The OFFICIAL Zendikar Discussion Thread #2

[Lance DeVrai]

Previous thread - http://www.pojo.biz/board/showthread.php?t=680974
You can find all the information you need/want there.

Begin thread 2!

PS: Don't spam this one up. I'll be deleting posts that aren't relevant to the thread. I'm gonna be really strict about this one, so be careful. ;)
I told you I'd get to start this one. winking face.

[Rai Kerensky]

1st Post.

I am looking forward to this set. I do not know why, but I have a feeling this is going to be a land based set.

[Lance DeVrai]

Care to elaborate on that a bit? I'm curious as to what you have in mind.

[LowFr3eq]

Post the new info about the precons here if you want?

[Mage Master]

Here's hoping we'll get some more cards that are playable in Legacy, that'd be pretty cool.

[poketo]

Stopping at exactly 500 there?? lol

Heck kicks should give a lot out for the block or it will be greatly stale... or at least make kicker off color/on color so people wont fight about more colors or mono...

[pat460]

Here's hoping we'll get some more cards that are playable in Legacy, that'd be pretty cool.

Agreed, but eres to also hoping they don't mess up nad make guys silly, i.e. the landfall example I listed earlier or something.

Also, it wouldn't hurt to throw dragonstorm something new, since dragons are a tribe.

[Mage Master]

Yeah Landfall seems kinda sorta really good for Legacy and probably Vintage. I sure hope Wizards know what they're doing but then again they've stated before that they don't intentionally cater towards Legacy and Vintage.

[Rai Kerensky]

It is more of a feeling then actual belief.

Here are my reasons why.

LandFall. We have an ability based off land.

Somewhere, MaRo said that Zendikar would be based off something they played with over sex, but never did one as the basis for a set. Land based would be definitely be that.

The weird structures in the lands have an importance.

If I am right, I wonder if we will see variants of Vinelasher Kuduz (http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=83559&type=card)-style cards.

[poketo]

Some people deny the idea, I feel it can work...

just a kicker land...

[Mage Master]

I saw an interesting idea floating around on Salvation; Lands with Kicker. Highly unlikely I know but it could make for some interesting cards and let's face it, Wizards are kinda running out of ideas for more conventional lands at this point.

[NoirLamia]

I support Lands with Kicker. It would be very interesting to see what sort of effects they come up with.

['Heroic']

How exactly would that work? I'm a bit confused.

[Mage Master]

You'd just cast it normally and then choose to either pay or not pay the Kicker I guess. I don't actually know, I was just bringing up an interesting idea.

[NoirLamia]

Here's an example of what I think they would look like:

Kicker Plains

Tap: Add W to your mana pool.

Kicker: U

If this land was kicked, everytime you tap it for mana add a U mana to your mana pool as well.

But that is focusing on more mana, the lands can also have different abilities that could go along with creatures, life, etc if they were kicked. Other kicker costs that come mind: Losing life, sacrificing a creature, discarding cards.

[Mage Master]

It probably wouldn't be that good but yeah basically. I doubt it'll be in the set but it's an interesting way that Wizards could choose to go.

Just to clarify to everyone, this is just baseless speculation and none of this holds any shred of legitimacy right now.

[NoirLamia]

Yea, but hey they would be amazing replacements for the filter lands that are leaving lol.

[Mage Master]

It'd probably have an "until the end of turn" clause wrapped up in it. Just to make it easier to keep track of if nothing else.

['Heroic']

It seems too good for one land to produce two mana, but new filter lands would be nice :3

Edit: Probably won't happen, now that I think about it. After all, Wizards IS trying to push mono color.

[NoirLamia]

Or perhaps a dual land with kicker but it comes into play tapped unless you pay it's kicker cost? Say sacrifice a creature or something.

['Heroic']

Seems like it could work... also seems to suck, though.

[Mage Master]

A nice Burn spell with Kicker would be nice Wizards. You know, so mono Red has some good spells once the format rotation guts it like a fish.

['Heroic']

Yeah, I'm trying it post-rotation. I REALLY hope that happens D:

[NoirLamia]

Seems like it could work... also seems to suck, though.

Indeed, I didn't say lost life though because then it would basically be a shock or pain land all over again and it would be way too good.

Kicker burn spells would be nice, something good to replace the Javelins, Demigods, and Figures. That's a lot but they can do it.

And hopefully the new Chandra won't stink, 1RR mana cost please!

['Heroic']

I'd like a good 4 drop Chandra.

T2 - Hellspark Elemental
T3 - Ball Lightning
T4 - Chandra

[LowFr3eq]

Isn't T4 Double Hellspark better?

['Heroic']

Isn't T4 Double Hellspark better?

That depends on the situation and if you even drew two Hellsparks.

[LowFr3eq]

Anyone seen the news about trap cards?

No I'm not kidding, people are speculating that it will be morph without morph cost for certain instants.

BTW, I play ygo too. its quite sad really.

[Acardus]

Maybe the Trap terminology is a bit... "huh?" from YGO terms (in contrast that Traps are Instant on the "battlefield") but the mechanics seems legit. Kind of 50/50 unless there's more mechanics behind it.

[MeddlingMage]

I'm hoping Chandra is better this time around.

[Lentini]

I'm looking forward to traps! sounds fun :)

[poketo]

It probably wouldn't be that good but yeah basically. I doubt it'll be in the set but it's an interesting way that Wizards could choose to go.

Just to clarify to everyone, this is just baseless speculation and none of this holds any shred of legitimacy right now.

I have seen a lot of people kicking the idea but it can be a come into play cost like rupture spire but not mandatory...

like
land
land comes into play tapped
kicker (a/b) land comes into play untapped
t:Add a or b into your mana pool.

Yes with Hybrid.

I think they should try making traps with morph and have regular creatures with morph so people may sweat out what they are.

[Gatsby]

Methinks it's splice without arcane due to Maro's disdain for Kamigawa block.

[Majin Saitoh]

If lands have Kicker added to them with effects that help out with board position (or what have you), it would at least help with people always complaining that all they drew was land in the late game.

[pat460]

Kicker lands could be fun, like
Kicker Island
tap: add U
Kicker B
If kicker was paid, you may add a charge counter
Tap, Remove a charge counter: add UU, UB, or BB.

[Mage Master]

That's not actually a half bad idea. It provides good enough mana fixing while not being overly good.

[NoirLamia]

I like it, sorta replaces Filters for a one time use. Maybe add two charge counters so it will be a little more like the Vivid lands? Wish I thought of it :(

[Justmcnew]

The new Landfall mechanic in Zendikar was already spoiled btw:

Rampaging Baloths
4GG
Creature - Beast
Mythic Rare

Trample

Landfall - Whenever a land enters the battlefield under your control, you may put a 4/4 green Beast creature token onto the battlefield.

(4/4)

Just thought I'd share this with the Pojo community...

[Mage Master]

I'm pretty sure someone already spoiled it here. They can really go so many places with this though.

[Justmcnew]

I like the combo potential the new Landfall mechanic has with Fastbond, Exploration, Lifegift, Rites of Flourishing, Vinelasher Kudzu, and Azusa, Lost but Seeking.

