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Is it just me, or does it feel like every general topic on YGO has already been discussed? I've been on this forum for quite a long time, and lately I find that I end up seeing the same topics over and over again. One would think the smart thing to do would be to think up a concept or create a new strategy; thing is, I'm a rusty YGO player so I don't know the latest news on this game. Perhaps I've lost interest? I don't think so. Since I don't care to post a rare topic, or bore you with the same topics you see every week, I'll freestyle about certain YGO issues to make things interesting.
1) What is with this strong desire to be a "pro" at this game. You know the type---the kind of player who believes good results in a children's card game gives them the right to think they're better than other players. There's something about it I just can't stand. They're both arrogant and ignorant. Arrogant in the fact that their self-esteem is way too high, and ignorant because they think they cannot be defeated, and that if they are defeated they make excuses as to why they lose. I got to duel one of those types yesterday. Yeah, he was a real bum, that one. He played BW---I won't bore you with the details because we all have discussed it before at one point or another.
The point is, I locked him very nicely with an Obelisk, a Testudo erat Numen, and x5 of the best defesive S/Ts you can think of. He wasn't a happy camper in the slightest. Now I know you're thinking: "Wake, dude, why are you being proud and gloating in his loss?" That's just it---I'm not. I was silent for most of the time save for the greeting, and "good game." "What's the point, you say?," my point is that he was both arrogant and ignorant to me and he had is ass silently handed to him and yes I will say that with some residual sense of gratification because it felt good.
People like this aren't easy to reason with over the internet. Kinda like the pro-cannibalist I debated on YouTube yesterday. If you try to reason with them their ignorance comes out; if you're passive when talking to them, their arrogance comes out instead if not in addition. Many like to laugh it off; it's only human nature. What's my point? I dislike arrogant YGO players. What can we do about it? Well, let's see... reason can be somewhat effective, but I found something even better. It's not that hard---beat them with a deck they think is inferior, and when they massive ego is deflated, then hammer them about why they lost. Now, I know the majority of players don't have this problem. Good.
This part was directed to those who do have this problem. If you deal with such an arrogant player, do what I stated and it just might work. I've actually 'healed" the inflated ego of at least 3 different players. Also, don't get me wrong---I love competitive play but I dislike the arrogant/ignorant attitude that can come with certain players.
Moving along...
2) What is with this undying obsession to post a list thread? What's your favorite card? Deck? Sleeves? Strategy? Music? Character? WHAT FREAKING YGO MONSTER YOU'D BE!!? Yeah I know it's typical, but it just gets annoying. Perhaps it's just a way to get +1 posts, or perhaps it's just a nonchalant way of passively "fitting in" to the forum scene; it's "safer" too when you post a list thread rather than make a thought-provoking thread for fear of criticism. Lol. Well, I beat this one dead.
Moving on..
3) Another thing that interests me is the discussions of how to make this game better. Many people discredit KoJ/KDE and insult them; they say that they are ruining/killing the game. Well, I never knew the game was dead. *Looks around* Is it just me, or is it that every week there's more people active in the YGO forums? Don't believe me? Compare the level of activity from today compared to three years ago. Sure, you could say that's not indicative of YGO players but more on the popularity of the Pojo forums.
I'm not too convinced because, if I recall, Pojo has been active since -I think- a few years before YGO ever hit the USA. Besides, it is plausible to suspect that many players came from Pokemon into YGO; I think there was a PkMn forum for the card game when it was raging like a wildfire accross the nation. Not sure, though. My point in this part is that if the game is dying, why are more and more YGO players being active on Pojo? Wouldn't there be a decrease?
Furthermore, if memory serves, about a year ago there was a massive SJC with over 1,000 players. Now, given that time period, weren't there also people a few months before that screaming at the top of their lungs how this game was dying? Relax, everyone---the game is not dying. Go out and buy a structure deck or something and don't scream that the sky is falling. You know how panic feeds recession? Yeah, cut it out.Now touching on the main part of this segment---KoJ and KDE. Now, what is with all this hate? I don't know of all the specifics that have transpired during my absence from the game, but we do know the game is thriving; this gives me cause to wonder why people are being so critical. People wanted variety. Variety came out and people complained. They wanted to see Rituals become strong. We got Demise and we again moaned. I can go through more examples if you wish; the point is that players are complaining as well as saying the game is dying.
