SSBM Discussion Part 3!

[GigaKabuterimon GTM]

-_- Keep the good language in this one.

Part 1 reached 222 replies.
Part 2 reached 71 replies... and was put to sleep by a poster with strong language...

Anyone could make part 4 if you want when this dies.

To start some random discussion:

Who thinks Yoshi's Grab should've been MUCH BETTER?

Slow, laggy
Can't grab aerialists
Although good range, still less than Links, Samus, Roy and Marth.

[Chaliou]

I don't use Yoshi, although computer-controlled Yoshi uses his grab even more than the other characters do. Since no one's grabs compare to Mewtwo's, I don't really pay much attention to them...

Marth is my character and I seldom grab with him.

[SpringChocobo]

Bowsers the one who can grab, throw, fight, and he actually is pretty darn fast! For the fifth time, you guys REALLY need to give him a shot!

[Chaliou]

It's hard to shift to Bowser from any other character. One either needs to concentrate on him alone or not bother. I can't abide his slowness myself. Once you've mastered someone like Marth or Samus, it's hard to downgrade in speed, much harder than downgrading in power.

[akiragale_532]

I don't use Yoshi
Who does???? I don't Link and Zelda/Shiek are my characters or Kirby but anyone can be really good with the pink marshmallow.......anyway yes they could ahve made Yoshi's grab ALOT better and gave him some better moves maybe that way more people would play with him

[Redshift]

Revere me...for I have not only gotten the Mew Trophy today, but I also got him by beating All-Star on Very Hard...boo ya to me...lol

Now only 1 friggin trophy left...Tom Nook.

[c-106mc]

What is Wall of Pain? :confused:
What is the Infinite Shine combo? :confused:
Sorry for asking dumb questions.

[Decay]

Bowsers the one who can grab, throw, fight, and he actually is pretty darn fast! For the fifth time, you guys REALLY need to give him a shot!


Not if you are playing against an actual good player. Seriously dude, I have fought against a decent player's Bowser before and ended up going flawless victory style (not getting hurt once).

Bowser is the suck.

[Busterslash35]

What is Wall of Pain? :confused:
What is the Infinite Shine combo? :confused:
Sorry for asking dumb questions.
WoP: Use Jiggy. Then refer to GTM's instructions below.

Infinite Shine...: As said in the other topic, use Fox. Then Shine, WD forward, SHFFL'd Dair, Shine, repeat. If your opponent is against a wall, Shine, WD down, Shine, repeat.

[GigaKabuterimon GTM]

o_O Bowser overall is faster than Samus, who is faster than Link.

Wall of Pain is using Jiggs awesome aerial maneuverability (she's faster in the air than running) to dish out attacks. Usually it involves Jumping in, doing a back air, then drift back out to avoid a countr attack. It is dont many times over a nd over. You can add neutral, forward, and pound aerials to mix it up a little.

Marth's grab is awesome. Use it.


BTW, who wants to call Part 4 for when this is locked?

[SpringChocobo]

Link is EXTREMELY slow. I don't know why.

[Chaliou]

I imagine it's because he's carrying a shield, a sword, bombs, a boomerang, a bow, arrows, and a hookshot. Plus, those leather boots are probably heavy enough on their own.

[SpringChocobo]

I remember this Event Match with a character called "Giga Bowser". The way he looked scared the crap out of me, because he didn't look like normal Bowser. This just now popped up in my head, so don't bash me for not looking myself, but what did he look like? I'm at my Grandmothers, so I can't play right now.

[Busterslash35]

Link is slow to balance out his power. Imagine if you were to go at Marth-speed with Link. o.O

Anywho, I think having an SSBM Discussion Part 3 is pushing it, I wouldn't be surprised when some n00b or stupid flame war gets this topic closed and everyone in this topic gets warned. Let's hope it doesn't reach that point, shall we?

[c-106mc]

Infinite Shine...: As said in the other topic, use Fox. Then Shine, WD forward, SHFFL'd Dair, Shine, repeat. If your opponent is against a wall, Shine, WD down, Shine, repeat.

Could you explain this in depth, I don't understand what you're saying. :confused:

[Vicious (Fost)]

To explain Link and Young Link, anyone who played Zelda games can see the why their is a big diffence between them.

Swords:
Young Link is using his starter sword (forgot where from). Link is using the Master Sword, the final sword you use to kill the final boss, that explains the power difference. Also the Master Sword is heavier, and Link isn't as young as he used to be. Plus as you notice from his taunt, he stopped drinking his mouth. Heavy equip + brittle bones + old age = slow Link.