Maybe Storm Cauldron could combo well with Landfall, I dunno.

[NoirLamia]

Yea it was spoiled above, I am loving that mechanic though. Can't wait to see if more than Green will have it as an ability. Makes sense for all colors to have it with the floating objects over each.

EDIT: I love Rites of Flourishing in multi-player, and Landfall would be amazing with it.

[Mage Master]

Red could get one that pings target creature/player. I mean, I can dream right?

[Rai Kerensky]

Landfall definitely has a lot of potential.

[Lentini]

lots of good ideas being thrown around, wizards should take note :p

[LowFr3eq]

They are actually contractually obliged not to look at CCG forums.

[Mage Master]

I'm pretty sure they look at their own forums.

[LowFr3eq]

MaRo once said that if anyone has ideas on either Gleemax, Salvation or elsewhere he has to stop looking at it, it might be because of IP or something, you don't want some kid saying: "hey where's my money for the greatest effect ever that everyone loves and every decks uses, not to mention being very very balanced."

[Mage Master]

That's true but we're kinda getting off-topic here and by my own actions too. lol

So, we're getting another line for Sorin and possibly something on Chandra today/tonight. Who wants to bet we find out who created Sorin's art?

[LowFr3eq]

It'll be the 3rd line lol, thats what i voted for...

['Heroic']

I think it'll be first line, personally.

[NoirLamia]

I hope it is the first line, but I bet it will be the art or card type.

['Heroic']

No one is dumb enough for that. It's gonna be first line, I know it.

[Mage Master]

You know it could very well be card type.

['Heroic']

The evidence leads one to believe so, yes, but I suppose I still have faith in humanity ;-;

Art was an understandable first. As was name, as people would like to know what they were dealing with.

I have no answer for Loyalty/Power/Toughness, though...

[NoirLamia]

To tell you the truth I wouldn't mind if they spoiled the mana cost tonight.

['Heroic']

I'd much rather know Chandra's.

Speaking of which, have they said when they will release more info on her?

[poketo]

I just hope this doesn't hit the video game cycle:
Sounds cool;
Even better;
overrated...

[pat460]

I hope chandra isnt in the set, and the pic is of Jaya Ballard as a Planeswalker. To be fair, her body is on fire, she hangs out with Chandra, and she wears goggles.

['Heroic']

Does Steve Argyle's DeviantArt say that it is Chandra?

[Mage Master]

The MtG Facebook page even says its Chandra.

[NoirLamia]

I was just browsing Salvation when I came across this article: http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=178706

That makes so much sense and it would be amazingly cool if it was true, I can't wait for some more information.

[Rai Kerensky]

It does. I wonder if that means Sorin is related to Baron Sengir, or just a random vampire?

[NoirLamia]

Yea, or if he is like the General of Baron's vampire army (which someone on Salvation suggested).

[EVO KAI]

It would have been cool if he would have been Baron himself. :eek:

[NoirLamia]

Extremely cool, what ever happened to Baron? Did he go through the portal or did he die? I never read the Homelands novels. If someone could PM me that info I would appreciate it.

['Heroic']

Shouldn't we be getting the next part of the card soon?

[NoirLamia]

We should be but they are so lazy with this.

[Rai Kerensky]

It would have been cool if he would have been Baron himself.

It might be. He is named Baron Sengir, which last time I check, is a Title, not a name.

I never read the story, so I do not know if they mentioned he was a planeswalker or not.

[NoirLamia]

I see. Anyways, here is something to check out as we wait for the spoiling: http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=178748

Another Vampire, yay!

[Gatsby]

Yea, "Vamp. Nighthawk" has the same red marking as "Vamp. Lacerator". I hope it's an efficient beater while you wait for T4 Nocturnus.

[NoirLamia]

Yea, "Vamp. Nighthawk" has the same red marking as "Vamp. Lacerator". I hope it's an efficient beater while you wait for T4 Nocturnus.

Yea, I think they it's tribal war make-up. The Baron Sengir's army thing just keeps sounding better and better. Another point, Sorin has a sword, the perfect weapon for a war and of course the signature weapon for a general.

[Gatsby]

Hah! Makir Bloodwitch has the markings too and yet Mr. Markov doesn't. Hurh?
Sorin does dress more civilized and regally so maybe he's an outcast or not a vamp due to the whole "undead" can't get the spark.

[NoirLamia]

Hah! Makir Bloodwitch has the markings too and yet Mr. Markov doesn't. Hurh?
Sorin does dress more civilized and regally so maybe he's an outcast or not a vamp due to the whole "undead" can't get the spark.

Or perhaps he is against the other Vampires. But I prefer the General theory. Are Vampires really undead? I wasn't aware that they died.

[EVO KAI]

They are techniclly undead, but they can be a living person...source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vampires

[Gatsby]

Hmm, I guess I jump the gun on the whole undead thing, lol. Though wikipedia does mentions them as undead beings.

http://www.wizards.com/Magic/magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/stf/43
^Article about creating planeswalker and etc...

[EVO KAI]

Hmm, I guess I jump the gun on the whole undead thing, lol. Though wikipedia does mentions them as undead beings.

http://www.wizards.com/Magic/magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/stf/43
^Article about creating planeswalker and etc...

Nice article ^^

So the possibility of an undead Planeswalker is there...hmmm.

[a-slice-of-cake]

Sorry to sound like an echo, but are Vampires necessarily Undead?

[Lance DeVrai]

Do not turn this into a general Vampire discussion. This is NOT a Twilight board and I'll be damned if it becomes one!

[a-slice-of-cake]

No pun intended, I assume. ;)

But seriously, storyline-wise, how could a spark be present in an undead (if santient) being? That's just odd.

[NoirLamia]

Sorry North, I feel your hatred towards Twilight. I mean Dracula was never as famous as those stupid teenagers *sigh* (My sister is obsessed with it, feel for me!)

Anyways, I can see like the Lich Lords for Zombies having the spark but a mindless mass of ghouls seems silly. Unless they take the route of Resident Evil 5 where the Zombies are smart, then I could see a Zombie planeswalker (which I would love).

EDIT: I guess they really did forget to update it this time :(

['Heroic']

Or, they're actually waiting until Friday.

[NoirLamia]

Or, they're actually waiting until Friday.

It is Friday where I live. They update it every day at 12 o'clock where it is the soonest for time zones (meaning NY area is the first) It is 2:11 were I am at currently..they are that late.

[Gatsby]

They usually update around 9:00 p.m. where I am at (Cali) which also happens to be midnight for East Coasters. So, what is up with today?

Oh yeah, there some new pics up on Salvation from Gencon. Looks neat.
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=178727

[NoirLamia]

I am loving those tentacle lands. And I bet you that the Obelisk artwork has something to do with destroying all artifacts and/or lands. Maybe Red's equivalent to WoG?

[EVO KAI]

Is it just me or are there a couple of soldiers that resemble Rebels?

Like the one with the light blue skin, and the one that's on the front of the white intro deck.

['Heroic']

w00t Cali love.

Also, I really like that art. Seems rugged. Also, it looks to be mixing old with new.

[pat460]

Wow, tentacles. Just. Wow. There will be too many jokes if the tentacle cards are played.

