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Cromat
10-06-2004, 11:52 AM
Tauros@Choice Band
Adamant
6 HP, 252 Atk, 252 Spd
->Return
->Earthquake
->HP Ghost
->Iron Tail

In my opinion one of the best starters in the game. Iron Tail for Aero and because there isn't anything else to put on him.

Venusaur@Leftovers
Adamant
252 HP, 129 Def, 129 S.Def
->Sludge Bomb
->Sleep Powder
->Leech Seed
->Synthesis

You've seen this.

Swampert@Leftovers
Brave
118 HP, 252 Atk, 140 Sp.Atk
->Earthquake
->Surf
->Ice Beam
->Roar

Owns Skarmory and Salamence who think they're safe after seeing EQ. Phazer.

Gyarados@Lum Berry
Jolly
85 HP, 252 Atk, 173 Spd
->Dragon Dance
->HP Flying
->Earthquake
->Taunt

Sweep sweep. Works better than T-tar in my opinion and doesn't give me a 3x Fighting weakness. I need 264 speed to outspeed jolt/aero after one DD, so I need Jolly, and because that leaves me with speed to spare i gave EVs to HP and i have exactly 264 speed.

Blissey@Leftovers
Bold
252 HP, 252 Def, 6 S.Def
->Seismic Toss
->Thunder Wave
->Aromatherapy
->Softboiled

Surprise.

Gengar@Leftovers
Naughty
252 Atk, 145 Spd, 113 Sp.Atk
->Subsitute
->Focus Punch
->Thunderbolt
->Shadow Ball

Not sure about EVs, but he works well.

Kuiper
10-06-2004, 05:09 PM
Tauros oughta be Jolly. Also, I'd say Hyper Beam over Iron Tail for when you'll die anyway or you really really really need to take out that Weezing or whatever. Iron Tail's only good for forcing a switch if you're lucky enough to have it lower defense...

Venuauar should have 252 attack EVs, because in fact he doesn't get to power up too often, sadly. He's got a lot of common weaknesses.

Last time I checked, that Swampy was pretty much standard, with some EV variations. =/

I'd jack Gyra's speed up a few notches for outspeeding fellow Dragon Dancers plus Kingdra, Eggy, and junk like that. Sub over Taunt cuz it blocks all but (p)haze, plus it can trigger Liechi (cuz you don't need Lum when you got Sub).

Blissey should only have defense in order to survive long enough to Counter. Heal Bell over Aromatherapy for the rare occurence of Soundproof enemies paired with Ditto or Mimic. =/

I use:

Gengar@Lefties
252 spd, 252 sp. attk, 4 HP, Hasty
T-bolt
F-punch
Sub
HP:ice

Bolt-beam plus Sub-punch and you're good to go against dragons and grounds and occasional grass. Immune to Blissey. Either way, max speed.

Cromat
10-06-2004, 08:12 PM
Giving Tauros Jolly is useless as he won't really outspeed anything he doesn't already outspeed. Hyper Beam is only viable on Slaking.

Venusaur is not meant to sweep. His ability to sustain damage is more important, so he could sleep and leech of pokemon.

No, you're wrong. Blissey can take special hits like nothing anyway, and with 252 Def EVs and Bold she can sustain some physical blows as well. That is the best EV set for Blissey.

Max speed Gengar is a waste, and he has to have Atk EVs to actually hurt someone with FP. I put Psychic over Shadow Ball, but HP Ice is an option.