The OFFICIAL M12 Discussion Thread Part 2

[Mage Master]

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b295/Mage-Master/616_symbol_ef0ellebp2.jpg

Set Name: Magic 2012
Three-Letter Abbreviation: M12
Number of Cards: 249
Release Date: July 15, 2011
Prerelease Events: July 9-10, 2011
Launch Parties: July 15-18, 2011
Game Day: August 13-14, 2011

Design Team:
Mark Globus (lead)
Doug Beyer
Aaron Forsythe
Ken Nagle

Development Team:
Tom LaPille (lead)
Kelly Digges
Peter Schaefer
Mike Turian
Steve Warner
Dave Humpherys

[gigan45]

I'm still a little worried about the future of my promo grave titans

[Akio]

if your too worried i wouldn't mind trading for one.:) but on topic I can't wait to see the new Garruk

[~Scourge~]

I'm still a little worried about the future of my promo grave titansThey were confirmed in, if that's what you mean?

[Mage Master]

Can anyone actually link me to something other than the Sally spoiler that say the other Titans are in the set?

[gigan45]

They were confirmed in, if that's what you mean?

Where they? On the last few pages of the last thread people were saying they hadn't been yet

[kane#1]

Can anyone actually link me to something other than the Sally spoiler that say the other Titans are in the set?

here is a visual:

http://www.planeswalkerslibrary.com/m12_visual_spoiler.php

[Mage Master]

So no one can actually link to anything showing that the three other Titans are in the set? Maybe we should all cool our jets on the assumptions until we see some scans.

[Vanguard Veteran]

Sub. So titians are in?

[Oirad]

Has anyone else noticed that Gideon is Mel Gibson?

[Vanguard Veteran]

He hates jews and has a thing for russian whores?

[michelous]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3EYtRgvDnE&feature=channel_video_title

[~Scourge~]

Could've sworn I had seen a twitter about it before. Guess I'm wrong though. Sorry guys. :(

[Uncle_Oj]

Kinda hoping the other Titans aren't in here :o

[Phattmatt27]

Ehh, i just want Grave in, i could care less about the others

[michelous]

Kinda hoping the other Titans aren't in here :o

they LL re

[Siulzen]

Huh?

Both Inferno Titan and Primeval Titan were already confirmed to be in M12. Not to mention that there's a blue card that falls in flavor with Frost Titan called Frost Breath, that depicts said Titan no less.

I think it's a safe assumption that the entire Titan cycle is in M12. It doesn't make any sense for only a few to be in the core set.

[poketo]

Huh?

Both Inferno Titan and Primeval Titan were already confirmed to be in M12. Not to mention that there's a blue card that falls in flavor with Frost Titan called Frost Breath, that depicts said Titan no less.

I think it's a safe assumption that the entire Titan cycle is in M12. It doesn't make any sense for only a few to be in the core set.
Leylines, Planewalkers, breaking patterns, not all cycles that are reprinted are the same (if people understand what I mean), heck i already went on the rant on Alpha's 3 for 1 mana cycle.

[Siulzen]

I guess you're right, but I don't see them not including the whole cycle again.

They just seem too iconic not to be included as a cycle.

Also, I seem to recall an article by MaRo explaining their inclusion in M12. Though he was vague about the whole issue.

[Koshi]

Agreed, MaRo said something about how they were the "face of M11," and he didn't want them to be forgotten yet or something.

[EVO KAI]

Why would the Salvation site include them (Titans) in their spoiler if they weren't certain they were getting reprinted? Wouldn't that be embarrassing on their part?

They must have some kind of info on them...or are they shooting and assuming?

[poketo]

Thing is their abilities are so vauge (excluding the 6/6 for 6 and does something when it enters the battlefield/attacks) that some can easily be changed for some more fitting ideas.

Blue got play for a while with it keeping something tapped for a turn.
White brought back 3 mana permanents which only came into effect when you want to bring artifacts back.

They are the only 2 not seeing as much play right now with blue possibly coming back into play with Caw-titan(?) decks.

Additional Comment:

Why would the Salvation site include them (Titans) in their spoiler if they weren't certain they were getting reprinted? Wouldn't that be embarrassing on their part?

They must have some kind of info on them...or are they shooting and assuming?
Seems like it, they don't have any proof except for they know what the (possible) card's text is because they're assuming it's recycled.

[michelous]

also the m10 duals are back yet again no terramorphic expanse

[Koshi]

They're M11 btw.

[Siulzen]

They're M11 btw.

The lands?

Yeah, but they're also M10.

[Koshi]

Oh arenthey? Interesting...

[poketo]

Oh arenthey? Interesting...
awkward... I'm expecting the last land spot to be Terramorphic Expanse, anyone against that assumption.

[Siulzen]

Oh arenthey? Interesting...

One look in the Gatherer and done. :)

http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Search/Default.aspx?set=[%22Magic%202010%22]&type=+[Land]

[Koshi]

seems decent to me

[Siulzen]

Well we already know O-Ring's back, but I personally didn't know it got promoted to Uncommon so I share:

http://i758.photobucket.com/albums/xx229/S_iulzen/OblivionRing.jpg

That's great for Limited purposes obviously, but I kinda want to get a set of these lol.

The silver is quite captivating. *-*

[Uncle_Oj]

I need to find 2 more so i'm not playing 3 and a foil lol.

[gigan45]

awkward... I'm expecting the last land spot to be Terramorphic Expanse, anyone against that assumption.

They should do Evolving Wilds instead

[Phattmatt27]

Its not like it really matters, they both do the exact same thing...

[Mage Master]

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b295/Mage-Master/chandra.jpg

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b295/Mage-Master/sundial.jpg

[Siulzen]

OMG new Chandra!

I WANT!

I WANT IT NAO!

[Gatsby]

http://i.imgur.com/9c6E9.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/7feBI.jpg

[Gatsby]

http://i.imgur.com/b87w7.jpg

[~Scourge~]

Love new Fog artwork, chandra, and that artifact.

[poketo]

Let's see Chandra
Ping, Copy, 666, ok we are fine for a 4 mana planewalker.

Sundial: fun for casual?

[EVO KAI]

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b295/Mage-Master/chandra.jpg
[/IMG]

Haha...I was close in thought & theory. :D

http://i52.tinypic.com/ac6cdx.jpg

[NoirLamia]

I'm content with the new Chandra, I just think her face is hideous.

[EVO KAI]

I'm content with the new Chandra, I just think her face is hideous.

Lol...me too. So many other fantastic images of her I've seen and they choose that.

[Siulzen]

Must get playset!

[NoirLamia]

Lol...me too. So many other fantastic images of her I've seen and they choose that.

Hehe yea, I remember when the Chandra novel first came out and there was an alt art promo card with the cover artwork for her I was pissed. That art is so awesome!

