Card Destruction question

[Alex_Eagleheart]

Howdy!!

My question is, can you use Card Destruction when your oponent has less cards in his or her deck, than in his or her hand?

For Example, my oponent has 5 cards in in his hand, and only 1 reminaining in his or her deck, so i used card destruction and he drew the only card remaining and then lost the gam, this happened to me int Stardust Accelerator, but i asked a friend and he told me this was ilega, and the game was wrong, but i`m not sure, so please yf ya know, tell me how the ruling works
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[Dragoon X]

Actually, the game was right in this case. In any situation, if your opponent runs out of cards to draw from their deck through an effect or during their draw phase, they lose automatically.

[ness00]

Card Destruction is an exception. It can be activated if the opponent can't draw enough Cards.

[ATEMVEGETA]

Card Destruction is an exception. It can be activated if the opponent can't draw enough Cards.

In the TCG it can be activated. And if a player is unable to draw a card, he loses the duel.

In OCG you cannot activate Card Destruction if a player has less than 5 cards in their Deck, since the effect cannot properly resolve.

[illusionX]

In OCG you cannot activate Card Destruction if a player has less than 5 cards in their Deck, since the effect cannot properly resolve.

edit: disregard. misunderstood.

[ness00]

In the TCG it can be activated. And if a player is unable to draw a card, he loses the duel.

In OCG you cannot activate Card Destruction if a player has less than 5 cards in their Deck, since the effect cannot properly resolve.

While this is a TCG forum...

...the OCG rulings only state that you cannot activate Card Destruction if you have less Cards in your Deck than those in your Hand. You can't activate the Card just to "lose", but you can certainly defeat your opponent with it.

If I'm not mistaken, even the last 3 videogames support this. There, it's much clearer when a Card can or can't be activated.

[ATEMVEGETA]

While this is a TCG forum...

...the OCG rulings only state that you cannot activate Card Destruction if you have less Cards in your Deck than those in your Hand. You can't activate the Card just to "lose", but you can certainly defeat your opponent with it.

If I'm not mistaken, even the last 3 videogames support this. There, it's much clearer when a Card can or can't be activated.

I'm not familiar with the Japanese language so I cannot read Japanese rulings! Maybe you are right, and you cannot activate the effect if the effect cannot resolve correctly only for you, not your opponent! By the way, I hate those OCG and TCG contradictions! :mad:

[Silent Warrior]

So who can you understand if a card cannot resolve properly!

Why you can activate the card if the opponent has less cards in the Deck than those in the Hand? Isn't this a reason that Card Destruction cannot resolve properly?

I'm asking that because the number in the Hand and Deck are public known. It's not like Magician's Circle when you can't know if the opponent has a Spellcaster in the Deck.

[ness00]

I'm not familiar with the Japanese language so I cannot read Japanese rulings! Maybe you are right, and you cannot activate the effect if the effect cannot resolve correctly only for you, not your opponent! By the way, I hate those OCG and TCG contradictions! :mad:

Neither do I. I use the lame Babelfish translator and try to "match the dots" until the sentence makes sense.

It had really few rulings. The first one is the one I've mentioned. The second one is about activating Card Destruction with zero Cards in the Hand: If either player has zero Cards you can activate it, but if both have zero you can't. The third one asks if you still draw Cards if an effect Removes the discarded Cards from Play (consider Macro Cosmos), and the answer is yes.


This isn't really a contradiction between the TCG and the OCG. It's a global exception, mostly because it is a very old Card.

So who can you understand if a card cannot resolve properly!

Why you can activate the card if the opponent has less cards in the Deck than those in the Hand? Isn't this a reason that Card Destruction cannot resolve properly?

I'm asking that because the number in the Hand and Deck are public known. It's not like Magician's Circle when you can't know if the opponent has a Spellcaster in the Deck.

The rule of thumb is that you can't activate an effect if the game state knows that it will resolve without effect. The example I always use is Raigeki against an empty Field.


But as we have mentioned in this thread, Card Destruction is an exception. Again, it's most likely because an extremely old Card (Starter Deck Yugi, the Deck that began it all). Note how a Card like Hand Destruction can't be activated if both players don't have at least 2 Cards to discard and at least 2 Cards to draw.

[ATEMVEGETA]

This isn't really a contradiction between the TCG and the OCG. It's a global exception, mostly because it is a very old Card.

