The Official Transformers Live Action Film Thread

[dabom88]

http://www.superherohype.com/news.php?id=2174

Meh, John Rogers, writer of Catwoman, is writing it. And Megatron doesn't turn into a gun. And no Soundwave. And no Dinobots.

Just 7 decepticons vs. 7 autobots.

Oh well, i guess we can still hope for the best.

[Ace of Spades]

Yeah, I knew we wouldn't get a gun Megatron or the Dinobots, but where'd you hear about there ebing no Soundwave? I'm looking forward to this movie, even if it doesn't have all the best characters. It has to be made to please Hollywood unfortunately, not the fans. Though they're definetly trying.

[Homer of Chaos]

Sweet another movie, hopefully theres random swearing in this one to :D

...Megatron is probably to busy gettin to run for the republicans in 08

[akiragale_532]

It's going to be good but what I want to see is Fatal Frame *preys they don't screw it up*

[WildWill]

Dude, SERIOUSLY old news:

http://www.pojo.biz/board/showthread.php?p=7923&highlight=transformers#post7923

[Slavik81]

Meh, John Rogers, writer of Catwoman, is writing it. And Megatron doesn't turn into a gun. And no Soundwave. And no Dinobots.

And this MUST be good, because Catwoman was just amazing!

[PhoenixMagnion]

Link (http://aolsvc.news.aol.com/special3/article.adp?id=20050406021609990007)

Thought that I'd post it here, seeing as how I just went through 10 pages of the past threads and couldn't find anything on it.

Any thoughts on it?

[Applepants1963]

As long as Halle Berry's not in it, and Optimus Prime doesn't die, I'm all for it.

[ultima kamehameha]

yep, the moment transformer fans been waiting for a transformer movie.
http://rangerboard.com/showthread.php?t=88369
looks interesting. also they are rereleasing the G1 movie for the 20th anniversity special.
http://superherohype.com/news.php?id=4321
let's rejoice, or gather torches and pitchforks. let's here some opinions.

[Bonik]

I hate action movies. Bay doesn't impress me. All accounts seem to indicate that many of the transformations will not appease purists like myself.

All that being said, I can't wait for this movie. It's Transformers!

I'm also excited about the original movie being redone. After countless viewings, my VHS copy seems to have disappeared. Objectively, that movie stinks too. I still don't care.

The original series stinks too objectively. I still have it on DVD. I grew up with this stuff. Nostalgia has a strong hold on me.

[WildWill]

Since they are actually filming, official thread.

All I can say is...the changes won't make old fans happy. I really want to see some special effects before I make my decision.

And BERNIE MAC? Why do we need comic relief anyway?

[msradditz2005]

I'am looking foward to the Transformers movie myself and I
hope it will be worth the money. To make it better they should add special
effects(CGI) to the movie. If not, it will probably be nothing to even see.
But only time will tell once the movie is out.:o

[ultima kamehameha]

well of course a lot of the stuff will be cgi(the transformers perhaps)also here's a teaser poster.
http://www.aintitcoolnews.com/display.cgi?id=23545looks cool.

[superman]

Hey one of my friends found this dont know where did it came from but looks real.

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a28/robvandam111/bumblebee6kq.jpg

[Exiled]

I will be watching this movie. It's gonna be sad since the Writer of Catwoman (One of the Worst Movies Evar) is going to be writing the script. As long as the special effects are good enough, I'll be happy

Who is Bernie Mac Playing? StarScream?

[Busterslash35]

It seems to be real.

http://kino-express.ru/stills/transformers

There's a link I got off of IMDB of some set pics.

www.transformersmovie.com has a teaser up to watch also.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v40/Busterslash35/TFM01.png
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v40/Busterslash35/TFM02.png
^Some screens I pulled of the transformer silhouette.

[superman]

It seems to be real.

http://kino-express.ru/stills/transformers



That pic is the same one I have up there, but bigger , but that where they leaked the info right?

Im watching the trailer right now and its not even half way yet.




Just now I just finish watching it, what are they doing in mars?

[Busterslash35]

You know there were more pictures in that link, not just the one you posted...

Dunno what they're doin' on Mars, but it better be explained in the movie.

[superman]

Dont they crash always on Earth ..lol

I predict the septacons are somewhere already in Earth , there planning something big, While the good guys on Mars detect something from. then comes optimus to the rescue , what were the team of good robots name? septacons whatelse?

[Busterslash35]

I think that the Decepticons are the ones on Mars... otherwise it wouldn't've been our "first warning". I doubt the Autobots would want to do anything harmful to the planet. Then again, warning doesn't necessarily mean bad...

And yeah, the movie storyline is obviously a new storyline not based on any existing ones.

Additional Comment:
Pictures of various transformers...:
http://www.filmwad.com/transformers-365-p.html

Optimus Prime and Megatron, oh my... =x

Oh my...

[Exiled]

Yeah, the teaser was pretty lame. Never thought Cybertron would be in Mars lol

Just j/k but we should've at least gotten a better detail

[Busterslash35]

Cybertron ISN'T in Mars.

According to Wikipedia, the scenes in the teaser have been confirmed to not even be in the movie.

If you want detail, look at the link I _just_ posted like, an hour ago. Pictures (maybe not final) of Optimus and Megatron and more.

[Exiled]

Cybertron ISN'T in Mars.

According to Wikipedia, the scenes in the teaser have been confirmed to not even be in the movie.

If you want detail, look at the link I _just_ posted like, an hour ago. Pictures (maybe not final) of Optimus and Megatron and more.
I know, I said i was joking. I ain't that dumb

The pictures look good but I could say they were doctored to fit the image of the movie. It would look better to see it from the trailer perspective

[orange peel]

When I saw the trailer when I was watching Pirates 2 in Theaters, some people laughed when they found out it was Transformers.

[ultima kamehameha]

http://img169.imageshack.us/my.php?image=autobotspike001tx4kw1.jpg
heres another pic of the transformers in a city. also the big bulky transformer is starscream.

[Exiled]

http://img169.imageshack.us/my.php?image=autobotspike001tx4kw1.jpg
heres another pic of the transformers in a city. also the big bulky transformer is starscream.
Nice Dolls. I can see the cut-outs :p

[Busterslash35]

It's a concept design...

And there's no way you can doctor those images. As far as everyone else is concerned, they're real.

[`Phenom]

WHA....Anthony Anderson is starring in this? Why?

[Exiled]

WHA....Anthony Anderson is starring in this? Why?
Because Robots in Disguise need their comedy outings too ^_^

[WildWill]

New images of Optimus Prime and Starscream

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=zh-CN&u=http://www.actoys.net/bbs/read.php%3Ftid%3D138274%26fpage%3D%26toread%3D%26p age%3D1&sa=X&oi=translate&resnum=1&ct=result&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dhttp://www.actoys.net/bbs/%26hl%3Den%26hs%3DmMn%26lr%3D%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26sa%3DG

Plus HILARIOUS translations by Google.

I believe these are their Cybertron modes, that each character may have two different vehicle modes.

[Vampman]

I believe these are their Cybertron modes, that each character may have two different vehicle modes.

I agree. If they wanted to hide on earth they'd need something a bit less obvious.

[Busterslash35]

They'd have a Cybertronian vehicle/robot mode and then an Earth vehicle/robot mode, wouldn't they?

[Otaku]

Depends upon how much they want to invest in toys and character models. In the original G1 cartoon (which has its flaws, but is still better than a lot of stuff they show now-I too have the whole G1 series and the movie on DVD) most of the characters were given either identical or near identical Cybertronian robot modes for the obvious reason of simplicity: this made things easier for the artists (who later would sometimes forget Cybertronian alt modes in flashbacks) and for younger kids to follow. Additionally, the cartoon actually had quite a bit of "fudging", so it wasn't as much of a stretch as it could be.

Now, one would hope that the movie models of the characters would reflect the toys fairly well, so this leaves a few options.