What can I do? Reason. Look. Whatever the TCG, there will always be something you don't like about it; that is true. Since I can't strap Brain Control to a massive satellite and get players to shut up, I simply ask that you think about what the company has done for the game, and deal with it the best you can.
Finally...
4) Reprints. Oh yeah. The big one. You know, I would love to see a game without reprints of any kind. There shouldn't have been any reprints, ever. You see, I'm of the mindset that good cards must be earned by pulling them at random. I also believe that such rare cards must be highly costly. Why? It's good for business and serves as excellent tradebait. The thought of reprints sends shivers down my spine---I spent far too much effort earning the cards that I pulled whilst storing them away like the fat packrat that I am. You see, if we never reprint cards, everyone will have a chance to get the cards they want---even the ones from seven years ago.
This, of course, is also a sign of how much better I am than you. By holding onto such rare and valuable cards, I ensure that when packs are no longer reprinted, that you, the poor filthy player, can get such cards at a reasonable price of 100+ dollars. Let's also not forget that young children who fuel our game and keep it alive are made of money. Why, it's common fact that parents gladly spend their hard-worked and non-taxed money for their deserving children in such a good economy as this one. Furthermore, we all know that rarity of card equals rarity in skill.
A rare master you must be at dueling to hoard your expensive cards, no? Truly, reprints are a blight to this game, because with reprints, people actually have an equal chance to afford to get good at this game. And of course we all know that these younger noobs we all mislike never get the urge to think that "Hey, maybe if I buy a few more competitive cards, I can become a good competitive player." Why of course not, Billy---younger children who understand and value the concept of competitive play are not the lifeblood of this game. Oh ho ho...
Discuss.
Durza413
06-17-2010, 05:53 PM
wall of text ftw....
paragraphs would have been nice..
PsychicKid
06-17-2010, 05:55 PM
AHHHH I just got crushed by the wall of text.
Holy hell. You gotta format this a little better. That is just too much unseparated text. Hurts my eyes.
wall of text ftw....
paragraphs would have been nice..
AHHHH I just got crushed by the wall of text.
Holy hell. You gotta format this a little better. That is just too much unseparated text. Hurts my eyes.
Don't worry, I just seperated it back into paragraphs. My computer had a demon in it, thus it came out as a monstrosity; it's alright now.
Durza413
06-17-2010, 06:03 PM
just got done reading. I agree reprints suck, but it allows konami to cash in. Once a pack goes out of print, the valueables go up in value, and go through the hands of many diffrent players. But of all these transactions, konami makes no money. What im saying is, once a card goes into the maket, konami makes no money off of it. When it's reprinted, the pack sells like crack.
just got done reading. I agree reprints suck, but it allows konami to cash in. Once a pack goes out of print, the valueables go up in value, and go through the hands of many diffrent players. But of all these transactions, konami makes no money. What im saying is, once a card goes into the maket, konami makes no money off of it. When it's reprinted, the pack sells like crack.
The fourth topic was solid satire/sarcasm.
ZeroSpore
06-17-2010, 06:05 PM
Great read and everything you said was spot on.
Reprints are great for this game when they are controlled.
*******s who think winning at card games makes the better than everyone else get on my nerves. I dont really see them much at my locals but when I go to regionals or SJC, I play them... all of my rounds...
The game is getting more popular as the days go by. I love how my locals used to have around 15 players regularly and now reaches 35-40! When it was raining no less! :D
Durza413
06-17-2010, 06:08 PM
The fourth topic was solid satire/sarcasm.
oh. hard to tell with the text prior to the edit. Well thats just my opinion.
Great read and everything you said was spot on.
Reprints are great for this game when they are controlled.
*******s who think winning at card games makes the better than everyone else get on my nerves. I dont really see them much at my locals but when I go to regionals or SJC, I play them... all of my rounds...
The game is getting more popular as the days go by. I love how my locals used to have around 15 players regularly and now reaches 35-40! When it was raining no less! :D
That's true. I just dislike the doomsayers and those who are vehemently against reprints. They ruin the game.
Altador
06-17-2010, 07:22 PM
Good read but doesn't this belong in the article section?
Busterslash35
06-17-2010, 07:24 PM
At first I was like ._.
Then I was like o_O
If you hadn't said anything, I couldn't tell if you were being sarcastic or trolling.