[NoirLamia]

Is it just me or are there a couple of soldiers that resemble Rebels?

Like the one with the light blue skin, and the one that's on the front of the white intro deck.

They are Kor I believe, and yes they might be Rebels..a lot of the older Kor cards were indeed Kor Rebels.

[EVO KAI]

They are Kor I believe, and yes they might be Rebels..a lot of the older Kor cards were indeed Kor Rebels.

Yup, that's correct...they might indeed be rebels of Kor. Thanks for the backflash, lol.

[NoirLamia]

Anytime, I used to play W/B Rebel way back when I had my first dose of Magic. I actually almost completed the whole set of Nemesis :)

[Acardus]

Mmmm... more support for Rebels? I hate to see some reprinted Rebels (certain Legendary card from the past) and swarm! Good swarming battle since Wrath is dead... just Wrath.

[NoirLamia]

Wrath will be back in ZEN...

With a brand spanking new name and new artwork (baseless speculation :3)

[a-slice-of-cake]

Lin Sivvi will not come back, I promise you. Wizards isn't that dumb, and she's Dominarian anyway.

Maybe that Tribal Rebel enchantment will come back? Bound in Silence?

But wait, that'd make this another tribal block... damn it...

[NoirLamia]

Lin Sivvi will not come back, I promise you. Wizards isn't that dumb, and she's Dominarian anyway.

Maybe that Tribal Rebel enchantment will come back? Bound in Silence?

But wait, that'd make this another tribal block... damn it...

You know too well this is set up for Tribal :P

With that said, I can't wait!

[EVO KAI]

Ahh yes, B/W Rebel Control was my favorite. Absorb FTW. And Lin Sivvi was God back then...so broken she was banned. :(

Ok, back on topic....hmm, if it wasn't for all the solder support already out, I'd speculate there'd be some Rebel stuff coming, but that'd make soldiers coming out strong pointless....you think?

[NoirLamia]

Not really, I mean WotC never specifically said they wanted to make Soliders one of the new competitive types. I don't see them going anywhere past their current M10 line-up.

[Acardus]

For flavorwise, I assume white has internal struggle... became Soldier and Rebels. Not sure how it goes with the other colors... we know that Black has Vampire aristocrats...

[NoirLamia]

Vampire Aristocrat, what an amazing creature. A Nantuko Husk that can get buffed by Nocturnus and itself, and don't forget it can gain Flying. I can't wait to make Vampires!

[EVO KAI]

Not really, I mean WotC never specifically said they wanted to make Soliders one of the new competitive types. I don't see them going anywhere past their current M10 line-up.

Really?

I think soldiers will get more support in the next sets, well at least I hope they do. With all the support it got this set, it'd be pointless not too.

But if it came down to it, I definitely love to see a rebel comeback. That would really be awesome. Especially since Rebels can breach into many colors...;)

[Acardus]

MMmmm... as long as Zendikar exist, multicolor is still available for our abusement.

[NoirLamia]

Really?

I think soldiers will get more support in the next sets, well at least I hope they do. With all the support it got this set, it'd be pointless not too.

But if it came down to it, I definitely love to see a rebel comeback. That would really be awesome. Especially since Rebels can breach into many colors...;)

Indeed, however the only organized thing I see for ZEN is the army of Vampires. Maybe we will see Vampire Soldiers (very likely if the whole army thing is true). Then again, they will probably be black and serve no relation with the M10 creations.

I also would love Rebels returning, it would give me a reason to start playing them again and having two standard decks at once.

[EVO KAI]

Maybe they're prepping soldiers for the coming of vampires. Light vs Darkness...and maybe Angel support. :D

....man I'm so dreaming right now, lol.

[NoirLamia]

Maybe they're prepping soldiers for the coming of vampires. Light vs Darkness...and maybe Angel support. :D

....man I'm so dreaming right now, lol.

I can see that, oh by the way man have you seen this huge babe: http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=93975&d=1250800391

[EVO KAI]

O.M.G.

That is amazing!

Any info on what she will be? (creature, spell)

Name?

EDIT: Holy crap...I didn't even notice how big she was until I saw that guy on the piece of rock. She's gotta be something amazing.

[Acardus]

She's too awesome to be a noncreature spell.

[EVO KAI]

She's too awesome to be a noncreature spell.

+1000

I truly hope she's a creature. Just stunning.

[NoirLamia]

Oh yea, and I am loving the six wings. Can anyone say Seraph? Perhaps an Angel Giant or Angel Avatar. I think it will be amazing.

EDIT: Here's another playmat from the same source - http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=93976&d=1250800391

[EVO KAI]

An Angel avatar would be sick. :cool:

[NoirLamia]

Indeed, do I hear "I gotta trade my Baneslayer for her!" lol

That would be epic.

[EVO KAI]

Lol!

Man, I can't wait for this set. So many goodies. :D

[a-slice-of-cake]

That Angel pic is hot.

The art in this set looks like it's going to be really, really good. Lorwyn was bad, Shards was okay, but these look awesome.

[Lance DeVrai]

That is a huge ******* angel! Damn. I can imagine it'll be on par with Akroma. Or I'll cry. A lot.

[Rai Kerensky]

I hope it is better then Akroma. This better make Baneslayer and Akroma look like a bad joke.

[Lentini]

I hope it is better then Akroma. This better make Baneslayer and Akroma look like a bad joke.

sorry, I hope you're wrong... better than baneslayer is too good. :p

[Mage Master]

So I guess all of you went to bed before they spoiled today's part of the card. Well I can report that Sorin will cost 3BBB. Looks like he's going to have some pretty good abilities if Wizards had to make him that expensive and "difficult" to cast.

So currently we have (I took a few liberties here based of of past Planeswalkers):

Sorin Markov 3BBB (Mythic Rare?)
Planeswalker - Sorin
+ ability
- ability
- ability
4
Artist

[LowFr3eq]

He'll probably have the cencored ablity from nicol bolas.

[Mage Master]

Well his second minus ability either doesn't cost that much more than his loyalty or he must have like a +2 or +3 plus ability. I think speculating that he has the unused Nicol Bolas ability at this point in time would be jumping the gun.

[Gatsby]

http://www.wizards.com/Magic/magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/mm/39
^^ Here's the article talking about Nicol Bolas' censored ability.

Well, we can't rule out Chandra or Nissa having this ultimate but by looking at Sorin mana cost and loyatly, why not? lol...

[a-slice-of-cake]

6 mana for a non-Bolas PW? Wow... And 3 of it's black...

I guess they are trying to push mono now!

[Mage Master]

I'm pretty sure they made it clear months ago that they were going to be pushing mono coloured decks after Alara Reborn. It's hardly surprising then that Sorin costs 3BBB and not say.....5B. People need to get over the whole "I should be able to easily play this card in my deck no matter what colours I'm running" mentality.

[Islaya]

Ugh at Chandra Ablaze's 4RR casting cost. <_<

Two 6CC Walkers is the same set, WTF was Wizards thinking V_V

EDIT: Chandra Pt.2 from FB (http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=94031&d=1250869978)

[Mage Master]

I don't think that there's anything they can do to her within reason that will make her playable at this point.

