The OFFICIAL Zendikar Discussion Thread #3

[Eternity]

First thread - http://www.pojo.biz/board/showthread.php?t=680974
Second thread - http://www.pojo.biz/board/showthread.php?t=743500
You can find all the information you need/want there.

Begin thread 3!

PS: Don't spam. If a post doesn't seem relevant, it's getting deleted. First and only warning. Don't get mad if I/we delete your post(s).

[Gatsby]

So, I created a T2 BR deck that uses Zen cards. I got to say, turn one Quest of the Gravelord and continuing assaults from Terminate, Doom Blade and Lightning Bolt is ridiculous.

[C9XGMR]

Is there a link to that cobra trap...?

[Mage Master]

Like to an image? Not that I'm aware of, I got the info from Salvation though so chances are it's legit.

[C9XGMR]

They haven't updated their list yet, at least the one I look at. W/e, guess its legit as an idea.
They have three more cards up however, another Vampire and a card that makes you search your deck for another trap... some meh.

[Eternity]

A new revealed card has peaked my interest...

Vampire Hexmage - BB
Creature - Vampire Shaman
First strike
Sacrifice Vampire Hexmage: Remove all counters from target permanent.
2/1
Uncommon

Now your first instinct would be anti-Planeswalkers. My first thought is Dark Depths (http://magiccards.info/cs/en/145.html). Who wants to help me build a Legacy combo deck? :D

[Mage Master]

Did I hear someone say Legacy? >.>

But yeah, Vampire Hexmage + Dark Depths + Rite of Consumption let's make it happen.

[Toshiro Umezete]

Is there a link to that cobra trap...?

Its part of a set of cards spoiled through riddles so no.

That trap searcher cost 1U, is an instant and or course grabs any trap. This makes the mill trap alot more playable due to effectively having 8 of it in the deck for some redundancy.

The vampire is nuts, 2 mana 2/1 first striker is already solid but knocking down walkers, putting quests down to square 1, and limiting +1+1 counter sheninigans are all good.

Plus north is right, Dark Depths found a friend.

[Eternity]

Plus North is right, Dark Depths found a friend.

Didn't take much; I've been trying to break it since pre-Alara Standard format.

But with Vampire Hexmage, I think the Vampire tribe could become a very viable deck in Standard.

[Toshiro Umezete]

Didn't take much; I've been trying to break it since pre-Alara Standard format.

But with Vampire Hexmage, I think the Vampire tribe could become a very viable deck in Standard.

And this guy beats Aether snap ( the only other easy way to knock those counters off) in spades.

And yes, the new vamp is a very solid 2 drop which the deck was weak on.

[Eternity]

And this guy beats Aether snap ( the only other easy way to knock those counters off) in spades.

And yes, the new vamp is a very solid 2 drop which the deck was weak on.

Big spades.

Mono-Black Vampire weenie deck with a couple fatties as finishers. Seems very plausible now. Now, if only Angels could get the same respect..

[poketo]

I have a feeling Hexmage will be in a lot of side boards that play black since almost every deck has some kind of counter creator.

[Gatsby]

Yikes, well at least it is not a vindicate on a stick.

Oi, it is such a Johnny card. I suppose you can use it to bust out Greater Gargadon or other suspending behemoth.

Dark Depths plus that is quite tasty.

[Rai Kerensky]

It is me, or is this the first set in a awhile that focuses on Extended and Legacy almost at much as Standard?

[NoirLamia]

I am liking the Hexmage, can't wait to get all these Vampires in real life.

[Red Ryu]

So turn three I have a 20/20 indestructible flying in play.

yikes.

[Gatsby]

Product Description
For gamers and fantasy fans alike, a fast-paced, stand-alone adventure that brings the popular trading card game Magic: the Gathering® to life.

Lurking in the space between the aether and the physical plane, there is a great evil waiting to emerge.

Zendikar is a land of danger and adventure, a world of deadly risks and priceless rewards. It is also a prison to one of the most deadly species known to the Multiverse: the dreaded Eldrazi.

When our story opens, part of the mystical containment spell that has kept the Eldrazi captive for millennia has been breached. The brood lineage, the Eldrazi minions, have been released and are poring over the plane, devouring everything in their path, but the swath they cut across the land is nothing next to the destruction that the still-imprisoned Eldrazi Titans will wreck once released.

Nissa Revane, a planeswalker and proud elf warrior of the Jorga Nation, is witness to what the brood lineage can do. She sees that they pose a bigger problem than most suppose. Sorin, an ancient vampire planeswalker, knows this as well as anyone because he was among the original jailers of the ancient scourge. He has returned to Zendikar to make sure the Titans do not escape. They both want the Eldarzi threat extinguished but each has their own agenda. Nissa wants the Eldrazi off her plane entirely. Sorin wants to put the lock back on their cell. And there are still others who want the Titans to escape.

Together they set out across the land on search of the Eye of Ugin, the source of the Eldrazi uprising, where they will face what could be their final challenge. Will the Eldrazi escape to menace the Multiverse once again?

Source (http://www.amazon.com/Zendikar-Teeth-Akoum-Magic-Gathering/dp/0786954760/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1253419181&sr=8-1)

So, Sorin is a good guy. Nice, a cool anti-hero.

[Red Ryu]

I wonder if this is proof of, Black =/= evil.

[NoirLamia]

Sorin is officially my new favorite walker, I can't wait to read the novel. I just uploaded my "Vampirica" deck into MWS and played against a Legacy Gruul deck and holy crap are Vampires sick. If anyone wants to face them let me know :)

So if I am correct the prerelease is this Friday and Saturday?

[Mage Master]

What did the "Gruul" deck play?

[NoirLamia]

What did the "Gruul" deck play?

It was actually an extended Gruul deck...I won on turn 5 or 6

He dropped Stomping Grounds, and boggart ram gangs. That's all I remember xD

[a-slice-of-cake]

Red: Look up Toshiro and Tetsuo Umexawa. Both were black, both were badass, and both were "good guys".

Isn't this "Eldrazi" the same name as that one sweet monument that made you sac dudes?

[NoirLamia]

Yea that monument is a glimpse of what the Eldrazi might look like, I am speculating though that they all with vary in image though. Similar to how slivers covered each color, I bet the Eldrazi will too.

[C9XGMR]

Eldrazi Titans sounds big and devastating.

[BYE_]

The prerelease is Saturday, correct?

[C9XGMR]

The prerelease is Saturday, correct?

Heck Yeah. 9/26-9/27 according to Wizard's website.
http://wizards.com/magic/tcg/events.aspx?x=mtgcom/events/prereleases

[Dunjohn]

Yikes, well at least it is not a vindicate on a stick.

Oi, it is such a Johnny card. I suppose you can use it to bust out Greater Gargadon or other suspending behemoth.

This won't work, the Hexmage only targets permanents.

The quality of the weenies in this set is pretty nutty. A couple of years ago, black would never have gotten a 2-power first striker with a useful ability and no drawback for only two mana. They agonised over Hand of Cruelty but eventually decided to make an exception. Now, they're everywhere....

[undercoverlucky]

Emeria Angel 2ww
Creature - Angel
Flying
Landfall—Whenever a land enters the battlefield under your control,
you may put a 1/1 white Bird creature token with flying into the battlefield.
3/3

Meh.

~Lucky

[Toshiro Umezete]

Emeria Angel 2ww
Creature - Angel
Flying
Landfall—Whenever a land enters the battlefield under your control,
you may put a 1/1 white Bird creature token with flying into the battlefield.
3/3

Meh.

~Lucky

This is a rare right? Otherwise its a super dumb limited bomb.

[pat460]

This is a rare right? Otherwise its a super dumb limited bomb.

I hope its not a rare. That'd be a disapointing rare to open.

[Toshiro Umezete]

I hope its not a rare. That'd be a disapointing rare to open.

I just checked on salvation, they don't know the rarity but it was spoiled because its the full art foil game day promo.:( 99.9% chance its a rare.

[l0k13]

Another good angel. It could see some play in what is shaping up to be GW landfall alongside knight of the reliquary and lotus cobras. I hope those who want to play that decktype have deep pockets because all signs show it'll be ridiculously expensive =)

[Rai Kerensky]

Journey to Nowhere
1w
Enchantment
Common
When Journey to Nowhere enters the battlefield, exile target creature.
When Journey to Nowhere leaves the battlefield, return the exiled creature to the battlefield under its owner's control.

New Oblivion Ring.