[EVO KAI]

I'm going to try and get a playset but with some altered art...at least the face. :p

[Mage Master]

I really don't get all the hate for Chandra's art. I actually quite like it.

[EVO KAI]

She looks like she wants to say, "I dunno"....

[Siulzen]

She would've looked much more epic if they had used this art:

http://i758.photobucket.com/albums/xx229/S_iulzen/Chandra.png

Additional Comment:

I really don't get all the hate for Chandra's art. I actually quite like it.

She looks perfectly fine to me, but her art on the core set box is simply just stunning. <3

[EVO KAI]

That one and there's another image of her from DOTP I can't seem to find that looks amazing.

EDIT: Found it! Tell me that wouldn't have looked sooo much better.

http://i53.tinypic.com/2vn2khk.jpg

[l0k13]

That chandra is begging for a Twincast with storm. However, even without it I still Foresee many time stretches in my future.

[NoirLamia]

I really don't get all the hate for Chandra's art. I actually quite like it.

The art is amazing, it's just her face. I'm not a fan of moles, she has a monroe and I'm glad the card is small enough that I can hardly notice it. Look on the enlarged art version and you'll definitely see it.

Compositionally though it's an amazing piece, great sense of shadows and highlights. Flames look hot! I'm still anticipating getting my foil copy.

[Red Ryu]

I like that Chandra, pinger is ok but copying lightning bolts and such is great.

[EVO KAI]

BTW, anyone else notice the flames coming up and over the top and out of the frame, towards the mana cost. I never noticed this before with any of the other planeswalkers.

Maybe I just never bothered to look. :o

EDIT: Nevermind...I just did a little research and noticed this kind of thing on almost every planeswalker, lol. Doh!

[BankaiAlucard]

Chandra I like. So much potential in all sorts of burn decks

[Siulzen]

That one and there's another image of her from DOTP I can't seem to find that looks amazing.

EDIT: Found it! Tell me that wouldn't have looked sooo much better.

http://i53.tinypic.com/2vn2khk.jpg

Now that's hot in every sense of the word. O_O

Additional Comment:

Chandra I like. So much potential in all sorts of decks

Had to fix this. :p

[EVO KAI]

Her eyes....

They just scream, "your screwed!"

[MercenaryBDU]

Chandra's spoiler art from the start was for a new version afterall.

I might fetch a pair of it when the price is right.

The card is pretty solid if anyone is planning to play a Sligh deck in the near future. It also fits in other decks but I find it most useful in there with Koth to back her up. So now there are two additional possible versions of the same card to be used for a future volume 2 of Jace versus Chandra.

[BankaiAlucard]

That one and there's another image of her from DOTP I can't seem to find that looks amazing.

EDIT: Found it! Tell me that wouldn't have looked sooo much better.

http://i53.tinypic.com/2vn2khk.jpg

That looks is good

TOASTY!!!!!

[Lance DeVrai]

Subscribing. I'll go read the spoiler and catch up later today.

[kane#1]

I'm content with the new Chandra, I just think her face is hideous.


HAHA IKR she looks like she just got braces XD

[Mockingbird]

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b295/Mage-Master/sundial.jpg

This is one of those cards that just screams for abuse, and not just with Pact of the Titan making 117 4/4 tokens. I just don't know how yet.

The new Chandra is awesome for me. In addition to now being a pinger instead of a nuisance, she also has a Pyromancer Ascension effect (which I'm sure will be used at least sideboarded now that Jace, the Mind Sculptor is gone), and it'll be a lot of fun in EDHC.

[kane#1]

Do i speak for all impacient magic players, when i say: "after seeing the new chandra, i almost ignore and just anxiouly await garruk, despite the fact that the card may be broken and or really good, im always waiting till you shove another new rare in my face."

[Lance DeVrai]

Sundial lets you get your spells in. Opponent wants to counter? 1 mana and it's countered. Risky play if you're non-instant heavy in your deck but this can be played around.

[Dunjohn]

Sundial lets you get your spells in. Opponent wants to counter? 1 mana and it's countered. Risky play if you're non-instant heavy in your deck but this can be played around.
That also counters your spell.

[megacloud]

The art on chandra could have been better, but I really like the effect now for garruk...

[Oirad]

I thought so... so could it have any real use/abuse?

On other topic... Yay for Chandra, and congrats to her for being the first planeswalker to have only one mana symbol in her cost. With her and the red enchantment that lets creatures Deal Damage as they enter... A decent Garruk and it'd make for an interesting G/R deck, I think...

[solsethmatt]

I really like what they did with chandra, I just wish that she was more aggressive. That said she is a phenomenal control card imo. Big red will love it.

[Lance DeVrai]

That also counters your spell.

Hmm... yeah, I don't see a use for it now.

[solsethmatt]

I enjoy weird cards like the sundial. But I am pissed when I open them in packs

[Lance DeVrai]

I'd enjoy it if I could find a use for it. Which makes me ask 2 things:

1 - What was it made for?
2 - Why the hell is it a rare?

[michelous]

sundial is pretty sick it is a infinite fog

Additional Comment:

i re-read it it sucks

[Gatsby]

It's one of those cards with obscure applications. I guess you can use it in standard to keep token made by Mimic Vat or permanently exile stuff with Glimmerpoint Stag.

[Dunjohn]

Yeah, never having End of Turn triggers go off would be useful. Not tournament-useful, but probably Amulet of Vigor useful. Like the Amulet, it's a card I'll be grabbing a couple of just in case.

And there's always the chance that something will come along to break it.

[poketo]

So basicly, make sure you play the stack correctly and use only during endstep

[Gatsby]

http://i.imgur.com/3LlAh.jpg

Source (http://www.blackborder.com/q/node/12353)

[Lance DeVrai]

Oh **** That's Awesome.

[michelous]

mono black control will be even sicker

[Gatsby]

You're pretty much golden if you have Solemn Simulacrum on the field.

[poketo]

A card that will get people to hate you in a multiplayer if you do it to soon.

[Mage Master]

Smallpox, sweet.

[kane#1]

Smallpox, sweet.


i second this

[l0k13]

Pox would have been better for demonstrating how magic players cannot do simple math =D

[Uncle_Oj]

xD That would've been hilarious.

[JayB]

anyone see the artwork on Call to the Grave that artwork is amazing aha. Kinda dissapointed with chandra :/ Third Chandra in a row that won't do anything lol. maybe 2 in my kuldotha deck just cause shes the cheapest planeswalker aha

Additional Comment:

P.s - i also like Buried Ruin Colorless Academy Ruins sounds pretty good to me aha

[Mage Master]

Buried Ruin in every EDH deck ever.

[JayB]

lmfao turns into another homeward path. Idk tbh M12 looks like it uses the graveyard pretty heavy as well im looking to make a black / white deck using

Archon of Justice
Rune-Scarred Demon

Those cards are completely brutal

5 mana for justice then just keep bouncing him lmao same with the Demon.

