quiters

[ranma7267]

some people r quiting naruto :( what r ur thoughts on this ?

plz disscus

p.s. i have a pretty good idea y but i want someone elses opinon

[Slifer12345]

The game has lost some of its potential since the Shippuden set releases making cards more broken then they have to be. So to deal with it they make a restricted list and semi limited list moving more towards a game that is soon going to ban cards in order to control a game. This is my opinion.

[ranma7267]

very good opinon and well thought out thx u that was my idea but i couldn't have been able to put it like that :)

[BankaiAlucard]

I am basically quitting but will play for fun because of these reasons

1. constant broken cards

2. power creeps just are annoying

3. big wants = major money cards

4. over half the deck is considered to be full of staples

5. 1 misplay=game over

[prophecy250]

I originally left yugioh to play naruto back when coils was the new set. I liked the game because it was easy to build a winning deck for cheap. Also, it had much better prize support than yugioh (mats vs. more packs) and the players were so much more tolerable.

Flash forward to the shippuden sets, now each ninja is completely overpowered and you're drawing 4+ cards a turn while stockpiling massive chakra for your jutsu that cost almost nothing.

I quit naruto mainly because I don't live near any tournys, plus it's just too expensive to keep buying new supers because they drastically overshadow the previous ones.

[ranma7267]

all very good answers keep them coming lol [coming]

[Justmcnew]

Well I had my reasons for quiting the Naruto CCG about a year ago, I still standby them as well. Some of the reasons why I got out was because the game was becoming more like Yu-Gi-Oh!, I didn't care about the Anime/Manga series for Naruto anymore cause it got too depressing and more emo, and I found a much more balanced TCG to play.

What TCG is it you ask? Pokemon. You won't regret it, I've had more fun playing the Pokemon TCG than I had when playing Naruto shortly after Eternal Rivalry hit the scene and Bandai kept screwing things up with the game itself. Infact I don't really trust Bandai anymore when it comes to CCG's or TCG's.

At least in Pokemon I can play decks that nobody else in my meta is running and not be forced to go cookie-cutter with my decks. Though sometimes it's kinda harder than it sounds however I've had more wins and close games with Pokemon than with playing a deck in Naruto that I don't enjoy playing but I'm forced to anyway.

Deep down it's really about what TCG/CCG you have the most fun playing.

[prophecy250]

I totally agree about Pokemon being the superior TCG in terms of balance and variety. I actually left Naruto for Pokemon as well, but then went back to Yugioh since there are no Pokemon players, tournys or leagues around me. My only qualm with Pokemon is Claydol and Uxie. I hate how you have to run them in order to keep up with the opponent.

[ranma7267]

intresting i would imagen that it would be a lot funner but when u live ib an area with nothing but naruto player how would one strat but i think i would have more fun with naruto cuz i love the manga/anime and its always cool to see ur favoite charcter with an awsome effect but all and those are fairly good reasons

[Justmcnew]

I totally agree about Pokemon being the superior TCG in terms of balance and variety. I actually left Naruto for Pokemon as well, but then went back to Yugioh since there are no Pokemon players, tournys or leagues around me. My only qualm with Pokemon is Claydol and Uxie. I hate how you have to run them in order to keep up with the opponent.

Well I got some "good" news regarding that, next year after Worlds 2010 for the Pokemon TCG most of the Diamond/Pearl sets are gonna rotate out of the Modified format meaning that Claydol and Uxie won't be tournament legal anymore, but this is still 9 months away from now.

Claydol and Uxie are actually now being given out as Promo cards for Pokemon League nowadays, they used to go for $20 a pop but they're alot easier to get now since they're being reprinted as promo cards. Yeah Nintendo/Pokemon USA changed the way Pokemon League is played where instead of getting badges you get promo cards instead.

Yu-Gi-Oh! bleh, There is a way you can find a nearby Pokemon League in your area. Just go to Go-Pokemon.com and hope for the best of luck I guess. Or you could try to qualify as a Pokemon Judge and Professor and run your own Pokemon League, I'd suggest that prophecy250.

[Ryu Juini]

Oh you're so full of it, Justmcnew. Pokemon isn't balanced at all. It has the same flaw that Naruto has in terms of Opening Hand Rules The Game.

What happens if you open with a single basic and your opponent drops Machamp? Extend Hand.

This sort of problem is what dominates the current Pokemon Metagame: Speed, Speed, and More Speed. You HAVE to run an extremely fast deck to avoid being Doinked, and EVERY deck in the meta is a Doinker at the moment.