AEther Figment
1u
Creature - Illusion
Uncommon
Kicker 3
Aether figment is unblockable
If aether figment was kicked, it enters the battlefield with two +1/+1 counters on it.

Unimpressive.

Trapmaker's Snare
1u
Instant
Uncommon
Search your library for a trap card, reveal it, and put it into your hand.
Then shuffle your libary.

Someone just made Trap sexy. Now we need a Royal Decree.

[NoirLamia]

What do people think of this cute removal spell:

Disfigure
B
Instant
Target creature gets -2/-2 until end of turn
Common

Found: http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=185339

No pic yet

[Rai Kerensky]

Good removal is good.

[Gatsby]

This won't work, the Hexmage only targets permanents.


Argh, oh yeah. They're exiled.

Hmm...I kinda like Disfigure over Nameless Inversion.

[pat460]

Journey to nowhere=/= O-ring. O-ring hit anything. I like trapmakers snare a lot, and disfigure is pretty cool, too.

[Dunjohn]

Yeah, I was hoping they'd reprint O-ring again, but this Nowhere thing is probably better in Limited, and I have my Alara O-rings in Standard for another year.

Disfigure's nice. Last Gasp is another card I keep hoping they'll bring back in a Core Set. Now it has competition.

[NoirLamia]

I am loving Disfigure, does anyone think it is a 4-of in a black deck? I am gonna test it out with my Vampires.

[pat460]

I dont think its a 4 of, siply because you can have 4 doom blades, and do you really need 8 spot emoval spells? Plus, its only -2/-2. ts definatly a 4 of in Limited, but oustide that, I doubt it.

BTW- question about kickers, as I never played with them much, Do you pay the kicker at the same time as the regualr cost, or like as it comes into play, or something?

[Dunjohn]

BTW- question about kickers, as I never played with them much, Do you pay the kicker at the same time as the regualr cost, or like as it comes into play, or something?

It's an additional cost, so it's paid at the same time as the regular one.

[Siulzen]

Lots of cool stuff in Zendikar.

Can't wait to go to the pre-release with some of my friends.

So far what I'm dying to play are the new Vampires. They are so deadly and cool.

Though I would love to try the new Landfall creatures namely Rampaging Baloths and Ob Nixilis, the Fallen. That new Emeria Angel looks beautiful from what I can tell of the art; she's a mini Rampaging Baloths except she gives you Flying tokens. :)

Haven't played Magic since Mirrodin so I don't know how much I missed.

I started playing again in Alara, and I hear that Lorwyn and Shadowmoor are rotating. That's all I know.

[NoirLamia]

Lots of cool stuff in Zendikar.

Can't wait to go to the pre-release with some of my friends.

So far what I'm dying to play are the new Vampires. They are so deadly and cool.

Though I would love to try the new Landfall creatures namely Rampaging Baloths and Ob Nixilis, the Fallen. That new Emeria Angel looks beautiful from what I can tell of the art; she's a mini Rampaging Baloths except she gives you Flying tokens. :)

Haven't played Magic since Mirrodin so I don't know how much I missed.

I started playing again in Alara, and I hear that Lorwyn and Shadowmoor are rotating. That's all I know.

Dude if you build Vampires you are gonna love them. I just tested them out for the first time last night against a couple decks and they are solid. I can't wait to get my hands on the actual cards this Saturday :]

[Siulzen]

Dude if you build Vampires you are gonna love them. I just tested them out for the first time last night against a couple decks and they are solid. I can't wait to get my hands on the actual cards this Saturday :]

Excitement meter rising!

I sure hope my friends can go since I need a ride....:(

Good thing the Vampires look quite easy to obtain (except maybe Bloodghast). :)

[Mage Master]

I still think G/B is a very viable option for the pre-release/launch parties. Those colours both have some nice cards.

[Red Ryu]

Giant Scorpion 2b
Creature - Scorpion Common
Deathtouch 1/3

meh.

[NoirLamia]

Excitement meter rising!

I sure hope my friends can go since I need a ride....:(

Good thing the Vampires look quite easy to obtain (except maybe Bloodghast). :)

Yea, and you will probably want to get a set of the WB fetch and BG fetch. They help out so much if you are running Nocturnus. I have a starting decklist in my sig and that's the build I am going to try to get. It's so fun the way it is but with only half the set spoiled so far I bet it will get even better.

I still think G/B is a very viable option for the pre-release/launch parties. Those colours both have some nice cards.

Definitely, I would totally run that if my Vampire deck didn't rely on just vampires. Who knows, perhaps I will make a G/B deck relying to ramp into Sorin. That would be sweet!

[Toshiro Umezete]

Dude if you build Vampires you are gonna love them. I just tested them out for the first time last night against a couple decks and they are solid. I can't wait to get my hands on the actual cards this Saturday :]

My current vampire nocturnas count :14

Can't wait for vamps either, especially since nocturnas has already doubled in value since I got them.

So far this set has alot of win, cool mythics (lotus cobra forever!), fetches, vampires (no, not some prissy boy from washington or whatever), solid design (we needed a land theme for ages, and its actually hasn't been done before), and full art basics!

I'm in love with Zen, and M10 was one of my favorite sets as well so I'm extremly pleased with wizards as of now despite rule changes and making lotus cobra mythic.

Giant Scorpion 2b
Creature - Scorpion Common
Deathtouch 1/3

meh.

Limited filler is limited filler. Good at gumming up the ground though for evasive decks.

[NoirLamia]

My current vampire nocturnas count :14

Can't wait for vamps either, especially since nocturnas has already doubled in value since I got them.


Nice, I just got my last one I needed Friday but had obtained the others when M10 came out. I have a pretty foil one too that is from the pack, as are all the other non-foils ones I have too. I just didn't like the prerelease artwork too much. I am glad though that they have doubled in price, it makes me happy :)

I see Vampires becoming a top tier deck, I can't wait until the next 7 instances of Vampire are spoiled.

[Toshiro Umezete]

Nice, I just got my last one I needed Friday but had obtained the others when M10 came out. I have a pretty foil one too that is from the pack, as are all the other non-foils ones I have too. I just didn't like the prerelease artwork too much. I am glad though that they have doubled in price, it makes me happy :)

I see Vampires becoming a top tier deck, I can't wait until the next 7 instances of Vampire are spoiled.

Aww, I wanted a pack foil but didn't get them. I hate the fact that I like the prerelease art because its kinda almost nostalgic harkening back to the days of Sengir vampire; the style just seems to be a bit older. Then there is M10 art that is just plain awesome example of the improvements in fantasy art.

Anyway fingers crossed for a vamp lord, a one drop, and something busted.

Like
Rise of the Undead
BB2
Return all vampires from the graveyard to play.

That would be fun.

[NoirLamia]

Yes, oh my that would be sick. I would like to get a prerelease Nocturnus though just for collection purposes.

Here goes my quest to get each new vampire foil :D

[pat460]

I'm split on this set; I like th set a lot, but because of that I need like $160 for prere or release, a box, and a fat pack lol.

[Mage Master]

Yeah it's a good set, it's just pretty damn expensive.

[pat460]

Yeah, with the econmy all screwed up, that $200 I used to be able to spend on each s is getting harder and harder to do. Now $160 is looking undo-able. Maybe I'll skip prere/release.

[EchoIsWin]

Damn you Vamp players and your greed.

How about some more burn, Wizards D:

[Toshiro Umezete]

Damn you Vamp players and your greed.

How about some more burn, Wizards D:

Shock A
R
Kicker 4

Deals 2 damage to target creature or player, deals 4 damage instead if it was kicked.

Common

Shock B
R1

Deal 2 Damage to taget creature or player.
When an opponent gains like return [cardname] to owner's hand.
Uncommon


How's that? Not too shabby eh? (courtesy of salvation, certainly the best site for rumormongering)


So far I bought a set of this sets rares and a japanese case for $860 which is way too much for a college student to spend but I can always sell some of it. I already have people wanting the fetches from my rare set I bought and *** boxes are pretty easy to sell for $110 ea around here so I should be fine.

[poketo]

IDK if you just buy boxes with the set nothing lost but with the rising tournament costs (like draft and sealed going up 10 bucks in the past 5 years) it may not be a fun with the random playtesting.

[EchoIsWin]

Two mana is too much for two damage.

[a-slice-of-cake]

For free 2 damage (if they play one of those new duals, at least)? Gimme gimme gimme.

Remember, this should be aimed at their creatures, not them.