[NoirLamia]

This sorta stinks, he better have a +2 ability and we better get some better Vampires to keep us in the game until turn 6.

[Mage Master]

I'm guessing he has to have a +2 ability if he costs 6 to cast. Either that or his third ability isn't something truly spectacular like people hope it will be.

[NoirLamia]

What I would love is a -4 Damnation ability :D

Imagine that and he becomes the staple in every black deck.

['Heroic']

I don't think that there's anything they can do to her within reason that will make her playable at this point.

This depends. I mean, she was expensive originally and her final is pretty insane. If they can make her final just as insane and her first ability +2 or pretty useful, I'll be upping my land count and playing her.

[Mage Master]

I honestly can't see mono Red playing her. Red is a fast deck and well, she isn't.

[NoirLamia]

Everyone! Say hello to the new WoG!

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a232/DeceivedEnvy/WRATH.jpg

Source is Salvation of course.

[yachiru-luvr]

Everyone! Say hello to the new WoG!

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a232/DeceivedEnvy/WRATH.jpg

So much "sniff" WIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIN!

[NoirLamia]

I almost cried when I saw it, xD

[Lance DeVrai]

I told y'all that Wrath of God would be reprinted. Just in an alternate, crappier form. I say that because at times, the no-regen policy is relevant.

[NoirLamia]

I told y'all that Wrath of God would be reprinted. Just in an alternate, crappier form. I say that because at times, the no-regen policy is relevant.

Yup, it's still the best removal that will be in Standard. I am actually loving the no Regen part of this. I can see Vampires having Regenerate, so that must be the "balancing" part for WotC to print this.

[Lance DeVrai]

I don't like the idea of a Drudge Skeletons surviving what Baneslayer Angel cannot.

[NoirLamia]

Oh I do...

Flavorfully Drudge Skeletons is already dead and therefore can't die like an Angel can.

[Gatsby]

RAGE!
White is going to dominate again!
And I just bought some Planar Cleansings....sigh

How uncool, Harm's Way, Honor the Pure, Silence and Cpt. of the Watch.
Zen better have white hate.

['Heroic']

D: Goodbye Aggro handled metagame...

[Mage Master]

So yeah, I'm playing Blue/White if I decide to play Standard again after October.

[NoirLamia]

I am playing W/B Vampires..

Sorin's +1 Ability: All Vampires gain Regenerate. All Vampires get +1/+1 until end of turn. (Speculation)

[Lance DeVrai]

So yeah, I'm playing Blue/White if I decide to play Standard again after October.

That makes two of us. Here's hoping Sigil Control is still sexy around then.

[NoirLamia]

So I guess this is the card that shop owner's will be giving out if you purchase a box of ZEN, similar to what they did with HotP. I guess I might actually go to the shop to buy my box if this is what's happening instead of ordering it offline.

[Acardus]

Everyone! Say hello to the new WoG!

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a232/DeceivedEnvy/WRATH.jpg

Source is Salvation of course.

I feel revived after seeing this!!!!

So much rage and happiness and more gar and more awesomeness!!!

[Dunjohn]

I'm annoyed. I think. It really is Birds of Paradise all over again. That's what annoys me. Wrath is gone, then a few months later, suddenly it's not. I had just gotten used to the idea of a Standard meta without an efficient white sweeper. That art isn't fantastic either, but it's only the promo art, and for whatever reason, lately the promo art for in-print cards hasn't stood up to the original's.

[Masterofredeyes]

Everyone! Say hello to the new WoG!

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a232/DeceivedEnvy/WRATH.jpg

Source is Salvation of course.





http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kB_l4AdtJds


Music describes how this makes me feel.

[poketo]

That makes two of us. Here's hoping Sigil Control is still sexy around then.

GO SIGILS!!!... but I am going to try and get 4 of them for my rGW aggro deck because Dauntless Escort plus board sweep is the awesomest combo!!! :D

[a-slice-of-cake]

...I'm disappointed.

I see no reason why they couldn't have just reprinted WoG, and not made the 4 copies in varying editions sitting in my Esper Control deck pointless. Now I've got to trade for these new, crappier Wraths, and they're a worse functional reprint, and... and...

I really hope this goes the way of Golden Lotus. Not that I have anything against WoG; I'd just like it to actually be, y'know, WoG. Although a Wrath-less format wouldn't be a bad thing.

[Mage Master]

Would it kill you to have a little faith in Wizards? I'm sure they have a perfectly good reason for printing this card.

[a-slice-of-cake]

Hey, you know me; I'm usually the one urging you guys to have faith in them, with the rule changes and everything. But this is ridiculous! Making functional reprints of draft cards like Grizzly Bears and whatever Griffin Sentinel used to be? That's fine. But taking a classic, always-been-in-Magic card out of the Core Set (and thus Standard), only to replace it with a crappy functional reprint that does nothing to the format but make people get new versions of the card without making any changes except making it a little worse... yeah, I'm peeved.

Making a WoG-like card decidedly different, such as Cleansing or Hallowed Burial, is fine. Making no card to fill WoG's void for this format is also fine. This is not cool at all.

I know I'm flipping out about a card that's probably fake anyway, but if it isn't, I'm very dissatisfied. I'm not going to quit, but I'm certainly dissatisfied -- especially as this will make precedence to not reprint WoG just like they didn't reprint Bolt for 10 years, albeit for different reasons.

[Mage Master]

There's probably a good reason that Wizards don't want the new card to hit non-creatures. We'll just have to wait for more of the set (and possibly following sets) to be revealed before we start lighting the torches and sharpening the pitchforks.

[NoirLamia]

Slicey it isn't fake, all the TOs got e-mails confirming that this is the promo version that will be given to the first 20 box sales.

Also, seems like we will have some Goblins in ZEN : http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=178758

[Mage Master]

Wizards are really teasing us with these piece by piece spoilers huh?

[NoirLamia]

Oh yea, I've gotten used to it though. I hate how they don't spoil anything on the weekends since they aren't in office :(

[Mage Master]

Well it's pretty hard to queue something like that up so I don't blame them for not automating it with no one around to make sure it works okay.

[NoirLamia]

Yea I guess you're right, I gotta get a life other than watch out for spoiler xD

[EVO KAI]

Hey, you know me; I'm usually the one urging you guys to have faith in them, with the rule changes and everything. But this is ridiculous! Making functional reprints of draft cards like Grizzly Bears and whatever Griffin Sentinel used to be? That's fine. But taking a classic, always-been-in-Magic card out of the Core Set (and thus Standard), only to replace it with a crappy functional reprint that does nothing to the format but make people get new versions of the card without making any changes except making it a little worse... yeah, I'm peeved.

Making a WoG-like card decidedly different, such as Cleansing or Hallowed Burial, is fine. Making no card to fill WoG's void for this format is also fine. This is not cool at all.

I know I'm flipping out about a card that's probably fake anyway, but if it isn't, I'm very dissatisfied. I'm not going to quit, but I'm certainly dissatisfied -- especially as this will make precedence to not reprint WoG just like they didn't reprint Bolt for 10 years, albeit for different reasons.