[NoirLamia]

I actually prefer the Scourge art for Call to the Grave.

[LegacyDan]

Smallpox, sweet.

HOLY MOTHER ******* JESUS JUMPING **** OF SATAN'S LEFT TESTICLE!!!!!!

I mean, Smallpox. Cool, whatever.

[JayB]

That Sundial card would it work with Rings of Brighthearth?

[Siulzen]

http://i.imgur.com/3LlAh.jpg

Source (http://www.blackborder.com/q/node/12353)

o_O

This is a reprint?

Good lord....

[JayB]

Pox would have been funnier i agree lol but damn man 2 mana for all that. R.I.P - Geth's Verdict , Diabolic Edict aha

[Mage Master]

It's not as good as you probably think it is. It's a pretty big tempo loss for both players.

[Vanguard Veteran]

People here are so easily excited.

[JayB]

ya but for turn 2 if your playing black an your running that card im thinking your hitting off a suicide black deck lol. A card like that is just like.. wow aha + if innistrad is reanimator.... nvm im not gonna rant on this again lmao i got high hopes for the next block lmao

[Mage Master]

So you put yourself behind to deal with their turn two "threat"? Please tell me I'm not the only one who sees the problem with that plan.

[Siulzen]

It's not as good as you probably think it is. It's a pretty big tempo loss for both players.

It's more of a build around me card, right?

Where the goal is obviously to mitigate the Backlash of the card.

That's still quite the card. o_o

[Mage Master]

Yeah, in Legacy you run it with Pox, Nether Spirit, Crucible, Mox, etc to mitigate the card disadvantage as much as possible.

[michelous]

It's not as good as you probably think it is. It's a pretty big tempo loss for both players.
if you are using aggro and your opponent is a slower deck it is a bigger loss for them

[JayB]

think of it this way you have Archon of Justice in play (yes i know my fav card lol) you drop Smallpox you sacrifice Archon of Justice , discard rune-scarred Demon , lose 1 life , an a land. Turn three you play your reprinted Reanimate lmao gg ... lol =]

[michelous]

Reanimate (http://magic.tcgplayer.com/db/magic_single_card.asp?cn=Reanimate&partner=POJO) isn't coming back

[Mage Master]

Yeah, so let's stop talking about it like it is.

[JayB]

i can dream can't i? lol

[Mage Master]

You can dream but not in a thread about M12. Especially not when it start to detract from the actual topic of the thread.

[Siulzen]

Yeah, in Legacy you run it with Pox, Nether Spirit, Crucible, Mox, etc to mitigate the card disadvantage as much as possible.

Damn at Pox lol....

I don't know much about the decks played in Legacy so the info is greatly appreciated.

[JayB]

sorry i get caught up with that aha

i think Skinshifter its pretty cool too technically 3 mana for a 4/4 trample or a 0/8 is like ridic aha

[LegacyDan]

It's not as good as you probably think it is. It's a pretty big tempo loss for both players.

Smallpox is actually a very powerful card. And with Solemn Simulacrum being in the same set, it basically only loses you one life while costing the other player much more.

[michelous]

http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=120761&stc=1&d=1309461187
sorin's rare card + sorin + sick

[Vanguard Veteran]

You people like your situational combos with lackluster effects don't ya?

[Mage Master]

You people like your situational combos with lackluster effects don't ya?
That's something I've noticed too.

[JayB]

http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=120761&stc=1&d=1309461187
sorin's rare card + sorin + sick

What card is called Sick? lol jp

wow i can't believe i missed that that's going in my edh deck aha that's nuts an ya but good luck getting all that mana in any other format aha maybe vintage with a Fork lol

but that card is pretty brutal an the artwork is flawless its just ashame its a sorcery :/

[Siulzen]

http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=120761&stc=1&d=1309461187
sorin's rare card + sorin + sick

Cute.

Nice artwork and flavor text though.

[Oirad]

I'm Sorry, a little off topic, but I see this expression used by many users here, many times "lmao" what does that mean?? I can't figure it out by the context :S

[Siulzen]

I'm Sorry, a little off topic, but I see this expression used by many users here, many times "lmao" what does that mean?? I can't figure it out by the context :S

Laugh(ing) my a** off.

[LegacyDan]

http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=120761&stc=1&d=1309461187
sorin's rare card + sorin + sick

The card is flavorful and might be useful in limited events. However, "sick" it really isn't.


....although using Chandra's (the new one) -2 ability would be pretty funny with it.

[~Scourge~]

For those times when you just keep topdecking in limited @ Sorin's rare.

[LegacyDan]

Well, if the pack isn't too stellar its decent. But I really don't see it getting picked before 4th or 5th pass.

[Dunjohn]

I used Smallpox back when it was first printed, I ran mono-black for the whole year because I was so psyched about Phyrexian Negator's return in the form of Phyrexian Totem. Negator's my all-time favourite creature, y'see. And with Obliterator and now Smallpox, I really don't have a choice anymore....

Anyhow, yes, Smallpox is very difficult to use, and it's not as brilliant as it seems. I liked to drop it on turn 2 because no opponent would think I was that stupid, and it could work if I had enough redundancy in my hand. That redundancy is the trouble - it obviously means running a slightly weaker, more diluted deck on that gamble that the T2 Smallpox happens and that it's disruptive enough. The Time Spiral/Ravnica environment also helped - mono-black decks were genuinely rogue, and as well as leaving opponent guessing what I was up to, that early land kill could badly mess up the opponent's multicolour mana base. Goblin decks also didn't exist. A modern Goblin deck will barely notice a T2 Smallpox.

Later on, Smallpox isn't really going to do much, the opponent is just going to drop stuff they don't need.

So yeah, I'm going to give mono-blue mill a rest once M12 breaks and try mono-black again, and I'll definitely try Smallpox, but that deck slot has way the hell more competition today than it did five years ago.

[MercenaryBDU]

Smallpox is getting another arted version. That is a much better representation of what the card is all about than some guy having his face biohazarded off.

['Heroic']

I really like the flavor text on Sorin's Vengeance.

[marhawkman]

huh, I played Smallpox in time Spiral with madness and Dimir stuff. The land with Dredge came in really handy. :)

[JayB]

Sorin's Vengeance is good... In EDH... maybe draft too i dont see it having any play in standard unless there's some big mana ramp card that hasn't been released lol (Laughing Out Loud) :PP

[michelous]

Sorin's Vengeance is good... In EDH... maybe draft too i dont see it having any play in standard unless there's some big mana ramp card that hasn't been released lol (Laughing Out Loud) :PP

Primeval Titan (http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=205027)use post post rotation

[Siulzen]

http://i758.photobucket.com/albums/xx229/S_iulzen/CarnageWurm.jpg

Carnage Wurm
Bloodthirst 3
Trample

WOOT More Limited goodness!