[pat460]

IDK if you just buy boxes with the set nothing lost but with the rising tournament costs (like draft and sealed going up 10 bucks in the past 5 years) it may not be a fun with the random playtesting.

Woah, and I was complaining about a $4 increase from one store to the next! tats wierd, we still draft for 12 or 16 depening on which store you go to.(I oviosly prefer te 12 :p)

[poketo]

Well I remember that Sealed were 15 bucks a few years ago (a bit of a wrong reference) but they shot up lately...

All I do is just abuse the ability of boxes making the prices 2.50 still.

[Gatsby]

http://www.wizards.com/mtg/images/tcg/products/zendikar/at9we52gco_EN.jpg

Looks fun to mess with.

http://www.wizards.com/mtg/images/tcg/products/zendikar/46pczikgme_EN.jpg

And picture of the Harrow reprint.

[EchoIsWin]

4 burn for 2 mana, Wizards? :3

A guy can dream.

[Eternity]

http://www.wizards.com/mtg/images/tcg/products/zendikar/at9we52gco_EN.jpg

UG Mana Ramp. I'll be trying to build it because of that card. Now, to find the right creature to duplicate. Ideas?

Also, seeing Harrow's full card is nice. The art is cool.

[Red Ryu]

Limited filler is limited filler. Good at gumming up the ground though for evasive decks.

That's really it's only use.

[Gatsby]

UG Mana Ramp. I'll be trying to build it because of that card. Now, to find the right creature to duplicate. Ideas?

Also, seeing Harrow's full card is nice. The art is cool.

I'm working on a UG Merfolk with RoR. I suppose you can RoR Merfolk Sovereign for a rush or Lullmage Mentor for control.

[LowFr3eq]

Obv the best target is Broodmate Dragon or Baneslayer Angel...

[Red Ryu]

Obv the best target is Broodmate Dragon or Baneslayer Angel...

Oh god...The 4/4 flyers, the 4/4 flyers.

[Mage Master]

Two mana is too much for two damage.
This. Seriously.

[NoirLamia]

Lots of new commons/uncommons spoiled today, what is everyone's reaction to Feast of Blood?

Source: http://mtgsalvation.com/zendikar-spoiler.html

[Catastrophe_2]

what is everyone's reaction to Feast of Blood?

Good if can manage to maintain 2 vampires on the field. Bad otherwise (duh). Killer against aggro (Blast your creature and some extra life? Awesome), especially in mirror matches (doesn't say "non-black" creatures, so other vampires are fair game). Sorcery Speed kinda blows though. Ah well...

Zektar Shrine Expedition looks really awesome IMO. An extra 7/1 attacker on turn 5 can make all the difference in aggressive red decks (and it may activate earlier due to fetchlands).

[Mage Master]

Is it bad that Kraken Hatchling and Primal Bellow are the only new cards that even remotely interest me?

[Catastrophe_2]

Is it bad that Kraken Hatchling and Primal Bellow are the only new cards that even remotely interest me?

Nope, all the jaw-dropping cards have already been spoiled. Now we're getting all the Limited-oriented commons/random shaft. It always happens when the second half of a set gets spoiled.

[EVO KAI]

This: Kor Skyfisher with this: Kor Cartographer equals this: Iona, Shield of Emeria. :D

[Dunjohn]

Also, seeing Harrow's full card is nice. The art is cool.

As is the flavour text. Hmmm.

That Replication spell is a dollar rare. Sorry... :) but I just can't see that being used seriously at all.

[Red Ryu]

This set is looking better and better. I think I'll use Green in limited if possible, it has two nice ways to fix mana in common or uncommon form.

[C9XGMR]

This: Kor Skyfisher with this: Kor Cartographer equals this: Iona, Shield of Emeria. :D

Nice, way to deck thin and get some stuff out starting at turn four. Now we need some good landfall stuff from/for white.

[a-slice-of-cake]

I'd just like to point out that Kor Skyfisher is awesome with Landfall.

That is all.

[NoirLamia]

Obsidian Fireheart 1RRR
Creature - Elemental
Mythic Rare
1RR: Put a blaze counter on target land without a blaze counter on it. Lands with blaze counters on them have "At the beginning of your upkeep, this land deals 1 damage to you". (The land continues to burn even after Obsidian Fireheart leaves the battlefield.)
4/4

Source: http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?p=4355385

I think it's a solid creature, 4 mana for a 4/4. Neat ability too. The only downside is it's mythic.

[EVO KAI]

Obsidian Fireheart 1RRR
Creature - Elemental
Mythic Rare
1RR: Put a blaze counter on target land without a blaze counter on it. Lands with blaze counters on them have "At the beginning of your upkeep, this land deals 1 damage to you". (The land continues to burn even after Obsidian Fireheart leaves the battlefield.)
4/4

Source: http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?p=4355385

I think it's a solid creature, 4 mana for a 4/4. Neat ability too. The only downside is it's mythic.
The fact that the lands continue to burn even after the creature is gone is great. Solid card. I'm really getting sick of seeing this Mythic thing being abused.

[Mage Master]

Another fairly good Mythic. Am I the only one who saw this coming?

[NoirLamia]

So far the best Mythics I see are Lotus Cobra, Instigator, Sorin, and this. I wonder what this will reach in value.

[Rai Kerensky]

Who did not see this coming, in regards to the mythics?

[NoirLamia]

I definitely expected it, so I guess that leaves one more Mythic left to be spoiled.

[Gatsby]

Merfolk Wayfinder 2U
Creature - Merfolk Scout
Flying
When Merfolk Wayfinder enters the battlefield, reveal the top three cards of your library. Put all Island cards revealed this way into your hand and the rest on the bottom of your library in any order.
1/2 Uncommon

I really like this card; I hope the last mythic is a merfolk.

[BYE_]

Merfolk Wayfinder 2U
Creature - Merfolk Scout
Flying
When Merfolk Wayfinder enters the battlefield, reveal the top three cards of your library. Put all Island cards revealed this way into your hand and the rest on the bottom of your library in any order.
1/2 Uncommon

I really like this card; I hope the last mythic is a merfolk.

That's gonna be really cool in limited blue.

[pat460]

Merfolk Wayfinder 2U
Creature - Merfolk Scout
Flying
When Merfolk Wayfinder enters the battlefield, reveal the top three cards of your library. Put all Island cards revealed this way into your hand and the rest on the bottom of your library in any order.
1/2 Uncommon

I really like this card; I hope the last mythic is a merfolk.

This has high potential if e get some nonbasic islands in this set.

[EVO KAI]

Conqueror's Pledge
2www
Sorcery Rare
Kicker 6
Put six 1/1 white Kor Soldier creature tokens onto the battlefield. If Conqueror's Pledge was kicked, put twelve 1/1 white Kor Soldier creature tokens onto the battlefield instead.

I like this a lot...a lot. 5 for 6 1/1s isn't bad at all. That kicker will be a job to pull of but with an Honor of the Pure or 2 on the field, this will be killer.



Anyone notice Baneslayer's little sister/brother:

Shepherd of the Lost
4w
Creature - Angel Uncommon
Flying, first strike, vigilance
#34/249 3/3

[Eternity]

Merfolk Wayfinder 2U
Creature - Merfolk Scout
Flying
When Merfolk Wayfinder enters the battlefield, reveal the top three cards of your library. Put all Island cards revealed this way into your hand and the rest on the bottom of your library in any order.
1/2 Uncommon

I really like this card; I hope the last mythic is a merfolk.

Extended and/or Legacy with Shocklands and/or Revised dual lands. Love it. The cost is just low enough to be useful in most Merfolk decks and the Flying makes it stupid with things like Merfolk Sovereign and Lord of Atlantis. I can see Uw Merfolk Aggro getting a bit better in Extended and/or Legacy.

im in ur forumz, brakin ur fishies.

[Toshiro Umezete]

Obsidian Fireheart 1RRR
Creature - Elemental
Mythic Rare
1RR: Put a blaze counter on target land without a blaze counter on it. Lands with blaze counters on them have "At the beginning of your upkeep, this land deals 1 damage to you". (The land continues to burn even after Obsidian Fireheart leaves the battlefield.)
4/4

Source: http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?p=4355385

I think it's a solid creature, 4 mana for a 4/4. Neat ability too. The only downside is it's mythic.

This guy is pretty solid but just red intinsive enough that it probaly won't be a chase mythic. Red had a hard enough time justifing 3 cc 4/4s in its cure let alone a 4cc 4/4. Its a solid dude but it may be just meh enough to not see constructed play.