I'm sorry but I have to agree with this. It's ridiculous to have printed this, instead of Wrath. It's like they want to replace everything and anything that was playable before, but with crappier versions.

If it at least had Creatures don't regenerate, then that'd be acceptable, but at it's current state it will only be a situational sweeper, especially against black.

Whatever reasons they have, it's still a BS move. Sorry...

[Rai Kerensky]

This is getting old real quick. I am all for reprints, but not for cards that are functional reprints.

I see why they made it, and I actually like it, but to me, it is like the slapped WoG in the face. They kick it out, and then immediately find a replacement. I would have preferred seeing this in M11, or may be the last set of Zendikar.

[Justmcnew]

It would of been better If Wizards just reprinted Wrath of God itself instead of making the function reprint instead thus allowing players to still be able to play old WoG's in Standard. Saves the trouble of getting the new one when you could get the old one for almost the same price.

They did almost the same thing with Birds of Paradise with 9th Edition and Ravnica but the way Wizards "reprinted" WoG in Zendikar was in a sense poorly executed.

I can definitely see why Day of Judgment was a slap in the face against Wrath of God itself, maybe they thought that the name "Wrath of God" was somewhat offensive to other religious beliefs of people who might play Magic like Islam or something, "Wrath of Allah anyone?"

So they probably wanted to tone down the religious references in Magic with the new name but with a different alteration. It's no skin off my nose since I mainly play Casual Type 1 anyway.

I'm just excited to abuse the new Landfall mechanic that's going to be released in Zendikar. Realm Razor, Momentary Blink, Knight of the Reliquary, Fastbond, man the options are almost limitless. :D

I haven't been this excited to build a new Magic deck since Lorwyn block or probably Ravnica.

[Lentini]

Big news! (or maybe you guys know this already)
I hear there are full-art basic lands in Zendikar!

weeee!

[NoirLamia]

Big news! (or maybe you guys know this already)
I hear there are full-art basic lands in Zendikar!

weeee!

Oh yea, we've known that for about 2 weeks know lol. Thanks though :)

[Lentini]

Oh yea, we've known that for about 2 weeks know lol. Thanks though :)

haha, alright. just learned today. Aparently my friend is in the know about the new duals but is sworn to secrecy... says they're better than filters! anyone got any info on that?

[a-slice-of-cake]

We've heard nothing regarding the new duals, but it's hard to imagine lands more powerful than filters without going back to Shocklands or Dual Lands a la Revised.

[Rai Kerensky]

Let us leave this train of thought for a better issue. I smell Anrothica breathing down our necks.

I wonder if we will see any more "functional" reprints?

[NoirLamia]

Indeed, I apologize Epica for this whole debate which is I am pretty sure illegal on these forums.

On with ZEN, I am pretty sure I see a "functional" Damnation coming lol

[Lentini]

I see a "functional" Damnation coming lol

you are correct. (pretty sure it's white though)

[NoirLamia]

Indeed, glad we worked it out.

Although I believe WotC not only made a reprint of WoG just make it more balanced but also to change the name so they weren't favoring one religion over another.

you are correct. (pretty sure it's white though)

Haha, yup I guess black might never get that card back :(

[Acardus]

Heh.

As long as it's cheap and kills a lot of goodies, I don't mind calling it even if they call it "Hell's Angel Carnage." A card is a card that can do something.

[NoirLamia]

I agree, that's what always made me upset in when I played YGO. They changed a card name from Trial of Hell to Trial of Nightmare.

[Acardus]

Lol

I remember reading an article saying that they should limit the number of "Demons." And that was before Kamigawa!

Something that says "can't make them again unless it's a smiling demon." Need to find that article in their web.



Found it!

Where Have All The Demons Gone? (http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtgcom/daily/mr131)

[Dunjohn]

A lot of the functional reprints, I'm okay with. I understand what they're doing with the "flavour reset", and to be honest, I had been expecting this card in M2010, so I was very surprised when Planar Cleansing was revealed. It's the fact that I got used to having no Wrath in the gap that has me annoyed.

That goblin; dear God, the flavour text! That's just awful!

[Mage Master]

I just deleted 10 posts from this thread. What the hell guys, you all know religious discussion is banned on this forum and yet you go ahead and post about it anyway. I'm disappointed, I thought you were all better than that but I guess I was wrong.

I'm gonna have to talk with North about this because by all rights you guys should probably get some kind of punishment.

[poketo]

I wasn't here for that >.>

anyway wit hthe new WoG they are now weakening some threats of Aggro Format, WHICH I AM CONTROL so I LIKE

[Lance DeVrai]

I wasn't here for that >.>

I just deleted 10 posts from this thread. What the hell guys, you all know religious discussion is banned on this forum and yet you go ahead and post about it anyway. I'm disappointed, I thought you were all better than that but I guess I was wrong.

I'm gonna have to talk with North about this because by all rights you guys should probably get some kind of punishment.

I smell Anrothica breathing down our necks.

I was alseep for all of this and you guys are very ******* lucky I was, because I would be handing out bans for EVERYONE who posted about it.

I'm stunned that it happened at all. This is the first AND ONLY WARNING for everyone: keep that religious **** out of Pojo. It's not allowed for a reason. So quit spamming and talk/speculate about Zendikar.

Onlooker, I'm keeping an eye on you. Don't instigate; I will not hesitate to have you banned personally.
NoirLamia and Raijin Kerensky, you both know better.
And yachiru-fan...don't spam!

NOW! On topic. I like Day of Judgment...except the name. Because, come on, having OPTIONS in other formats is nice! Wrath being cheaper helps in Extended and when Day cycles, it'll drop for Extended too! I like that a lot!

Has anything else interesting been revealed since my century-long slumber?

[Dunjohn]

I don't have a deck right now. The period between the end of Nationals and the block rotation is traditionally my annual "crazy" period because there's no pressure to win anything. I still have the Polymorph-Progenitus deck I was using at Nats, and I had been using white weenie all year (until everyone else started running it), but I don't favour any one style over another. We'll see what Zen brings us first.

We only have six cards fully spoiled. Only two are really impressive, Judgment and that token-spewing tramplemonster. Looks like aggro and control are neck and neck off the blocks....

@North, who suddenly appeared out of nowhere: I doubt Day of Judgment is going anywhere, that's gotta be a Core Set plant. Well, assuming the term "Core Set plant" still means anything these days. Anyway, I reckon it's here to stay, and it's got two Core Set chances to do just that before it leaves Standard.

[Lance DeVrai]

What "token-spewing tramplemonster" are you referring to?

[Dunjohn]

Sorry, that may have been fully revealed during sleep time ;)

Rampaging Baloths - 4GG
Creature - Beast
Trample
Landfall - Whenever a land enters the battlefield under your control, you may put a 4/4 green Beast creature token onto the battlefield.
6/6
#176/249

[Mage Master]

That actually pretty good for the cost.

[Lance DeVrai]

Sorry, that may have been fully revealed during sleep time ;)

Rampaging Baloths - 4GG
Creature - Beast
Trample
Landfall - Whenever a land enters the battlefield under your control, you may put a 4/4 green Beast creature token onto the battlefield.
6/6
#176/249

Oh him! I wasn't aware that he was real. Yeah, he's really good. Amazing for the cost.

