Looking back...

[Volkamar]

So it's pretty clear that, over the last few weeks, there have been many announcements and revelations that many would consider questionable. Some are a matter of opinion, others a matter of location, and some where there just doesn't seem to be any way to refute it in anyway other than "It was a bad idea. Perioid.". Whether it's the deplorable treatment of the European/Oceania/Latin America player base. The removal of Archlord Kristya from the Lost Sanctuary Structure Deck. The shutting down of DM. The lackluster product that we have been receiving (ala Gold Series 4). Or the seeming lack of care nor concern Konami shows to their Customers. There is a lot there to take away from these past few Weeks that can be taken as a slap to the face against the people who play the game and buy the product. Although this may only be the beginning...



With Turbo Pack 6 and the next wave of Collector's Tins coming up, there are oppotunities to perhaps repair some of the negative press the past few weeks have brought, but also oppotunities for Konami to simply repeat what has been going on over the past few weeks. I personally hope that it will be the former because, as much I detest what Konami have done and have been doing, I do enjoy Yugioh as a game (But I cannot enjoy it under these conditions and therefore refuse to support it in it's current state). So I have a message both to Konami and to YOU.



To Konami. You have made more than a few questionable moves and a handful of mistakes, and furthermore, seemingly continue to neglect the European/Oceania/Latin America player base. You may think that this won't cause much damage now, or that nothing will change, and you may well be right. But do not underestimate the power of the consumer. They are what is ultimately keeping you in business, and the moment you lose them, that's when you will begin to notice a lack of green lining your pockets.

You can just as easily turn this around with a good Collector Tin and Turbo Pack 6 line-up. Here you have an oppotunity to fix a miriad of problems that have come into fruition, both recently, and long established. However, I can say with some confidence that if you make these simply a repeat of what you have been doing these past few weeks, that you will see a huge Drop Off of players. Not just on Pojo, but on other Yugioh affiliated websites too, and they too will spread the word to their local gaming community.

There is only so much that these players are willing to take in order to continue to play the game that they are fond of, sooner or later, these people will value their ideals and morals more than their enjoyment of this ONE game out of HUNDREDS of others they could be investing time and money into. So I emplore you, please show that you listen and that you can make things better, and that you value the player base that has made your game so successful.



To YOU the community. A lot of you have probably already made up your minds to quit. Others are still contemplating. Some might even feel that they cannot. And a handful might even be thinking that they do not know what all the fuss is about (Which is fine too.). There are also some people thinking "Oh, I disagree with what they are doing, but it's only one product." or "This product was changed poorly, but I do not care, as I wasn't interested in it anyway". To these people I wish to say this. You may not care now, but would you feel the same way if Konami knew they could get away with moves like that, and then adjust a product in a similar way to say Lost Sanctuary that you DID care about? The fact of the matter is, you may not care about the product and that is fine, but unless you speak up against how Konami is adjusting our product then you may find that it will extend to something you do care about. Keep this thought in mind and dwell on it a bit.

To those who feel that they cannot quit because "Cocaine a helluva drug", for goodness sake, stand up for yourselves. I've seen more than a few posts of people saying "I want to quit but I can't" or "You can quit, but you'll be back in a month" or something similar, and it's painful to read. It really is. It says a lot about a person when they value a game which is basically slapping them all over the damn place over their own morals and ideal and what they feel is right and wrong. Stand up for yourselves, playing ONE game which is treating unfairly is not worth your own sense of what feels right, take a stand and just stop buying into it a while. Find something else to put your time and money into, and maybe when this game gets a little bit better and starts treating it's player base with a little more fairness and respect, you can come back. This will make a signifcant impact if more people did this, it really would, money speaks louder than words when it comes to corperations.

But for the community in general I will say this, keep speaking up about it. Cause discussion and debate and don't let it up. Make sure that this is something that is constantly under the communitys radar. If we keep this sort of thing a hot topic, then maybe just maybe Konami will start to get the picture, or at the very least we can make more people aware of just what exactly is going on and allow them to forge their own opinion on the matter.



This game has taken a few turns for the worst recently, but if we can engage in some tough love or if Konami can actually stop pulling off moves like removing important cards from Structure Decks and making more creative and more asthetically pleasing product (In other words no repeats of Gold Series 4), then we can make this game for the better and start talking more about the good that this game can bring. As opposed to right now where there is a thick air of dissatisfaction all around.

Thanks for taking the time to read. That goes to everyone.

[Viperkyle]

This basically sums up what everyone is trying to keep hidden in their nagging subconscious right now.

[ndralcasid]

Two thumbs up. Amazing read

[Mr Hyena]

While looking at this giant mess Konami's done is exactly like the recent changes done by Games Workship in another hobby. Exact same massive backlash to an equally stupid set of changes at the one time.

10 thumbs up. Shame the Propaganda Site will never have articles of this quality.

[Chaos_Theory]

While I agree with what you say whole-heartedly; I am the type of person that Konami feeds on.

I love the game. Been playing for about 9 years now. I'm actually as interested now as I have ever been. I enjoy playing the game locally with friends and the occasional regional, and even though they release mediocre sets, I just bypass them and act as if they don't exist. So what if the price tag is ridiculous? Just don't buy any. Get your playset of Doomcaliber's and consider it a wasted opportunity and nothing more. Sub-par product releases shouldn't be cause of alarm, broke product releases (I'm looking at you Librarian, you son of a *****) should be.