[a-slice-of-cake]

Well, it's about time Red got a sweet Mythic. I gotta say, I love this guy. If I ever make RDW, he's a 4-of. If you untap with him out, your opponent is, simply put, in for a world of hurt. (Yuk yuk I made a funny)

[poketo]

This set is just going to mame me faint seeing the rest of it with out a spoiler... (to bad I am looking at it right now...) anyway; I am going to hunt those Refuge lands down just so I can have a full playset of those then I'll work on the Fetch...

I do have to say that R burn spell with a 4 kicker just to do 4 is plainly stupid...

[Gatsby]

http://www.wizards.com/mtg/images/tcg/products/zendikar/kc4ovk8i35_EN.jpg

Okay card, good for weenies or swarm.

http://www.wizards.com/mtg/images/tcg/products/zendikar/avphn2z3n2_EN.jpg

And the BG fetchland.

[Eternity]

http://www.wizards.com/mtg/images/tcg/products/zendikar/kc4ovk8i35_EN.jpg

Okay card, good for weenies or swarm.

http://www.wizards.com/mtg/images/tcg/products/zendikar/avphn2z3n2_EN.jpg

And the BG fetchland.

Elves. For both of those cards. Imagine the first one with Legacy Elves. Seriously. That's a nasty, nasty wincon there.

[Toshiro Umezete]

This set is looking better and better. I think I'll use Green in limited if possible, it has two nice ways to fix mana in common or uncommon form.

I think you summed up the entire communities view on sealed. Run G+1-2 color splash is going to be like 90% of the sealed decks. You either get unlucky and open no fixing or get some sick nearly mono pull in another color.

[pat460]

Elves. For both of those cards. Imagine the first one with Legacy Elves. Seriously. That's a nasty, nasty wincon there.

Yeah thats pretty sick.

[EchoIsWin]

Obsidian Fireheart and Zektar Shrine Expedition. What do we think of either of those in RDW?

[a-slice-of-cake]

Zektar probably for sure. Fireheart... I dunno. Personally, I love him. I'll let the resident Red master, Mage, make the main call.

[Justmcnew]

I'm really liking Beastmaster Ascension, I'm already tempted to run it in my Mono Green Elf Combo deck but I'd probably rather run it in my Naya Landfall deck instead...

decisions...decisions...

[Red Ryu]

I think you summed up the entire communities view on sealed. Run G+1-2 color splash is going to be like 90% of the sealed decks. You either get unlucky and open no fixing or get some sick nearly mono pull in another color.

Almost, there are still people here and other places that are saying, 90% black. Splash 10% for bombs.

[Mage Master]

You usually need gas in Limited. Guess what Green gives you, that's right, gas. Certainly if you don't open any good Green fixing then Black/X is the next best thing but if at all possible the play is Green/X.

On another note, they need to release the full list sooner. I really want to get working on my Sealed strategies. Thankfully I have a little extra time because we're only doing a Launch Party.

[C9XGMR]

Sphinx of Jwar Isle 4UU
Creature - Sphinx - Rare
Flying, Shroud
You may look at the top card of your library.(You may do this at any time)
5/5

Ondu Cleric 1W
Creature - Kor Cleric Ally
When Ondu Cleric or another Ally comes into play, you may gain 1 life for each Ally you control.
1/1

Kor Hookmaster 2W
Creature - Kor Soldier - Uncommon
When Kor Hookmaster enters the battlefield, tap target creature an opponent controls. That creature doesn't untap during its controller's next untap step.
2/2

Kor Aeronaut WW
Creature - Kor Soldier - Uncommon
Kicker 1W
Flying
When Kor Aeronaut enters the battlefield, if it was kicked, target creature gains flying until end of turn.
2/2

--mtgslav

They like the Sphinx, says it combos with the Djian of Wishes. The Kor stuff looks alright, flying and tap, would be cool if the Hookmaster had first strike...

Makes me wanna play some D&D.

[poketo]

http://www.wizards.com/mtg/images/tcg/products/zendikar/kc4ovk8i35_EN.jpg

Okay card, good for weenies or swarm.

http://www.wizards.com/mtg/images/tcg/products/zendikar/avphn2z3n2_EN.jpg

And the BG fetchland.

Yes that top one is going into my white weenie (don't question what I said it has a splash of green [8 sources that also are white]) small creatures + them becoming +5/+5 = happy weenies.

For fetch... could make Jund a little more active.

[Dunjohn]

The thing about the quests is that you play them, and they just sit there for a few turns doing nothing. That's usually death for a card. I can't write them all off due to that, but it'll still be a major uphill struggle for any of them to break into competitiveness.

That said, for a quest, I do like that green one. If I had a green EDH deck it would be a prime contender.

[Red Ryu]

Unstable Footing R
Instant Uncommon
Kicker 3{R}
Damage can't be prevented this turn. If Unstable Footing was kicked, it deals 5 damage to target player.

5 for 5 that can't be prevented.

Not bad.

[Mage Master]

I keep looking at that card and trying to put my finger on why even just paying R for it seems so good to me.

[a-slice-of-cake]

Because it says LOL to pro-red critters and CoP Red?

Dunjohn, I kinda get what you're saying, but the low CC ones, like Gravelord, tend to be okay because they come out quick and give a huge payoff in a short amount of time.

[Red Ryu]

Expedition Map 1
Artifact Common
2, {T}, Sacrifice Expedition Map: Search your library for a land card, reveal it, and put it into your hand. Then shuffle your library.

Any land, hmmm.

Kor Aeronaut ww
Creature - Kor Soldier Uncommon
Kicker 1{W}
Flying
When Kor Aeronaut enters the battlefield, if it was kicked, target creature gains flying until end of turn.
2/2

I'm thinking about putting these in my white weenie Legacy deck.

Kor Outfitter ww
Creature - Kor Soldier Common
When Kor Outfitter enters the battlefield, attach target equipment you control to target creature you control.
2/2

I'm trying to think of an equipment that costs a lot of equip but has a great ability.

[NoirLamia]

Unstable Footing R
Instant Uncommon
Kicker 3{R}
Damage can't be prevented this turn. If Unstable Footing was kicked, it deals 5 damage to target player.

5 for 5 that can't be prevented.

Not bad.

Harm's Way just got slapped in the face...

[Dunjohn]

Expedition Map 1
Artifact Common
2, {T}, Sacrifice Expedition Map: Search your library for a land card, reveal it, and put it into your hand. Then shuffle your library.

Any land, hmmm.

This strikes me as only being good in limited and EDH; it takes your first turn to play and your second to activate, so you can't even drop the land until turn 3. It's a poor colour fixer, but it does the job in limited, and it gets me my precious Mazes of Ith, Tomb of Yawgmoth or Stripmine quite efficiently in Dragon. Too chunky for other formats, methinks.

Kor Aeronaut ww
Creature - Kor Soldier Uncommon
Kicker 1{W}
Flying
When Kor Aeronaut enters the battlefield, if it was kicked, target creature gains flying until end of turn.
2/2

I'm thinking about putting these in my white weenie Legacy deck.

Well, it's strictly better than Leonin Skyhunter, and i loved Leonin Skyhunter. Granted, weenies weren't as good back then, but I still like this one.

Kor Outfitter ww
Creature - Kor Soldier Common
When Kor Outfitter enters the battlefield, attach target equipment you control to target creature you control.
2/2

I'm trying to think of an equipment that costs a lot of equip but has a great ability.

It doesn't even need to have a high cost; it's more a case of swapping the existing equip cost with "Equip WW, and put a free 2/2 guy onto the field as as well, for a laugh." That's alright even if the existing equip is 1.

[BYE_]

Sphinx of Jwar Isle 4UU
Creature - Sphinx - Rare
Flying, Shroud
You may look at the top card of your library.(You may do this at any time)
5/5

Nice limited bomb, imo.

[Rai Kerensky]

I like a lot of these cards. So little "filler".

[Red Ryu]

Quest for the Gemblades 1g
Enchantment Uncommon
Whenever a creature you control deals combat damage to another creature, you may put a quest counter on Quest for the Gemblades.
Remove a quest counter from Quest for the Gemblades and sacrifice it: Put four +1/+1 counters on target creature.

I like this one.

[poketo]

That is just over done... jsut hitting a creature once gives a creature +4/+4 when ever you choose?! Are you sure it doesn't remove more than just 1?

[Mage Master]

You do have to sac the Quest once you do it.