[Dunjohn]

Oh him! I wasn't aware that he was real. Yeah, he's really good. Amazing for the cost.

Apparently, he is real. His original thread on MTGS was locked for seeming fake, but then reopened by the same mod based on some secretive new info he received, and now it's on their spoiler.

He's solid, but not too much better than the standard of green fatties we've been getting lately. At the six-mana point, you might struggle to drop a land every turn. Game-breaking in limited if you can avoid removal, and reliable in constructed, would be my appraisal.

[Lance DeVrai]

In Standard, you might struggle to drop a land every turn. In other formats, not so much. Do keep in mind that it doesn't say "play a land", it says "comes into play under your control" and Green is the Mana Ramp color.

Let's just say that Sakura-Tribe Elder has some pretty nice application(s) again.

[Dunjohn]

True, but at the same time, you don't want to still be playing mana ramp stuff at this stage. He's very good, but I doubt he'll dominate any more than Thornling or the other recent green mega-fatties.
Scapeshift really likes this guy.

[Lance DeVrai]

Point taken. Of course, it might still be too early to tell for either side of the argument.

Although I will admit, I'll be designing a deck for him. And it'll be the only deck to ever use Sakura-Tribe Scout.

['Heroic']

I disagree. Much unlike Thornling, I think if you're to drop this and the opponent has no form of removal, you've pretty much won.

[NoirLamia]

So far all I'm seeing is 6 drops (besides the Wrath), much like this beast, Sorin, and Chandra. I am starting to believe that the format will slow down a lot with this set, or at least I hope so.

['Heroic']

It wouldn't matter if this set is slow, Alara is still really fast.

[NoirLamia]

It wouldn't matter if this set is slow, Alara is still really fast.

I guess you're right, I can see Jund and Bant decks still topping. Maybe that's the reason why WotC gave us Day of Judgment.

[Dunjohn]

So far all I'm seeing is 6 drops (besides the Wrath), much like this beast, Sorin, and Chandra. I am starting to believe that the format will slow down a lot with this set, or at least I hope so.

We haven't even seen a dozen mana costs yet, but yeah, what we have seen is pretty expensive now that you mention it. Maybe the set's land theme has something to do with that. If land is a major deal, they'd have to up the costs slightly to balance it. I doubt they'd do it too much, though, because that hurts the set's ability to pay well with other sets.

[NoirLamia]

Indeed, I seriously don't mind cards with high mana costs. I will find a way to use them eventually, especially Sorin no matter his abilities.

[yachiru-luvr]

I apologize for my earlier comment,but as to Zendikar my friends and I have been talking all weekend about the new WoG and personally we hate it. No offence to the people who like it but, its just bad. ASoC made a very, very good argument and I agree with him 100%. Although if and only if regeneration is a huge mechanic in Zendikar I will retract this statement. And I'm not a spammer, Harumf!

[pat460]

New Wrath= Bad Wrath. I'm getting tired of Wizards reprinting staples that everyone has as new cards. Essence scatter, ect were annoying but didn't matter, but when you do it to a $20 card? Come on now, its just pestering. I might start just playing extended/vintage/legacy if this keeps up.

[Mage Master]

I love how you guys care so much, if you don't like the new Wrath then don't buy/trade for your 4 copies. It's hardly going to be the cornerstone of the deck anyway.

[Dunjohn]

I'm annoyed by it, I didn't say I don't like it... besides, even if it's not a cornerstone, it'll still be the most efficient sweep in the format so it's worth having.

I did boycott Jitte while it was Standard legal. Refused to use it, refused to own any aside from the one in my collection. Still don't own extras. Not sure why. Not sure if WotC noticed.

['Heroic']

I think new Wrath will be very prevalent in Standard. Maybe not so much in Legacy, though. (I'm looking at you, MM)

It's just a pain when we've already started to adapt to a Wrath-less format and to see our old 20$ Wraths turn dwindle even further.

[Mage Master]

I wasn't talking about Legacy. >.>

['Heroic']

I know, but I was just stating that it hurts us Standard players a lot more then Legacy players such as yourself. That's all.

[a-slice-of-cake]

Is Wrath even used in Legacy decks?

[Mage Master]

I still don't see how not having DoJ hurts Standard players. Again, it's not like it's going to be a cornerstone of any deck just like Wrath wasn't.

Decks running White aren't exactly what you'd call viable in Legacy for the most part and if the deck is using White it has better things to run than Wrath of God.

[a-slice-of-cake]

Well, you have to run Whtie to run Swords, a Legacy staple, so...

But I believe you that a 4-mana defensive sorcery isn't the best choice in Eternal formats.

[Mage Master]

Swords to Plowshares isn't as big of a Legacy staple as you might think it is. Sure it see some play in decks splashing White but other than that it's not really played in any top tier Legacy decks. At least from what I've been seeing.

Now to get somewhat more on-topic, why does my being a Legacy player keep being brought into this? All I'm saying is you don't have to play DoJ if you don't want to and it's probably not going to hurt you all that much in the long run. If you guys go out and get them don't blame Wizards for it, they're not holding a gun to your head and forcing you to play the card.

[Lance DeVrai]

Why is Legacy format being discussed here? This is the official ZENDIKAR thread, not LEGACY FORMAT thread.

I agree with Mage: you guys are blowing this Day of Judgment thing WAY the hell outta proportion. Chillax, yo.

[Gatsby]

I'm fine with the new wrath but it irks me that it is a functional reprint. w/e
I'm more afraid of Hallow Burial, lol.
Well, I guess I'll have to wait to 9:00 pm tonight to see Sorin's (hopefully) 3rd line.

[LowFr3eq]

Yeah I voted for 3rd line...

also, control players kinda needed a faster Wrath that 5CC burial or 6CC planar cleansing.

[MeddlingMage]

I love the new Day of Judgment. I just don't like the art. Maybe I'll get 4 of these.

[pat460]

So everyone will just gnore that Wizards made you $80 wrath playsets useless until extended season, and forces you to replace them with new wrath which will probaby be lik $60 a set? IDK if it will be a 4 of, but still, they couldn't have just given us just wrath? Whats the point? Not like this one card will make the set sell that much more, so I really don't get it.

[Gatsby]

Yay, Sorin got updated today(typeline). It's a Planeswalker! I didn't know that!
Riggggggged :<

[Lance DeVrai]

So everyone will just gnore that Wizards made you $80 wrath playsets useless until extended season, and forces you to replace them with new wrath which will probaby be lik $60 a set? IDK if it will be a 4 of, but still, they couldn't have just given us just wrath? Whats the point? Not like this one card will make the set sell that much more, so I really don't get it.

No one's making people buy Day of Judgment. Besides, maybe WotC likes the idea of giving people options in various cards like this. Wotc could have just as easily printed Swords to Plowshares in Conflux, but made Path to Exile and I heard no complaining whatsoever about that one.

So here's a thought, guys: if you don't like it, don't play it. Or better yet, quit whining and play your Wrath of Gods in not-Standard. Because I'm sick seeing all the complaining.