Source (http://www.rebellion.es/magicrebel/articulo.php?idNoticia=2931)

[Oirad]

Although "lol" I already knew, thanks for that clarification JayB :)

Sierpe de la matanza... feels weird seeing a spanish version in here... heck, I've been playing it in english for so long, it feels weird to read "Sed de sangre" instead of Bloodthirst XD

But anyway, yup, pretty good for limited... I didn't understand the existense of these kind of cards until I gave limited a try...

[Koshi]

@Oirad - Yeah, I didn't understand why they printed Craw Wurm/Flameborn Viron esque-cards until I gave Drafting a whirl, during which I drafted MonoRed Dinosaurs, lol.

[Mockingbird]

So you put yourself behind to deal with their turn two "threat"? Please tell me I'm not the only one who sees the problem with that plan.
That's not how you play Smallpox. You play Smallpox in a deck that is meant to be win a war of total Attrition (and no, not in the Event deck sense). The goal of MBS (mono-black Smallpox) is to wear down all resources and then bounce back before your opponent and win. Kind of like Phyrexians... who just got half a block dedicated to them.

[Mage Master]

The problem is that there's no evidence that such a deck is even viable in Standard (which is what we were talking about, I play Pox in Legacy so I know how the deck works) right now.

[Mockingbird]

The problem is that there's no evidence that such a deck is even viable in Standard (which is what we were talking about, I play Pox in Legacy so I know how the deck works) right now.

Yeah, I've noticed that as well. Well, let's see, there's Elixir of Immortality, Bloodghast, soon to be Solemn Simulacrum, Sign in Blood, if the mana could actually get to six, then Wurmcoil Engine and Grave Titan would be awesome... but then you really don't need them if you're planning to get that high in mana anyway.

Oh, perhaps tech green for Viridian Emissary and some other green ramp and recovery options?

[JayB]

Primeval Titan (http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=205027)use post post rotation

ya but now your required to play 2 colors just to make an opponent lose 10 life lol doesnt pay off


an ya i know you knew what lol meant just messing aha

[LegacyDan]

While I usually side with MM, I must agree with Mockingbird. Pox is one of those cards that tends to have a deck built around it. Only time will truely tell if the card will be good in the upcoming Standard season, but I also know More people than the couple of us have their eyes on breaking Smallpox.


.... I just hope I can find the right 71 cards to go with it before GP Pittsburgh comes around ....

[marhawkman]

The problem is that there's no evidence that such a deck is even viable in Standard (which is what we were talking about, I play Pox in Legacy so I know how the deck works) right now.The one I made in Time Spiral used a strategy that revolved around replenishment of resources. Madness cards to let me play what I have to discard, ETB effects to allow me to get my money's worth out of my creatures before sacing, and blight speaker to give me more creatures.

[Koshi]

And what cards in Standard do you have that do any of those?

[Oirad]

Titanic Growth and Shock! (¿¿??) Seriously though, maybe it's not too crazy to conider posibilities in Innirstrad (or whoever it's spelled)... but yeah, as far as M12 goes...

[JayB]

Hey everyone if you wanna see the artwork for M12 i redid mtgsalvations spoiler links in my sig in the chatroom click mtg spoilers you can view all the new artwork for the cards that have been released if this isn't aloud let me know just trying to share the spoiler =]

[Koshi]

Yeah, Innistrad may be favorable for MBC to rise, lol. I don't recall which article it was, but MaRo said something about how players always try to play it, and even HE would be satisfied to see it become Tier 1.

[poketo]

They posted Garruk (I'm not downloading it onto my computer to post, someone else can do it) but I like the -3 in Eldrazi/Valakut.

[Mage Master]

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b295/Mage-Master/garruk.jpg

Source (http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/ld/149)

[JayB]

its last ability is just... smh wow in edh aha even its second ability is nasty.... the whole card is sick... i just wish it was black / green

[poketo]

They also say Volcanic Dragon is back if you read CoD.

[JayB]

An the artwork sucks :/

[Siulzen]

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b295/Mage-Master/garruk.jpg

I couldn't stop looking at the card when I saw it in the article lol.

New Garruk is awesome. Costly, but awesome.

And for what you're using him in he's not that costly at all.

3/3s while increasing loyalty?

At the very least you draw 3 cards with his second ability?

Absolutely ridiculous but win moar ultimate?

Chandra's great for being splashable, but Garruk is pretty much bursting with flavor.

No ramp is odd, but creature-based draw is something they've been doing as of late with green and Garruk does it best.

Oh yeah I'm liking new Garruk a lot.

[poketo]

No ramp is odd
Nah, he costs 5 mana if you need ramp and you have him in play you must have a weird curve.

[Siulzen]

Nah, he costs 5 mana if you need ramp if you have him in play you must have a weird curve.

I mentioned it more for the fact that he's a green planeswalker and the fact that the original Garruk untapped lands, but your point still stands.

I always pictured Garruk to be more of a token guy anyway and that's exactly what this new one is lol.

Additional Comment:

First part of the Empire artifact trio complete:

http://i758.photobucket.com/albums/xx229/S_iulzen/scepter.png

Source (https://www.facebook.com/MagicTheGathering?sk=app_230990200246470)

Additional Comment:

http://i758.photobucket.com/albums/xx229/S_iulzen/grand_abolisher.jpg

Source (http://www.starcitygames.com/magic/standard/22229_The_Magic_Show_235_M12_Spoiler_Time.html)

Whoa momma!

Something tells me this is another very old card on a stick again, but I don't know which one lol.

Card's really good though. Art and everything.

[poketo]

He's kind of like Silence (I'll keel you)

[Koshi]

I like it, lol.

[Mockingbird]

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b295/Mage-Master/garruk.jpg

I'm going to go ahead and make a controversial claim: this Garruk could be better than Jace, the Mind Sculptor. He protects himself. Old Garruk was good, but this one I suspect will have some success having a deck built around himself.

+1: You get a 3/3 Beast. Protecting himself while he's climbing up in loyalty is one of the big things that made Jace worthwhile. It's also why whenever anyone says Elspeth, they think Elpseth, Knight-Errant, and despite being less circulated, her Scars incarnate Elpseth Tirel holds about half value.

-3: Drawing a lot of cards: Self-explanatory. Although, yes, I know not nearly as effective as Jace's Brainstorm because that Brainstorm was free (but for the loyalty, you get to keep all the cards you draw), while this will cost a lot... either death or a long climb back up the ladder... it's a ladder filled with Beast tokens. And also with a new hand

-6: Get a $#!&-load 6/6 Wurm Tokens. This is similar to Tezzeret going ultimate in that your opponent will lose fast if they don't do anything about it... only, let's face, not nearly as game sealing because even Ratchet Bomb would make fast work of them. But given all the still legal Planeswalkers, I personally think that the next closest self-game finishing planeswalker is Tezzeret, which requires a lot more set-up than this. Garruk is entirely self-reliant. Theoretically, making three 3/3 tokens, Garruk only needs to pump out two Wurms.