1) There will just be Earth-form toys and the info was totally wrong
2) There the Cybertronian modes were deisgned so that the other two modes were "dominant"... e.g. the Cybertronian "alien" alt modes are composed of bits of the robot and earth vehicle modes, which also allows robot modes to be near identical regardless of Earth or Cybertronian forms.
3) There will be two sets of figures if sales go well... the Cybertronian modes are just have a few bits with different sculpts and paint applications, so the majority of the figure is the same (something they do with most lines and groups of similar looking characters, like Optimus Prime/Nemisis Prime).
4) Something I didn't think of. ;)

[WildWill]

First pic of Scorponok

http://www.comics2film.com/FanFrame.php?f_id=23330

Meh

[FURIA328]

Nice Dolls. I can see the cut-outs :p

I think I recognize Shockwave on the bottom right next to that black car. No soundwave? Well that sucks seeing as he's my all time favorite transformer. LOL @ Anthony Anderson and Bernie mac being in this movie.


Also would it be safe to assume that maybe the pics of that yellow bot on the first page of this thread is Bumblebee perhaps?

[Exiled]

First pic of Scorponok

http://www.comics2film.com/FanFrame.php?f_id=23330

Meh
That is ugly. I'll wait till the trailers come out to make further judgment

[Charninja]

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/32023

Warning: Nerdgasm-induced course language within.

[Busterslash35]

Are you serious? Hugo Weaving?
FTW.
Well, I'm sold.

(by the way, he also voiced V in V for Vendetta)

[Stuntman Mike]

I just hope the story is enternaining .

[Busterslash35]

If anyone hasn't seen the trailer by now, you can view it at www.myspace.com/transformers

[Dr. Blaine]

So, long time, nothing new to say? Well I've got something.

Michael Bay is thinking they should open the movie a day early. (http://michaelbay.com/blog/files/021f924f9ff0126591c3f6144456d4df-82.html) July 3rd instead of July 4th.

Personally, I see no reason why they shouldn't. Let's get those robots out early!

[Busterslash35]

The latest trailer was @_@.

Go July 3rd! (:

[Exiled]

I've seen the latest trailer

I don't think I can get used to this

[Busterslash35]

There was a commercial I saw for the first time today, and it was less than impressive. /:

I think they really did show too much of the movie trying to hype it. Ugh.

[Exiled]

After finding out that Steven Spielberg is producing this, i think this movie will look cool

I saw some previews on MTV and it actually looks awesome. Leave it to Michael Bay to make a Geek Dream into something big

[King Atlantis]

all i have to say is- even if the movie's story is crap, its gong to be the BEST LOOKING giant robot movie EVER made...

seriously- untill a good gundam/NGEvangelion movie comes out, this will be the best. and from the commercials, the robots are frikking sweet looking.

and..SWEET- i get to go see it july 4th :D

[strike42]

the Release has changed to july 3. i just saw it on the ad for it.

http://movies.msn.com/movies/movie.aspx?m=583042&mp=m

which i guess isn't a bad thing that it's not on the 4th any more. now i can blow more things up:D

[King Atlantis]

...ill go on july 4th- less people.

[Busterslash35]

the Release has changed to july 3. i just saw it on the ad for it.

http://movies.msn.com/movies/movie.aspx?m=583042&mp=m

which i guess isn't a bad thing that it's not on the 4th any more. now i can blow more things up:D

They already said that a few months ago, sorry, but thanks anyway. (:

[Johnny Five]

Looks great, can't wait.

[Vampman]

Its out in Australia and its bloody awesome

[King Atlantis]

WHA!?!??!
ive not heard of this...your bluffing



:o

[ultima kamehameha]

The movie premiered early in most countries, so others got to see it a lot earlier. I still can't wait til Tuesday to see it.

[The Punisher]

According to Fark.com, it fails to suck. Can any fellow Pojoer vouch to the veracity of this statement?

[Busterslash35]

Well, the story is already known, and I don't find it that great.
The dialogue based on the trailers doesn't sound bad, but nothing special.
The CGI is obviously off the wall amazing awesomesauce.

Overall it seems like it'll be a mediocre movie.

[Vampman]

WHA!?!??!
ive not heard of this...your bluffing

Nah It came out in Australia on Thursday 28th of June

[WildWill]

MovED back to the RTC so I could stave off dupe topics

[King Atlantis]

The movie premiered early in most countries, so others got to see it a lot earlier. I still can't wait til Tuesday to see it.
no wha.

well, its out today *goes and checks reviews*

bleh, even if the story/dialouge/acting sucks, the robots will make it all worth it. either way, its transformers!

[Yata-lock Yo Azz]

I saw it last night....I have been disappointed by EVERY movie so far this year, and let me tell you...Transformers is the first exception. I wasnt even a huge transformers fan, and I thought this was one of the best movies I have ever seen. I have 19 friends that also saw this movie (kids, adults, guys, girls), and every single one has said the same thing

[King Atlantis]

sweet...itll be AWSOME for me, being the transformers fan i am :D

[Busterslash35]

Light spoilers. And this is going to be all the place, apologies.

Saw it last night, was better than I thought (though going in with low expectations helped, haha). CGI was just as amazing as I thought. I didn't like OP's personality at points. I was pissed during the final battle when Megs ripped Jazz in half. Bumblebee was awesome, until he got his voice back. The shot at George Bush made me laugh. The story was bs, as expected. The few scenes Starscream was in were actually good, though no real dialogue pissed me off. Imo, this is one of the rare movies where the kids' dialogue wasn't totally unrealistic (minus the scenes with giant robots) to a degree. A scene during the credits kind of suggests a sequel. They found room to fit in a car chase, which wasn't too bad. Oh and the fan service was nice, and by that I mean the nods to Transformers fans. The XBox 360 and Mountain Dew machine scene made me laugh too. Overall, I didn't mind. Now I feel like buying a Transformer toy. x:

[Minato Namikaze]

The only real thing I was dissapointed in was the fact that we only saw a few Transformers. I know there are more but this one only showed a handful.

And to Busterslash35 what suggests a sequel? I didn't stay to see the final credits except for the first one that showed and that was pretty funny.

[ultima kamehameha]

This movie was excellent. The story wasn't anything groundbreaking,, but the character and the Autobots/Decepticons were great. Had an all star cast, so there's the reason the cast was good. I wouldn't be surprised if there was a sequel, but hope it's as great as the first one.

[Busterslash35]

@Freakin Sweet:
It's like the third scene during the credits I think and it shows that Starscream did survive and shows him in jet form flying off to space. Wiki says that if there is a sequel, Soundwave would play a role iirc. I think with the way movies are going, they might make a 2 part sequel a la the Matrix trilogy or Pirates. Probably something like Starscream trying to either revive Megs or take his place, Unicron shows up, enter Galvatron, then the Autobots have to take down the baddies, ending with Prime and Megs ending it together. Though with the kind of budget this would need, maybe only one sequel after all.

EDIT: ignore my fanfic outburst, just got off Wiki that the producer has plans for a Dinobots, Constructicons, and Soundwave storyline in the sequel. Bay still hasn't signed on. But like I predicted, Dreamworks is okaying two sequels, making another trilogy set. /:

[Johnny Five]

Reviews have been largely positive for TF, which is a nice surprise.

[jaws_is_ra]

and it was one of the best they could had done better calling it the cube was a little over


I never know megatron and prime were brother so that was new to me

(I not read the comic yet i wanted to wait till after the movie to read it)
I think of geting the games to it

Prime could had more parts it should had had him at the start of the movie but it ok let hope that the 2nd will be about Matrix of leadership

[Jmol]

Wow. I'm very suprised. Noone decided to come and post full spoliers. Not that I don't know what happens in Transformers. I'm a HUGE Transformers fan.