Items:
Link got Light Arrows (the final and ultimate arrows) and Y Link uses fire arrows (not as good). Link has a bigger booms, more muscles for longer and harder boomerang attacks, better bombs, and a longer hook shot. Again more weight, slower, but harder to lauch... though can't get as far with his up + b as young link can.

But Link is still good, I prefer Young Link though cause this kid can move. With either I rarily use my sword, I juggle foes with long range atks then bounce them around with my sword later.

Bowser:
Does not suck.
He actually can own.
If he hits you, it hurts worse than Gannondorf.
Easily launches you.

I've seen many reviews on bowser, you should see them. He's insane. If you noticed, some of his smash attacks and his forward + A Atk quickly pulls him back a bit so he can dodge an attack and counter. Plus if some one charges you, you can jump in a special way getting rid of the 1/3 of a second delay of your fire breath and stop your foe then counter atk. Plus you can always jump back and counter atk from the air. If Bowser hits you with his up + b attack while in the air, it can give high damage (up to 50% I believe). There are many combos involving him. If you're saying bowser or that any character sucks, you obviously haven't met the right player that knows how to use him.

I love using all versions of Link, Zelda (not shiek), Gannondorf, Captain Falcon, Falco, Kirby, Samsus, Pikachu, Dr. Mario (he reminds me of a character from the Matrix when he's in his black suit), Mewtwo, and one of the best of all... Mr. Game & Watch. Mr. Game & Watch is so sick and wrong. I used to think he sucked when I first started playing this game... I was so wrong.

[Busterslash35]

I remember this Event Match with a character called "Giga Bowser". The way he looked scared the crap out of me, because he didn't look like normal Bowser. This just now popped up in my head, so don't bash me for not looking myself, but what did he look like? I'm at my Grandmothers, so I can't play right now.
He looked like a Bowser. Except Giga. XP
Could you explain this in depth, I don't understand what you're saying.
Use Fox.
Shine.
Wavedash(Short Hop then immediately Airdodge diagonally down to create a sliding effect, best seen with Luigi via Final Destination) forward.
Short Hop Fast Fall and L-Cancel (hitting L or R ight when you land form an aerial A attack to reduce lag) Fox's aerial down a (A.K.A. Dair, as in Down-aerial).
Shine. Repeat.

If your opponent is against a wall:
Shine.
Wavedash down.
Shine.
Repeat.

And for Vicious (Fost):
Pichu 5uxx0rz. Period. I *think* that Pictish Freak is one of the only people getting him/her/it up to tourney level. But that's only one out of many, many Smashers.

[Kuiper]

Perhaps this (http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?threadid=24706) may help some of you.

[Decay]

Bowser:
Does not suck.
He actually can own.
If he hits you, it hurts worse than Gannondorf.
Easily launches you.



Yeah, that's a big "if" there. Good luck ever touching me using Bowser. It just won't happen.

I call Part 4!

And for Vicious (Fost):
Pichu 5uxx0rz. Period. I *think* that Pictish Freak is one of the only people getting him/her/it up to tourney level. But that's only one out of many, many Smashers.

I can pwn with Pichu. Like I said before, I'll have videos of me playing up shortly...probably after my Smash trip up to Rochester NY.

[Redshift]

BTW, who wants to call Part 4 for when this is locked?

PM me when it does and I'll do it, but I won't if I will have a moderator on my tail.

Anyway, anyone here use Mewtwo? My best is Shiek but I'm decent with the genetic psychopathic feline villain as well.

Plus I have another question: In all my years of SSBM playing, I've never seen this happen but I was playing with Peach and I use her Vegetable attack, and she pulls out Mr. Saturn instead...wtf? I assume that is supposed to happen but wtf??

[GigaKabuterimon GTM]

Yes, 1/100 chance for Nonturnip. Most common is Mr. Saturn, then Bob-omb, then Beam Sword.

Decay already called it.

[Busterslash35]

I can pwn with Pichu. Like I said before, I'll have videos of me playing up shortly...probably after my Smash trip up to Rochester NY.
I stand corrected then.
Yes, 1/100 chance for Nonturnip. Most common is Mr. Saturn, then Bob-omb, then Beam Sword.
Hmm, I read it was 1/300 chance for a nonturnip, or was that for Bob-ombs? I dunno, I never use Peach anyway..