Pokemon is nothing short of Speed your way to victory. But most TCG's are like this. Yu-Gi-Oh!, Magic, and Naruto all have this issue.

The differences here?

Yu-Gi-Oh!: Your best cards go for $20-300
Magic: Best cards go for $20-100
Pokemon: Best cards go for $20-60. Sometimes higher, IE: Broken Lv. X's.
Naruto: Best cards go for $15-40, and 40 is a HUGE stretch.


Naruto is having Power Creep issues, but Pokemon is doing the SAME crap. So is Yu-Gi-Oh! on a lower extreme, and Magic... well, it's Magic. It always Power Creeps eventually.

So don't go praising Pokemon as balanced. I've never seen a game so bad at Opening Hand = GG. Maybe Yu-Gi-Oh! though. Depends on how their new Ban List goes.

So yeah. Enjoy Pokemon, one of the most expensive Per-Pack games around, and oh don't you dare not run a Meta Deck. Doink!

PS: Pokemon is 50% Staples.

PSS: Justmcnew? Your signature is beyond the 5 Lines Length. I'm too lazy to get your signature priv's banned but just letting you know there's a 5 Lines Length, including spaces, regardless of Image, limit. When Signatures are longer than Posts, we have an issue.

Mini-Modding? Perhaps.

[Anko]

Oh you're so full of it, Justmcnew. Pokemon isn't balanced at all. It has the same flaw that Naruto has in terms of Opening Hand Rules The Game.

What happens if you open with a single basic and your opponent drops Machamp? Extend Hand.

This sort of problem is what dominates the current Pokemon Metagame: Speed, Speed, and More Speed. You HAVE to run an extremely fast deck to avoid being Doinked, and EVERY deck in the meta is a Doinker at the moment.

Pokemon is nothing short of Speed your way to victory. But most TCG's are like this. Yu-Gi-Oh!, Magic, and Naruto all have this issue.

The differences here?

Yu-Gi-Oh!: Your best cards go for $20-300
Magic: Best cards go for $20-100
Pokemon: Best cards go for $20-60. Sometimes higher, IE: Broken Lv. X's.
Naruto: Best cards go for $15-40, and 40 is a HUGE stretch.


Naruto is having Power Creep issues, but Pokemon is doing the SAME crap. So is Yu-Gi-Oh! on a lower extreme, and Magic... well, it's Magic. It always Power Creeps eventually.

So don't go praising Pokemon as balanced. I've never seen a game so bad at Opening Hand = GG. Maybe Yu-Gi-Oh! though. Depends on how their new Ban List goes.

So yeah. Enjoy Pokemon, one of the most expensive Per-Pack games around, and oh don't you dare not run a Meta Deck. Doink!

PS: Pokemon is 50% Staples.

PSS: Justmcnew? Your signature is beyond the 5 Lines Length. I'm too lazy to get your signature priv's banned but just letting you know there's a 5 Lines Length, including spaces, regardless of Image, limit. When Signatures are longer than Posts, we have an issue.

Mini-Modding? Perhaps.

But weren't you a mod before? ;)

[Ryu Juini]

Yes I was :D

[Samurai_Of_Dawn]

People quit for many reasons. Only reason I see people quit this game is because the rogue list. Really now, quitting over something silly such as "omg, they restricted such and such card! Screw this, I quit cuz my deck isn't competitive any more!" Seriously, if you quit because of such an execuse like that, you're deck wasn't competitive in the first place. There's such a thing as learn to adapt and move on. Besides, don't look at it as a bad thing. Instead, look at it as a way to experiment with other cards. You'll be suprised that other cards can function pretty well for a substitute/replacement. I suppose in the world of gaming, people are pretty scared to try new things and would rather walk on the same old beaten path that the majority make up.

Then again, alot of people complain because they can't cookie cutter the hell out of their deck like they used to because a little bit of thought/improvision has to be done.

That's my opinion. Had to get that off my mind, as I've been seeing alot of "hell with this game, I quit because such and such" lately.


Oh, before I forget... Anyone notice that people who usually quit such and such game always comes back?


That's my 0.10 (yes, this opinion wasn't a cheap 0.2 cents lol)

[Justmcnew]

Oh you're so full of it, Justmcnew. Pokemon isn't balanced at all. It has the same flaw that Naruto has in terms of Opening Hand Rules The Game.

What happens if you open with a single basic and your opponent drops Machamp? Extend Hand.