[King Atlantis]

EDIT: ignore my fanfic outburst, just got off Wiki that the producer has plans for a Dinobots, Constructicons, and Soundwave storyline in the sequel. Bay still hasn't signed on. But like I predicted, Dreamworks is okaying two sequels, making another trilogy set.
DINOBOTS!
*grabs chest and has a heart attack*

my childhood levels up!
--anyway, read a review that said TF had 'full frontal TF robot genetalia' wtf? is this true ?_?

[Yata-lock Yo Azz]

yeah, one of the gov. guys got peed on by one of the autobots....I think it was Jazz, but I dont actually remember

[King Atlantis]

wow. robot ***** in a pg-13 movie....lol.

[senseker]

Nest movie:Beast Wars??

[ultima kamehameha]

yeah, one of the gov. guys got peed on by one of the autobots....I think it was Jazz, but I dont actually remember

I think it was Bumblebee that pissed on him lol.

[Busterslash35]

I'm not that hardcore of a Transformers fan, so I'm skeptical about Megs and Prime being brothers. It may have been thrown in for Hollywood.

And no, there is no robot *****. Bumblebee opens a hatch and some fluid sprays out onto a government official.

@Sen:
According to Wiki, I doubt it. I wouldn't want Beast Wars to be tainted. x:

[senseker]

I'm not that hardcore of a Transformers fan, so I'm skeptical about Megs and Prime being brothers. It may have been thrown in for Hollywood.

And no, there is no robot *****. Bumblebee opens a hatch and some fluid sprays out onto a government official.

@Sen:
According to Wiki, I doubt it. I wouldn't want Beast Wars to be tainted. x:

I know....just a silly idea ^__~;;

[Busterslash35]

Don't even joke. D:

>_<;

[ultima kamehameha]

I was reading some info on the decepticons, and the autobots on wiki, and when I read about Jazz
We know that Jazz got ripped in half by Megatron in the movie, and was killed, but I read on wiki that if there's a sequel that Rachet is going to rebuild Jazz, and will look just like how he looked in the movie, but with a different paint jobTake it with a grain of salt, but it sounds a little interesting.

[JLewko]

Saw it today. I never got into the Transformers fanbase as a kid (since I was born in 1991, and my cousin is 10 years older than me), but I thought it was great. My only regret is that my contacts were all messed up early on, and I had to watch most of the movie with my crappy ol' regular vision. Meh.

I'll probably end up seeing it again soon enough to make up for that.

[Charninja]

For everybody who DOESN'T know all there is to the G1 series, here are some of the things they did differently/wrong (depending on how you look at it).

1. The AllSpark is completely made up.
2. The Transformers (or whatever you want to call the race as a whole) was in fact the creation of an entirely seperate race of aliens. The Autobots were consumer goods, basically taking the place of grunt laborers. The Decepticons were military machines.
3. Transformers do not have siblings. They may have very close friends and comrades, but any sort of familial term is basically symbolic. They are BUILT, not born. Certain individuals may be similar in one way or another, but they are still completely unique individuals.
4. Only Megatron and Starscream were in the original series. All the other Decepticons were either based on Decepticons, or were invented for the movie (Barricade is a good example). However, all the Autobots were in the original, core team on the G1 series, just with minor changes to their vehicles.
5. Sam Witwicky was called Spike in the G1 series. As near as I can tell, it was his actual name, and Sam was just invented because Spike sounded too much like a nickname.

[Exiled]

In the words of Peter Griffin...


Freakin' Sweet

[NephthysPhoenix]

~sighs~ I saw the movie today, and I have to say I was very disappointed in the ending.

1. Starscream went from bad to good in one second.

2. The autobots never merged to one big autobot (I forgot the name)

That ruined it for me :<.

[Exiled]

~sighs~ I saw the movie today, and I have to say I was very disappointed in the ending.

1. Starscream went from bad to good in one second.

2. The autobots never merged to one big autobot (I forgot the name)

That ruined it for me :<.
That never happened in the original. Unless you're talking about Energon/Armada/Cybertron

[NephthysPhoenix]

Yeah that. It still would of been fun to see.

[Fluga]

~sighs~ I saw the movie today, and I have to say I was very disappointed in the ending.

1. Starscream went from bad to good in one second.

2. The autobots never merged to one big autobot (I forgot the name)

That ruined it for me :<.

They went with the original series for this. If anyone in this thread has seen the original series, you would know why Starscream would even shoot at Megatron.

The second thing was from the newer non-canon series thats really crappy compared to the 80's toons, imo.

[Busterslash35]

Or any series for that matter. It's not Starscream unless he does some betraying, and it's not for the good guys, it's for himself.

[Exiled]

Or any series for that matter. It's not Starscream unless he does some betraying, and it's not for the good guys, it's for himself.
Quoted for Emphasis

[animeandmangafreak]

hasn't came out in HK yet, i can't wait. it seems to be pretty good.

[NephthysPhoenix]

They went with the original series for this. If anyone in this thread has seen the original series, you would know why Starscream would even shoot at Megatron.

The second thing was from the newer non-canon series thats really crappy compared to the 80's toons, imo.

Again I watched the original anime, and this was poorly done at the end sorry.

[Jmol]

They went with the original series for this. If anyone in this thread has seen the original series, you would know why Starscream would even shoot at Megatron.

The second thing was from the newer non-canon series thats really crappy compared to the 80's toons, imo.

Yeah. I've watched the show that you are talking about. So I get what you are talking about

In one of the shows they did something about Prime and someone else, a big red guy with flames, their sparks were like made from the same or something. It was dumb. That's about as close as it comes to sibling in Transformer.

It's also been storylined that Megatrons are a group of bots, like a council of bots and this Megatron is one of them and there are a bunch of different megatrons.

Part of me would jump up for joy at the idea of a Beast Wars movie. Then I would come to my senses and realize that with movies this these, there is too much freedom for them to screw stuff up. Like in this, the brother thing. The lack of original Decs. They would KILL a Beastwars movie. There would be some many things wrong with it.

[Snodin]

Why is everybody upset that Prime called Megatron "brother"? He probably said it because they were made from the same source- be it the AllSpark or not- AND he probably considered him an old friend, even with the bitterness between them.

Prime is an all-around good guy, and sees the good in just about everything. Don't forget that.


...Oh, the movie kicked ass in my opinion, BTW. Four stars out of four.

[Johnny Five]

Waaah! I have to wait until the end of July for this movie! Me wantee!!

Chazz is still a statistic, by the way.

[Minato Namikaze]

In the words of Peter Griffin...


Freakin' Sweet

The movie was indeed Freaking Sweet :D

[Busterslash35]

Who's Chazz?

[ultima kamehameha]

A character from the anime Yugioh GX. It the boy in Snodin's avatar.

[Snodin]

What does Chazz- exscue me, MANJYOME- have anything to do with statistics, or this topic for that matter??

[King Atlantis]

1. Starscream went from bad to good in one second.
i didnt notice this in the movie (saw it today) x.x

anyway, got a bit confused...how did the cube end up going into megatron?

also- second movie is going to come. it is inevitable- optimus calling all autobots, starscream going off into space (presumably to get more deceptacons).

also, why did the cube make all the machines bad? what about turning machines into autobots?

--ps, liked it so much, i went out and bought a starscream actionfigure (the big one :p)

[Busterslash35]

Spoilers.
Sam pushed it in.

A theory is because since machines are supposedly reverse engineered from Megs, when they were given life, they were evil. I wondered the same thing, but I don't really know. Subliminal messaging against buying Mountain Dew and XBox360s?

[Charninja]

For those of you considering buying the soundtrack, don't. MuteMath butchered one of the greatest theme songs of all time. Black Lab (http://blacklabworld.com/blw/pages/transformers.html) is where it's at, beeyotches.

[Exiled]

I forgot. This movie is a giant promotion magnet with their subliminal Mountain Dew and XBox360 messages

And let's not forget about eBay!!!!!

[Snodin]

A theory is because since machines are supposedly reverse engineered from Megs, when they were given life, they were evil. I wondered the same thing, but I don't really know. Subliminal messaging against buying Mountain Dew and XBox360s?