I'm talking about the contradiction where in TCG you can activate Card Destruction if you have less card in your hand than those in your Deck, instead of the OCG where you cannot activate Card Destruction since it cannot resolve properly.

[Deus Ex Machina]

Huh. In the OCG, apparently you can activate "Card Destruction" to make the opponent deck-out, but not yourself: http://home.att.ne.jp/moon/puppiy/rule/spell/s1/Normal_D32.htm

[Buckethead]

I'm not familiar with the Japanese language so I cannot read Japanese rulings! Maybe you are right, and you cannot activate the effect if the effect cannot resolve correctly only for you, not your opponent! By the way, I hate those OCG and TCG contradictions! :mad:

If you cannot read Japanese rulings, why post them. :\

OP; Yes, you can activate Card Destruction if your opponent doesn't have enough cards in his/her deck to draw. As soon as either play goes to draw a card, through any effect or game mechanic and cannot...they lose the game.

[ness00]

I'm talking about the contradiction where in TCG you can activate Card Destruction if you have less card in your hand than those in your Deck, instead of the OCG where you cannot activate Card Destruction since it cannot resolve properly.

I can't find any TCG ruling that allows you to "kill yourself" with Card Destruction.

By logic, you would rule that you can't you can't "kill" any player with Card Destruction. The exception is only for the opponent, so it doesn't allow you to lose with Card Destruction.

[Buckethead]

I can't find any TCG ruling that allows you to "kill yourself" with Card Destruction.

By logic, you would rule that you can't you can't "kill" any player with Card Destruction. The exception is only for the opponent, so it doesn't allow you to lose with Card Destruction.

You are correct Ness. You cannot force yourself to directly lose the game by ANY means or effect. I mean, you can't activate Brain Control or Premature Burial if you have 800LP or less..Same thing applies to drawing cards/decking out.

[Arcane_Fox]

You are correct Ness. You cannot force yourself to directly lose the game by ANY means or effect. I mean, you can't activate Brain Control or Premature Burial if you have 800LP or less..Same thing applies to drawing cards/decking out.

I'm pretty sure you can use brain or premature if you have EXACTLY 800 LP, the reason you can't do it if you have less is because you can't pay the cost, not because you'd kill yourself.

[Ridders]

I'm pretty sure you can use brain or premature if you have EXACTLY 800 LP, the reason you can't do it if you have less is because you can't pay the cost, not because you'd kill yourself.

Incorrect.

You cannot pay yourself to 0 LP. That would mean you lose to a cost and that's impossible.

You either have 801+ LP to pay for it or you don't and cannot pay for it.

[ness00]

*Hopes that no one finds the Lily ruling that doesn't make sense and doesn't apply to the TCG anyway*


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*Now is sure that someone would look it up and start a thread at Gossip complaining how you can't kill yourself with Lily in the TCG*

[ATEMVEGETA]

If you cannot read Japanese rulings, why post them. :\

I can't find any TCG ruling that allows you to "kill yourself" with Card Destruction.

By logic, you would rule that you can't you can't "kill" any player with Card Destruction. The exception is only for the opponent, so it doesn't allow you to lose with Card Destruction.

"Machina" can read the Japanese rulings, and he is 1 of the best judges I know! Those aren't my words but his! See here: http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Forum:Deck_out

Since I cannot read the Japanese rulings, and since I can't find either a TCG ruling that contradicts that, I have no reason to disagree with what "Machina" said there!

[ness00]

Whether Deus has found a bizarre TCG ruling or he made a mistake, only he would know that. Wait until he arrives.

[Deus Ex Machina]

I was wrong.

For the TCG part, that's how I assume it works in the TCG. I must be mistaken.

For the OCG part, I probably only looked at the Japanese Wiki, after finding nothing on the Konami FAQ. There, it only mentions that your cannot activate "Card Destruction" if you have no hand, but it doesn't mention the opponent. I probably extrapolated from that.

Sorry for any confusion.

[ATEMVEGETA]

I was wrong.

For the TCG part, that's how I assume it works in the TCG. I must be mistaken.

For the OCG part, I probably only looked at the Japanese Wiki, after finding nothing on the Konami FAQ. There, it only mentions that your cannot activate "Card Destruction" if you have no hand, but it doesn't mention the opponent. I probably extrapolated from that.

Sorry for any confusion.

Oh! Ok then! It makes sense now! Thanks "Machina" for the help!