In the end, I'm still going to play. I apologize for being a sheep. <3

[-.N.-]

ITT: Melodrama.

[Triflingdork]

Bravo. I enjoyed reading it. And I feel just the same.

Deckmaster17 and 500 others like this!

[Volkamar]

While I agree with what you say whole-heartedly; I am the type of person that Konami feeds on.

I love the game. Been playing for about 9 years now. I'm actually as interested now as I have ever been. I enjoy playing the game locally with friends and the occasional regional, and even though they release mediocre sets, I just bypass them and act as if they don't exist. So what if the price tag is ridiculous? Just don't buy any. Get your playset of Doomcaliber's and consider it a wasted opportunity and nothing more. Sub-par product releases shouldn't be cause of alarm, broke product releases (I'm looking at you Librarian, you son of a *****) should be.

In the end, I'm still going to play. I apologize for being a sheep. <3

Fair enough. I'm not telling people to stop playing the game just because of my opinions, after all, that's up to them to decide. As I stated near the start, some people are genuinely not that bothered by it. I can't tell people to stop enjoying the game if they're enjoying it. :)

I appreciate your post though.

[LSswarmer]

I agree wholeheartedly. Even though I live in America, I feel sorry for non-North American countries getting shafted by Konami.

[Zinrag]

I disagree but not with you but with a general ideas that a lot of players are feeling. Let's check the facts; gold series 4 was an upset because it lacked the HUGE money cards. This created bashlash. No warning/duality in gold series 4!?!?! Impossible! No Kristya? BS. I felt this way too, for a moment then I thought. Those cards will be reprinted. Its a when not a if. However, the community lost site of this and turned to a product which contains few secret reprints. Doomcal, spy, gyzarus, ryko, oppression, Trap Stun, monk, sorcerer. Gold series 3 had tkro and JD. (So it had one good reprint. Teehee) Gold series 4 was good considering previous gold series cards. Now to kristya: a 10 dollar deck which has close to 20 worth of cards is going to include a secret of kristya's level? No way! It's going to be sold as a super promo. Kristya is worth a super spot and gold series was already slated. Kristya in gs4 would have been nice bit not economical. The lack of interest for places sans the United States is an issue but Kevin has spoke about trying to resolve thesebl issues as has JUMPman. Progress is happening however slow it may be. I'm upset, sure, but I'm not going to complain that it's all for greed or quit. It's a business, it makes profit, and it's a smart one at that. Expect surprises and expect diasappointment. Its a two-way street.

[jamiep151]

I agree with this and can say I will be taking a break once Librarian hits and depending on September banlist I may be quitting altogether and moving to pokemon. Recently card design has become plain stupid, everywhere other than NA is getting shafted on products and the lack of skill in the game at the moment is incredible this format is the worst I have ever played in (joined during Tele-DAD) and the next could well be worse.

[LSswarmer]

I disagree but not with you but with a general ideas that a lot of players are feeling. Let's check the facts; gold series 4 was an upset because it lacked the HUGE money cards. This created bashlash. No warning/duality in gold series 4!?!?! Impossible! No Kristya? BS. I felt this way too, for a moment then I thought. Those cards will be reprinted. Its a when not a if. However, the community lost site of this and turned to a product which contains few secret reprints. Doomcal, spy, gyzarus, ryko, oppression, Trap Stun, monk, sorcerer. Gold series 3 had tkro and JD. (So it had one good reprint. Teehee) Gold series 4 was good considering previous gold series cards. Now to kristya: a 10 dollar deck which has close to 20 worth of cards is going to include a secret of kristya's level? No way! It's going to be sold as a super promo. Kristya is worth a super spot and gold series was already slated. Kristya in gs4 would have been nice bit not economical. The lack of interest for places sans the United States is an issue but Kevin has spoke about trying to resolve thesebl issues as has JUMPman. Progress is happening however slow it may be. I'm upset, sure, but I'm not going to complain that it's all for greed or quit. It's a business, it makes profit, and it's a smart one at that. Expect surprises and expect diasappointment. Its a two-way street.

The problem is that they have not opened the "other lane."

[guidolheat]

post was waaaaayyyy too long...and quite honestly I dont care, sorry but there are more important things at hand....such as Friday getting here already so I can buy some Yugiohs :P
and I am also tired of Tseng Foxs' "Konami hates Europe and I hate them, but I keep playing because I am hypocrite" posts

Additional Comment:

I agree with this and can say I will be taking a break once Librarian hits and depending on September banlist I may be quitting altogether and moving to pokemon. Recently card design has become plain stupid, everywhere other than NA is getting shafted on products and the lack of skill in the game at the moment is incredible this format is the worst I have ever played in (joined during Tele-DAD) and the next could well be worse.

oh yeah I hate these posts too...except usually they include MtG instead of Pokemon

EDIT :
Ok maybe I am tired, but it is amusing

[Zinrag]

I can see what you mean... currently the disappointment does out-class the fun aspect. But I'm not bitter. Change, even the small amount that is visable is better than none. I'm sure a lot of europeans feel otherwise and I would too I guess. Maybe if I didn't live in the states?