I kinda figured that they were all pumped up full of energy and just didn't know what to do with it. Like Prime said when Ironhide asked why they should help such a primitive species; "Were we so different?"

I actually liked how they tied the internet into how the bots learned English and all. And that line was cute:

Spike: "How did you know about those glasses?"

Prime: "Ebay."

I laughed. ^^

[King Atlantis]

Spoilers.
Sam pushed it in.
but you would think megatron wouldnt just walk around with his all spark showing, for anyone to push anything in :p
A theory is because since machines are supposedly reverse engineered from Megs, when they were given life, they were evil. I wondered the same thing, but I don't really know. Subliminal messaging against buying Mountain Dew and XBox360s?
bleh. i think it was just a stupid way to make it seem even worse of a situation than allready was :p

[XxX.:Ash Ketchum:.XxX]

For those of you considering buying the soundtrack, don't. MuteMath butchered one of the greatest theme songs of all time. Black Lab (http://blacklabworld.com/blw/pages/transformers.html) is where it's at, beeyotches.
Ya their version of it was terrible .

[Secret Squirrel]

Reviews have been largely positive for TF, which is a nice surprise.

Yeah it was fun. Coming from someone who doesn't really know anything about Transformers, I liked it. The ending was lame, but that was to be expected (too anti-climactic. It just.. stops). Fights were good too.

I liked the Seatbelt move. :D

[XxX.:Ash Ketchum:.XxX]

Ya but the ending set up for a second movie.

[Dr. Blaine]

Honestly, I found the film to be a bit dissapointing. There were plenty of explosions, lots of cool robot v. robot v. human action, but the story was kind of like a poorly built rollarcoaster. It quickly went uphill with the appearance of Blackout, but then slowly went downhill from there with the occasional moments where it quickly came back up (Scorpinock vs the Army, the Autobots arrive on earth and take shape, Frenzy fighting anyone) before slowly coming to a stop.

To be fair, I did kind of set my expectations high thinking it might be the best action film of the summer (but nope, I have to give that to LFoDH), so maybe it's just me expecting more than I should have.

Still, I can't help but wonder about such things as where Barricade went, why Optimus was late for the final battle (though later, after the film, I recalled that he had been delayed dispatching Bonecrusher, so that was more me simply forgetting the totally sweet but also way too short action sequence that had happened not too long ago), and what was up with Starscream. I didn't even catch on that he was helping shoot Megatron (I'd have to go back and watch again to see that). I just saw him shooting other F-14s one minute and then we fail to see him again for the rest of the battle, then next thing you know, it's up to the spoilers to reveal his fate.

But I probably was thinking too much about what was going on and should have just left my brain at home while I watched it. Cus there were certaily enough explosions and battles to make the film entertaining.

[Snodin]

I'll agree that most of the action went too fast, but they've left us with the hope that there will be a sequel that will make up for that. Kinda like how Spider 1 was more story than action, then Spidey 2 gave us Doc Oc and one of the best fights/action sequences ever.

That's the hope, anyway.

[jakeb]

I'll agree that most of the action went too fast, but they've left us with the hope that there will be a sequel that will make up for that. Kinda like how Spider 1 was more story than action, then Spidey 2 gave us Doc Oc and one of the best fights/action sequences ever.

That's the hope, anyway.

There are two sequals coming actually.


*Spoilers warnings*







Please note that Megtron, while "deactivated", was not "Destroyed."

-set up for #2

Starscream is seen leaving earth during the credits. He is fetching other decepticons.

-set up for #2

Don't be suprised if you see the Constructicons or Dinobots in the sequal.

"Devastator's" real name is "Brawl" just so you know. That was an edditing mistake. It will be fixed for the dvd.

Barricade and Skorpinok vanishes

-set up for #2

So obviously, there are some plot holes. But sometimes you need them, especially if you want sequals.

[Busterslash35]

Yay, someone can read what's already been posted. (:

Also, found this while browsing, but in the scene where the post battle debris is being disposed of, you can see one of Barricade's doors on the ship. No telling what that means. If anyone hasn't seen it yet, can you confirm this?

[King Atlantis]

Honestly, I found the film to be a bit dissapointing. There were plenty of explosions, lots of cool robot v. robot v. human action, but the story was kind of like a poorly built rollarcoaster
its based off a cartoon based of a storyline.it has transforming robots. who frikkin needs a storyline?!?!
(lol)
. I didn't even catch on that he was helping shoot Megatron
see, i didnt either. can some one confirm this?
Barricade and Skorpinok vanishes
wasnt barricade killed by bumblebee? and im guessing skorpinok will be the first we see in the second movie.
Please note that Megtron, while "deactivated", was not "Destroyed."
but umm...hes all spark like, exploded, and he was sent to the bottom of the ocean (presumably crushed under the pressure).
-im expecting the other guy next movie (like, 'megatron II') i forget his name though...hes what happens when the deceptacons try to bring megatron abck to life in the comics(?). i forgot its name >.<

ALSO- realy the ONLY dissapointements for me this movie were:
1) megatrons look...bleh. didnt look like a tranformer.
2) the deceptacons barely had ANY lines. (not that the autobots had any, but still).

highlights for me:
1) BEST robot film EVER.
2) looked AWSOME.
3) the transforming was...insanly greatly done.
4) had funny parts.
5) the actors didnt suck.
6) my favorite line ever was said:
megatron to starscream:
"once again you dissapoint me satrscream"
i LOVE that line :D

[Busterslash35]

Everything needs a story, especially one that doesn't come off as complete bs.

Barricade and Scorpinok are presumably dead, but nothing shows if this is true or not.

Just because his body was crushed doesn't mean they can't make a new one and somehow revive his spark. I think you mean Galvatron?

The Decepticons didn't know English it seemed, or at least they never used it, besides Megs. It would be lame to hear that techno sound throughout the movie for their 'lines.'

One thing just hit me, whatever happened to the no mass shifting they talked about before? Iirc, the entire "Allspark" was one giant mass shift...

[Yoshida]

i know this sounds noobish but i thought it was kinda like a gundam live movie but thats just my opinion.

[ultima kamehameha]

i know this sounds noobish but i thought it was kinda like a gundam live movie but thats just my opinion.

What gave you that Idea?

[Mist_Shinobi]

Megan Fox...DAYUMMM!!

Theres 2 more sequels to this movie, better have dinobots.

[XxX.:Ash Ketchum:.XxX]

As for sequels all that I care about is soundwave being in it . . .

[Johnny Five]

As for Barricade's body - Barricade was supposed to be killed by Optimus by being slammed into the freeway, but it seems to be cut. This was revealed in the IDW comic adaptation.

[King Atlantis]

Barricade and Scorpinok are presumably dead, but nothing shows if this is true or not.
scorpinok i doubt...only his tail is gone :/
I think you mean Galvatron?
thats it!
The Decepticons didn't know English it seemed, or at least they never used it, besides Megs. It would be lame to hear that techno sound throughout the movie for their 'lines.'
starscream spoke. so did the police car (for gots its name too :p).
i know this sounds noobish but i thought it was kinda like a gundam live movie but thats just my opinion.
yeah- but gundams CANT TRANSFORM ZOMFG!!!!111!!

on a side note, i want a neon ganesis live action movie all the more now :(

[Snodin]

The Decepticons didn't know English it seemed, or at least they never used it, besides Megs. It would be lame to hear that techno sound throughout the movie for their 'lines.'

I took it that the majority of the Decepticons were too prideful to use a language other than their own (to them, English must be really primitive); Megatron learned it while being a frozen icecube under lock and key, but the other bots could have easily learned it through the computers they hacked into.

[OmegaMan1144]

I'm highly disappointed in the movie version of the toys. I bought Skorponok, and his entire change is based on moving 3 whole parts...whooopeee. Sure, he looks cool, minus the scorpion face doubling as his head...
I've still got my Grimlock (the T-Rex autobox) toy, and it takes about 15 different things to happen for him to go from dino to manlike robot. Those are the kinds of Transformers I like...the complicated ones LOL.