Now, yes, I know, he costs five, which over the ideal place to cast any planeswalker. But I'll be honest, if a player can't casting him turn 2-3 with Zendikar in Standard or Turn 4 when it's out, they better be playing blue because otherwise they're playing the deck wrong.

Final note, do I think he'll warp the format like Jace? Absolutely not. After the mess that Jace left in Standard, I doubt we'll ever see Oblivion Ring or some similar effect leave Standard ever again, and I can see where they held Garruk back a little in the numbers. Also, I really look forward to using Doubling Season with him.

[Koshi]

Actually, that will prevent a lot of EoT effects lol, and counters will become worthless against WW. Can't wait to get a playset!

[Mage Master]

Better than Jace but not format warping like Jace? Explain please.

[Siulzen]

Thanks for adding the source, Gatsby.

I forgot. :o

So reading that article on StarCity really helped identify the cleric dude with its old Instant speed counterpart: Abeyance.

City of Solitude if you want a permanent example, but that's green instead of white.

[Koshi]

New Garruk's even better, because he can use his -3 right off the bat. So Garruk use +1, next turn Primeval, swing 3, next turn do crazy damage, -3 Garruk and draw 6.
Or even, using Titanic Growth in any deck with him, for an instant draw +4?

[EVO KAI]

http://i758.photobucket.com/albums/xx229/S_iulzen/grand_abolisher.jpg

Source (http://www.starcitygames.com/magic/standard/22229_The_Magic_Show_235_M12_Spoiler_Time.html)

OMG!

That is purdy indeed.

[Siulzen]

Better than Jace TMS is a very big controversial claim indeed, Mockingbird.

I personally disagree with that claim, but I still recognize the card as being very good at what it does.

The 6/6 Wurm production though.....I don't see that being used over the second ability very often. It seems way too win moar in my eyes.

Epic, but win moar.

[Koshi]

Looks pretty sick, too.

Additional Comment:

@Siulzen - I would just keep +1'ing him every turn, 3/3's are pretty great too. And if you need to refill hand, -3 him lol.

[Gatsby]

@Siulzen: No problemo.

Garruk is decent but it isn't format defining. Drawing in green is always welcomed (in all color, I guess).

We probably getting a spoiler tomorrow.

[Mage Master]

You mean we're probably getting a spoiler today since it's Friday.

[EVO KAI]

I hope I'm wrong but I see that Cleric fetching some big dollars.

[Gatsby]

I doubt Grand Abolisher will be expensive. It'll be like Leonin Arbiter.

[Mage Master]

I'd agree if it were Mythic.

[Siulzen]

@Siulzen - I would just keep +1'ing him every turn, 3/3's are pretty great too. And if you need to refill hand, -3 him lol.

It's the general idea I see with him as well.

3/3s on +1 loyalty is great.

Additional Comment:

I'd agree if it were Mythic.

Thank goodness it ain't then.

[Mockingbird]

Better than Jace but not format warping like Jace? Explain please.
It means I contradicted myself because I realized I was wrong about halfway through my post but forgot to go back and change it. Garruk can't Peek at the top card of a players deck and put Oblivion Ring on the bottom. But that's not to say people will not try to prove me right... or wrong (since I claimed both sides)... and I know people will at least try to make him awesome.

Wait a minute, I did that wrong. I was suppose to come up with some convoluted logic that makes no sense, defend it poorly, and then descend into a flamewar that would get me banned for a week. Stupid desire for a decent reputation.

[EVO KAI]

I doubt Grand Abolisher will be expensive. It'll be like Leonin Arbiter.

Leon Arbiter is nowhere near that Clerics level though. IMO. He can be useful in all kinds of WW decks. From aggro to control.

[Mage Master]

@Mockingbird- Now this guy, this guy I like.

[Siulzen]

@Mockingbird: At least you have a sense of humor lol.

[Gatsby]

Leon Arbiter is nowhere near that Clerics level though. IMO. He can be useful in all kinds of WW decks. From aggro to control.

Well, if you cast it, you got at least one turn where your stuff won't be countered because there's no way he surviving on your opponent's turn.

[Mage Master]

General warning to everyone; keep the spam to a minimum. We're not that hard on you but it's starting to get a little bit annoying now.

[Siulzen]

Well, if you cast it, you got at least one turn where your stuff won't be countered because there's no way he surviving on your opponent's turn.

That might just be enough to throw them off their game though.

Pack multiples of this guy and I'm pretty sure they'll be feeling the pressure, it costing only 2 to cast and all.

[EVO KAI]

Well, if you cast it, you got at least one turn where your stuff won't be countered because there's no way he surviving on your opponent's turn.

Lol...no doubt.

I'm going to pick up a set and run him all day. I'm digging him big time.

[Koshi]

Yeah, WW is going to be pretty great. Leonin Arbiter, this guy, Puresteel Paladin, Mirran Crusader, and a full suite of Sword's.
I'm feelin' Weenies, how about you guys?!

[Gatsby]

We'll see, we'll see. Just remember Slagstorm is still in standard. :]

[poketo]

Now you need the one mana creatures to actually make white weenie, white weenie.

I think there might be 2 different versions like elves has in Legacy

[EVO KAI]

We'll see, we'll see. Just remember Slagstorm is still in standard. :]
But so is Brave the Elements. ;p

[JayB]

Grand Abolisher is actually pretty nuts they can't even activate abilities. That card will hit a nice amount

[poketo]

Maybe GW and use leyline?

[JayB]

this core set is ridiculous only things its missing is the leylines. Got titans new planeswalkers an all these pretty badass cards for my beautiful edh deck aha

[Koshi]

this core set is ridiculous only things its missing is the leylines. Got titans new planeswalkers an all these pretty badass cards for my beautiful edh deck aha


someones changed their mind >.>

[Gatsby]

http://i.imgur.com/0dkoE.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/2hVoS.jpg

Source (http://mtgcast.com/?p=15164)

[gigan45]

someones changed their mind >.>

must have seen that arachnus spider lol

Additional Comment:

I feel like i need to build some kind of spider deck now

[Koshi]

Agreed, lol. This should have all been released during Caw's era!

['Heroic']

Grand Abolisher's flavor text makes me think of Mage Master.

[Mage Master]

I don't get it.

[Koshi]

Neither do I.
Interesting.

[Fallen Monk Zanba]

Hurray, finally some support to tie the Spider types together into a nice web of a deck. ^ ^ It may end up like one of those themes that everyone considers building someday in the back of their minds (yet 97% never get around to it).

[Koshi]

Hurray, finally some support to tie the Spider types together into a nice web of a deck. ^ ^ It may end up like one of those themes that everyone considers building someday in the back of their minds (yet 97% never get around to it).

I enjoy that little play on words, lol.

[Vanguard Veteran]

Grand Abolisher is a nice control card.