Well yes Pokemon isn't perfectly balanced, but I have more fun with it than Naruto. Same flaw as Opening Hand Rules The Game? I haven't ever had that problem with Pokemon cause If you get a Basic that you didn't want to start out with you'd still be able to make up for it later and have a good chance of winning. That's why most people run Roseanne's Research and/or Call Energy for good early game setups.

I know what it's like to win on 1st turn where I have Machop out evolving it with Rare Candy to get out Machamp SF and slap a Fighting Energy on it to win with Take Out. It's the reason why people call Machamp "Macheap" but donks do happen in the Pokemon TCG.

It's one of the flaws in the game where people have to learn to adapt with and it's not that big of a problem to me. Not ALL games in the Pokemon TCG consist of 1st turn or 2nd turn donks but it can happen on some occasions.

This sort of problem is what dominates the current Pokemon Metagame: Speed, Speed, and More Speed. You HAVE to run an extremely fast deck to avoid being Doinked, and EVERY deck in the meta is a Doinker at the moment.

Pokemon is nothing short of Speed your way to victory. But most TCG's are like this. Yu-Gi-Oh!, Magic, and Naruto all have this issue.

I remember back in the 2008-2009 Modified format when the Pokemon Meta wasn't quite as fast as it is now and this was before Platinum came out, I was running a Torterra deck that was pretty good until the Platinum sets came around and got owned by Speedrill.

That made me realize how the format changed from somewhat slow to fast paced and unless I kept up with the fast decks in the meta I didn't have a chance to compete seriously. Yes there's deck's that donk like Rampardos, Shuppet, Gyarados, and maybe a few others but Shuppet is the most popular donk deck in the current meta right now.

Shuppet Donk can be stopped and there's a few good tech's to go up against it like Spiritomb (Platinum: Arceus), Dialga G, and Mewtwo Lv. X. Heck my other decks we're able to beat it too like Blastcatty and FlyChamp.

Most decks require drawpower staples like Claydol GE and Uxie LA to keep up with your Opponent and If they aren't running enough drawpower to keep up with yours then there's a high possibility that they might lose. I understand that but If your Opponent doesn't adapt to it by running their Claydol or Uxie's or something that makes up for it that's their problem.

Luckily Claydol GE and Uxie LA were reprinted as Promo cards for this season's Pokemon League, making it easy for people who can't afford $20 for them to be able to run them in their decks, sounds cool eh?

You can never have too much drawpower when it comes to the Pokemon TCG, it was insanely crazy back in the day with Professor Oak and Bill in Rain Dance Blastoise but times have changed since then and the pace of being able to pull that off again in the current Modified format is unlikely.

The differences here?

Yu-Gi-Oh!: Your best cards go for $20-300
Magic: Best cards go for $20-100
Pokemon: Best cards go for $20-60. Sometimes higher, IE: Broken Lv. X's.
Naruto: Best cards go for $15-40, and 40 is a HUGE stretch.

Yu-Gi-Oh! I understand,
Magic's problem is the expensive Mythic's like Baneslayer Angel and Lotus Cobra having to be utility cards for competitive decks instead of collectible cards.

There are some good Uncommons and Rare's that are less than what Pokemon Lv. X's go for, and some of the Holo-Foil Rare's tend to be around $10 or so depending on how popular the card is. I haven't seen a Pokemon card go for around $60 besides maybe Time-Space Distortion but I think it dropped in price, Flygon Lv. X goes for around $35, most Pokemon Lv. X usually don't go higher than $35 with the lowest being around $20-$25.

Naruto is having Power Creep issues, but Pokemon is doing the SAME crap. So is Yu-Gi-Oh! on a lower extreme, and Magic... well, it's Magic. It always Power Creeps eventually.

So don't go praising Pokemon as balanced. I've never seen a game so bad at Opening Hand = GG. Maybe Yu-Gi-Oh! though. Depends on how their new Ban List goes.

So yeah. Enjoy Pokemon, one of the most expensive Per-Pack games around, and oh don't you dare not run a Meta Deck. Doink!

To me Naruto's power creep issue's aren't quite as bad as in Pokemon at least when I used to play Naruto, the reason for the Power Creep problems in Pokemon is mostly due to the R&D design of the Diamond/Pearl sets and Platinum as well so you could tell Magic players in Japan designed the sets, in a sense.

In HeartGold & SoulSilver, you can tell that the power creep has died down drastically and the game is going back to the way it was before Diamond/Pearl. There is a potential problem with the cost of how many Pokemon Prime will be played in most decks next year but that's yet to be seen.