[poketo]

Oh duh... I over looked that part.

Quest for the Gemblades 1g
Enchantment Uncommon
Whenever a creature you control deals combat damage to another creature, you may put a quest counter on Quest for the Gemblades.
Remove a quest counter from Quest for the Gemblades and sacrifice it: Put four +1/+1 counters on target creature.

I like this one.

[Toshiro Umezete]

Nice limited bomb, imo.

Meh, 5/5 shroud with evasion might be possible as a standard finisher. Shroud is very good as the only way you can off this guy is pretty much a wrath.

Anyone whining about soldiers dying shouldn't worry with what we've been seeing. Sure they could probaly use another 1 drop but the 2/2 flier is sick and cloudgoat 2.0 is broken with an honor out.

[Rai Kerensky]

A 5/5 Flier with shroud that lets you see the top card of your library is borderline. If there is a card that lets you take advantage of whatever the top card is like the Deceivers from Kamigawa (http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Search/Default.aspx?name=+[deceiver]||type=+[deceiver]||subtype=+[deceiver]) at common, this card would have bomb status. Otherwise, its just stands as a top pick creature, and there is nothing wrong with that.

[a-slice-of-cake]

Harm's Way just got slapped in the face...

Technically, no. Harm's Way doesn't prevent damage -- it just redirects it.

[NoirLamia]

Technically, no. Harm's Way doesn't prevent damage -- it just redirects it.

Oops, my bad. I coulda swore I saw prevent in it's text the last time I read it but boy was I wrong.

You, my friend, have just slapped me in the face =]

[Rai Kerensky]

You, my friend, have just slapped me in the face =]

But he is cake, so just lick the frosting off and move along. I thought it said prevent as well, and had to go check.

Caller of Gales
u
Creature - Merfolk Wizard
Uncommon
1{U}, {T}: Creatures you control gain flying until end of turn.
1/1


Umara Raptor
2u
Creature - Bird Ally
Common
Flying
Whenever Umara Raptor or another Ally enters the battlefield under your control, you may put a +1/+1 counter on Umara Raptor.
1/1

[Siulzen]

^I likes Caller of Gales.

Also, doesn't the new Sphinx combo with that Djinn from M10?

[a-slice-of-cake]

Indeed it does.

Yeah, Caller of Gales is like super-duper Wind Drake.

[Rai Kerensky]

Ten Tokens taken to this Thread

http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/arcana/283

http://www.wizards.com/mtg/images/daily/arcana/283_ZEN_Token6.jpg
That zombie is going to haunt my nightmares.

[Red Ryu]

Armament Master ww
Creature - Kor Soldier Rare
Other Kor creatures you control get +2/+2 for each Equipment attached to Armament Master.
2/2

Equipment soldier weenie?

[C9XGMR]

Okay, an Adventure deck that doesn't work but would be awesome!
Add Armament Master + Ally + other Kor. Then add equipment like; Adventuring Gear, Blazing Torch, Expedition Map, Trailblazer's Boots, Trusty Machete. Now I'm all set to explore Zendikar!

[poketo]

Oops, my bad. I coulda swore I saw prevent in it's text the last time I read it but boy was I wrong.

You, my friend, have just slapped me in the face =]

Accually it does... then gets pointed at some one else...

Lets see... exploration all around with quest and soldiers... LETS GET SOME WARS GOING!!!

[NoirLamia]

Malakir Bloodwitch 3BB
Creature - Vampire Shaman
Rare
Flying, protection from white
When Malakir Bloodwitch enters
the battlefield, each opponent
loses life equal to the number of
Vampires you control. You gain life
equal to the life lost this way.
4/4

I see potential in it, if it was one mana less it would be killer.

EDIT: I absolutely love this card, after reading comments about it on Sal it has such good uses, here are a few:

Baneslayer staller!
Doesn't die to Path, Bolt, or Doom Blade!
Flying is always a plus.
Kokusho 2.0 :)
Is available in the intro pack :D

[Rai Kerensky]

New from MTGS

Summoner's Bane
2uu
Instant
Common
Counter target creature spell. Put a 2/2 blue Illusion creature token onto the battlefield under your control.

Paralyzing Grasp
2u
Enchantment - Aura
Common
Enchant tapped creature
Enchanted creature doesn't untap during its controller's untap step.

Gomazoa
u
Creature - Jellyfish
Common
Kicker 1{U}
When Gomazoa enters the battlefield, if it was kicked, return target creature to its owner's hand.
0/3

Welkin Tern
2u
Creature - Bird Uncommon
Flying, defender
{T}: Shuffle Welkin Tern and all creatures it's blocking into their owners' libraries.
0/3

Territorial Baloth
4g
Creature - Beast
Common
Landfall - Whenever a land enters the battlefield under your control, Territorial Baloth gets +2/+2 until end of turn.
5/5

Quest for the Holy Relic
w
Enchantment
Uncommon
Whenever you cast a creature spell, you may put a quest counter on Quest for the Holy Relic.
Remove five quest counters from Quest for the Holy Relic and sacrifice it: Search your library for an equipment card, put it onto the battlefield, and attach it to a creature you control. Then shuffle your library.

Arrow Volley Trap
3ww
Instant - Trap
Uncommon
If four or more creatures are attacking, you may pay 1{W} rather than pay Arrow Volley Trap's mana cost.
Arrow Volley Trap deals 5 damage divided as you choose among any number of target attacking creatures.

Summoner's Bane
2uu
Instant
Common
Counter target creature spell. Put a 2/2 blue Illusion creature token onto the battlefield under your control.

Spidersilk Net
0
Artifact - Equipment
Common
Equipped creature gets +0/+2 and reach.
Equip 2

Khalni Gem
4
Artifact
Uncommon
When Khalni Gem enters the battlefield, sacrifice it unless you return two lands to your hand.
{T}: Add two mana of any one color to your mana pool.

Explorer's Scope
1
Artifact - Equipment
Common
When equipped creature attacks, you may look at the top card of your library. If it is a land card, you may put it onto the battlefield tapped.
Equip 1

Grim Discovery
1b
Sorcery
Common
Choose one or both - Return target creature card from your graveyard to your hand, and/or return target land card from your graveyard to your hand.

[Mage Master]

Grim Discovery is pretty cool I guess.

[Red Ryu]

I like that counter spell.

Quest for the Holy Relic sounds really fun.

That Scope is nice to fix mana.

[a-slice-of-cake]

The gem does downright silly things with Landfall. So does the Scope, for that matter.

[NoirLamia]

What the hell, no one has a comment for the Bloodwitch? xD

[a-slice-of-cake]

Bloodwitch is quite the awesome Banestopper. About frickin' time.

[Rai Kerensky]

I guess my comment did not post for whatever reason. I would **** her. I would **** four of her, at the same time.


She is everything I want in a bomb. Strong, protected, and an Awesome CIP effect.

[Siulzen]

Malakir Bloodwitch 3BB
Creature - Vampire Shaman
Rare
Flying, protection from white
When Malakir Bloodwitch enters
the battlefield, each opponent
loses life equal to the number of
Vampires you control. You gain life
equal to the life lost this way.
4/4

Is available in the intro pack =D

That's all I needed to read to make me happy :). Anti-Baneslayer Vampire is good. The drain is even better considering the theme behind it and can win you the game. I wants it now.

New from MTGS
Summoner's Bane
2uu
Instant
Common
Counter target creature spell. Put a 2/2 blue Illusion creature token onto the battlefield under your control.

So its a costlier Remove Soul/Essence Scatter, but it gives you a token which is essentially the countered creature. Cool card.

Welkin Tern
2u
Creature - Bird Uncommon
Flying, defender
{T}: Shuffle Welkin Tern and all creatures it's blocking into their owners' libraries.
0/3

Works well with the new Merfolk heh.

Territorial Baloth
4g
Creature - Beast
Common
Landfall - Whenever a land enters the battlefield under your control, Territorial Baloth gets +2/+2 until end of turn.
5/5

Common Landfall fun!

Arrow Volley Trap
3ww
Instant - Trap
Uncommon
If four or more creatures are attacking, you may pay 1{W} rather than pay Arrow Volley Trap's mana cost.
Arrow Volley Trap deals 5 damage divided as you choose among any number of target attacking creatures.

Hey this looks useful! Weenies rushing to kill you? BAM! Hard-casting it ain't half bad either.

Spidersilk Net
0
Artifact - Equipment
Common
Equipped creature gets +0/+2 and reach.
Equip 2

Simple, but effective. I like it.