Anywho, I agree, there's not much to really discuss. Most of the threads are just +1 factories, or at least thinly veiled ones, and unfortunately most of the people that WOULD create interesting discussion don't/won't post.
As for the game dying... I really don't have a clue. I could say it's getting more popular, what with my locals doubling in size as of a few weeks ago, but I think that has more to do with school being out for summer. >_>
I hope it's not dying though, cause I find it fun to play and it more fun when there are a lot of people to interact with rather than a locals with the same 10 people every week (exaggeration).
celtic guardian
06-17-2010, 08:01 PM
In your 1st paragraph you mentioned the best way to hit cocky players is beat their deck with 1 they don't believe is competitive? cuz that rarely happens, bro
i mean, congrats and all for beating him with your... obelisk... stall... deck thing :p but id be pissed playing you too if all i could do is sit there and wait to deck out or whatever the final strategy was... doesnt sound fun to play against at all
The_Dark_Monarch
06-17-2010, 08:10 PM
1. People like to have the label of 'pro' to give them justification for playing the game because 'I play a 'kid's card game' for fun' just doesn't cut it.
2. People post innane topics because they want to start a topic that requires no braincells and they want attention.
Yes, every topic has been done to death, but if people just posted one whenever a new set was released, or somebody won a YCS, the forums would stagnate.
3. Haters will hate, whiners will whine and doomsday prophets will spruik.
4. People who have spent good money on shiny cardboard will biatch and poor folk will rejoice.
There did I cover it?
I agree with pretty much all of this. Although some reprints do make my heart drop a little, I really don't care because it just means more challenge for me. Snobby players make me angry as well, you have no idea how many I've had to deal with, and then how many resort to cheating to beat me.
I do like some of the pointless topics here like what card would you be and whatever XD
KillinSpoon
06-17-2010, 08:32 PM
You forgot one type of thread that turns up quite often also.
'My thoughts about the game' threads.
It is like being in a relationship and having nothing to talk about, so you just sit their awkwardly and repeat the same old stuff.
That being said, it does pick up. Everything seems to go through eras, regardless of whether you see it or not. Art did, humans did, video games are now (realism era), and communities which require the slightest bit of creativity will.
Red Comet90
06-17-2010, 08:51 PM
Oh man. This thread is made of so much win. In all seriousness it really is. Everything you said is spot on. I'm so sick of people who feel being pro at this is a life calling or that they themselves feel it necessary to point out just how "bad" you are when to be honest they are usually the ones that are "bad." Yu-Gi-Oh! "Pros" are the main thing I have against this game. Its not the game itself that's rotten, its a good majority of the people who play.
I don't have a problem with people posting a list thread. Yeah it does get redundant, but all forums have that to a certain extent. It happens and there really is no way to avoid it. Just look at all the "pros" that fill up this site. Do you really think they are mentally capable of making a thread that isn't about a list? XD
You are correct with point number 3. The game isn't dieing. Its actually becoming a lot more widespread as are all the other TCG's. It seems card games aren't such an underground thing anymore. Its actually become quite popular. I really want to see what the TCG scene will be like in 5 years or so. The hate against Konami is always going to exist. Never can all people be satisfied and if you haven't noticed the internet is a place where people WASTE their time just to post hate instead of to have an intelligent discussion. Most forums just boil down to baseless hate for something. Few forums avoid it.
At first I thought you were serious about hating reprints. I was like "WHAT JUST HAPPENED? DID THIS GUY TROLL US?" But you admitted its sarcasm so I get your point and I agree. Reprints are a good thing, not only for the company, but for the new players who are coming in. I mean its not like the game is dieing or anything now is it? :p
Norius
06-17-2010, 08:53 PM
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wall...of...text...
argh...my eyes burn!!!:eek:
Aarikku
06-17-2010, 09:00 PM
The fourth topic was solid satire/sarcasm.
Man, I was worried for a second. I was like "Reprints, okay. *read read* wut. *read read* ...WUT."
It doesn't seem like you really left much to discussion. Obviously no one's going to look at #1 and be like "Hey, arrogance is awesome!", #2... well... I don't think anyone truly knows why people post list threads and #4's sarcasm. So at best, the discussion's going to be "I DISAGREE WITH #3 BECAUSE I THINK YUGIOH IS DYING." "I DON'T.".
Well, I have more on my mind now that I think of it.. Norius, go wash your eyes out with water since it hurts you so. I guess I was more or less rambling/ranting--- I still enjoy giving my thoughts on this game, though.