[Uncle Jinzo]

So it's pretty clear that, over the last few weeks, there have been many announcements and revelations that many would consider questionable. Some are a matter of opinion, others a matter of location, and some where there just doesn't seem to be any way to refute it in anyway other than "It was a bad idea. Perioid.". Whether it's the deplorable treatment of the European/Oceania/Latin America player base. The removal of Archlord Kristya from the Lost Sanctuary Structure Deck. The shutting down of DM. The lackluster product that we have been receiving (ala Gold Series 4). Or the seeming lack of care nor concern Konami shows to their Customers. There is a lot there to take away from these past few Weeks that can be taken as a slap to the face against the people who play the game and buy the product. Although this may only be the beginning...

With Turbo Pack 6 and the next wave of Collector's Tins coming up, there are oppotunities to perhaps repair some of the negative press the past few weeks have brought, but also oppotunities for Konami to simply repeat what has been going on over the past few weeks. I personally hope that it will be the former because, as much I detest what Konami have done and have been doing, I do enjoy Yugioh as a game (But I cannot enjoy it under these conditions and therefore refuse to support it in it's current state). So I have a message both to Konami and to YOU.

To Konami. You have made more than a few questionable moves and a handful of mistakes, and furthermore, seemingly continue to neglect the European/Oceania/Latin America player base. You may think that this won't cause much damage now, or that nothing will change, and you may well be right. But do not underestimate the power of the consumer. They are what is ultimately keeping you in business, and the moment you lose them, that's when you will begin to notice a lack of green lining your pockets. You can just as easily turn this around with a good Collector Tin and Turbo Pack 6 line-up. Here you have an oppotunity to fix a miriad of problems that have come into fruition, both recently, and long established. However, I can say with some confidence that if you make these simply a repeat of what you have been doing these past few weeks, that you will see a huge Drop Off of players. Not just on Pojo, but on other Yugioh affiliated websites too, and they too will spread the word to their local gaming community. There is only so much that these players are willing to take in order to continue to play the game that they are fond of, sooner or later, these people will value their ideals and morals more than their enjoyment of this ONE game out of HUNDREDS of others they could be investing time and money into. So I emplore you, please show that you listen and that you can make things better, and that you value the player base that has made your game so successful.

To YOU the community. A lot of you have probably already made up your minds to quit. Others are still contemplating. Some might even feel that they cannot. And a handful might even be thinking that they do not know what all the fuss is about (Which is fine too.). There are also some people thinking "Oh, I disagree with what they are doing, but it's only one product." or "This product was changed poorly, but I do not care, as I wasn't interested in it anyway". To these people I wish to say this. You may not care now, but would you feel the same way if Konami knew they could get away with moves like that, and then adjust a product in a similar way to say Lost Sanctuary that you DID care about? The fact of the matter is, you may not care about the product and that is fine, but unless you speak up against how Konami is adjusting our product then you may find that it will extend to something you do care about. Keep this thought in mind and dwell on it a bit. To those who feel that they cannot quit because "Cocaine a helluva drug", for goodness sake, stand up for yourselves. I've seen more than a few posts of people saying "I want to quit but I can't" or "You can quit, but you'll be back in a month" or something similar, and it's painful to read. It really is. It says a lot about a person when they value a game which is basically slapping them all over the damn place over their own morals and ideal and what they feel is right and wrong. Stand up for yourselves, playing ONE game which is treating unfairly is not worth your own sense of what feels right, take a stand and just stop buying into it a while. Find something else to put your time and money into, and maybe when this game gets a little bit better and starts treating it's player base with a little more fairness and respect, you can come back. This will make a signifcant impact if more people did this, it really would, money speaks louder than words when it comes to corperations. But for the community in general I will say this, keep speaking up about it. Cause discussion and debate and don't let it up. Make sure that this is something that is constantly under the communitys radar. If we keep this sort of thing a hot topic, then maybe just maybe Konami will start to get the picture, or at the very least we can make more people aware of just what exactly is going on and allow them to forge their own opinion on the matter.

This game has taken a few turns for the worst recently, but if we can engage in some tough love or if Konami can actually stop pulling off moves like removing important cards from Structure Decks and making more creative and more asthetically pleasing product (In other words no repeats of Gold Series 4), then we can make this game for the better and start talking more about the good that this game can bring. As opposed to right now where there is a thick air of dissatisfaction all around.

Thanks for taking the time to read. That goes to everyone.

Bravo. I can't possilbly think of anything to add. One of the best reads on this site. . .EVER.

[Volkamar]

I disagree but not with you but with a general ideas that a lot of players are feeling. Let's check the facts; gold series 4 was an upset because it lacked the HUGE money cards. This created bashlash. No warning/duality in gold series 4!?!?! Impossible! No Kristya? BS. I felt this way too, for a moment then I thought. Those cards will be reprinted. Its a when not a if. However, the community lost site of this and turned to a product which contains few secret reprints. Doomcal, spy, gyzarus, ryko, oppression, Trap Stun, monk, sorcerer. Gold series 3 had tkro and JD. (So it had one good reprint. Teehee) Gold series 4 was good considering previous gold series cards. Now to kristya: a 10 dollar deck which has close to 20 worth of cards is going to include a secret of kristya's level? No way! It's going to be sold as a super promo. Kristya is worth a super spot and gold series was already slated. Kristya in gs4 would have been nice bit not economical. The lack of interest for places sans the United States is an issue but Kevin has spoke about trying to resolve thesebl issues as has JUMPman. Progress is happening however slow it may be. I'm upset, sure, but I'm not going to complain that it's all for greed or quit. It's a business, it makes profit, and it's a smart one at that. Expect surprises and expect diasappointment. Its a two-way street.