Khalni Gem
4
Artifact
Uncommon
When Khalni Gem enters the battlefield, sacrifice it unless you return two lands to your hand.
{T}: Add two mana of any one color to your mana pool.

Hilarious with Landfall.

Explorer's Scope
1
Artifact - Equipment
Common
When equipped creature attacks, you may look at the top card of your library. If it is a land card, you may put it onto the battlefield tapped.
Equip 1

Cool.

Grim Discovery
1b
Sorcery
Common
Choose one or both - Return target creature card from your graveyard to your hand, and/or return target land card from your graveyard to your hand.

Gimme!

Responses within quote. Good choice for font. Easier on the eyes.

-------

The recent Kors are now tempting me to build that too. :(

Though Vampires are still my top priority pick for Zendikar.

[undercoverlucky]

I really like the Explorer's Scope. I wonder if it'll atucally see any play o.o

*Doubts*

~Lucky

[NoirLamia]

I guess my comment did not post for whatever reason. I would **** her. I would **** four of her, at the same time.


She is everything I want in a bomb. Strong, protected, and an Awesome CIP effect.


Dude!

I think I love you...

No, but seriously awesome response. I'm glad I'm not the only one who finds her awesome and it's great she is the intro pack foil. Awesome and affordable!

EDIT: Also it seems like we are up to 19 in the vampire work count...one more instance of it has yet to be spoiled =[

...I hope there are a ton in Worldwake and Rise of the Eldrazi!

[poketo]

When this comes out we really need to find the best commons since this set is all around doing good.

[Mage Master]

Good luck with that, most of the commons so far have been utter garbage.

[EVO KAI]

I really had some hope for Angels in this set. So far it's all been sub par...with the exception of Iona, and even she won't see a lot of play.

Kinda dissapointed to honest.

[NoirLamia]

I really had some hope for Angels in this set. So far it's all been sub par...with the exception of Iona, and even she won't see a lot of play.

Kinda dissapointed to honest.

Yea, I would loved to see Angels as an effective tribe. Maybe someday we will go to a Sanctum of Serra block, that would be sick =]

When this comes out we really need to find the best commons since this set is all around doing good.

I would get a playset of these:

Journey to Nowhere
Kor Outfitter
Kor Skyfisher
Kraken Hatchling
Spell Pierce
Disfigure
Vampire Lacerator
Harrow
Khalni Heart Expedition
Nissa's Chosen
Scythe Tiger

[EVO KAI]

Yea, I would loved to see Angels as an effective tribe. Maybe someday we will go to a Sanctum of Serra block, that would be sick =]

One can only hope.

[NoirLamia]

Yay more cards!! And one is a one drop vampire that is awesome!

http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=186198

[Mage Master]

Tanglesap is........oddly White.

[BYE_]

Welkin Tern
2u
Creature - Bird Uncommon
Flying, defender
{T}: Shuffle Welkin Tern and all creatures it's blocking into their owners' libraries.
0/3

It's a MtG Legendary Jujitsu Master. I like it.

[Mage Master]

Huh, that's pretty decent actually.

[EVO KAI]

Dam, that 1 drop Vamp is really good. A 1/1 early on, then a 3/2 late game.

Looks like Vampires were definitely the focus in this set. They got A LOT of love.

[NoirLamia]

Dam, that 1 drop Vamp is really good. A 1/1 early on, then a 3/2 late game.

Looks like Vampires were definitely the focus in this set. They got A LOT of love.

Yea, I love the artwork on her too. I would love a foil copy :3

[EVO KAI]

Makindi Shieldmate would have been good if it cost 1 less. Right now it's meh.

[EchoIsWin]

I'm pretty disappointed with the lack of Red burn in this set. *Sigh* Well, here's to hoping one of the few cards left to spoil is a damn good burn spell.

[NoirLamia]

I'm pretty disappointed with the lack of Red burn in this set. *Sigh* Well, here's to hoping one of the few cards left to spoil is a damn good burn spell.

Well they usually never dedicate an entire set to burn spells, they feed them to you in small doses within each set of the block. It's been referenced in the last couples blocks..by the way everyone hates burn! :P

[a-slice-of-cake]

Dude, I love burn. :D

Okay, I get the whole mini-Tribal element that was supposed to go on here, but it's starting to look like Vampires are the new Kithkin. And I am friggin' sick of Tribal crap.

[NoirLamia]

Dude, I love burn. :D

Okay, I get the whole mini-Tribal element that was supposed to go on here, but it's starting to look like Vampires are the new Kithkin. And I am friggin' sick of Tribal crap.

I mean I get the same feeling while playing burn that you get when you play against Fae...it is not fun and it is annoying.

Now, all I gotta say is that I hope people feel the same way about Vampires :D

[EchoIsWin]

Not an entire set dedicated to burn, but maybe a little something to cover the gaping hole left by LorSha rotating.

[NoirLamia]

Not an entire set dedicated to burn, but maybe a little something to cover the gaping hole left by LorSha rotating.

That's a pretty huge hole, but that was also 4 sets worth. You will probably have to wait until Rise of the Eldrazi to have a solid pool of burn spells, or add black and use blightning.

[poketo]

http://mtgsalvation.com/zendikar-spoiler.html

Looks like we are 19 away... this is going to fun but we can see all the images saturday.

[NoirLamia]

I just tested with Guul Draz Vampire and she is great, I highly recommend anyone playing vampires to focus on creatures more than their spells. I run 30 creatures and it's great. Refer to my sigged deck and you can ask me any questions. So far burn is a problem even with our lifelink and I hope to find a solution to it soon, Hexmage is beast against burn's Ball Lightnings, Elemental Appeals, and Hellsparks by the way because of first strike.

[Red Ryu]

So all of the colorless is spoiled, the land is spoiled, Green is missing four, Red is missing five, Black is missing two, Blue is missing two, and White is missing four.

I don't think we'll got any huge bombs or anything with whats left.

[Rai Kerensky]

http://www.wizards.com/mtg/images/tcg/products/zendikar/5swxjeisjq_EN.jpg

I want this card.

[C9XGMR]

Kor Duelist W
Creature - Kor Soldier - Uncommon
As long as Kor Duelist is equipped, it has double strike.
1/1

:D just play Bone Saw... xD at least the Equipment help in Zendikar will help.

[Justmcnew]

Wow Summoning Trap would be nice against MUC, too bad Counterspell decks aren't that popular in my meta right now but I guess that's a blessing in disguise. :P

At least it's not Mythic Rare like Mindbreak Trap, the closest thing Blue
gets to a Force of Will reprint and it becomes Mythic making it harder to obtain for the average player, that's pathetic IMO.

If they had kept it a regular Rare it would've been a nice replacement
for Cryptic Command which is leaving Standard soon. Why does Wizards hate Blue? Faerie's isn't the answer...

[Mage Master]

If you guys hate burn then hope you never end up playing Legacy with me.

Summoning Trap is awesome, sucks there is a lack of counterspells right now but yeah, I could see myself playing it.

[a-slice-of-cake]

Why does Wizards hate Blue?

That is a joke, right? Blue has dominated the national metagame for two friggin' years. And not just Faeries, either (though they most certainly were Blue). Don't even try to say that Wizards doesn't give Blue an extra scoop of lovin'.

I am loving Summoning Trap. This set finally has some good Blue hate in Green! Hooray!

Additional Comment:

WHOA!

Inferno Trap 3R

Instant - Trap
If your opponent kicked a spell this turn, you may pay R rather than pay Inferno Trap's mana cost.
Inferno Trap deals 3 damage to each creature and player.
Wow. That's... really awesome.

[Yomako]

I like this set alot :D

[Gatsby]

http://www.wizards.com/mtg/images/tcg/products/zendikar/bvests2id0_EN.jpg

Oi, such a good tempo card. Turn 1 Orinthopter and Explorer's Scope; throw in some Ponder and you are good to go!

So yeah, Sally got all the card up. The Merfolks are looking good but I don't think they are on par with Lor/Sha's.

[Mage Master]

Inferno Trap vs Volcanic Fallout

Thoughts?

[Red Ryu]

http://www.wizards.com/mtg/images/tcg/products/zendikar/5swxjeisjq_EN.jpg

I want this card.

I could use some of these against counter top in Legacy.

Inferno Trap vs Volcanic Fallout

Thoughts?

All depends on what is needed.

