newest revised Dark Magician deck

[dynalda99]

hey there. i have just came up with a new dark magician deck. now, please don't flame because you don't see mainstays of most DM decks, such as: Apprentice Magicians, Dark Magic Attack, Double Costons, etc. I am also in the process of making a side deck. so any help with that is appreciated as well. i don't have the side deck started yet, so bear with me. well, here's the deck, it's a cross between a TCG/OCG deck. Enjoy!

Monsters: 20
3 Dark Magician
3 Apprentice Magician
3 Peten the Dark Clown
3 Skilled Dark Magician
2 Kycoo the Ghost Destroyer
2 Magician of Faith
Breaker the Magical Warrior
Cyber Jar
Dark Magician of Chaos
Jinzo

Spells: 12
2 Curtain of Black Magic
2 Dimension Magic
2 Thousand Knives
Change of Heart
Dedication Through Light and Darkness
Heavy Storm
Mystical Space Typhoon
Pot of Greed
Premature Burial


Traps: 8
2 Magic Drain
Waboku
Call of the Haunted
Deck Destruction Virus of Death
Magic Cylinder
Ring of Destruction
Torrential Tribute

Side Deck
Sorcerer of Dark Magic
Kycoo the Ghost Destruction
Magical Scientist
2x Waboku
Solemn Judgment
2 Nobleman of Crossout
Fissure
Book of Moon
Swords of Revealing Light
Card Destruction
Diffusion Wave Motion
Scapegoat
Dimension Magic


Fusion Deck:
2x Sanwitch
also trying to get a Thousand Eyes Restrict

[dynalda99]

anyone able to rate/fix this??? is it that horrible to the point where no one will even bother to check???

[KeybladeMasterA]

-1 Jinzo

-2 Spell Economics
-1 Book of Moon
-1 Scapegoat
-1 Nobleman of Crossout
-1 Tribute to the Doomed

-2 Magic Drain
-1 Waboku

These are all really more the type of card you might want to include in your Side Deck, but your Main Deck just needs the space for much more worthwhile cards.
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+3 Dark Clown Master Peten/Peten the Dark Clown
+3 Apprentice Magician/Apprentice Magician
+1 Magic Scientist/Magical Scientist

+1 Distressing Choice/Painful Choice
+1 Sealing Swords of Light/Swords of Revealing Light

+1 Deck Destruction Virus of Death/Cush Card
+1 Sixth Sense/Not released in the TCG as of yet.

The basic premise of your deck was pretty good, but it was in dire need of the aforementioned cards. Magical Scientist is always nice, and the Petens and Apprentices really add a lot of much-needed speed. Plus, they all work with the DDVD. The Swords offer some protection, and Distressing Choice and Sixth sense add more speed.

[dynalda99]

hey there keyblademaster. just wanna say, i love your kingdom hearts deck! and thanks for the input, BUT...
that just turns it into Atem's deck, doesnt it? well, i know his deck is very well structured. hell, i even studied it and took it apart for analysis. but anyways. thanks for the input. spell econ is in there becuz it takes away the half LP cost of curtain. but good changes nonetheless. i playtested my deck the way i made it and its pretty stable. well thanks again, and keep making awesome original decks
lastly, i was posting this deck in the hopes of getting people to say: Hey! i wish i had done that! (due to the originality of spell econ+curtain. o well...)
thanks

[KeybladeMasterA]

hey there keyblademaster. just wanna say, i love your kingdom hearts deck! and thanks for the input, BUT...
that just turns it into Atem's deck, doesnt it?

Looking back at it, yeah, I guess it does. It's not completely the same, but it's only like a three- or four-card difference. The strange thing is, I wasn't even trying to model this deck after Atem's; it just kind of came out that way.

spell econ is in there becuz it takes away the half LP cost of curtain.

I realize that, but I just don't think it's worth it. In fact, I'm against the Curtains in the first place, but that's just a somewhat groundless personal preferrance, and I like to make a point of not modifying the decks of others based solely on my opinions alone.

i was posting this deck in the hopes of getting people to say: Hey! i wish i had done that! (due to the originality of spell econ+curtain. o well...)
thanks

I wouldn't exactly call the combination of Spell Economics and Dark Magic Curtain "original," as it was thought of by almost everyone as soon as the card came out. However, that is neither here nor there.