My wife and I went to see a movie a few weeks ago, but it was over-sold. Nowhere to sit. I had bought tickets online, and was able to get 3 rainchecks for any movie, any time. The first 2 are going to be used to watch Harry Pothead 5, and the third, I'm going to coerce my wife into letting me go solo to the Transformers. "Be back in a few hours, Dear, I'm going umm..... out to do guy stuff or something..."

[Busterslash35]

True, they did speak English. Hmm. But they really had no use for it besides talking to humans.

I can't wait for the NGE movie either. (:

[Minato Namikaze]

I took it that the majority of the Decepticons were too prideful to use a language other than their own (to them, English must be really primitive); Megatron learned it while being a frozen icecube under lock and key, but the other bots could have easily learned it through the computers they hacked into.

Barricade pretty much screemed at Sam Witwickey asking where the glasses were.

I liked how Megatron screems "I AM MEGATRON!!!!!" Right after he was thawed out from the ice because it seems when they were calling him MBE1 for like 100 years and he was getting pissed that no one knew his name. Maybe that or I was just overthinking this

[Yata-lock Yo Azz]

I cant believe anyone would say this is a bad movie....the movie was so good I went and bought the Box set of Transformers, seasons 1-4....which apparently is not easy to find

[Exiled]

I cant believe anyone would say this is a bad movie....the movie was so good I went and bought the Box set of Transformers, seasons 1-4....which apparently is not easy to find
Because of the movie?

[Yata-lock Yo Azz]

I think it is harder to find because of the movie.....but there are also two versions of the DVDs. The first is INDIVIDUAL box sets, which costs like $60+ for each set....and seasons 2 and 3 are split in half, so its over 300 dollars to pick up the seasons. I found the rare tin version, which has all 4 seasons and the cartoon movie together (with a keychain and postcards and stuff).

[King Atlantis]

I'm highly disappointed in the movie version of the toys. I bought Skorponok, and his entire change is based on moving 3 whole parts...whooopeee. Sure, he looks cool, minus the scorpion face doubling as his head...
I've still got my Grimlock (the T-Rex autobox) toy, and it takes about 15 different things to happen for him to go from dino to manlike robot. Those are the kinds of Transformers I like...the complicated ones LOL.
i bought the 20$ starscream one, and its nice :)
the one you bought was one of the crappy 74 ones :/
I can't wait for the NGE movie either. (:
if it ever happens (crys)
Barricade pretty much screemed at Sam Witwickey asking where the glasses were.

I liked how Megatron screems "I AM MEGATRON!!!!!" Right after he was thawed out from the ice because it seems when they were calling him MBE1 for like 100 years and he was getting pissed that no one knew his name. Maybe that or I was just overthinking this
lol.
''you dissapoint me again starscream!''
....the movie was so good I went and bought the Box set of Transformers, seasons 1-4....which apparently is not easy to find
how much and whered you get em?

[Busterslash35]

If it doesn't happen soon (live action NGE) I'ma have to hurt somebody. |:

[Exiled]

I remember reading this article on that certain popular anime magazine (forgot the name) and they were talking on how a Live action NGE would look like

All I remember is Hilary Duff being Asuka

Burn

[Yata-lock Yo Azz]

I found them on ebay. Here are two auction numbers for the same thing, so you actually know what I am talking about.

250141377129
260138098058

I would have linked you, but I dont know if the site lets me do that.

[ultima kamehameha]

I remember reading this article on that certain popular anime magazine (forgot the name) and they were talking on how a Live action NGE would look like

All I remember is Hilary Duff being Asuka

Burn

It was anime insider. I'll scan the pages I got and put in the NGE thread.

[Busterslash35]

No need. All the important info is on Wikipedia anyway.

[jakeb]

[I][

[I][COLOR="red"]but umm...hes all spark like, exploded, and he was sent to the bottom of the ocean (presumably crushed under the pressure).
-im expecting the other guy next movie (like, 'megatron II') i forget his name though...hes what happens when the deceptacons try to bring megatron abck to life in the comics(?). i forgot its name >.<


Negative.





*Spoilers warnings*










They already have it planned for the sequal that some Decepticon or another (most likely Soundwave) will take the form of a sub to retrieve Megatron to "Reactivate" him.

If you watch closely, after Barricade fights BB, frenzy is repairing him. After he fights a little in the streets, he really does dissappear and will most likely be in the sequal.

[XxX.:Ash Ketchum:.XxX]

Negative.





*Spoilers warnings*










They already have it planned for the sequal that some Decepticon or another (most likely Soundwave) will take the form of a sub to retrieve Megatron to "Reactivate" him.

If you watch closely, after Barricade fights BB, frenzy is repairing him. After he fights a little in the streets, he really does dissappear and will most likely be in the sequal.
Submarine soundwave? noooooooooooooooo if thats true I will cry alot:(

[Busterslash35]

There's no way they'd make Soundwave a sub.

I mean, don't even joke about it.

Anywho, I'm going to see it again tomorrow with a different friend who hasn't seen it yet, so if there's anything I should look out for, let me know.

[Dr. Blaine]

Their may or may not be plans to make one become a sub, but I do know that Bay would like to have someone transform into an aircraft carrier. Now that would be one freaking big robot. Probably wouldn't even have to add in a sub transformer. Giant boat bot could simply swim down to the bottom of the ocean and pick up Megatron for them.

[Johnny Five]

Their may or may not be plans to make one become a sub, but I do know that Bay would like to have someone transform into an aircraft carrier. Now that would be one freaking big robot. Probably wouldn't even have to add in a sub transformer. Giant boat bot could simply swim down to the bottom of the ocean and pick up Megatron for them.

An aircraft carrier reminds me of two Transformers - Broadside (Autobots) and Tidal Wave (Decepticons).

[XxX.:Ash Ketchum:.XxX]

Well with soundwave I think they will proly make him something besides a tape deck... I think in the cybertron series he was a ship, but i may be wrong I never watched the cybertron series.

[King Atlantis]

If it doesn't happen soon (live action NGE) I'ma have to hurt somebody. |:
I remember reading this article on that certain popular anime magazine (forgot the name) and they were talking on how a Live action NGE would look like

All I remember is Hilary Duff being Asuka

Burn
apperantly its on a sorta 'permanent' hold for now :/
*crys as heart breaks in two*

anyway, i wonder if the dinobots in movie two will be all 'robo-fied' like Skorpnok (forgot how to spell :/) was...you know, more like a robot-version of the animal than realy looking like it.

[dabom88]

Popular Autobots like Red Alert, Ironhide, and Hot Rod and popular Decepticons like Thunderclash, Shockwave, and Soundwave will probably be in the next movie, barring Hasbro having lost the rights to using the Shockwave name.

I want the Dinobots and the Constructicons to show up.

[ultima kamehameha]

Well yesterday I brought the novel of Transformers, and today I saw the movie again. This time no annoying kids in the theatre lol. Probably on Friday I'll start reading the novel to see how it differs from the movie, and next week I'm going to buy the Ghost Of Tomorrow novel.

[Busterslash35]

Just got back from it again.

Starscream did have a few more lines than I thought, but nothing big.

It seemed like the jets just didn't feel like attacking Starscream as he was tearing them apart because they were focused on hitting Megs, and yeah, Starscream did join the jets in hitting Megs, though it was hard to really notice.

On the ship, I don't think it was Barricade's door, it was the helicopter's afaik.

Also noticed that the soundfile that they were deciphering was in a .tfr format. Dunno if that's a real forma,t but if not, I thought it was a cool detail.

The All Spark mass shifting still gets to me. Ug.

[XxX.:Ash Ketchum:.XxX]

Did you stay till after all the credits cause I think they showed a ship coming out of the water.

[Busterslash35]

I only stayed until the Starscream scene.