You raise some good points there. I especially like your thoughts of the mentality over Gold Series 4 and was an interesting read. Although, from my perspective, my disappointment with Gold is with Gold in general and not due to the money cards. The way I saw Gold Series 4 is that they're reprinting a huge number of cards that, in all honesty, did not need to be reprinted. Some reprints I kind of liked the idea of, such as Morphing Jar. Some I did not like the idea of at all, such as Trap Stun and Darklord Zerato. With some I can understand but NOT as Gold, namely Celestia Lightsworn Angel and maybe Summoner Monk to a lesser extent. It's not so much the fact there were no money cards in there so much that, the Gold Rare cardpool, didn't seem enough to warrant actually buying packs (as it'd likely be cheaper just to buy what you want as Singles as opposed to taking your chances).

I think they could have done better with this pack. If they had made Celestia and Ryko Commons and maybe had Ehren as a Gold Rare for instance, that'd make the Lightsworn side of things MUCH more appealing. Instead of Five Headed Dragon, which to my knowledge was already usable everywhere, why not have Dragon Master Knight (A card which is a lot harder to come by in comparison)? Shifting Zerato down to a Common might have also been a better idea, as to be honest, he hasn't got much business being a Gold Rare. Replacements need not be money related either. Gorz the Emissary of Darkness for example would have made an excellent Gold Rare for instance. Maybe even putting in a Gold Rare Book of Moon would not have gone amiss either.

But that's just my personal thoughts of Gold Series 4. In a nutshell, I didn't think it was that great because the pack as a whole is extremely lacking in appeal when it comes to buying packs, on top of some very questionable Gold Rare choices that still make me scratch my head.

[TeslaMouse]

You couldn't have broken it down into smaller paragraphs? :/ Good read though.

[Uncle Jinzo]

post was waaaaayyyy too long...and quite honestly I dont care, sorry but there are more important things at hand....such as Friday getting here already so I can buy some Yugiohs :P
and I am also tired of Tseng Foxs' "Konami hates Europe and I hate them, but I keep playing because I am hypocrite" posts

Additional Comment:



oh yeah I hate these posts too...except usually they include MtG instead of Pokemon

I don't hate the game and I'm not qiutting.

If you hate these threads, why do I keep seeing you post in them?

[unionlord]

I am not reading that wall of text. It's way more than konami has put into this game that's for sure however anyone in their right mind knows already that we have been getting screwed for years.

Also that change a little psychology is very successful. Instead of screwing our customers over all the time let's throw them a bone and get back to business as usual "screwing them over". That bone will make us look like saviors and once again the people will be satisfied and it cost us little to nothing.

[Volkamar]

You couldn't have broken it down into smaller paragraphs? :/ Good read though.

I'll see what I can do. :p

I've given a crack at separating it a little bit better.

[unionlord]

DN is back up.....Here's the bone i was referring to.

[Volkamar]

Well that'll be some relieving news for a number of people at least. :)

[TeslaMouse]

Okay, that's better. I'll give it another read in case I missed something. Thanks :)

[Triflingdork]

I can see what you mean... currently the disappointment does out-class the fun aspect. But I'm not bitter. Change, even the small amount that is visable is better than none. I'm sure a lot of europeans feel otherwise and I would too I guess. Maybe if I didn't live in the states?

Even then, you got to at least try to learn to see beyond your own world. We all play the same game. And restricting stuff from others in a world-played game isn't something to nod your head and keep moving like a heartless machine. I digress, however, there have been a few disappointing choices. We all know that. At least I hope we can all agree there. And we all like this game. We just want to be able to keep playing this game, whether competitively or not. And we've all waited and waited until a product comes along that we can have worldly access to, just to reach that competitive status. Instead we get cards we already have... And we're once again forced to go to a secondary market as means to getting the staples to attend larger events. It sucks... =/

Of course, I'm well off. But I sympathize with everyone else.

[BlueEew]

Quitting because Gold Series 4, and the Structure Deck didn't have the cards we wanted is not a reason to quit and shouldn't make anyone want to quit. Sure I want my PoD and SW reprint, but I ain't gonna quit because it ain't in GS4.

[Volkamar]

Quitting because Gold Series 4, and the Structure Deck didn't have the cards we wanted is not a reason to quit and shouldn't make anyone want to quit. Sure I want my PoD and SW reprint, but I ain't gonna quit because it ain't in GS4.

My reasons for quitting the game personally go beyond Gold Series 4 and Lost Sanctuary. But that's just me.

But it's more the point, it may just be those two products for now, but if we give Konami the impression that doing things like what they did to Lost Sanctuary in particular is perfectly acceptable... What's to stop that from happening to other products and making that Laundry List longer?

[BlueEew]

My reasons for quitting the game personally go beyond Gold Series 4 and Lost Sanctuary. But that's just me.

