rest
Sleep Talk
(252'hp) (252'sp.def) (6'atk)
So many sets yet I find this one the best/not so cheap like curse lax

Curselax isn't cheap. Sleep Talk as said before is bad in RS. If you don't want to use Curselax then use the Subpunch set. I personally use Return/Curse/Fire Blast/Rest@Leftovers with my own EV set.

Donphan~Leftovers
Nature - Impish
Earthquake
Rock Slide
Rapid Spin
Roar
(252'hp) (252'def) (6'atk)
My favorite tank

Fine.

Gengar~Choice Band
Nature - Naive
Sludge Bomb
Thunderbolt
Hp Ice
Explosion
(252'spd) (252'atk) (6'sp.atk)
Now as odd as it looks, its very effective.

I doubt it's effective with 60 base attack. The Subpunching set is the best probably.

Heracross~Salac Berry
Nature - Jolly
Megahorn
Reversal
Substitute
Swords Dance
(252'spd) (252'atk) (6'sp.def)
Though QA/MP/SS screw him over, its still effective overall.

Yeah fine

Sup/RaterZ

Btw the one who said pinchberries and subs are cheap, you're wrong. Listen to me, and listen carefully. The only things that are ok to ban are Ubers, OHKOs and DT. Sleep Clause should also be applied because otherwise the game would be all about Agility/Spore Smeargle. Ubers have superior stats so they ruin the game's already bad balance. OHKO and DT have no skill involved and make the game more based on luck and therefore are cheap. Anything else, Subs/Blissey/Skarmory/Leech Seed/Curselax are NOT cheap, just effective. They all have pretty simple counters and should'nt be banned or looked down on. I'm done.

[Gamefreak]

Btw the one who said pinchberries and subs are cheap, you're wrong. Listen to me, and listen carefully. The only things that are ok to ban are Ubers, OHKOs and DT. Sleep Clause should also be applied because otherwise the game would be all about Agility/Spore Smeargle. Ubers have superior stats so they ruin the game's already bad balance. OHKO and DT have no skill involved and make the game more based on luck and therefore are cheap. Anything else, Subs/Blissey/Skarmory/Leech Seed/Curselax are NOT cheap, just effective. They all have pretty simple counters and should'nt be banned or looked down on. I'm done.


this man speaks the truth

[shineyaltaria]

When I first came to the board, it was Sir HR who taught me most of what I learned. Gamefreak also taught me a lot about movesets (but I still suck at it lol). So I'm just happy they were both around to show new people like me the ropes. Who's 'better' at any given time isn't as important to me as the fact that they both try to help others be better players. I'm glad they both still stop by to put in two cents. I for one still have a lot to learn from each of them.

Goku; I would offer some suggestions to you since this is your thread after all but as I have posted before, I not only suck at movesets, I also suck at rates, which is why I generally avoid doing them. I hope you don't mind me wanting to put in my two cents anyway.

[Houndooms Revenge]

Didn't I ask nicely not to let this turn into a flamewar?

Anyway the reason I don't like it is because it is used by nearly everyone, there is no variety anymore (at least not as much). It is all based around whether you are using an anti-sub team or a sub team. Boring repetition.

Lets not get into who is better. I didn't say I was better than and you shouldn't say you are better than me because we have no way of proving otherwise. Just because I haven't been here for awhile doesn't mean I don't play the games and come up with strategies sometimes.

The team I am currently building is based on switch patterns and employs whirlwind/roar to some degree. I didn't say I couldn't beat a sub team sense it is obviously possible or everyone would play them and there would be no losers.

Can we discuss this aspect like mature people or do we have to keep acting like children?

[Goku4rpg]

I appreciate everyone's response, and want to thank you all. Lax set is for testing. Until I see something effective i'll change my set, but for now i'll stick with sleep talk set. Gengar works just fine. Choice band makes his attack around 349 which is pretty sexy if u ask me.

[Kuiper]

Houndoom, Sub is not useful usually unless they switch the turn you set it up. It helps discourage switching, and nobody likes SkarmBliss and constant wall switching. I'll take heavy sub use over skarmbliss any day, thank you very much.

[Gamefreak]

HR, I wasn't making a flamewar, I was welcoming you back, I was just making a point that goku and I have gotten much better than we were...although he has to learn some things on evs. And I'm sick of people looking to you as a god and not giving anyone else any attention.

[Houndooms Revenge]

LOL a god. People don't look at me like that. :p

I guess cheap isn't the right word. Stiffling Overuse to the point of little variation is better.

People are neither superior or inferior and should never be viewed that way. This includes thinking of yourself as either superior or inferior.

I figured you would get better, everyone gets better with time and practice. I just figured you would be modest about it as well. ;)