[MercenaryBDU]

I mentioned it more for the fact that he's a green planeswalker and the fact that the original Garruk untapped lands, but your point still stands.

I always pictured Garruk to be more of a token guy anyway and that's exactly what this new one is lol.

Additional Comment:

First part of the Empire artifact trio complete:

http://i758.photobucket.com/albums/xx229/S_iulzen/scepter.png

Source (https://www.facebook.com/MagicTheGathering?sk=app_230990200246470)

Additional Comment:

http://i758.photobucket.com/albums/xx229/S_iulzen/grand_abolisher.jpg

Source (http://www.starcitygames.com/magic/standard/22229_The_Magic_Show_235_M12_Spoiler_Time.html)

Whoa momma!

Something tells me this is another very old card on a stick again, but I don't know which one lol.

Card's really good though. Art and everything.

These recent bombshells are rather interesting.

The Scepter demonstrates that Wizards is going back to form with their trons. Its rare these days for Wizards to do such things when it only attracts a small amount of players opposed to the many on individual things.

That White card is going to be a real killer against decks that love to move too fast. It just shows to us that Wizards is listening to the eternal crowd about what has been going on in our neck of the woods followed up by following through on their promises to give us more playable cards.

Oh and Garrak 2.0 is going to be very playable in monogreen regardless of format. It makes things happen which I like and it's ultimate just blows me away.

[Siulzen]

http://i.imgur.com/0dkoE.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/2hVoS.jpg

Source (http://mtgcast.com/?p=15164)
That's.....pretty cool actually. :O

[silver phoenix]

http://www.black-lotus.nl/mtg/lg/M12/_Chandra_the_Firebrand_2.jpg

New Chandra, I think I might actualy try running her in Pyromancer Ascension due to her -2 ability but the other abilities aren't that good. I think most people will still run Koth over her just about anywhere.

Edit: whoops, hadn't seen it on first page, I should learn to look better before I post.

Edit2: Haven't seen this posted yet:

http://www.black-lotus.nl/mtg/lg/M12/_Jace_Memory_Adept_3.jpg

I personaly think Beleren was better than this, this costs two extra mana and only adds a few Mill abilities, tough the 0 one could of course kill in 5 turns (assuming your opponent runs exactly 60 cards).

[Dunjohn]

This is part 2 of a thread that hit 1000 posts and had to be closed. Any card that has been revealed for more than a few hours will already be known to most people.

But while all three new planeswalkers are here, I'll mention that Jace is my pick of them.

[Koshi]

PyroTwin might actually have a replacement for our JtMS that we recently lost, lol. I mean, Preordain, dig for like 20? Yes please!

[Gatsby]

http://i.imgur.com/iEnn0.jpg

Sutured Ghoul

Source (http://www.mtgfrance.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=23503)

[.:Fighter:.]

Dang, I was just about to post that...

Return of Dredgevine? Have it as a back-up plan, just exile a couple of vines or whateverand you've got yourself a beatstick.

[Gatsby]

I wouldn't want to exile Vengevine when Bonehoard is cheaper to cast with a similar effect.

[Fallen Monk Zanba]

I enjoy that little play on words, lol.

Hahah, glad you enjoyed it. In hindsight, I should have said something a little more graceful, such as "weave a deck" or something like that.

More on topic, words can never describe how happy I am to receive more zombie support. That one is going into my EDH deck for certain.

[Koshi]

I'm going to try & break the 2cc Enchant, lol. IT WILL BE DONE!

[Uncle_Oj]

So much posted since I left so I'm just going to summarize(as if anyone cares lol)

Garruk: Ho-ly @#$%. Going to kinda miss the insta-Overrun but now Garruk is what I always pictured him to be. A creature spamming, land living, SOB.

Abolisher: Yes. That is all.

Ghoul: This look like this could be a lot of fun in the right kind of deck. Def. gonna grab a few at the release.

Scepter: Ok that's much better than what I saw the other day. Tap to bolt something is always nice.

Spinner/Web: Always wanted to make Spiders. Now I have a jumping off point.

[michelous]

at worst Garruk will draw you 3-6 cards

[Gatsby]

Cemetery Reaper is back.

Source (http://puremtgo.com/articles/state-program-has-m12-spoilers)

[JayB]

lol Grand Abolisher + Rune-Scarred Demon + Angelic Destiny Deff my favorite cards of the new set... so far

Yes, i was ranting this set sucked. Because blue i still think the blue cards have the most power. That's really the only thing that irritates me :P

[Oirad]

Garruk is pretty cool but nowhere near invincible, there are just too many ways to deal with him to say that. He only protects himself from creature based attacks (and non flyers, that is). As someone said there's Ratchet Bomb for his tokens... even another green decks will be happy to give you a 3/3 and blow him up. Not saying that it's not good, because it is, but he's far from NO DECK SHALL BEAT ME :P actually most have a couple of ways...

Cool spider, wished there were more playable little spiders... and the WW guy is pretty great, wish Silence was around too, that'd be a fun combo to play...

Still, WW crazyness, Garruk and his Hords and all that... let us keep in mind that Day of Judgement is still here... because, it's in M12 right? They wouldn't...

[Koshi]

Eh, idk. The WW Abolisher says NO to instant-speed stuff. No VoB at EoT or anything.

[marhawkman]

And what cards in Standard do you have that do any of those?Etb effects? plenty. Effects that trigger on dying? plenty. Madness? no. Self recurring lands? no. Black cards that let you draw stuff? plenty.

So it is at least mostly workable. Obviously I'd need to modify the deck heavily, but I could still play something similar.I feel like i need to build some kind of spider deck nowI know what you mean. I've been missing playing a rat deck since the Nezumi rotated out of standard.

[Koshi]

I still play Relentless Rats. ;D

[Uncle_Oj]

Lol I love Relentless Rats.

[kane#1]

In what world is grand abolisher fair?!!! and the new garruk is really iffy, though his ultimate + elspath ultimate = win.

[Mage Master]

In the world where you Shock it on your turn. Garruk is actually the best of the three new Planeswalkers if you actually stop and think about it.

[Oirad]

I easily agree about Jace (And still I say: I believe that the guy can be decent, just that the deck will be narrow and tight); now I'm not so sure it's better than Chandra... so if you care to elaborate, I'd be happy to learn some :)

[Uncle_Oj]

Really all 3 need their own deck.

[kane#1]

I easily agree about Jace (And still I say: I believe that the guy can be decent, just that the deck will be narrow and tight); now I'm not so sure it's better than Chandra... so if you care to elaborate, I'd be happy to learn some :)


here is an elaboration you cant argue with, chandra is queen :)

http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtg%2Fdaily%2Ftd%2F149

[Wilren]

I'm not entirely sold on Garruk3 yet. The first ability is quite nice and fits his style perfectly, but for the price he's only viable in a specific decktype (although, again, said deck fits his style perfectly), and if your opponent isn't able to deal with him fast enough to prevent his -6 from going off...umm, shouldn't you have flattened them by that point anyway?