But really, decks should be posted not for praise, but for help. In my opinion, you should never put a deck up just 'in the hopes of getting people to say: Hey! i wish i had done that!'. Put a deck up because you think it has potential that you currently can't see, or because you just require assisstance with it. A good deck is its own reward.;)

[dynalda99]

hey again
fine words matched by fine wisdom. well, thanks for puttin up with me, lol. and yes, a good deck... one can always dream to hold it, and alas not see the potential it has. well, thanks again and good luck in your future dueling endeavors.

[rarehunter]

Good deck. I agree with some of things keymaster said. Spell Economics isn't a bad card for certain decks but i do agree with keymaster that maybe economics isn't the best card for a dm deck. Also I would suggest taking out Nobleman,Tribute to the Doomed, and Book of moon. I'm fine with the magic drains and extra waboku though.

[dynalda99]

this is how my deck looks now. rate/fix it again please!

Monsters:
3 Dark Magician
2 Skilled Dark Magician
2 Kycoo the Ghost Destroyer
3 Apprentice Magician
2 Magician of Faith
2 Peten the Dark Clown
Breaker the Magical Warrior
Cyber Jar
Dark Magician of Chaos
Jinzo

Spells:
2 Curtain of Black Magic
2 Dimension Magic
Card Destruction
Change of Heart
Dedication Through Light and Darkness
Heavy Storm
Mystical Space Typhoon
Nobleman of Crossout
Pot of Greed
Premature Burial
Swords of Revealing Light
Tribute to the Doomed

Traps:
2 Magic Drain
3 Waboku
Call of the Haunted
Deck Destruction Virus of Death
Magic Cylinder
Ring of Destruction
Torrential Tribute

[RCG_]

since when were black magic attack and double ghost "mainstays" for black magician decks? those cards mainly stink compared to other cards. Have you ever thought of Gemini Elf? Use 2 or 3 of him and then use Mythological age. its a great strategy and you can summon black magician up the yin yang, especially now that we have distressing choice back.

[dynalda99]

hey, how does the latest revised deck look? any comments?

[xyz_knight]

-cyber jar
-waboku
-thousand knifes
+ 3 magician's valkiria
- dedication through light and darkness
- 1 dark magician
+ distressing choice
+ skillled dark magician

distressing choice dumps dark magician into the cemetery = deck thinning, and skilled dark magicain gets them back. ( those are just my opionions, please do not flame )

[xyz_knight]

since when were black magic attack and double ghost "mainstays" for black magician decks? those cards mainly stink compared to other cards. Have you ever thought of Gemini Elf? Use 2 or 3 of him and then use Mythological age. its a great strategy and you can summon black magician up the yin yang, especially now that we have distressing choice back.

what is mythological age? never heard of them before...

[Astrael]

The problem with your Black Magician deck is that there's really no strategy or coherence. This is the deck you'd create if you didn't have access to the cards that make Black Magician good.

Jinzo's not that great anymore without Witch, so you really can't rely on it. And he seems like a conflict of interest with the number of traps you use.

However, you do score serious points for not including a single supportless BMG like so many people like to do. This is not even close to how i'd build a BM deck, but if it works for you. All I ask is that you use three Petens. If you're going to use less than that, you might as well not use him at all.

Cards to consider:

-Theft/Snatch Steal (removal sucks now, so jack'em instead)
-Repeating Magic
-Sorcerer of Black Magic, Magical Scientist, Critch/Sanwitch x2
-Power of Magicians/Mage Power (duh....)
-Magician's Valkyrie (expensive, but nice)

[dynalda99]