But it's more the point, it may just be those two products for now, but if we give Konami the impression that doing things like what they did to Lost Sanctuary in particular is perfectly acceptable... What's to stop that from happening to other products and making that Laundry List longer?

Your right about not letting Konami keep giving us trash, but really they haven't yet. If they proceed to do so then yeah, let's take action. But I guess we can at least give them a chance to give us something amazing.

[Volkamar]

Your right about not letting Konami keep giving us trash, but really they haven't yet. If they proceed to do so then yeah, let's take action. But I guess we can at least give them a chance to give us something amazing.

Of course, as I mentioned in my Original Post, they have those chances within the new Collector's Tins and Turbo Pack 6 mainly. They could just as easily make something of those that basically reverses everything, and they can, I reckon they could without too much hassle. But it's up to them to capitalize on that. Right now it's a case of, they can either quell the storm, or form a Super-Tornado and tear through the player base. :p

Only time will tell. Although, if what Kevin said is to be believed, we may know more info about the Tins in a week or two.

[unionlord]

It's all relative to experience Volk. A lot of people don't even realize that they are getting screwed. Then some man up "lol" and think to themselves that I can take it and continue doing what they do without a single thought of things getting any better.....and why not? Because more and more people these days have never experienced anything better.

[guidolheat]

Jinzo[/YGOCARD];22020140]I don't hate the game and I'm not qiutting.

If you hate these threads, why do I keep seeing you post in them?

but i never said I wasnt a hypocrite my good sir...I am not ashamed to admit it...but Tseng just keeps complaining and making European players hate Yugioh yet he himself keep playing...
like in the other thread at least admit to your faults/flaws or whatever, I did just now :D and I also edited my post to reflect this :P

[Rebirthflames]

Thread of the year?! Honestly this thread proves that behind the trolls and idiots and squiddy...pojo has some intellectual readers/posters.

Yay.

I agree with OP and a majority of posters here.

[Uncle Jinzo]

but i never said I wasnt a hypocrite my good sir...I am not ashamed to admit it...but Tseng just keeps complaining and making European players hate Yugioh yet he himself keep playing...
like in the other thread at least admit to your faults/flaws or whatever, I did just now :D

I did not mean to infer that you were a hypocrite , although I apoligize now that I looked at the reds. I enjoy sparing with someone who has a "shut up and duel" attitude, as do I.

This is a hobby. I chose to play, as do we all. If you don't like ice cream, don't eat it. If you hate Jersey Shore, don't watch. If Yu Gi Oh pisses you off that much don't play. I stay of the forbidden thread for that very reason: Why ban what you can't beat. FIND A WAY TO WIN!

I just recently beat LSS but adjusting my thinking and playstyle. Of course it helped that I was running somrthing he was'nt ready for and could'nt side for , but I won, repeatedly.

We could learn a little something from the casual player. They play for fun and the love of the game. They don't care about banlist, rarity bumps or any of that. They duel.

Once again no offense, I just love playing devils advocate.

[guidolheat]

Jinzo[/YGOCARD];22020808]I did not mean to infer that you were a hypocrite , although I apoligize now that I looked at the reds. I enjoy sparing with someone who has a "shut up and duel" attitude, as do I.

This is a hobby. I chose to play, as do we all. If you don't like ice cream, don't eat it. If you hate Jersey Shore, don't watch. If Yu Gi Oh pisses you off that much don't play. I stay of the forbidden thread for that very reason: Why ban what you can't beat. FIND A WAY TO WIN!

I just recently beat LSS but adjusting my thinking and playstyle. Of course it helped that I was running somrthing he was'nt ready for and could'nt side for , but I won, repeatedly.

We could learn a little something from the casual player. They play for fun and the love of the game. They don't care about banlist, rarity bumps or any of that. They duel.

Once again no offense, I just love playing devils advocate.

i see we are both similar in this case, and at letting someone else now we mean no offese...
i mean the overall point is true, it has been a bad month, but hardly the worst...all the Chaos Ruled months and Tele-DAD months were far worst to be honest...

and I love Jersey Shore :cool: ...well not really..well kinda...you know what I can make up my mind lol

[Uncle Jinzo]

i see we are both similar in this case, and at letting someone else now we mean no offese...
i mean the overall point is true, it has been a bad month, but hardly the worst...all the Chaos Ruled months and Tele-DAD months were far worst to be honest...

and I love Jersey Shore :cool: ...well not really..well kinda...you know what I can make up my mind lol

AMEN, and I ran 3 back then.

[Mr Hyena]

but Tseng just keeps complaining and making European players hate Yugioh yet he himself keep playing...

As long as you don't pay a single penny on any cards; then its fine to keep playing.

Also alot of European players originally disagreed with me. Well...alot of them now appear to see my point of view thanks to Konami's actions.

[liciel]

but we still play,don't we? <3

[The_Dark_Monarch]

Nice Read.

I am one of those people with numerous reasons (that you have mentioned) to moan.

I live in Oceania, the recent releases have been a huge disappointment and living in a remote area, means I have to rely on online Dueling programs for my Dueling needs.

DN is back up (I don't know for how long), but YVD is a pain in the arse for me and I don't like having to pay for Dueling Simulators that are sub-par by comparison.

Getting/trading for cards is a huge problem for me. In Australia, everything is overpriced and overinflated which accounts for the postage costs, insurance and all that ordering cards from overseas entails.