5) Originality. Good lord this concept always bugged me because there would be those who said they originate ideas and should "copyright" those ideas; the others simply they were crazy. My belief is that since Konami creates all card effects, they thus own all card combos and ideas; thus all strategies originate from KoJ---this nullifies the "originators" position. Meh, having discussed this topic many times over there's not much else to say about it.
I need to find out what the latest debates/issues in this game are..
austinb12
06-17-2010, 09:17 PM
good read. i agree with the reprint thing 100%
Red Comet90
06-17-2010, 09:23 PM
I thought I should point this out just to further prove everything the OP has said. Had this been any other thread about some stupid crap it would be at page 3 by now and yet its only about 3/4 of the way down the first page.
The_Dark_Monarch
06-17-2010, 09:26 PM
So, this thread is meant to be the be-all and end-all of it?
/Pojo
KillinSpoon
06-17-2010, 09:28 PM
So, this thread is meant to be the be-all and end-all of it?
/Pojo
Haha, I just love how all the people in here see this as an original thread.
In the past week I've seen about 4-5 of these threads.
So, this thread is meant to be the be-all and end-all of it?
/Pojo
Not sure what you mean.
Haha, I just love how all the people in here see this as an original thread.
In the past week I've seen about 4-5 of these threads.
Even though others have made such threads, that doesn't change anything. A thread is not just about topic, but content and style of writing---not so when it comes to list threads which repeat the same question over and over with little other talk.
The_Dark_Monarch
06-17-2010, 09:44 PM
Not sure what you mean.
What would be left after all those threads you mentioned are not included?
What would be left after all those threads you mentioned are not included?
Quite a few others, I would imagine. I'm not saying I'd want them stopped, mind you; it simply gets rather annoying, having been on for six years while seeing the same topics repeat themselves. I don't mean to really get into that specific subject... just my opinion on it.
celtic guardian
06-17-2010, 09:54 PM
well, just because I'm not a huge fan of reprints or anything, I wanna say I don't think ATM anything at all needs to be reprinted
I mean, GS03 is so full of win and all, but we don't need reprints when the format is the way it is right now
KillinSpoon
06-17-2010, 09:55 PM
Even though others have made such threads, that doesn't change anything. A thread is not just about topic, but content and style of writing---not so when it comes to list threads which repeat the same question over and over with little other talk.
I know, I understand that, but by making a thread about annoyances of continually-popping up threads, which is also one of those topics that rises quite frequently. It is quite contradictory.
The_Dark_Monarch
06-17-2010, 09:58 PM
Why not do what I do when I get pissed with Pojo?
Come on here once a week instead of every day and take your dose of 'stupid threads' all at once?
Musiqman23
06-17-2010, 10:03 PM
Great read wake. You and I have had our discussions in other threads that turn out great. Everything you said was spot on. To be honest I dont have a problem with anything in the game because no matter what players say or do, they cant ruin my experience because I choose not to let them. Reprints, "Pros", Whiners. doomsday prophets as Monarch put them, let them all have their place in the game because the contribute to the cardpool as well as the tournament field. Overall great read.
HochDeutsch
06-18-2010, 12:23 AM
Just itchin' to troll folks with those paragraphs about reprints, eh? But you laid it on so thick that I'm guessing it was intentional. In any event, I'm a big fan of reprints in principle, since I like the idea that better playing, not a bigger wallet, makes champions. However, at the moment, it seems like a cruel temptation, since usually about 75% of a given deck is cheap, and then you have to shell out $50-200 to complete the last half. You can buy three copies of the Zombie World deck and combine 'em with some cheap cards (like a $0.50 Vampire Lord or two and a pair of $2 Goblin Zombies) and be... 2 cards away from a legitimately good Zombie deck. Because you ain't getting Mezuki or Plaguespreader Zombie without shelling out the cash of cash. Feh. We need Bottomless Trap Hole, Dimensional Prison, Torrential Tribute, and Dark Bribe to be $1.00 like Enemy Controller, Mystical Space Typhoon, Heavy Storm and Call Of The Haunted are. Every deck's gonna need 'em, and if you want to build multiple decks you'll be spending hundreds just to fill out the bare minimums...