+ nobleman of crossout/emissary of obliteration
- curtain of black magic

i think i will be getting a third peten by next tuesday or thursday, whenever my friend can get it to me. and another thing is, what is repeating magic? i mean is, what is it in english, since i run a tcg/ocg deck, lol. well, is it double spell? um, as for the valkyria, theres probably no chance i can get it locally, and i dont plan on trading online for it, so yeah... althought it would be a nice card to have. jinzo is my game ender in case i run across burn decks, which is poisoning my area, so thats why he's in there. well, thanks for all the feedback, and keep suggesting if you guys see fit

also, if i got the peten, what should i take out for him? maybe a kycoo? what do you think? thanks again

[dynalda99]

hey astrael

what do you mean cards that make the dark/black magician good? if you are referring to the cards you suggested for consideration, then no, i dont have the access to those cards.

oh, and last post i forgot, beisdes taking out the extra curtain i took out a waboku

ok thats all for now

[Astrael]

hey astrael

what do you mean cards that make the dark/black magician good? if you are referring to the cards you suggested for consideration, then no, i dont have the access to those cards.

oh, and last post i forgot, beisdes taking out the extra curtain i took out a waboku

ok thats all for now

No. The cards I mentioned aren't what makes it good. Those cards make a spellcaster deck in general good. It's just that your deck focuses more on winning the game with cards that aren't Black Magician. Making me wonder why you're even using it. I always figured if one wanted to use BM, it was because of stuff like Black Magic or Black Paladin. Or even Black Flare Knight in some cases. Hell, Thousand Knives would be a better choice over Tribute to the Doomed... But your BM isn't really used for anything. If it weren't for the Curtain, i'd say just throw in Cosmo Queen instead.

[anime003]

Here's what i would do: (and ppl please read through the entire thing before flaming/making unnecessary comments)

Monsters:
-1 Android Psycho Shocker
-1 Cyber Pod
-2 Kaiku, Turner of the Dead

+3 Magician's Valkyria
+1 Dark Clown Master Peten

Magic:
-1 Emissary of Obliteration
-1 Hand Obliteration
-1 Change of Heart
-1 Sealing Swords of Light

+1 Distressing Choice
+1 Dimension Magic
+2 Black Magic Attack
+1 Curtain of Black Magic
+1 Diffusion Wave
+2 Magic Shard Excavation
+1 Theft

Traps:
-1 Magic Drain
-1 Ring of Destruction
-1 Emissary of Harmony

+2 Drain Shield

So the deck would look like:

Monsters: 17
Black Magician x3
Black Magician of Chaos
Skilled Black Magician x2
Magician's Valkyria x2
Apprentice Magician x3
Saint Magician x2
Dark Clown Master Peten x3
Magic Warrior Breaker

Magic: 18
Curtain of Black Magic x2
Dimension Magic x3
Initiation of Dark and Light
Black Magic Attack x2
Diffusion Wave
Magic Shard Excavation x2
Emissary of Obliteration
Tempest
Cyclone
Jar of Greed
Early Burial
Distressing Choice
Theft

Traps: 7
Cry of the Living Dead
Deck Destruction Virus of Death
Magical Cylinders
Tidal Wave
Emissary of Harmony
Drain Shield x2

Also, you might wanna add a side deck:

Kaiku, Turner of the Dead x3
White Magician Pikeru x3
Change of Heart
Thousand Knives x3
Death Reversal
Diffusion Wave
Initiation of Dark and Light
Curtain of Black Magic
Emissary of Obliteration

Tell me what you think! You might wanna move around the thousand knives/ diffusion waves/ initiations/ curatins/ black magic attacks/ dimension magics. That's why you should have a side deck.
As it is in it's current state, i'd give it a 6/10. It's kind of uncentered, and has much room for improvement.

[dynalda99]

excuse me, but what is death reversal?

[anime003]

excuse me, but what is death reversal?
Death reversal (http://www.ideal808.com/product.asp?ID=5532)
It's also known as rebirth of the dead, and reversal of dead.

[RCG_]

dude, what are you talking about? Black Magician is among probably the top 5 easiest monsters to summon in the game. 3 black curtain, choice, 3 mythological age, skilled black magician and you get him out first turn almost every time if you wanted to.

mythological age is a trap that puts a normal monster in defense mode from the grave. its like call for normal monsters and you put them in defense. so use it at end of opp. turn, get back black magician in defense (or gemini elf if you dont have BM in grave yet) and then in your turn, put it in attack. its great.