Well If you really wanted to know I play "Meta Decks" that some of my other friends aren't playing, I do have a friend of mine who runs Rogue decks and designs them based on what kinds of card synergies he finds. Infact I played against a Rogue deck at Battle Roads a few months ago and it was pretty fun.

PS: Pokemon is 50% Staples.

PSS: Justmcnew? Your signature is beyond the 5 Lines Length. I'm too lazy to get your signature priv's banned but just letting you know there's a 5 Lines Length, including spaces, regardless of Image, limit. When Signatures are longer than Posts, we have an issue.

Mini-Modding? Perhaps.

Pretty much, doesn't most TCG's have staples anyway? Seems kinda commonplace. I'll see what I can do about shortening my signature.

[Ryu Juini]

That's good. Some people are anal about the Signature Thing. I'm not, but I like giving Smart Users Fair Warnings.


In any case of the matter, that was a great rebuttal, done very mature-like. Ultimately it was great having a conflict of interests with you! Pokemon IS a good game, and yes I was mostly hinting at Time-Space Distortion when I said the $60 price tag. Pokemon isn't TOO bad at pricing, but it's packs can get really expensive in comparison to other CCG's, annoyingly.

If I had to choose a game to play now a-days, it would probably be Pokemon. I do enjoy Naruto but Bandai needs to figure out where they're going with it, since it's been sort of up in the air lately.

[Justmcnew]

I hardly see anyone play Time-Space Distortion anymore, heck most people run Night Maintenance and/or Palmer's Contribution which are cheaper to get cards and are alot better than TSD.

The way I see it Bandai's focusing more on Battle Spirits than Naruto and Dragonball.

[yusketheraver]

Ive been in and out of naruto the past 2 years (got in when Battle of Destiny came out) and i gotta say its far more balanced than yugioh, and if people are quitting because cards got restricted then they need to grow up. Yugioh has over 50 cards banned/restricted/limited. And every set we have cards that are insanely overpowered with the start of Chaos Emperor Dragon to today with judgment dragon and Dark Armed.

Yes ill admit that Naruto has been having a power creep since BOD with the rise of sexy gaara and special power (which essentially led to cards being unaffected/not targeted by other cards)

My least favorite thing about this game is that it is all early turn game play. if you cant win the early game your screwed. If turn 1-4's became more balanced this game would become much better.

Why gaara tn was brought back to 3 is above me atm, card wrecks havoc in the early game.

And pokemon is not balanced as long as uxie and claydol who are the 2 most amazing and broken draw cards in any tcg, are allowed to roam freely.

[Justmcnew]

Well there's alot of flaws to the Naruto CCG that I don't like, the Rogue List didn't bother me too much but it does seem annoying to me though. I think it was also the unbalance of all the elements that bothered me, as well as the power creep that started from Eternal Rivalry up to today.

The Early Turn Gameplay like you said is also bothersome, how it dictates which person wins is a no-go for me. Then again it's been a year since I last played the Naruto CCG so I may be a bit iffy on my analysis. A single misplay in Naruto can cost you the game but a misplay in Pokemon isn't nearly as bad depending on the situation you're in.

How the game is based on a Anime/Manga series that has gone downhill in both the Anime/Manga effected me with the CCG as well. The Naruto series had alot of potential but to me it's already gotten from bad to worse up to the Pain Arc.

Now as for Pokemon TCG, yes Claydol and Uxie are insane but they should be out of the format by late next year which is 9 months from now. If that really bothers you not to want to get into the TCG itself, then you're missing out on a great TCG that may have it's flaws but makes up for it with it's diversity of decks among other upsides.

[MeGaMaRiK]

There was no power creep set 7 - 11.

A single misplay can cause you the game yes. But that's what distincts the good players from the bad.

Waiting 9 months for a card to go out of format seems like a bad solution in any card game.

[Justmcnew]

One of the reasons why the Pokemon TCG doesn't have a banned/restricted list is because it has Set Rotations similiar to what Magic does in Standard Type 2 and Extended Type 1.

That's one of the reasons why Claydol and Uxie aren't leaving the Modified format for Pokemon in 9 months, they're also needed to help make the majority of decks be as consistent as possible. Deck consistency is a key factor in most TCG's, especially Pokemon.

There are cards out in the Pokemon TCG that CAN stop Claydol and Uxie, infact there's a deck similiar to Mono-Blue Control from Magic in Pokemon called "Legos". Weird name I know, and 2 cards that can shutdown Claydol and Uxie are Team Galactic's Invention Power Spray and Mesprit (Legends Awakened).