TheRockSays
06-18-2010, 12:56 AM
Well i can't really consider this game a "kid's card game" a dumb old person around there 30s walks up to you and tells you stop playing kid's games i would respond ok go get your son buy him the most expensive deck out there and i would win because of competive level a person has to have. And of course there are hardly any children that top a jump or regionals maybe like 1 out of 50 children would actually top.
Reprints are ok they save people money plus pros are the only people who can afford to spend over 300 dollars to buy an infernity deck for example. But not just everyone can use an infernity deck but you don't have to be pro to use it.
Right now that game is not gonna die anytime soon.The Format its pretty good everyone have a good chance to win(Except if your playing my friend captain fusion which his stacking power its over 9000!?)
Supremeking_Judai
06-18-2010, 01:10 AM
Yes .
dust2dust
06-18-2010, 01:13 AM
1) Players aim to be the best is human nature. Most people aspire to be that because they invest a great deal of time in to it. The fact is, there are certain privileges when it comes down to being a pro. being well know will gain you some ground when it comes to trading. Those who doesn't know any better will come to believe that the pros know what's best, blindly believing in what's worth it, prices etc. it also creates an intimidating presence when playing against them. This is speaking from an average player who doesn't really know the so call pros personally. This is the motivation for those who want to be pros. The arrogance an effort to try to build that intimidation, and the ignorance is an effort to preserve that. Also remember the age range of those who plays. They are mostly late teens and early twenties. They don't exactly have much else if they dedicate that much time into this game already.
2) This is simply out of boredom. It can also be a result from newcomers trying to get more post so the can have an access to sigs and vet forums.
3&4) Yes, these two topic ties in pretty well. If you think about it, the direction Konami is taking this game is simply make it easy for people to join the game and keep them with new deck ideas and slowly cycling out old deck ideas that keeps winning. reprints are an evidence of this. with cheaper cards, it make it anyone can join. This, however, is a good and bad thing.
Making the cards cheap means it's harder in terms selling in the 2ndary market, which is exactly what Konami wants. In my opinion, a good portion of older players (not the thirty somethings, but the twenties or so) play so they can get good cards, buy cards and resell for more money, get good trades to profit, and keep making the game cheap for them. As cards get cheaper. trading is harder and harder, as well as the profit margin of each trade. Vendors has to sell more cards to make up for less profit on each transaction. This will in term lead to those people to get out of the game, which is what Konami wants.
The remaining players are those who plays to just play, not profit, but to get better. This, along with new players, will eventually lead to more competitive environment, which is shown by the increase of tournament turn outs. It's also my opinion that people keep playing because the already have invested so much time and money into the game.
Also, they reprint cards for competitive decks later on so more people have access to them, then nerf the deck and promote the new theme with tcg exclusive, making the new theme the new chase cards. This ensures sales of new packs and reprint packs, and of course, is what Konami wants. I guess that's ok if you like to continue to spend money towards something that probably not going to give you any in return besides "fun". Then again, if that's the case, Magic is a better investment. You can pretty much say Konami twists the meta to what sells them the most packs.
xSTRAIGHT EDGEx
06-18-2010, 01:13 AM
i agree with all ur ideas good points and as for the sarcasm i loved it man lol
celtic guardian
06-18-2010, 11:02 AM
Just itchin' to troll folks with those paragraphs about reprints, eh? But you laid it on so thick that I'm guessing it was intentional. In any event, I'm a big fan of reprints in principle, since I like the idea that better playing, not a bigger wallet, makes champions. However, at the moment, it seems like a cruel temptation, since usually about 75% of a given deck is cheap, and then you have to shell out $50-200 to complete the last half. You can buy three copies of the Zombie World deck and combine 'em with some cheap cards (like a $0.50 Vampire Lord or two and a pair of $2 Goblin Zombies) and be... 2 cards away from a legitimately good Zombie deck. Because you ain't getting Mezuki or Plaguespreader Zombie without shelling out the cash of cash. Feh. We need Bottomless Trap Hole, Dimensional Prison, Torrential Tribute, and Dark Bribe to be $1.00 like Enemy Controller, Mystical Space Typhoon, Heavy Storm and Call Of The Haunted are. Every deck's gonna need 'em, and if you want to build multiple decks you'll be spending hundreds just to fill out the bare minimums...
this guy here knows exactly what he's talking about
if the game was like it was when ls roamed free, then we wuld need reprints, but we have so many options that you dont need to spend money on the cards to win, so why should we reprint things like Battle Fader and emmersblade when you dont even need em to win?