APS did NOT need witch to be great. He's still the best tribute monster in the game and one of two monsters i have the utmost respect for, the other being Chaos Soldier. He can devestate the game, in any deck, because everyone uses traps. He is always a force to be reckoned with. Underestimating it will make you lose duels.

[anime003]

dude, what are you talkng about? Black Magician is among probaly the top 5 easiest monsters to summon in the game. 3 black curtain, choice, 3 mythological age, skilled black magician and you get him ot first turn almost every time if you wnated to.

mythological age is a trap that puts a normal monster in defense mode form the grave. its like call for normal monsters and you put them in defense. so use it at end of opp. turn, get back black magician in defense (or gemini elf if you dont have BM in grave yet and thne in your turn, put it in attack. its great.

APS did NOT need witch to be great. He's still the best tribute monster in the game and one of two monsters i have the utmost respect for, the other beign Chaos Soldier. He can devestate the game, in any deck, because everyone uses traps. He is always a force to be reckoned with. Underestimating it will make you lose duels.
Hey buddy, i never said anything about APS needing witch, or anything about him at all. I took him out because the tribute count was too high. I agree it's one of the best monsters, but not for this deck. And i know what mythological age does, and there are just better cards then that to get BM out. And, um, why are you mentioning gemini elf? It's a really out-dated card that isn't even in this deck.

[RCG_]

I was responding to Astrael.

[anime003]

I was responding to Astrael.
HEHEHE............ :(
sorry for flaming, i was in a bad mood and i thought you were talking to me.

[dynalda99]

ok, i made some changes to my deck.please fix/rate and tell me what you think! thanks

[dynalda99]

ok, i made some changes to my deck. all the changes are done to the fiirst one. check it out and tell me what you think

[anime003]

I would still go with this:

-2 Kycoo the Ghost Destroyer
-1 Jinzo

+1 Diffusion Wave
+2 Black Magic
+2 Magic Shard Excavation
+1 Distressing Choice

-2 Magic Drain
-1 Waboku
+1 Drain Shield

[dynalda99]

i just:

- Nobleman of Crossout/emissary of obliteration
- Dimension Magic

+2x Thousand Knives

[TheRockBoS]

I was responding to Astrael.
Would you mind helping me create a competitive TCG (English) Black Magician deck?

[dynalda99]

hey therocbos

i PMed you about making a TCG DM Deck. i hope it will help.

[DanTheTimid]

I would still go with this:

-2 Kycoo the Ghost Destroyer
-1 Jinzo

+1 Diffusion Wave
+2 Black Magic
+2 Magic Shard Excavation
+1 Distressing Choice

-2 Magic Drain
-1 Waboku
+1 Drain Shield

Eh, why do you like Magic Shard Excavation so much, I'm not saying your wrong I'm just wondering why you like it, I looked through the posts and didn't see you mention why you suggested it. Giving up 3 cards from hand to get back 1 magic from grave is pretty harsh. I'd personally sooner use Double Spell although I'm not that fond of that spell either. Anyway just wondering what I'm missing.

[RCG_]

It's difficult to make a Black Magician deck in English. No Dimension Magic, no curtain, makes him much much, slower, but with Soul Ressurection, he's now plausible. If you have apprentice, I could send you one.

[dynalda99]

hey there. i made some official chanages to my deck! well, i just wanna ask what i should take out for 2 Black Magic/Dark Magic Attack? i also got painful/distressing choice. what should i take out for that? thanks

[anime003]

Here are my suggestions:

Main deck:
-2 Kycoo the Ghost Destroyer
-1 Jinzo

-2 Thousand Knives
+2 Nobleman of Crossout
+2 Dark Magic Attack
+1 Distressing Choice
+2 Double Spell

-2 Magic Drain
-1 Waboku
+1 Drain Shield

Sideboard:
+2 Kycoo the Ghost Destruction
+1 Jinzo
+1 Magic Drain
+2 Thousand Knives
-2 Waboku
-2 Nobleman of Crossout
-1 Fissure
-1 Swords of Revealing Light