[Dr. Blaine]

Unless I wasn't paying close enough attention, there was nothing I saw in the credits that involved a ship coming out of the water. Or even just a ship floating on the water.

[XxX.:Ash Ketchum:.XxX]

It was after his parents talked twice. Or was that starscream? I only saw it as I was walking out.

[Busterslash35]

It was Starscream. Flying through the sky and out into the atmosphere.

No water. No ship.

[King Atlantis]

The All Spark mass shifting still gets to me. Ug
why?

*filler...that dang 'too short' message...*

[XxX.:Ash Ketchum:.XxX]

It was Starscream. Flying through the sky and out into the atmosphere.

No water. No ship.
Ok well I was walking out of the theater and I just turned around for 3 seconds so that explains it:rolleyes:

[King Atlantis]

lol, yeah.

i need to see it again..didnt catch some of it the first time, apperently.

[FURIA328]

Because of the movie?

Hell I'm going to go buy some of the action figures because of the movie.

EDIT: Why was the action figure Brawl reffered to as Devestator in the movie or vice versa?

[Exiled]

Hell I'm going to go buy some of the action figures because of the movie.

EDIT: Why was the action figure Brawl reffered to as Devestator in the movie or vice versa?
I wouldn't mind video games, but whoa lol

[King Atlantis]

Hell I'm going to go buy some of the action figures because of the movie.
i bought starscream, and went and found my 1980's optimus prime (given to me by my uncle in the early 90's)...if only it was in better condition :/

[IlluminatiX]

This is the best movie I have seen yet =)

[King Atlantis]

it was even more 'action packed' than live free/die hard, which is saying something, lol.

[Busterslash35]

EDIT: Why was the action figure Brawl reffered to as Devestator in the movie or vice versa?

It was a mistake, the real name is Brawl. It's going to be fixed in the DVD release.


The mass shifting annoyed me because they said they weren't going to do it, they didn't do it at any point during the movie so far (that was noticeable anyway), and it took away from the realism that they already set up.

[UnhalloweD]

Dude, this was the best Movie ever, only a total nerd-ass geek would complain about the story since it was good.

and I just have one last thing to say about this movie "CRIMINALZZ ARGH HOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

[Johnny Five]

I'm not sure about the story being brilliant, but who really cares when it's this good?

[Busterslash35]

Dude, this was the best Movie ever, only a total nerd-ass geek would complain about the story since it was good.

and I just have one last thing to say about this movie "CRIMINALZZ ARGH HOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

...wow. Just wow.

[UnhalloweD]

What the hell is that supposed to mean? haha.

[Busterslash35]

Just hoping you were being half sarcastic.

[KiNG]

Is this movie worth watching in theaters or just a DVD at home?

[IlluminatiX]

It's very well worth watching at the theaters.

[KiNG]

It's very well worth watching at the theaters.
Damn it, I missed it by a few days.

[UnhalloweD]

What do you mean 'missed it'?

It's still in theaters if that's what you meant.

[Exiled]

it was even more 'action packed' than live free/die hard, which is saying something, lol.
Don't tell me you're serious...

[KiNG]

What do you mean 'missed it'?

It's still in theaters if that's what you meant.
I don't think I can go to the theaters this whole week nor the next. No time.

[UnhalloweD]

I'm pretty sure it will be in theaters even after that, I mean I just went this weekend like in the Morning to watch it and it was packed, so yeah.

[KiNG]

Norcal or socal?

[UnhalloweD]

Both :D

haha, jk.
Socal.
but people here are lazy so yeah, I mean the movie is still making a lot of money, they always keep movies like that alive for a long while.

[KiNG]

I'm just going to wait for the DVD. Too lazy to got to the theaters.

[Emnm]

I'm just going to wait for the DVD. Too lazy to got to the theaters.

You'll regret it man, it won't look as great as watching it in theaters. It's definitely one of those movies worth watching in a huge theater in surround sound and such. But ah well, it's your choice. And I am pretty sure you'll have time.

[Yata-lock Yo Azz]

<insert shameless plug>

anyone interested in buying seasons 1-4 of the cartoon....I already watched the whole thing.

[Optimus Prime III]

I found the film to be very entertaining, except for the fact that Optimus Prime called Megatron "brother". I found this to be untrue to the original animated series, and I was so disgusted I got up and left the theatre. Hopefully the sequel appeals to TRUE fans of the series, such as myself.

[KiNG]

You'll regret it man, it won't look as great as watching it in theaters. It's definitely one of those movies worth watching in a huge theater in surround sound and such. But ah well, it's your choice. And I am pretty sure you'll have time.
Well, I took time to watch it and it was...unbelievably spectacular!

The graphics were gnar gnar!

[Emnm]

Well, I took time to watch it and it was...unbelievably spectacular!

The graphics were gnar gnar!

See, told you that you would like it.

[Yata-lock Yo Azz]

wow, no one is interested in seasons 1-4 on dvd....surprising

[WildWill]

The DVD has been released, I bought it yesterday at Best Buy so I could get the free Megatron Lithograph (which is surprisingly really nice). I didn't go see the film in the theaters, since I rarely go to the movies anymore.

I enjoyed the heck out of this movie. Oh it's not great cinema by any stretch of the imagination, but it's a lot of fun in an "Armageddon" kind of way (by which I mean, I love Armageddon, ID4 and other mindless action movies where I turn off my brain as soon as the movie starts and just enjoy it).

I found it to be close enough to the source material to placate my own sensibilities over the TF stories (if you think the cartoon is the end-all be-all of Transformers continuity, you've got another thing coming). The nit-picks were all very minor, and I look forward to the sequel.

Now:

It was a mistake, the real name is Brawl. It's going to be fixed in the DVD release.


Except it WAS NOT fixed. He's still Devastator in the DVD. Which is fine with me. I like the idea of Devastator being a tank. Never really liked the Constructicons anyway.

I found the film to be very entertaining, except for the fact that Optimus Prime called Megatron "brother". I found this to be untrue to the original animated series, and I was so disgusted I got up and left the theatre. Hopefully the sequel appeals to TRUE fans of the series, such as myself.

1) You're banned, so you can't see this, but
2) You're an idiot too. If you walked out because of that, well then you're a moron. If you THINK about it hard enough ALL the Transformers are brethren, since they're NOT BIOLOGICAL! In the prequel comics yes, they're brothers raised by the same father, but really, I think that lends a classical motif to the preceedings. Cain/Abel - remember them?

wow, no one is interested in seasons 1-4 on dvd....surprising

Well, if you want to sell your DVDs DO IT ON EBAY. This isn't the place.


And besides, who wouldn't like a movie with transforming cars and big giant robots done with a huge budget? My biggest gripe is that it's an HOUR into the movie before we see Optimus Prime.

Oh and now I want some toys.

[Busterslash35]

Hmm, I guess they decided to stick with the name then. Or maybe ti was an oversight. Oh well, not really important.

Has anyone picked up the transforming DVD case version at Target? How is it? Shoddy worksmanship or pretty decent collector item?

[WildWill]

I'm curious about that my own self.

Also Wal-Mart was supposed to have a DVD of the prequel comics done up with animation - did anyone get that?

[Otaku]

I picked mine up at Wal-Mart: the bonus DVD content is solid. Not brilliant, but solid: its the kind of thing you often find under a "Bonuses" menu: mostly voice acting to what look like the storyboards and/or frames from one of the recent comics. Its 'animated' only in the most primitive sense. It does fill in a lot of back story, though.

The reason no one wants Seasons 1-4, btw, is probably that a lot of fans have had them now for a few years. ;) I mean, might be a bit of "market saturation" and all at least for the US Market: here they have been available for what... three years, four years? Besides, why get rid of them after just one viewing? I mean, unless one is already planning on buying whatever the "new" version of them will be that inevitably comes out. Otherwise, one watches them over and over and over again. Quite nice early in the morning when your brain hasn't kicked in.