I have 3 decks, but hardly get the chance to use them IRL anyway, so what's the point? I am not about to travel for a whole day and spend money on accommodation just to go to a locals.

Many think I should have quit ages ago, but I love the game too much. This is why I went into a blind panic when DN went down.

Yes, it has been a bad few months (last month was the worst). I hope the September Banlist gives everybody a Ray of Hope *damn Pojo Auto Tags* lol

[hotlegsrunning]

I agree 110% with the post. I only play during the summer when I'm not at school, but when I do play I spend around 400-500$ on the game so I invest a decent amount of money into the game. I expect to be rewarded with cards that interest me to continue to spend on this game. However, Extreme Victory, Gold Series 4, HA SE for people outside the US, and Generation Force really don't wow me like the older packs used to.

That being said, I love playing yugioh with my friends over the summer and will continue to play until we decide we have other interests. BUT, I have my decks, and all the cards I would like. I will stop supporting this game if I dont see a turn around in these extravagent price tags on what are becoming "staples", and the accessibility of them to the more casual, local/regional level of playerbase.

[goldbakura123]

i see we are both similar in this case, and at letting someone else now we mean no offese...
i mean the overall point is true, it has been a bad month, but hardly the worst...all the Chaos Ruled months and Tele-DAD months were far worst to be honest...

and I love Jersey Shore :cool: ...well not really..well kinda...you know what I can make up my mind lol

I know, you should see Tseng and I sparring on the Konami forum in Gossip, I just got annoyed and bored and gave up lol....I mean he hates the game so much, and yet has Strategy Guides for two archetypes....confuses me to no end...

[Mr Hyena]

I know, you should see Tseng and I sparring on the Konami forum in Gossip, I just got annoyed and bored and gave up lol....I mean he hates the game so much, and yet has Strategy Guides for two archetypes....confuses me to no end...

Your in Wisconsin according to your location thing. You probably won't understand. Its not really about hating the game; as much as it is European frustration and despising the people who run the game.

[DavidAre]

I wonder what happened with Konami, at first they gave us good reprints and better tins and good structure decks. It seems they became crazy with greed with the Pot of Duality rarity upgrade <_<

I will no quit playing yugioh but I won't bother with buying things like Gold Series 4

[goldbakura123]

Your in Wisconsin according to your location thing. You probably won't understand. Its not really about hating the game; as much as it is European frustration and despising the people who run the game.

Maybe your right...I would have to live in Europe to understand the frustration you guys have of the game...

[Dark Black]

After reading some of the post, I just want to state that those players that won't to quit or believe that Konami is making poor decisions, the casual players don't seem to mind and will continue to pay and play the game.

[LDEvolution]

Getting/trading for cards is a huge problem for me. In Australia, everything is overpriced and overinflated which accounts for the postage costs, insurance and all that ordering cards from overseas entails.

I have 3 decks, but hardly get the chance to use them IRL anyway, so what's the point? I am not about to travel for a whole day and spend money on accommodation just to go to a locals.

So true, AUS has horrible prices for buying cards. Importing is much better for me since its cheaper and I don't think they charge GST, I honestly don't know if its Europe or AUS that has it worse.

I have always played casual games cause well I think the playerbase in AUS isn't as big as it used to be since the day it was released here cause I found my local shop closed a few months back and the retail stores here don't sell most of the new boosters since my friend couldn't find DP Crow at all and its been released for a month.

[The_Dark_Monarch]

So true, AUS has horrible prices for buying cards. Importing is much better for me since its cheaper and I don't think they charge GST, I honestly don't know if its Europe or AUS that has it worse.

I have always played casual games cause well I think the playerbase in AUS isn't as big as it used to be since the day it was released here cause I found my local shop closed a few months back and the retail stores here don't sell most of the new boosters since my friend couldn't find DP Crow at all and its been released for a month.

Well, I sorta fibbed a bit with my previous post.

I do have a locals - GoodGames Wollongong that's about 80 kms from where I live. Thing is, it only gets @6 players on good days and the last 2 times I went there for a tourney, the YGO ppl didn't even bother showing up, so I took the time learning how to play M:TG (and I still don't understand how to play M:TG) lol

At that particular locals, The Spoils is bigger than any other TCG out there, and they cater almost exclusively for that now.

My next closest 'locals' is GoodGames Burwood/Sydney and that's a 200km each way trek (lives in Marulan NSW).

At my local K-Mart/EB Games, boosters cost $8...tins cost $40 and when it comes to any new releases, they are like 2 months behind the rest of the world.

Yeah, we only have a relatively small player-base and it's getting smaller by the month.

Some people are lucky and they whine about the little things. I have an uphill struggle just to stay in this game, yet I still do. This should be a lesson for all.

[bwinggale]

I agree with this article whole-heartedly. It's time to stand up for ourselves. We can't just keep taking this.

[LDEvolution]

Well, I sorta fibbed a bit with my previous post.

I do have a locals - GoodGames Wollongong that's about 80 kms from where I live. Thing is, it only gets @6 players on good days and the last 2 times I went there for a tourney, the YGO ppl didn't even bother showing up, so I took the time learning how to play M:TG (and I still don't understand how to play M:TG) lol

At that particular locals, The Spoils is bigger than any other TCG out there, and they cater almost exclusively for that now.