If blue is running around and/or lot of fast aggro people will want fallout, if it's more of a later game format then people will want this new fallout.

edit: By the way, the whole set is spoiled. Start thinking of Limited people.

[EchoIsWin]

Damn, that's tough.

There aren't many counterspells anymore so the "cannot be countered" isn't too important. Inferno Trap, I don't think there will be too many kicker spells, but even so, it's pretty good.

[Mage Master]

It depends how vital the extra mana in its cost is going to be.

[poketo]

http://www.wizards.com/mtg/images/tcg/products/zendikar/bvests2id0_EN.jpg

Oi, such a good tempo card. Turn 1 Orinthopter and Explorer's Scope; throw in some Ponder and you are good to go!

So yeah, Sally got all the card up. The Merfolks are looking good but I don't think they are on par with Lor/Sha's.

This plus the devining top = a combo banning them from anyformat they both show up in again. And a good way to show it (Affinity has one of the better ways...)

T1: Play a 0 drop creature and one of the Artifacts.
T2: Equip and play the other artifact, you are already at 3 lands on t2 and up to 5 t3...

yea... ponder might also become a little more activge.

Tho I have not read the story... but from teh cards it looks like the Kor are going to study all of Zendikar and run into every other creature type... tho I don't think they will make weenie because they need Equips.

anyway... they are saying that boxes are going up in price... ewww... and I have not gotten a pre-order or anything since I go to a shop.

[a-slice-of-cake]

Explorer's Scope + Divining Top is definitely a mini-combo, but certainly not Legacy-bannable by any means (Counter-Top is much more stupid, and hasn't been touched).

But yeah, the Scope makes Ponder considerably better than it is right now.

[ReiverDemon2007]

I'm happy with all the Vampires. That's all I'm really looking for now. Since I decided to get back into playing the other good trading card game.

[Majin Saitoh]

Inferno Trap vs Volcanic Fallout

Thoughts?

Volcanic Fallout still seems way better.
You're always paying 3 for it, but in all honesty, how many cards with Kicker cost less than 6?

I don't remember most off the top of my head (and I'd rather not look at the whole list now), but most of them either cost too much or are just unnecessary.

You'll probably be paying full cost for the trap most of the time, but 4 isn't too big a deal since you can kill a whole lot more with 3 damage to everything, so idk.

[Toshiro Umezete]

Why does Wizards hate Blue?.

Its quite a simple answer: Wizards painstakenly builds the format, weakens blue's color pie in every aspect, and pushes the evelope on all the other colors. All this takes years of tedious effort and in blue turns around and beats the standard format over the head with winhammers like De loveure, Sonic Boom, FARIES, etc.

I'm surprised they didn't make it mandatory for Islands to deal one damage to their controler when tapped for mana.

[poketo]

If you truely think about it Blue does all of the work to make people shut up and drags black, white, or red along to do all of the dirty work.

[yachiru-luvr]

If you truely think about it Blue does all of the work to make people shut up and drags black, white, or red along to do all of the dirty work.

You sir have made a point. And I feel I should make this point this set is gonna be incredibly fun to draft no doubt about it, but now that the spoilers are over I'm just not getting that original feeling of love for this set. Am I the only one?

[NoirLamia]

You sir have made a point. And I feel I should make this point this set is gonna be incredibly fun to draft no doubt about it, but now that the spoilers are over I'm just not getting that original feeling of love for this set. Am I the only one?

Yea, once the spoilers are all done it gets less exciting but hey we have Garruk vs Liliana next :D

[EVO KAI]

Yup, it started, "wow"....then it ended "not bad."

For me at least.

[ipoke]

tomorow is the big day woot! cant wait im going with my uncle and his freind to columbus ohio its gonna be epic!
im probally goin black or green or both cause they seem to have a ton of support what do u guys think?

[a-slice-of-cake]

Blue might not have many Constructed playable, but it's going to be awesome in Limited. I mean, it has 2 4CC Air Elementals.

Expect to see everyone playing Green.

[Mage Master]

BGu could be do-able.

[Gatsby]

So, yeah guys. You can get some real hidden treasures in Zendikar.....Quite the promotion and commotion.

[Mage Master]

So that means what exactly?

[Gatsby]

Apparently, there a very slim chance of pulling really old cards.

http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=186720

[EVO KAI]

WOW!

That just changed everything...

[Mage Master]

Can't say I'm happy about this and it's not for the reasons you guys will probably think.

[Yomako]

That is very bad news...

[a-slice-of-cake]

I think it's incredibly fake, personally. Then again, I said that about Lightning Bolt, too.

[The God Of Envy]

its legit i pulled a jet

[NoirLamia]

That is very bad news...

I think it's great, a way to pull expensive cards without having to fork over half your collection and/or cash.

I hope it's true.

By the way, Zendikar is now fully loaded into Gatherer =]

[Yomako]

I mean because it would increase the value of the P9 and co.

[Mage Master]

I'm worried about what this is going to do to the price of Zendikar product, not to mention the availability of said product.

[NoirLamia]

I'm worried about what this is going to do to the price of Zendikar product, not to mention the availability of said product.

Indeed, although these secret cards are said to have the ratio of 1 in every 120 packs. There are still going to be pretty difficult to obtain, if they raise the price of ZEN packs to $5+, believe me I won't be buying any.

[Yomako]

I just hope its only for the first release

[Mage Master]

Not to complain about how Wizards are folding their $100 bills but this does seem like a rather shameless cash grab on their part.

[l0k13]

Obvious cash grab. Very obvious

[Rai Kerensky]

So? It is a very good marketing move on their part. At least they are not standard legal if you pull them.

[a-slice-of-cake]

GPD: You're always telling us how you pull sweet stuff, yet you never elaborate. So excuse me if I'm extremely skeptical.

Yeah, it's a cash grab, but... putting more P9 out there is just... so... COOL.

[Gatsby]

Gatherer got them up and I'm looking through them more carefully. Out of the commons and uncommons, I think Black and Green will be the easiest to work with at the pre-release. I'm kinda leaning towards Green due to its sheer strength. What do you guys think and what cards are you be looking for?

[EVO KAI]

Can someone please give a link to this Gatherer?

[NoirLamia]

Can someone please give a link to this Gatherer?


http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Search/Default.aspx?sort=cn+&set=[%22Zendikar%22]

So? It is a very good marketing move on their part. At least they are not standard legal if you pull them.

Totally agree with this.

GPD: You're always telling us how you pull sweet stuff, yet you never elaborate. So excuse me if I'm extremely skeptical.

I also agree with this, it seems like I can never believe him no matter what he says =[

[EVO KAI]

Thanks man, but just my luck...the site is having a server overload, lol.

[NoirLamia]

Thanks man, but just my luck...the site is having a server overload, lol.

Oh I gave you a bad link, lol.

Try this one: http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Default.aspx

[Gatsby]

Intro Pack Contents (http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=186826) are up if you are interested.

[Rai Kerensky]

Raijin, you win at life. It's that simple.

The reason I win is because I am a...


Seriously, GPD, post picks of you holding the card, or like usual, we ignore you and move on to something worth our time.

It seems my post was deleted. It was to illustrate a point that anyone can claim anything. Proof is what is required. Oh well, I can see why they deleted it though.

This is an interesting promotion. I was going to go anyways, but the thought of pulling a very rare for free is very appealing. For people buying the cards anyways, it is nice to get something extra. If it encourages people to buy more, then it just means more singles to be bought of the set at cheaper prices since the supply with be higher then usual. This is mostly win-win. The only losers are the people who are specifically buying the packs for "treasure cards".

I hope they do stuff more fun promotions like this.



For the record

WoTC > Konami [TCG Section].

[EVO KAI]

Oh I gave you a bad link, lol.

Try this one: http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Default.aspx

Yup, that works. Thanks. ;)

I really wish they would have just emphasized more on the Solider aspect of M10, instead of going and splitting white into Soldiers and Kor. White would have been MUCH more solid.


EDIT: Wow, just wow. I know there needs to be filler but c'mon, lol.

http://i35.tinypic.com/21j9enm.jpg

[Yomako]

Let us not forget the odds on the bonus cards...

[poketo]

I would say 1 a box but that is going on the lesser side... and that just made my heart sink because I know I will want quite a few of them.

[Yomako]

1 in around 25...

[NoirLamia]

Intro Pack Contents (http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=186826) are up if you are interested.