Pyrrhus
06-18-2010, 09:28 PM
1) What is with this strong desire to be a "pro" at this game. You know the type---the kind of player who believes good results in a children's card game gives them the right to think they're better than other players. There's something about it I just can't stand. They're both arrogant and ignorant. Arrogant in the fact that their self-esteem is way too high, and ignorant because they think they cannot be defeated, and that if they are defeated they make excuses as to why they lose. I got to duel one of those types yesterday. Yeah, he was a real bum, that one. He played BW---I won't bore you with the details because we all have discussed it before at one point or another.
The point is, I locked him very nicely with an Obelisk, a Testudo erat Numen, and x5 of the best defesive S/Ts you can think of. He wasn't a happy camper in the slightest. Now I know you're thinking: "Wake, dude, why are you being proud and gloating in his loss?" That's just it---I'm not. I was silent for most of the time save for the greeting, and "good game." "What's the point, you say?," my point is that he was both arrogant and ignorant to me and he had is ass silently handed to him and yes I will say that with some residual sense of gratification because it felt good.
People like this aren't easy to reason with over the internet. Kinda like the pro-cannibalist I debated on YouTube yesterday. If you try to reason with them their ignorance comes out; if you're passive when talking to them, their arrogance comes out instead if not in addition. Many like to laugh it off; it's only human nature. What's my point? I dislike arrogant YGO players. What can we do about it? Well, let's see... reason can be somewhat effective, but I found something even better. It's not that hard---beat them with a deck they think is inferior, and when they massive ego is deflated, then hammer them about why they lost. Now, I know the majority of players don't have this problem. Good.
This part was directed to those who do have this problem. If you deal with such an arrogant player, do what I stated and it just might work. I've actually 'healed" the inflated ego of at least 3 different players. Also, don't get me wrong---I love competitive play but I dislike the arrogant/ignorant attitude that can come with certain players.
Of course, its not as if the desire to be pro is what is at fault here. Because as you can surely see there are those on the opposite end of the spectrum who pride themselves in the sole fact that they are not "pros", "netdeckers", "bandwagoners", etc. and take pride in every very victory over others whom they (often erroneously) label as such. The flaw is human nature, people are prideful arrogant beings and whilst some people may be able to keep their egos in check, others cannot. It won't be readily escaped any time soon, and it certainly won't be escaped by wickedly beating said egoites hundreds of times over - that will be more likely to make them quit the game, which while some may consider that a victory the egoites will still retain their ego and simply carry it off with them into other aspects of their lives. Its not a battle that can be won.
Since you have listed an example, I shall do the same.
I like Lightsworn. I enjoy the milling effect, I like that all their cards work coherently together, and I like that in building a Lightsworn deck you need to take the factor of dead draws and mills into account to make it work.
As such, I took a Lightsworn deck to a tournament for fun, it was merely a locals and there I ran into someone running a Marco deck. As soon as we began our game I drop Charge for Lumina and followed with the generic open of Lumina into Garoth, instantly he sighs, slops back in his chair and drolls out "oh great, another netdecking prick". See the issue? I hadn't provoked him, hadn't called his deck inferior, yet automatically by running a deck that has proven itself successful I was the prick.
But I digress, the main thing that bugs me about that crowd is that just as the "pros" place too high a value on "creds" the "original" players place too high a value on originality - and both sides end up deluding themselves.
Yes, winning a childrens card game does not make you a better person than others, but in that same breath - Marco Cosmos isn't an original decktype. Nor is fiends, or Morphotronics; simply because a deck doesn't top tournaments does not make it original.
This is becoming remarkably tl;dr so I'll just wrap it up with the fact that I think you are focusing on the wrong aspect of what makes "pro" players so dislikeable. They would be dislikeable regardless of what they thought about results because in essence they are the same people that are dislikeable for their over-obsession with creativity. There is no difference between the two extremes other than what they are extreme in. The attitudes are the same - and those attitudes are human. They aren't going anywhere any time soon.
I agreed with pretty much everything else you said. Your last paragraph was oozing with sarcasm. I think I'm still a bit drippy.
Cloak007
06-23-2010, 03:52 AM
Despite how much I play it, I actually don't like it that much.. So many problems with it. Its unbalanced, broken and random most of the time. I only play it because my friends do.