My next closest 'locals' is GoodGames Burwood/Sydney and that's a 200km each way trek (lives in Marulan NSW).

At my local K-Mart/EB Games, boosters cost $8...tins cost $40 and when it comes to any new releases, they are like 2 months behind the rest of the world.

Yeah, we only have a relatively small player-base and it's getting smaller by the month.

Some people are lucky and they whine about the little things. I have an uphill struggle just to stay in this game, yet I still do. This should be a lesson for all.
I used to play MtG casually cause my cousin got really into it but I stopped since I didn't find it as fun, still it was pretty fun.

Well your lucky, if I want to goto my closest YGO local now I have to go to the next town which i'm a bit lazy to but I do go at times and I found that even when there isn't a tournament on some people there are ultra-competitive and piss me off just cause i'm not.

Wow...you got tins? I wish we had times here I had to buy the singles online from the US and get them sent here which wasn't so bad but still kinda inconvenient.

All AUS players have an uphill battle to stay in the game in a country that the game is dying in and by what I read Europe gets it better than us it seems but if things don't get better soon the game will not even exist here anymore.

[The_Dark_Monarch]

Well your lucky, if I want to goto my closest YGO local now I have to go to the next town which i'm a bit lazy to but I do go at times and I found that even when there isn't a tournament on some people there are ultra-competitive and piss me off just cause i'm not.

All AUS players have an uphill battle to stay in the game in a country that the game is dying in and by what I read Europe gets it better than us it seems but if things don't get better soon the game will not even exist here anymore.

1. Another reason why I don't go to Sydney to duel. Most (not all) the people there are elitist pricks and I am not about to spend 5 hours travelling on the round trip and $50 in petrol (it's $1.46 a litre here) just to be harassed by them. I could go by train, but they only come twice a day and I gotta wait forever for the connection.

2. You are correct. The game has been going downhill for quite some time in Australia. Every time I say this though, one of those aforementioned types will come on Pojo and go: 'what the hell would you know because you don't even go to tourneys'. I don't think I need to go to witness all the denial that's occurring.

Yes, there are even more people in a boat that's sinking much faster than my own.

[LDEvolution]

1. Another reason why I don't go to Sydney to duel. Most (not all) the people there are elitist pricks and I am not about to spend 5 hours travelling on the round trip and $50 in petrol (it's $1.46 a litre here) just to be harassed by them. I could go by train, but they only come twice a day and I gotta wait forever for the connection.

2. You are correct. The game has been going downhill for quite some time in Australia. Every time I say this though, one of those aforementioned types will come on Pojo and go: 'what the hell would you know because you don't even go to tourneys'. I don't think I need to go to witness all the denial that's occurring.

Yes, there are even more people in a boat that's sinking much faster than my own.
Wow...the petrol in Sydney is expensive its around $1.36 per/l here in melbourne on a good day and our train service isn't much better, its always late I mean it never gets there on time, I sometimes go when my friends want to but otherwise I just can't be bothered.

Lol you don't even need to goto tourneys to see it dying, just goto your local shop like EB and KMart and it shows how much its dying, I saw that from DM to GX the game was still popular and many shops sell boosters, times and decks and its in on time give or take a week but when 5Ds era started the game kinda died and shops don't sell as much as they used to.

I agree that we're lucky at the moment but its more of when will that luck run out, i'm just hoping ZeXal will atleast get more people playing in AUS.

[The_Dark_Monarch]

Wow...the petrol in Sydney is expensive its around $1.36 per/l here in melbourne on a good day and our train service isn't much better, its always late I mean it never gets there on time, I sometimes go when my friends want to but otherwise I just can't be bothered.

Lol you don't even need to goto tourneys to see it dying, just goto your local shop like EB and KMart and it shows how much its dying, I saw that from DM to GX the game was still popular and many shops sell boosters, times and decks and its in on time give or take a week but when 5Ds era started the game kinda died and shops don't sell as much as they used to.

I agree that we're lucky at the moment but its more of when will that luck run out, i'm just hoping ZeXal will atleast get more people playing in AUS.

In Sydney, petrol is cheaper than it is in Melbourne.

In rural areas (like mine) we pay 10-15c a litre more than in Sydney.

[LDEvolution]

In Sydney, petrol is cheaper than it is in Melbourne.

In rural areas (like mine) we pay 10-15c a litre more than in Sydney.
Kinda sucks to not have a single price for the whole state but yea. Our area is a little cheaper than melbourne but some consistency should be nice.

By the way I got to ask since I don't live in Sydney anymore, is getting video games and cards harder there? cause some states get stuff first or sometimes more then the other.

[The_Dark_Monarch]

Kinda sucks to not have a single price for the whole state but yea. Our area is a little cheaper than melbourne but some consistency should be nice.

By the way I got to ask since I don't live in Sydney anymore, is getting video games and cards harder there? cause some states get stuff first or sometimes more then the other.

If you live in Sydney, or the surrounding suburbs, getting cards and games is easy peasy.

If you live more than about 30kms away from the CBD, you may as well be living on Venus.

[goldbakura123]

Well, I sorta fibbed a bit with my previous post.