[dynalda99]

anyone else have any opinions as to what i should take out for 2 dark magic attacks and a painful choice? another thing, i dont have any better monsters to replace the Kycoos at the moment. i dont know if i have enough monsters to attack with and get the black magician out quickly. well, give me suggestions and ill see what i can do. thanks

[Vampirelord64]

I dont know about "new" but its still a good deck. FYI, run a more original DM deck. There are so my cookie cutter DM decks out there

[dynalda99]

well... it was new, until i changed the premise of curtain+spell econ, lol. and it's no longer "new" because i update the first thread all the time to see what you guys think of the changes i made. well, hope that clears it up. also, i am trying to make my deck more original, but cant think of any ways at the moment.

[dynalda99]

and yet no one has any idea what i should take out for the 2 dark magic attacks... *sigh* can someone please help? i am really stumped at this point. i can only think of taking out both knives for them. i dunno what else. so any help would be greatly appreciated. also, i dont want to just go and look at some other BM deck and copy it, so yeah. well, thanks for your time.

[blackpaladin87]

and yet no one has any idea what i should take out for the 2 dark magic attacks... *sigh* can someone please help? i am really stumped at this point. i can only think of taking out both knives for them. i dunno what else. so any help would be greatly appreciated. also, i dont want to just go and look at some other BM deck and copy it, so yeah. well, thanks for your time.

Take out the Knives. Multiple Dimension Magics are enough removal.

[Astrael]

dude, what are you talking about? Black Magician is among probably the top 5 easiest monsters to summon in the game. 3 black curtain, choice, 3 mythological age, skilled black magician and you get him out first turn almost every time if you wanted to.

mythological age is a trap that puts a normal monster in defense mode from the grave. its like call for normal monsters and you put them in defense. so use it at end of opp. turn, get back black magician in defense (or gemini elf if you dont have BM in grave yet) and then in your turn, put it in attack. its great.

APS did NOT need witch to be great. He's still the best tribute monster in the game and one of two monsters i have the utmost respect for, the other being Chaos Soldier. He can devestate the game, in any deck, because everyone uses traps. He is always a force to be reckoned with. Underestimating it will make you lose duels.


I guess I put my foot in my mouth when I failed to point out that I run a BM deck myself, and know just about everything there is to know about the archetype. I know Black Magician is one of the fastest monsters. But only a moron summons him when your opponent has a full hand. And especially on a turn in which BM can't even attack. Only four monsters I can think of benefit from a first turn summoning. REBD, Scientist/Turtle and CED. And that's only because of their tremendous direct damage potential.

APS is obsolete. He's a decent sideboard card, but totally unneccessary in a Black Magician deck, which excels in m/t removal and has the ability to quickly recover from hazardous traps. Nevermind the fact that with the amount of traps people use these days, they'd be lucky to even draw one to make it worth summoning. And a BM deck needs not fear an opposing APS since the quickplay Dimension Magic will teach it a long deserved lesson. Woe be to whoever assumes it is a face-down trap. :P But, all that aside, APS requires a tribute and is a machine. That's one less monster you can play with Dimension Magic. BM decks don't need to tribute anything. Put APS in and suddenly it does. Cutting efficiency for a gimmick card with sub-optimal attack strength that isn't even a magician! If i wanted to stop traps, i'd use Imperial Control. Which is a lot easier to keep on the field now that everyone has switched to Dust Tornado.

[dynalda99]

hello fellow BM players! well, i just wanted to point out to Astrael, you mean to say APS is "obsolete" in a BM deck, correct? if so, fine. BUT, i might even oppose you on that front. while i agree BM decks do not need APS, it would be a little harsh to call him "obsolete". thats my two cents.

now, regarding the Black Magic Guild... what else do we do besides talk online about cards and play cards while on YVD or whatever??? is there any chance of us getting to rate cards, share our stories, etc? i know that would make it like pojo, but it would just be us BM players/friends. well, just thinkin, thats all. thanks for your guys' time and support.

[ManOfDarkMagic]

drop the waboku. It keeps the Apprentice's search effects from being used.