Konami likes to make broken ass cards for $$$ then hit them on the next ban list which takes WAAAAAAAY to long with all these cards that come out in between them.
The_Dark_Monarch
06-23-2010, 07:37 AM
Celtic Guardian[/YGOCARD];18252514]this guy here knows exactly what he's talking about
if the game was like it was when ls roamed free, then we wuld need reprints, but we have so many options that you dont need to spend money on the cards to win, so why should we reprint things like Battle Fader and emmersblade when you dont even need em to win?
I need Battle Faders to win, because my Final Countdown and Fiend decks just aren't the same without them.
I cannot afford them though. :(
celtic guardian
06-23-2010, 07:54 AM
I need Battle Faders to win, because my Final Countdown and Fiend decks just aren't the same without them.
I cannot afford them though. :(
no, you need them to win with your select deck
if you cared about winning, youd run a cheap deck that wins (machinas, gb's, blackwings)
if you cared about playing a certain deck (like your fiends, Final Countdown) then that matters more than winning, which means that you don't need them
if you care about playing a certain deck AND a care that it wins, then you can spring for them since at this point these cards are like luxuries
if you want to play a certain deck AND want it to win AND not have to spend money on it... well you gotta get real and pick your battles
The_Dark_Monarch
06-23-2010, 08:02 AM
Celtic Guardian[/YGOCARD];18302230]no, you need them to win with your select deck
if you cared about winning, youd run a cheap deck that wins (machinas, gb's, blackwings)
if you cared about playing a certain deck (like your fiends, Final Countdown) then that matters more than winning, which means that you don't need them
if you care about playing a certain deck AND a care that it wins, then you can spring for them since at this point these cards are like luxuries
if you want to play a certain deck AND want it to win AND not have to spend money on it... well you gotta get real and pick your battles
I don't understand.
I know I must get them at any cost because they are a 'luxury item'...
All I know, is that if I get Battle Faders, my 'fun' decks will have a better chance to win..
Of course not all decks need them to win, but mine do..
If you saw my builds, you'd understand....
celtic guardian
06-23-2010, 11:18 AM
I don't understand.
I know I must get them at any cost because they are a 'luxury item'...
All I know, is that if I get Battle Faders, my 'fun' decks will have a better chance to win..
Of course not all decks need them to win, but mine do..
If you saw my builds, you'd understand....
what im saying is that your deck needs them to win, but YOU dont need them to win
You can always buy 3 machina mayhem structure decks if you care about winning
but I know you, and I know you care about winning with fiends. If you care that much, you can pay for them. If you dont, you can make GB's or accept that you fiend deck is for casual playing instead of competitve
degozaru
06-24-2010, 12:56 AM
Celtic Guardian[/YGOCARD];18303395]what im saying is that your deck needs them to win, but YOU dont need them to win
You can always buy 3 machina mayhem structure decks if you care about winning
but I know you, and I know you care about winning with fiends. If you care that much, you can pay for them. If you dont, you can make GB's or accept that you fiend deck is for casual playing instead of competitve
Buying 3 battle faders is cheaper than a fresh gb deck.
The_Dark_Monarch
06-24-2010, 06:32 AM
Buying 3 battle faders is cheaper than a fresh gb deck.
Agreed, and in my country, it's cheaper than buying 3X Machina Mayhem Structure Decks, a Solemn, Mirror Force and a few Smashing Grounds/Books of Moon too. lol
celtic guardian
06-24-2010, 08:15 AM
Buying 3 battle faders is cheaper than a fresh gb deck.
thanks to gs03, the only thing expensive in GB's is 3 Test Tiger and 2 war chariots
Additional Comment:
Agreed, and in my country, it's cheaper than buying 3X Machina Mayhem Structure Decks, a Solemn, Mirror Force and a few Smashing Grounds/Books of Moon too. lol
you definatly dont need Mirror Force
solemn is a good choice, but its not manditory
run fissure instead of smashing if you have to
mmaxlegends
06-26-2010, 10:54 PM
I'm for reprints all the way. they allow new players to have access to cards they need for decks without spending huge amounts of money for singles and still not have enough cards to play. like Naruto tcg a guy on there spent hundreds of dollars on lots of singles for his deck and still is making adjustments. this makes the game unattractive to the mainstream, but now that they are going to start introducing reprints things will pick up i believe
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