Garruk just feels more like a 50/50 mix of "additional resource" and "backup plan" for a ramp-heavy deck to me.

I think I'll stick with Chandra3 for my pick of "best new M12 PW," Mage.

[poketo]

here is an elaboration you cant argue with, chandra is queen :)

http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtg%2Fdaily%2Ftd%2F149
LOL I think I'm going to cry for how much I am laughing.

You are referring to the same guy that said Jace wouldn't get banned a week before he did.

[kane#1]

LOL I think I'm going to cry for how much I am laughing.

You are referring to the same guy that said Jace wouldn't get banned a week before he did.


Gee, i actually thought he made some good points on the card, and if that opinion is different from yours, you dont need to be mean :p

[l0k13]

What a strange world. Chandra goes in for ramp, garruk for card draw, and jace in the trash mythic pile (hello there Sarkhan Vol).

I am not quite sure if I like grand abolisher or not. On one hand, he shuts down a lot of things, but is harder on the mana and can be countered itself. Not quite the souped up Vexing Shusher I would have liked.

Oh and that spider is straight-up baller. Body size is not bad, the effect is relevant since you can search graveyard, and goes in a direction creatures normally do not venture in. Well done wizards.

[michelous]

jace is good since it looks like dredge will be back in innastad

[Gatsby]

jace is good since it looks like dredge will be back in innastad

What makes you say that?

[Phattmatt27]

baseless thoughts, Duh!

[Mage Master]

Why do you people Insist on linking to Mike Flores articles when trying to justify your views? The guy is horrible at talking about competitive Magic.

[Siulzen]

Why do you people Insist on linking to Mike Flores articles when trying to justify your views? The guy is horrible at talking about competitive Magic.

To be fair, he does have some points worth noting.

He's hardly the spokesperson of competitive MTG to be following though.

More often than not I feel he just tries to sell it to the readers, but then again that's part of the job.

[poketo]

Wizards kinda likes to hide some parts of the meta game like what got t16/32 lists which may have the same record as the t8.

[JayB]

Garruk is definetely the best planeswalker out of all 3 that have been released. Your playing green mana shouldn't be a issue even in standard you should be able to play him turn 3-4 if its the right deck. Maybe sooner depending on what the following sets bring. Jace has ZERO protection abilities (Every planeswalker ever released has atleast 1 ability to protect itself against harm) jace has ZERO. Chandras only good cause its an immediate turn 3 drop which goes with red pretty good as red is usually pretty fast as well. Saying that chandra is better then garruk is definetely misleading. Especially when chandras only useful ability is her second ability. Compared to garruk which every single one of his abilitys are just ridiculous.

Additional Comment:

Why do you people Insist on linking to Mike Flores articles when trying to justify your views? The guy is horrible at talking about competitive Magic.

An this right here made my day lmao. Btw mage check out the link in the sig now i added ALOT of stuff. An updated the M12 spoiler of course

[l0k13]

I'm not so sure about garruk. Triple green is a very tough cost, and much like Jugan, the Rising Star, it cannot really be used outside of mono green. The abilities are good but the cost is ... ugh. He'll see play for sure, just not as much as what people would think.

Chandra is easier to splash, and Twincast scales well with spells. I for one am looking forward to double Time Stretch or Cruel Ultimatum. Hell double sorin's vengeance sounds like a sweet deal too.

[JayB]

ya an now look at how much mana you spent right there. It all add's up the same lol. Garruk shouldnt be hard getting out like you said mono green. Which is filled with

Primeval Titan
Llanowar Elves
Cultivate
Explore

The list goes on (I dont have time to look up all these cards :P)

But garruk is Beast.

Chandra is good don't get me wrong her mana is amazing. However her abilitys arent all that great unless you plan on using her as a kill card with her second ability. An if your gonna go all the way out of your way to splash red you might as well just splash in twincasts

[Wilren]

On her own, yeah, Chandra's not much to whoop and holler about...how she works in conjunction with a lot of other stuff, however, is what I like about her.

Also, I don't think we should be undercutting her first ability too much. I can think of a lot of annoying creatures with 1 toughness...Llanowar Elves, Birds of Paradise (which still has room to Squeeze into M12), any number of Goblins, a lot of infectors...in any case, Chandra saves me from burning a kill spell to deal with those guys. (side note: I have no clue how many Gotcha triggers I just tripped there.)

The fact that she triggers Bloodthirst for a profit rather than a cost is nothing to sneeze at either, especially since she fits smack dab in the middle of the color range utilizing it. I, for one, wouldn't mind having her on the field if I'm topdecking and pull a Furyborn Hellkite.



EDIT:
In other news, the M11 dual-lands are confirmed. (http://community.wizards.com/mtguk/blog/2011/06/29/m12_%E2%80%93_5_cards_announced%21) Personal feelings on this: Yaaaaay!


2ND EDIT:
Also, it seems my hopes for Nissa are crushed; not enough room between Lurking Crocodile and Overrun. Boooo. :[

[JayB]

ya im in now way saying shes horrible lol shes decent but the way 90% of the people that are talking about her. There all planning on paying 3 mana for a Twincast when they can just spend 2 mana lol. Doesnt make sense but the perspective you put it in (For yourself) made sense. Everyone else's perspective of the card is "Twincast this" Twincast That"

Dual lands ya there not bad im just happy cause the prices will drop a bit on them due to them being reprinted an more available

and nissa you are talking about revane right? she was such a let down i wanted to like her so bad but wizards destroyed her abilitys lol her last one was ridic the first 2 were a joke though aha

BTW if anyone wants to see the M12 Spoiler or a few innsitrad or graveborn or commander spoilers check the link in my sig =] been working on that alot lately hope you guys enjoy it

[Wilren]

My main deck at the moment utilizes, and to an extent abuses the crap out of, Nissa's Chosen and Nissa's ability to keep bringing them back (usually via saccing them to either a Birthing Pod or Plaguemaw Beast to speed 3-CMC infectors out or proliferate). I guess I was just hoping to be able to keep using that when Innistrad came out. *shrug*

[l0k13]

ya an now look at how much mana you spent right there.It all add's up the same lol.

if your gonna go all the way out of your way to splash red you might as well just splash in twincasts

That is so wrong, it has to be pointed out. The transition from 7->9 mana is harsh as 9 comes often 4-6 turns later. Casting her on turn 4-5 for some bonus damage and the ability to Twincast your huge spell is infinitely better than waiting to get 9. It's a classic example of 4 + 7 < 9.

That, of course, is ignoring all other utility that she may bring. Pinging birds etc is good, Twincast on ramp or draw spells is even better. Hell, you can even double your removal (2x Consuming Vapors for example) into more and more damage. The way I see it, she can fit into a lot more than the new garruk, who only goes in mono green creatures.