As for the movie itself, solid B action movie. Obviously that's not a literal B-Movie, just that I mean it isn't quite on par with the best. As Wild Will said, its the kind of action romp you don't over analyze. Watch out for the fanboys who don't like it: I don't know why they obsess over bizarre details but they do (this from someone who chose the name 'otaku'). I know its pretty humancentric to fans, but so many forget that Transformers is being mainstreamed: its basically Star Wars less 20 years in terms of acceptance.

Oh, and did they ever establish if Prime was being literal when he referred to Megatron as "brother"? Its not a huge issue to me, but I was wondering. I was more annoyed at other content in the movie done to boost the Rating. And that Brawl was Devastator. I mean, just because Brawl makes more sense to longtime fans like myself: Devastator works as a tank, but even my Mom remembers he's construction equipment.

[wrathchild]

Its been heavily rumored that the rest of the constructicons will appear on the next film, but I wanna know is how is that possible since prime killed bone crusher? I heard this one guy say that prime chopped off his head, but left his spark alone, and in order to kill a transformer you need to destroy their spark. Was that guy right or full of BS? I hope he's right cuz I REALLY want to see devastator annihilate the autobots.

Also even though soundwave wasnt in this film (which pissed me off so much) Its rumored that he will be in the next one and that he will either be a stealth bomber or an FBI/SWAT surveilance vehicle thing.

I hope megatron comes back in the next film as galvatron, that'll be freakin awesome.

[WildWill]

It certainly seems that in order to properly "kill" a Cybertronian you need to snuff their spark, since Megatron is actually the only one who's spark we actually see snuffed out, he's actually the only one we can count on who's dead.

Jazz is rumoured to be alive (albeit he might need a wheelchair for awhile).

I thought it was pretty clear that Megs and Optimus are indeed "brothers" but what does that really mean? They're freaking robots. It's not like they have a BIRTH MOTHER or FATHER. I thought one of the prequel stories indicated they were brought up by the same "father". Does it really matter though? In the grand scheme of things, you could consider ALL the Cybertronians "brothers" since they all come from the same spark (the ALLSPARK).

[Busterslash35]

One of the Jazz toy descriptions imply that since his Spark wasn't killed he was able to be brought back, iirc. So really, I guess Devastator/Brawl could be revived somehow, but since his body was beheaded he couldn't come back on his own.

As for Soundwave, someone made a really nice and accurate concept drawing fanart for a modern version of Soundwave where he turns into a Hummer. Some people are thinking it's forreal though but it's not.

[Otaku]

Well, in the upcoming animated series, I believe Soundwave is supposed to be a Scion (and Lazerbeak a guitar). If you wanna know more, wiki it.

As for killing a Transformer, you guys might want to remember that sparks are essentially souls. Now, they are a little more durable than human souls are (barring "mutant" sparks like those of G1 Starscream and Beast Wars Rampage), but barring someone they just want alive, when the body dies, the spark follows soon after. So the real question is are the bodies "dead dead" or just "inert dead"?

[WildWill]

Otaku - the movie continuity is completely different than any other continuity we've seen thus far, we cannot make assumptions on the natures of sparks, except for what we've seen on the screen

[Busterslash35]

If anyone wants to think anything of this, here's the Wiki entry on one of the Jazz toys:
Movie Deluxe Class Autobot Jazz Redeco (2007)
A redeco of the Deluxe Jazz toy in Generation 1 colors, seen on the Target web site. The bio on the toy states that Jazz was rebuilt by Ratchet after the fight against Megatron with a new, more eye-catching paint job. It is unknown if this toy will be tied in to a movie sequel. This toy hints at Jazz's possible ressurection: "During the long process of being rebuilt by AUTOBOT RATCHET, there was a lot of time to think. AUTOBOT JAZZ digs his Earth vehicle form, but the silver paint job had always left something to be desired. It got scratched too easily, for one thing, and dust stuck to it like cyberflies on old oil. Also, it wasn't nearly eye-catching enough. Just because he's supposed to be in disguise doesn't mean he can't be noticed. With help from BUMBLEBEE and AUTOBOT RATCHET, he picked this color scheme as the one most likely to get him appreciative looks from all the humans he passes on the freeway."

Wow, snooping around Wiki led me to Arcee's page. She was supposed to have a role in the movie but was written out because they didn't have time to explain a female in a robotic race. But her design is awesome.
http://www.benprocter.com/SITEv2/HTML/ZOOM_Trans/ZOOM_92.html
(I never understood the tire splitting transformations, did you?)
Heck, if they can have genders, why not have siblings in the 2007 movie universe?..

And whoo, concept art for Ratchet: http://www.benprocter.com/SITEv2/HTML/ZOOM_Trans/ZOOM_94.html

The site also has concept art and a story of designing the 07 TFs.

[Otaku]

Will - we most certainly can make assumptions based on other series. They just might be wrong. ;)

Completely different is also stretching it: it is Transformers, after all. If it were completely different, then it wouldn't be. We have an Optimus Prime, leader of the Autobots. We had a Megatron, leader of the Decepticons, complete with a subordinate to berate (Starscream). They are from Cybertron. Simply put, one can attempt to extrapolate from what we know of past series, as it is doubtful that they will choose to ignore all of it. After all, the comments I am responding to weren't based soley upon the movie: sparks were mentioned but mostly as a McGuffin for the plot.

Hmm... what annoys me is that I must have a major typo in there so that even I am not sure what I was saying. So let me clarify here (since editing the post would just lead to more confusion).

In most official Transformers fiction, Sparks are as durable as the writer feels like. if they want a character to live, its strong. If they don't, it'll be snuffed quite easily. In the movie many Autobots die and while some are resurrected, its possibly by accident (they forgot they killed them). Starscream was blasted to ash by Galvatron, but because he was so popular his ghost was brought back later and he was revived by Unicron. Eventually, when Beast Wars came out and the Spark concept was created, they decided that Starscream's ghost was due to a "mutant" spark that was self-sustaining despite lacking a body, thus implying that other Transformers' sparks will fade without a body. Justification after the fact is common.

So, Jazz might be dead dead or he might just be nearly dead. XD

[WildWill]

Or he might be not at all dead if you consider the toys - we'll just have to wait for the sequel. I'm siding with the "not dead" part myself, simply because it seemed like a ****ty death. As far as dead Cybertronians (I can't call them Transformers, sorry) the only one I am sure of is Megs, and of course, he'll be back anyway somehow.

Too bad they couldn't use the Autobot Matrix of Leadership (Damn Matrix movies).

[Otaku]

Guess the Princess Bride reference was too subtle, or perhaps its just been so long that I've messed it up. "Nearly dead" implies that he will (in some meaningful way) be revived. Toy line only is not meaningful. Its better than nothing, but hey if we go by "toys", I got the Risk Transformers game so I have a map of Cybertron then. No, of course not: it lists places mentioned from assorted Transformers series. I don't have it in front of me, but I think there's even a space for "Unicron", probably referencing Unicron's floating head from post-movie G1.

I side with Jazz being alive because "they" brought back Bucky. Why? Now all death in comic books truly is meaningless. I could handle that only like 0.001, if that, of comic book deaths were permanent, but Bucky (and Jason Todd, from what I've heard) both coming back from the dead? At least the Uncle Ben was from a parallel time line...

*For those wondering, the above is referencing the deaths in comic books that, until recently, were the only major, permanent deaths. This is me being silly again. I just assume Jazz is alive because they needed a token death to make the movie "serious", which almost always makes a character more popular than ever and pretty much guarantees he won't stay dead. I feel like such a tool.

[WildWill]

Yes, Jason Todd is alive. However, it took a cosmic event to do it, he wasn't just brought back willy-nilly. And when he discovered that Bats didn't avenge his death, he got PIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIISSSSSSSSEEEEEDDDDD off.

Death is irrelevant in comics because of the audience that they are aimed at, or at least were aimed at for the last 70 years. Kids don't understand death at all.