Wow I am disappointed in the Vampire Intro pack. No Lacerator, I mean come on xD

[Dunjohn]

Heard about the Vintage cards tonight at FNM. Fantastic. Love it. Cash grab? Are people really going to try to out-buy the odds on these? In monetary terms, are any of the cards going to be worth twenty-five boxes?

If anything, this'll push down the prices of singles online. The shops are going to enjoy filling out their P9 stocks so they'll be happy to open more boxes of Zen than normal. That'll push up supply.

[poketo]

Now they just need to print more...

[Rai Kerensky]

I am excited about going to the Pre-Release. I gave up SJC Orlando for this. What card is everyone wanting to get?

I am after Summoner's Trap.

[NoirLamia]

I am excited about going to the Pre-Release. I gave up SJC Orlando for this. What card is everyone wanting to get?

I am after Summoner's Trap.

I want a Sorin =]

[sandman423]

I bought ALL 5 Intro Packs for Zendikar because I am coming back from being out of Magic for 8 years and I was recommended to get Intro Packs...

Has anyone figured a way to make a good budget build for those Vampires they look awsome...My Old sets consist of Mirage, Ice Age, 4th & 5th Edition cards but looking forward to building that Vampire deck looks AWSOME

So far I was thinking on buying some plainswalkers although what is the best amount to buy 1-4??

I was thinking for Vampires...Lilliana Vess, Sorin Markov (I Bought x2 for 15 bucks), and Jace Beleren (This guy looks awsome) would be good in Vampire Strategy...

Use Jace Beleren for Card Avantage, Lilliana Vess for the Discard, and Solin Markov for his 2 Damage and gain 2 life until you can turn your opponents life to 10...So you can use him for Destruction on Monsters while gaining life...and just think of this card...Bloodchief Acension...Sounds pretty amazing...

My friend plays Soldier Aggro and Green n Red Aggro decks and he has beaten me every time so I am trying to just build a deck to destroy him because I am tired of losing like 10 games in a row. :)

Also just wondering...What would be a good price for x2 Lilliana Vess and x2 Jace Beleren?

[NoirLamia]

Take a look at my Vampire build, it's amazing. You can run Sorin in it but I highly recommend not to add more colors if you run Nocturnus. If you want it more budget just drop the fetches for swamps.

Liliana doesn't really help either. The best thing about Vampires is most of them are low budget. Let me know how it goes :)

[EchoIsWin]

I want me some Chandra Ablaze / Elemental Appeal

[sandman423]

Do u think Vampires can beat Soldiers?

[NoirLamia]

Do u think Vampires can beat Soldiers?

In a heartbeat.

EDIT: I officially just got finished testing out Bloodchief Ascension. I dub it the best card in this set. That's how brutal it is.

[Justmcnew]

Heard about the Vintage cards tonight at FNM. Fantastic. Love it. Cash grab? Are people really going to try to out-buy the odds on these? In monetary terms, are any of the cards going to be worth twenty-five boxes?

If anything, this'll push down the prices of singles online. The shops are going to enjoy filling out their P9 stocks so they'll be happy to open more boxes of Zen than normal. That'll push up supply.

So the Alpha/Beta cards in Magic were getting more scarce than ever so Wizards decided to reprint them in Zendikar even though they won't be Standard legal. I just hope I'll be able to get the set cards I need out of Zendikar before it might become out of print, that would suck.

How many of the old cards got reprinted in Zendikar? So far I've seen Sinkhole and Candelabra of Tawnos. As for the P9 cards Black Lotus, Ancestral Recall, Library of Alexandria, among others not sure though.

[Yomako]

I'm happy for a fetch

[Rai Kerensky]

I have no idea why, but I am just happy about going. I am excited about the set, and looking forward to the fun I will have with my friends.

I cannot even sleep because of it.

[Dunjohn]

So the Alpha/Beta cards in Magic were getting more scarce than ever so Wizards decided to reprint them in Zendikar even though they won't be Standard legal. I just hope I'll be able to get the set cards I need out of Zendikar before it might become out of print, that would suck.

How many of the old cards got reprinted in Zendikar? So far I've seen Sinkhole and Candelabra of Tawnos. As for the P9 cards Black Lotus, Ancestral Recall, Library of Alexandria, among others not sure though.

It doesn't look like WotC are going to provide us with a list anytime soon. MTGSalvation has been keeping track of what people have reported pulling, but that's hard to determine.

Note that these aren't reprints; they're actual originals that WotC rounded up and inserted into boosters. They're not all mint-condition.

[Gatsby]

Well, I saw 3 Foil Lotus Cobra pulled.
Black and Green are the best color because majority of them were playing it.
My pulls were awful and I ended up with a GR deck.

My pulls are the following:
Bloodghast
Summoning Trap x2
Kazuul Warlord
Luminarch Ascension
Eldrazi Monument

I kinda underestimated Allies; especially Bala Ged Thief.

[a-slice-of-cake]

EDIT: I officially just got finished testing out Bloodchief Ascension. I dub it the best card in this set. That's how brutal it is.

I told you! That card is insane!!!

I hope I open it today. Only 3 more hours...

[undercoverlucky]

I told you! That card is insane!!!

I hope I open it today. Only 3 more hours...

Four for me, I can't wait!

Good Luck at yours Slice ^_^

~Lucky

[a-slice-of-cake]

You too, undercover. I think it's gonna be an awesome day.

[Mage Master]

Guess there won't be much to mod today then. :D

Good luck at your pre-releases guys, hope everything goes well and don't forget to come back here and tell everyone what works and what doesn't work.

[undercoverlucky]

Guess there won't be much to mod today then. :D

Good luck at your pre-releases guys, hope everything goes well and don't forget to come back here and tell everyone what works and what doesn't work.

Prolly not, with me and slice gone and all, seeing how we are trouble makers :p

Thanks for the luck Mage, and here's a heads up on what works, and what doesn't:

Stuff I use: Doesn't Work
Stuff Slice uses: Works

Its gonna be true ^_^

~Lucky

[Dunjohn]

I won't be at a prerelease. None nearby.

Want me to go spam up some threads?

[Eternity]

Want me to go spam up some threads?

Well, now that depends on how long you wanna be banned. ;)

Best of luck to everyone at your release events.

[Rai Kerensky]

I have 3 hours before mine. I leave in half an hour though.

I am stopping by Gamestop to buy a video game for my DS.

[NoirLamia]

I prolly won't be going, no money and no ride at the moment. I hope I can con a friend into taking me just to trade though.

[poketo]

I hate that it is my towns "fair" this weekend...

Well I am going to try and go to the Party next weekend and try building each creature type... I do like vampire with Tendrils and Consume Spirit.

[Mage Master]

Come on dude, link the vid.

[Yomako]

I pulled a fetch :3

[NoirLamia]

Come on dude, link the vid.

Oh sorry dude, here it is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qp-ag1xugEA

I pulled a fetch :3

Which one?

[Yomako]

Wow, just wow :3

[Mage Master]

Wow that guy is super stoked that he pulled the Library. :rolleyes:

[NoirLamia]

Wow that guy is super stoked that he pulled the Library. :rolleyes:

Haha I know right, I would be running all over the freakin' card shop xD

[Gatsby]

Let's see. The card that killed me so many times was River Boa. Mold Shambler was good since everyone I played was using Khalni Gem. So yeah, go BG.

[Eternity]

After thinking about it, I've come to a realization: Zendikar is the new Time Spiral. Except Zendikar's "specials" weren't announced and don't have a gay purple set symbol.

That said, this set annoys me. To no end.

[Yomako]

I went Green/red

[Mage Master]

When you guys tell everyone what colours you played, it'd be cool if you discussed what cards worked well, etc.

[BYE_]

I went UB and went 2-2. I pulled Felidar Sovereign and traded it for Kalitas, Bloodchief of Ghet. Good on my behalf?

Black is so good in this.
Bloodchief Ascension, Crypt Ripper. Disfigure, Giant Scorpion, Guul Draz Specter, Quest for the Gravelord, and Soul Stair Expedition are all really outstanding in limited.

[NoirLamia]

I would take the Kalitas over Felidar, but that is my love for black vampires over white big things.

[BYE_]

Idk, the big white cat just seemed like a novelty card, imo.

[NoirLamia]

Idk, the big white cat just seemed like a novelty card, imo.

Yea, I actually see more use in Kalitas. He is in use in my GB ramp deck actually.

[Gatsby]

Nah, don't diss the cat. It's a blessing in disguise.
So yeah, out of the 12 boxes that were used today at my pre-release, there was 3 foil lotus...and no one wanted to trade with me. :/