[a-slice-of-cake]

North, you very well know that Swords to Plowshares and Path to Exile are very different cards. Day of Judgment is Wrath of God, with a hardly-relevant side effect, that serves to not let us use our older reprints.

I wish we could see a few more spoilers so we can get off this subject -- it's just making me mad.

[Lance DeVrai]

North, you very well know that Swords to Plowshares and Path to Exile are very different cards. Day of Judgment is Wrath of God, with a hardly-relevant side effect, that serves to not let us use our older reprints.

I wish we could see a few more spoilers so we can get off this subject -- it's just making me mad.

How the hell so? Give your opponent life or give your opponent a land. Either way, it's an undesirable effect for a 1-cost removal spell. And you do need to remember that the two were being compared when Path to Exile was revealed.

Whether or not Day of Judgment is or isn't Wrath of God is irrelevant. People just like to whine and complain when things don't go their way! Everyone whined when Wrath of God wasn't printed in M10 and I rofl'd. Day of Judgment gets revealed and it seems I'm the only one who likes it.

I'm going to say this for everyone: IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT, DON'T PLAY IN STANDARD! Simple as that. Quit whining and move on. It's one card. WotC doesn't hate you, WotC isn't stabbing you in the back, WotC doesn't care about you, get over yourselves. All of you! Geez!

Bring on the flames. I have my Delete Post button ready.

[Mage Master]

I find it funny that there are people who play Jund decks complaining about this. I figured you guys would be fine with spending stupid amounts of money on pieces of cardboard.

Seriously though if you don't like it then just don't play the card or don't play Standard. It's really not that complicated now please can we all chill out before I have to lock this thread?

[Rai Kerensky]

To be honest, I thought it was about time they retired WoG.

[Gatsby]

Anyways, Zendikar is a large set with 249 cards, Worldwake is a small set with 145 and "Prosper" will be a large set! :O Zendikar has great lands and I hope "Prosper" lands will be just as great.

[pat460]

How the hell so? Give your opponent life or give your opponent a land. Either way, it's an undesirable effect for a 1-cost removal spell. And you do need to remember that the two were being compared when Path to Exile was revealed.

They are both negative effects on a 1 cost, but they are VERY different negative effects. Wrath was litereally the same thing as DoJ except with stopping regen. Regen isn't heavy in standard, so this is almost the same card.

Whether or not Day of Judgment is or isn't Wrath of God is irrelevant. People just like to whine and complain when things don't go their way! Everyone whined when Wrath of God wasn't printed in M10 and I rofl'd. Day of Judgment gets revealed and it seems I'm the only one who likes it.

What exactly do you lke? The misfortune of others who get scerweed by Wizards in a format you don't play?

I'm going to say this for everyone: IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT, DON'T PLAY IN STANDARD! Simple as that. Quit whining and move on. It's one card. WotC doesn't hate you, WotC isn't stabbing you in the back, WotC doesn't care about you, get over yourselves. All of you! Geez!

I don't like it, but I have to play it in standard, because I play in standard. Sorry, but to be realistic here, its going to be the best board removal in standard, and I play standard competativly. Whether I like it or not, I'm stuck with it. And I don't think "get over yourself" is a egitamate response to me loosing my $80 wrath set and having to basically get it again, except with less playability.

Bring on the flames. I have my Delete Post button ready

Yup, take the easy route, go for it. Why not just ban everyone who opposes your opinion?.

Responses in bold yo.

['Heroic']

I find it funny that there are people who play Jund decks complaining about this. I figured you guys would be fine with spending stupid amounts of money on pieces of cardboard.

Seriously though if you don't like it then just don't play the card or don't play Standard. It's really not that complicated now please can we all chill out before I have to lock this thread?

We aren't really not being chill xD

We're just expressing our opinion on a card we believe was made in a very stupid fashion which is very relevant to the topic.

We're not complaining about having to use it, but rather that it was pointless. If you guys wish to stop us from just expressing this opinion, then I'm sure we will, but as for now I just wish for it to be known that this isn't just pointless complaining, but rather a show of displeasure for a lazy move on WotC's part.

Anyway, I can't wait for Tuesday night. We've eliminated all the irrelevant information xD only good can happen now.

[Lance DeVrai]

Responses in bold yo.

Let's see...

What exactly do you lke? The misfortune of others who get scerweed by Wizards in a format you don't play?

I don't like it, but I have to play it in standard, because I play in standard. Sorry, but to be realistic here, its going to be the best board removal in standard, and I play standard competativly. Whether I like it or not, I'm stuck with it. And I don't think "get over yourself" is a egitamate response to me loosing my $80 wrath set and having to basically get it again, except with less playability.


Here's an idea: go to eBay, sell them, buy a set of Day of Judgment, move on.

Yup, take the easy route, go for it. Why not just ban everyone who opposes your opinion?

I'm gonna take the mature route and ignore this one.

But if this thread is going to continue being nothing but a whine-fest about Day of Judgment, then it's gonna get locked fast. Because that's not productive at all.

[a-slice-of-cake]

I don't like cards I broke my back (and my binder) to get being pseudo-reprinted such that I still have to play against it, but the ones I have I can neither make a deck with (can't play Jund forever) nor trade. So yeah, I'm not happy, and I feel quite justified. It's on-topic, it's not flaming any member of these boards, and it's relevant, so why are we suddenly getting ganged up on -- again!

If neither Wrath nor pseudo-Wrath got reprinted, that'd be fine, because it'd be meaningful change. This is instead just pointless change that does nothing but make players' lives difficult.

So, like I said, has there been any other ZEN news? I'd love to get this bad taste out of my mouth if but for a moment. Maybe some ideas on what Red, Blue, White, and Black Landfall will be like? I'm guessing that Red will involve damage (it always does), Blue will bounce stuff, and Black will kill stuff, but I have no idea about White.

[pat460]

Let's see...



Here's an idea: go to eBay, sell them, buy a set of Day of Judgment, move on.

I need wraths for extended, maybe legacy, ect. Why should I have to go through the rouble of rotating them inbeween seasons?

I'm gonna take the mature route and ignore this one.

You threatened to lock the thread because you didn't want to read posts you disagree with, and your mature?

But if this thread is going to continue being nothing but a whine-fest about Day of Judgment, then it's gonna get locked fast. Because that's not productive at all

Its copletely productive; its on topic, because DoJ is in Zendikar.
.
Responses in bold yo.

[EVO KAI]

I'm kinda surprised at some of the responses here...

I thought this was a disscusion thread about cards in the upcoming set of Zendikar?

I believe we are allowed the right to give opinions regarding any said card revealed. Whether it be good or bad. Everyone has good thoughts about cards and bad thoughts as well. If one has a dislike to a certain way a card is made, then it should permitted to express those feeling with respect. As it would be shown back to those who disagree....but to simply say, no, and move on, is not quite fair to some who have shown legitimate reasons to said opinions.

I'm not trying to dispute or instigate anything but I feel I should be able to criticize a card if I wish to without feeling like I shouldn't...as long as it pertains to said subject.

Thanks.