If you think they do, try explaining why your four year old won't be seeing Grandma anymore.

And yeah, I agree about Jazz' death, it was ****ty.

[Otaku]

I don't know if its better or worse he was literally brought back from the dead. I actually like, to an extent, what they've done with him... except that he's Jason Todd and is supposed to stay dead. XD

Oh, and if you grow up on a farm, you learn about death at age four. Age three its still a bit of a mystery, but by age four something has had to die and it happens often enough parents don't have the energy to lie about it. And since I am a bit tired again, I'll kill my feeble attempt at black humor by pointing out I am once again attempting to be humorous (though it could be mistaken as being argumentative).

The following is lightly argumentative: disagree and I don't need to continue debating it as I don't feel its that important (and is close to being off topic).

The actual argument is the target audience for comic books. Some are meant for quite young readers, but I'd say mainstream super-hero comics are meant for at least 10 and up, and honestly some content is should be limited to older but isn't. I haven't read any American super-hero style comic books regularly for like five years, but I seem to recall that most probably were geared towards 12-17 year olds. A few were toned down if they were more mainstream (X-Men seemed to reflect my earlier statement), but some were geared towards far older (though not necessarily more mature) audiences.

Transformers tends to skew younger in part because its characters (at least the Cybertronian ones) are so durable they can get away with taking more damage than real characters. Waspinator was comically blown to bits all the time in Beast Wars because they decided Predacons could be that durable. Even when being serious, they could do far worse to a robot than they could do to a human and have the robot plausibly survive.

[Infernarl]

I was an extremely big transfan throughout the 80's and I found this movie to have not evoked nostalga in any way, which is all i wanted, so to that extent it was a total failure.

[WildWill]

I don't know if its better or worse he was literally brought back from the dead. I actually like, to an extent, what they've done with him... except that he's Jason Todd and is supposed to stay dead. XD


Oh I agree. I didn't LIKE the fact that they brought Jason back, and even though I hated the character at the time, I thought he should not have died the way he did. If you think about it, it was pretty heinous, and really should have affected Batman a bit more than it did really.


Oh, and if you grow up on a farm, you learn about death at age four. Age three its still a bit of a mystery, but by age four something has had to die and it happens often enough parents don't have the energy to lie about it. And since I am a bit tired again, I'll kill my feeble attempt at black humor by pointing out I am once again attempting to be humorous (though it could be mistaken as being argumentative).


Otaku - don't feel like you have to justify your statements as being non-argumentative. You can say what you wanna say without fear of reprisal - this is a TRANSFORMERS thread - air it out, I don't care. Last thing I want to do is make people afraid to post.

However, I will say this about your statement: with family farms drying up left and right, and the United States moving towards a completely urban based environment, how many kids grow up on a farm anymore? 1% of the population? If that?

The following is lightly argumentative: disagree and I don't need to continue debating it as I don't feel its that important (and is close to being off topic).

The actual argument is the target audience for comic books. Some are meant for quite young readers, but I'd say mainstream super-hero comics are meant for at least 10 and up, and honestly some content is should be limited to older but isn't. I haven't read any American super-hero style comic books regularly for like five years, but I seem to recall that most probably were geared towards 12-17 year olds. A few were toned down if they were more mainstream (X-Men seemed to reflect my earlier statement), but some were geared towards far older (though not necessarily more mature) audiences.

Transformers tends to skew younger in part because its characters (at least the Cybertronian ones) are so durable they can get away with taking more damage than real characters. Waspinator was comically blown to bits all the time in Beast Wars because they decided Predacons could be that durable. Even when being serious, they could do far worse to a robot than they could do to a human and have the robot plausibly survive.

I don't disagree with your statement here, I think actually the audience for comic books is slightly older than what they're aimed at today, but not with Marvel and DC to be honest. Sure there are titles labelled "mature readers only", but if you actually look at raw numbers these days, Comics are a dying breed. MONTHLIES are anyway. In the early 90's Spawn #1 and X-Men #1 were setting modern records for sales at a several million or so books sold. (Sales weren't very well tracked in the 30's - 40's, however, it's estimated that books back then were printed in the millions on a regular basis), now the number one comic each month BARELY hits 100,000 in sales, and there are only a handful that reach that number.

Most comics these days barely hit 50,000 copies. Who ARE they aimed at, whomever it is, they are still falling for the whole death-not-final thing.

[Otaku]

I must confess, I used to read pretty much the entire X-Men family of books, plus a few others on top of that. For a while I didn't read anything like comics at all, and now I pick up manga titles when I can spare the cash (manga here referring to Japanese comics that have been released in the US in English form but hopefully with little else altered). The reasons are, aside from being so easy to hook via other mediums (I read JoJo's Bizarre Adventure because I bought the PSOne game when it was on clearance XD), they just seem to be more bang for my buck. I mean, I don't know how they exactly translate in terms of content, but even then a lot of it is just time: I don't have to freak out that a manga title I want will be totally gone if I don't get it within two months of its release.

[Sword_Stalker]

It certainly seems that in order to properly "kill" a Cybertronian you need to snuff their spark, since Megatron is actually the only one who's spark we actually see snuffed out, he's actually the only one we can count on who's dead.

Jazz is rumoured to be alive (albeit he might need a wheelchair for awhile).

I thought it was pretty clear that Megs and Optimus are indeed "brothers" but what does that really mean? They're freaking robots. It's not like they have a BIRTH MOTHER or FATHER. I thought one of the prequel stories indicated they were brought up by the same "father". Does it really matter though? In the grand scheme of things, you could consider ALL the Cybertronians "brothers" since they all come from the same spark (the ALLSPARK).

the term brothers can be used as cybertronian brother, as in they are of the same kind.

i am pretty sure that if the head goes, the spark goes.

although we see megatron's spark snuffed out. it does not mean that he is dead. it means though that if he becomes active again, he will be all powerful, since i think they put him in the sea to ward him from coming back alive. but he could turn into unicron in the third movie

[~Dark Paladin~]

I believe Optimus referred to Megatron as brother in the fact they are both Cybertrons, not as they have any relation, however they can even have such a relation. I agree that being snapped in half is a less than awesome death, and I really liked his attitude. It will be interesting to see what is done in the sequel.

[WildWill]

You really didn't read the prequel comics did you?

Optimus and Megatron refer to each other as brothers because they were raised by the same cybertronian.

[Otaku]

Prequel Comics?

[Busterslash35]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transformers:_Movie_Prequel

[Otaku]

I see. I picked mine up at Wal-Mart, so much of what I don't know if what got left on the cutting room floor. ;)

[Busterslash35]

http://transformers.moviechronicles.com/2009-02/transformers-2-teaser-trailer-is-here-early/

Trailer in HD along with key screenshots. I'm not sure that the giant one is Devastator, because it matches the toy here (http://transformers.moviechronicles.com/2009-01/high-quality-constructicon-toy-images/) pretty well, and that'd be a lame Devastator. Possible Arcee sighting is cool. Optimus Prime's windshield actually shows damage.. awesome (one thing that irked me in the first film is how well glass held up in robot mode).

[Silver_Mage]

The only transformer i could make out was Optimus. Other than that, they all looked new. From what I've herd via various websites, we can expect to see around 40 transformers.

[superman]

That was just a short version of the teaser, however the full version of the teaser will be out with Friday the 13th. Also directed by Micheal Bay as well. We won't be seeing the full version online in a week after the movie is released.

[Busterslash35]

That was just a short version of the teaser, however the full version of the teaser will be out with Friday the 13th. Also directed by Micheal Bay as well. We won't be seeing the full version online in a week after the movie is released.
Do you mean a longer teaser or an actual trailer?

[superman]

Do you mean a longer teaser or an actual trailer?

The full version of the Teaser from what we saw during the superbowl commercials.

[piccolo#1]

Instead of using this old thread, just use this one.

http://www.pojo.biz/board/showthread.php?t=659042