I do have a locals - GoodGames Wollongong that's about 80 kms from where I live. Thing is, it only gets @6 players on good days and the last 2 times I went there for a tourney, the YGO ppl didn't even bother showing up, so I took the time learning how to play M:TG (and I still don't understand how to play M:TG) lol

At that particular locals, The Spoils is bigger than any other TCG out there, and they cater almost exclusively for that now.

My next closest 'locals' is GoodGames Burwood/Sydney and that's a 200km each way trek (lives in Marulan NSW).

At my local K-Mart/EB Games, boosters cost $8...tins cost $40 and when it comes to any new releases, they are like 2 months behind the rest of the world.

Yeah, we only have a relatively small player-base and it's getting smaller by the month.

Some people are lucky and they whine about the little things. I have an uphill struggle just to stay in this game, yet I still do. This should be a lesson for all.

WTF? That is insane! Why can't Konami coordinate things nationally better?

[LDEvolution]

WTF? That is insane! Why can't Konami coordinate things nationally better?
I don't think there is a Konami AUS only USA so that might explain why there is little support and good events in AUS.

If you live in Sydney, or the surrounding suburbs, getting cards and games is easy peasy.

If you live more than about 30kms away from the CBD, you may as well be living on Venus.
Ah okay, sucks for those who live far away but want to play the game.

[The_Dark_Monarch]

WTF? That is insane! Why can't Konami coordinate things nationally better?

I think it has got something to do with the 'decentralised population' that Australia has and the sheer vastness of the country.

You'll usually find stores in all the Capital Cities and a few major towns (like Wollongong, Gosford etc)...

However, there isn't as much interest for the game in Australia for Konami to persue it any further than it already does.

This is like that 'chicken and egg' thing though.

Additional Comment:

I don't think there is a Konami AUS only USA so that might explain why there is little support and good events in AUS.
I thought we were still under UDI as well, but a recent check of it states we fall under 'Konami Oceania'.
http://www.konami.com.au/

[LDEvolution]

I think it has got something to do with the 'decentralised population' that Australia has and the sheer vastness of the country.

You'll usually find stores in all the Capital Cities and a few major towns (like Wollongong, Gosford etc)...

However, there isn't as much interest for the game in Australia for Konami to persue it any further than it already does.

This is like that 'chicken and egg' thing though.

I thought we were still under UDI as well, but a recent check of it states we fall under 'Konami Oceania'.
http://www.konami.com.au/
THE ROCKET POWERED FISTS!!! (sorry couldn't help it)

Out of curiosity how is YGO advertised in a way in the US cause maybe that can be applied here in AUS to get a larger audience. Thats all I see could happen at the moment to atleast keep the game alive for a few more years.

[The_Dark_Monarch]

THE ROCKET POWERED FISTS!!! (sorry couldn't help it)

Out of curiosity how is YGO advertised in a way in the US cause maybe that can be applied here in AUS to get a larger audience. Thats all I see could happen at the moment to atleast keep the game alive for a few more years.
Tbh....

Many Aussie duelists are redneck jocks (inb4 one posts on this thread)...
They revel in forcing newbies out of the game, then after a while, they quit themselves.

This is the main reason for the general decline in players that no amount of advertising can fix.

Also, Aussie kids tend to look down upon all of that 'weaboo nonsense' and it's totally uncool to be involved in Yugioh!...moreso than how it's uncool for American or Japanese kids.

We are a bunch of video game addicts more than anything.

[LDEvolution]

Tbh....

Many Aussie duelists are redneck jocks (inb4 one posts on this thread)...
They revel in forcing newbies out of the game, then after a while, they quit themselves.

This is the main reason for the general decline in players that no amount of advertising can fix.

Also, Aussie kids tend to look down upon all of that 'weaboo nonsense' and it's totally uncool to be involved in Yugioh!...moreso than how it's uncool for American or Japanese kids.

We are a bunch of video game addicts more than anything.
Oh, I never met alot of them (competitive players are different to me since I played from the start) so I don't really know what they're like but I guess that happens, sucks since we all start somewhere (unless you netdeck :D) but its sad to see people drive away newbies...

Yea that does hit hard since i'm into anime, manga (studying design at the moment) and video games also TCGs but since their decline its harder to play. I found that majority of australians are more into sport and stuff rather than video games and TCGs and we get looked down upon by them alot (but that might be me).

[The_Dark_Monarch]

Oh, I never met alot of them (competitive players are different to me since I played from the start) so I don't really know what they're like but I guess that happens, sucks since we all start somewhere (unless you netdeck :D) but its sad to see people drive away newbies...

Yea that does hit hard since i'm into anime, manga (studying design at the moment) and video games also TCGs but since their decline its harder to play. I found that majority of australians are more into sport and stuff rather than video games and TCGs and we get looked down upon by them alot (but that might be me).
Nearly every Aussie duelist I have personally met has been an arsehole.

Maybe I am just meeting all of the arseholes...who knows eh?

[LDEvolution]

Nearly every Aussie duelist I have personally met has been an arsehole.

Maybe I am just meeting all of the arseholes...who knows eh?
Sucks you haven't met me yet :D, most of them are but there are those who are kinda shy but really nice to talk with but they don't say much so you kinda miss them.

I talk alot and pretty easy going but I usually snap when people act like an arsehole to someone else cause its just wrong and stupid.