[Mage Master]

You guys can give opinions on cards, never said you couldn't. It's just it doesn't really add much to the thread when there's been what, 2 pages of people just saying Wizards stabbed them in the back? While a perfectly fine response to have please let's not let the thread (which is for the discussion of Zendikar as a whole) get bogged down in the discussion of one card when there are still 223 cards still to be revealed which may or may not have a major bearing on people's views of this one card.

With that said let's everyone just relax, take a deep breath and carry on discussing the set in a mature and sensible manner.

Also pat, please don't flame or try to start arguments. I don't like deleting posts or getting people in trouble but I will if I have to.

['Heroic']

So, like I said, has there been any other ZEN news? I'd love to get this bad taste out of my mouth if but for a moment. Maybe some ideas on what Red, Blue, White, and Black Landfall will be like? I'm guessing that Red will involve damage (it always does), Blue will bounce stuff, and Black will kill stuff, but I have no idea about White.

I'm thinking Lifegain. Or it'll do something like give your guys counters.

I think Blue will either bounce or make your opponent discard as well. Black could do that as well, though...

[pat460]

BTW DoJ thread so we can discuss it without beeing told not to:http://www.pojo.biz/board/showthread.php?p=14823977#post14823977

On Topic: I hope the landfall guys arent that good lol, because just the green one is a little too nutty in legacy.

[a-slice-of-cake]

Man, I hope White Landfall doesn't involve Lifegain. I'd love to see white do stuff beyond Weenie Rush or a splash in Control decks.

['Heroic']

Pointless thread is pointless.

I think LandFall is a very cool ability, it just seems a bit overpowered to me. Dunno. I could be wrong. This is coming from the guy that said Figure of Destiny was "meh at best".

[Mage Master]

Landfall's power will depend entirely on the cards that it is printed on. It has the potential to be amazing but at the same time it could also just be "not bad".

[EVO KAI]

I'd love to see white do stuff beyond Weenie Rush or a splash in Control decks.


Agreed, I do hope white gets some tricks as well. By that, I mean the ability to play it by itself competitively and not just in winnie form too.

I really want to start playing strong solid white again.

[a-slice-of-cake]

If the Landfall cards have insanely high mana costs (6-8 area), then they won't be so bad because at that point, you shouldn't be dropping land every turn.

It certainly is a cool ability, if for no other reason than Blue has a tough time dealing with uncounterable stuff like Land. Though I bet we'll see some triggered-ability hate because of it.

[pat460]

Landfall's power will depend entirely on the cards that it is printed on. It has the potential to be amazing but at the same time it could also just be "not bad".

"Not bad" cards can be really good for limited sometimes though. That would be ideal for me, a not bad card, because then legacy doesn't have to ban fastbond type cards, and we get a fun mechanic.

[Mage Master]

I could see like an Elf maybe having Landfall where it adds G to your manapool or something. That'd be pretty cool while not being too over the top.

[EVO KAI]

Yeah, lot's of possibilities.

When do they start doing spoilers on the wizards site, like they did for M10?

[Mage Master]

Spoilers are usually two weeks before the set comes out I believe so we still have a bit of a wait.

['Heroic']

needs less elves. I think it's about time we say goodbye to Elves.

But LandFall does seem rather interesting. I hope it is usable in Standard. Think the rest will be just as powerful as the Rhino, or hosed down?

[EVO KAI]

Spoilers are usually two weeks before the set comes out I believe so we still have a bit of a wait.


Ahh, thanks.

I do hope there more leaked ones though...this set certainly looks to be one full of surprises.

[Mage Master]

But LandFall does seem rather interesting. I hope it is usable in Standard. Think the rest will be just as powerful as the Rhino, or hosed down?
I dunno, all I'm good for is Legacy apparently...........











I'm just messing, I honestly don't know. It really could go either way and I'm sure it will vary greatly depending on the colour of the card.

['Heroic']

Haha. Red landfall could be very potent.

I mean, it should be cheaper, with any luck (it is Red), and it would in all likelihood be Burn. It would give me an excuse to run more land, and therefore, enable me to play Chandra Ablaze c:

[Firl21]

today we learn sorins type line (plainswalker sorin) bs if u ask me tell me somnthing i dont know

[LowFr3eq]

I'm pretty sure they'll spoil the 3rd line last...

[Mage Master]

I find it hard to believe that one of the lines hasn't been voted higher than what we've already had. Who exactly voted on this poll?

[a-slice-of-cake]

Well, I voted art...

Remember that all the votes were tallied before we knew anything about the guy. Sure, it seems redundant now, but it wasn't when the poll was taken.

[Mage Master]

I'd still have thought at least one line of text would have done better than this.

[Islaya]

We'll get rarity on Wednesday probably, I wonder what that will be... <_<

[Dunjohn]

I voted rarity.

Remember, we were voting blind. We were given a list of card parts and asked to pick one. We had no idea it was for a spoiler. So, I just went with a random one (maybe I was thinking what I check in a booster first).

The abilities could potentially be last. They effectively split the vote for the text box. People wouldn't have been able to coordinate, so chances are that the text lines got low votes individually, but high votes in total.

Someone already mentioned this a page or two ago, but it seems to have gotten lost; the big news is that Zendikar consists of a big set, a small set, and another big set. It's still located on Zendikar and plays well with it, but is mechanically unique and can be drafted by itself. The plane itself changes somehow. Obviously it's tied into landfall somehow. Not much to go on, but it's fascinating for a Vorthos like m'self.

[Firl21]

i voted line 3
but than again mabey there is a nother plainswalker sorin?

[a-slice-of-cake]

Whoa, whoa, hold on a sec Dun. This block is Big set-Small set-Big set??

Now that'll be nifty. I can't wait to see why, story-wise.

[Mage Master]

Could be interesting depending on what they print with the extra space.

[NoirLamia]

Indeed, according to MaRo, something so major happens in the storyline that makes this happen. He said that there will also be basic lands in Prosper and it's meant to be drafted alone.

['Heroic']

Drafted alone? That seems very interesting. That'd probably make it extremely fun as well.

[Mage Master]

That will certainly put an interesting spin on Limited.

[Dunjohn]

He said that there will also be basic lands in Prosper
Oh yeah, that's good. Eight of each type within the first block, followed by four more in M11, should ease the pressure on supply.

[pat460]

Oh yeah, that's good. Eight of each type within the first block, followed by four more in M11, should ease the pressure on supply.

Is this erious or sarcasm? I seriously can't tell.

[a-slice-of-cake]

When was the last time this happened? Ice Age -- Alliances -- Homelands?!?

[Dunjohn]

Is this erious or sarcasm? I seriously can't tell.

It was serious. I want twenty foils of that floating cups Island but I know that'll be next to impossible. But there are two sets in this block with basics, so that should ease the pressure from the people who don't mind which art they use.

Trust me, I've seen this before....

[pat460]

It was serious. I want twenty foils of that floating cups Island but I know that'll be next to impossible. But there are two sets in this block with basics, so that should ease the pressure from the people who don't mind which art they use.

Trust me, I've seen this before....

Oh, I misunderstood. Yeah thatll be cool, I also want the same island foil hehe.

[NoirLamia]

Another slow spoiler: http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=179680

Now we know the name of this gigantic angel :)