[michelous]

being repeatable makes any instant or sorcery broken that is 2/3 the reason jace tms got banned
it had both Brainstorm and Unsummon on a stick with the fateseal

[Siulzen]

In other news, the M11 dual-lands are confirmed. Personal feelings on this: Yaaaaay!

You're....a little late to the party on that. :p

-----------------

New card spoiled:

http://i758.photobucket.com/albums/xx229/S_iulzen/doublingchant.png

Source (http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=10150302495986514)

[Vanguard Veteran]

That is so wrong, it has to be pointed out. The transition from 7->9 mana is harsh as 9 comes often 4-6 turns later. Casting her on turn 4-5 for some bonus damage and the ability to Twincast your huge spell is infinitely better than waiting to get 9. It's a classic example of 4 + 7 < 9.

That, of course, is ignoring all other utility that she may bring. Pinging birds etc is good, Twincast on ramp or draw spells is even better. Hell, you can even double your removal (2x Consuming Vapors for example) into more and more damage. The way I see it, she can fit into a lot more than the new garruk, who only goes in mono green creatures.

Thats why I can't wait to get my hands on em, just so much potential.

[~Scourge~]

I like the flavor text on doubling chant haha

[marhawkman]

In other news, the M11 dual-lands are confirmed. (http://community.wizards.com/mtguk/blog/2011/06/29/m12_%E2%80%93_5_cards_announced%21) Personal feelings on this: Yaaaaay!enemy color duals: WANT!

[JayB]

Doubling Chant + Sneak Attack = Golden lol

[Wilren]

enemy color duals: WANT!

Indeed. Dual-lands like these 5 would work perfectly for that purpose.


@Siulzen: Eh, hadn't heard about it...Sorry.

[JayB]

I want a new black / White dual but Wizards isn't about giving people what they want lol they give them a third jace instead smh

[Phattmatt27]

New Jace isnt that bad. I dont understand why everyone is hating on him

[JayB]

it could be any of the following,

1. He has ZERO Protection
2. It's the third jace i mean come on now
3. The artwork is trash
4. You spend 5 mana to do what put the top ten cards of someones library in there graveyard... Tome Scour is better then that... Glimpse the Unthinkable blows it out the water
5. It's junk an i can't wait till they drop to $6.00 so i can buy them an use them as toilet paper

Rant

[Siulzen]

Part 2 of the Artifact trio complete:

http://i758.photobucket.com/albums/xx229/S_iulzen/crownofempires.png

Now that's funny.....lol.

[Gatsby]

Crowntron, yup. I suppose the user of the crowntron is yourself, the planeswalker.

[Uncle_Oj]

Anyone else find it strange Wurm's Tooth hasn't been announced yet? Number Crunch kinda makes me think it won't be at all.

[Wilren]

New Jace isnt that bad. I dont understand why everyone is hating on him

People who hated Big Jace are disgusted at having another mind mage thrown at them, while people who loved Big Jace are disgusted at having an inferior mind mage thrown at them.


Also, throwing out a prediction right now on Throne of Empires.
Most expensive CMC of the 3, and provides draw power.


@Uncle_Oj: Wurm's Tooth would fit snugly between Worldslayer and Buried Ruin, so it's not out of contention yet.

[Uncle_Oj]

Apparently there still 1 more land to spoil and it fits ahead of Buried Ruin since there's no room after. :/

[LeonD]

Just started checking out the spoiler. Mono-black is gonna be soooo good.

I thought Rune-Scarred Demon was bad enough. But they're giving us Smallpox too...

shudder

[MercenaryBDU]

Part 2 of the Artifact trio complete:

http://i758.photobucket.com/albums/xx229/S_iulzen/crownofempires.png

Now that's funny.....lol.

This is awesome if you could get the other two pieces on the ground. Steal as many guys as you want as long as you have Voltaic Key and the other two pieces with a lot of mana to boot.

[Phattmatt27]

it could be any of the following,

1. He has ZERO Protection
2. It's the third jace i mean come on now
3. The artwork is trash
4. You spend 5 mana to do what put the top ten cards of someones library in there graveyard... Tome Scour is better then that... Glimpse the Unthinkable blows it out the water
5. It's junk an i can't wait till they drop to $6.00 so i can buy them an use them as toilet paper

Rant

Um, you cant expect WoTC to bring back something TMS quality. Jace 3.0 is just in a bad position, not as good as TMS, and is worse than Baby Jace because he comes out later for his Draw (or mill). I just dont understand why people didnt see a worse Jace hitting the format. When WoTC said the walkers were getting new versions, You should have known that Chandra would be better, (hopefully), Garruk would still be decent, and Jace wouldn't be nearly as good.

[JayB]

lol you make it seem like i wanted a jace to begin with lol, i honestly would rather they print Teferi or Urza that'd be amazing. And WOTC never said they were doing new planeswalkers they only said they were doing Gideon + Sorin we found out about jace and chandra through the spoiler i think they only annouced garruk if im correct. But they could have atleast given jace a protection ability every single planeswalker has one why make a third jace if your scared of the turn out. An that's exactly how they made this card. They did the least amount of power as possible an now they did alot less then whats approved

[Koshi]

lol you make it seem like i wanted a jace to begin with lol, i honestly would rather they print Teferi or Urza that'd be amazing. And WOTC never said they were doing new planeswalkers they only said they were doing Gideon + Sorin we found out about jace and chandra through the spoiler i think they only annouced garruk if im correct. But they could have atleast given jace a protection ability every single planeswalker has one why make a third jace if your scared of the turn out. An that's exactly how they made this card. They did the least amount of power as possible an now they did alot less then whats approved

Oh? Every single 'Walker has protection? So I guess Jace Beleren and Koth of the Hammer must also be crap, right?

And they didn't give him the least amount of power, they made a card that generates advantage while tying in with a graveyard theme. And if by turn 5 your walkers still need protection, you must be playing a deck with a very low creature count, since even Caw-Go used to have Squadron Hawk's. The card is still powerful, so don't dismiss it yet.

[JayB]

koth does have protection belern doesnt but beleren is also a turn 3 drop not much is going to effect it that early lol.

jace, memory adept is 5 mana for that amaout of mana i rather juss play Traumatize an Twincast it :P

[Koshi]

If you Twincast, it cost more than 5 mana....

[Uncle_Oj]

Looks like Ponder and Birds are in :) So glad since Preordain probably isn't coming back

[JayB]

ya Traumatize alone blows the jace out the water the extra two mana for Twincast is the cherry lol.

An i cant believe Ponder is really in it again? thats nuts especially since its banned in vintage an they already put out Visions smh ridic lol

Additional Comment:

Why hasn't anyone noticed there's no Lightning Bolt?...

[Uncle_Oj]

Because there was an article a while back about how M11 was the end of the line for Lightning Bolt.