I don't use Mewtwo, as I have no experience with him whatsoever. Well maybe just a tad bit, but if I tried to use him, I'd get pwn'd in like 3 seconds. >_>;;

[RobbieBond008]

I can see someone pwning with Pichu, his electric attacks are extremely strong and the small recoil could be worth it. He's kinda quick, but light. THe Quick Attack should be able to get him back to the field. In my opinion, there are much worse characters than Pichu. Bowser, Yoshi, and Ice Climbers, I think are worse (but that's just me ;)).

[Busterslash35]

I can see someone pwning with Pichu, his electric attacks are extremely strong and the small recoil could be worth it. He's kinda quick, but light. THe Quick Attack should be able to get him back to the field. In my opinion, there are much worse characters than Pichu. Bowser, Yoshi, and Ice Climbers, I think are worse (but that's just me ;)).
Pichu's damaging him/her/itself is a bad thing, though its better moves don't involve damging itself, IIRC some of his aerials. Its lightness is a bad thing as it can get KO'ed easier. Ice Climbers are actually pretty decent compared to Pichu. Once again, let me provide

The [Tier] List(updated):
Top
Shiek
Fox
Marth

Upper
Falco
Peach
Captain Falcon
Samus
Jigglypuff

High
Gannondorf
Mario
Dr. Mario
Luigi

Mid
Link
Pikachu
Ice Climbers
Roy
Zelda
Young Link
Yoshi

Lower
Ness
Donkey Kong
Kirby
Mr. Game and Watch
Mewtwo

Bottom
Bowser
Pichu
-taken from SWF.

[Chaliou]

I use Mewtwo from time to time. He's SO much fun to play. Everything he does is graceful, and his tosses are the best in the game. He's unwieldy, though. The swordsmen tend to cut him up.

[XxSilver3xodiacxX]

Whoa, don't go bashing Bowser. He may be slow, but otherwise, he's pretty good.

[GigaKabuterimon GTM]

IC= Best. Grab Combos. EVAR.

[Busterslash35]

IC= Best. Grab Combos. EVAR.
That's including the Freeze glitch, right? Because no grab combo's complete w/o freezing your opponent in place. =D

</half-joking>

Bowser Train!!

>_>;;

[GigaKabuterimon GTM]

With the freeze glitch or no, IC's throws are killer.

[Redshift]

Pichu's damaging him/her/itself is a bad thing, though its better moves don't involve damging itself, IIRC some of his aerials. Its lightness is a bad thing as it can get KO'ed easier. Ice Climbers are actually pretty decent compared to Pichu. Once again, let me provide

The [Tier] List(updated):
Top
Shiek
Fox
Marth

Upper
Falco
Peach
Captain Falcon
Samus
Jigglypuff

High
Gannondorf
Mario
Dr. Mario
Luigi

Mid
Link
Pikachu
Ice Climbers
Roy
Zelda
Young Link
Yoshi

Lower
Ness
Donkey Kong
Kirby
Mr. Game and Watch
Mewtwo

Bottom
Bowser
Pichu
-taken from SWF.

I have to disagree with this list, because as I said, I'm pretty vicious with Mewtwo. The Fire Emblem duo aren't very good in my hands...sad. Oh well, Shiek still owns the game.

[Kuiper]

I have to disagree with this list, because as I said, I'm pretty vicious with Mewtwo. The Fire Emblem duo aren't very good in my hands...sad. Oh well, Shiek still owns the game.
It is THE list, show the world your Mewtwo abilities, and perhaps things may change.

[Decay]

I have to disagree with this list, because as I said, I'm pretty vicious with Mewtwo. The Fire Emblem duo aren't very good in my hands...sad. Oh well, Shiek still owns the game.

It doesn't really matter what you think...it is "the" list...

Show me the best Mewtwo player in the world facing the best Marth in the world and I wonder who will win? :rolleyes:

[Redshift]

If they had a new Super Smash Bros. game, here is what they should put in it:

Characters
Male Wire Frame
Female Wire Frame
Deoxys (from Pokemon)
Dixie Kong
Captain Olimar
Meta-Knight
Space Pirate or Metroid or Ridley (Ridley/Meta Ridley would be easiest to do)
Giga Bowser (maybe have a in-game option that lets you turn Bowser into GB).
King Boo
Fire Emblem guy (Shown here (http://www.gamespot.com/gamecube/rpg/fireemblemtracesoftheblueflame/screens.html?page=1)).

Items
Master Ball (really rare like Hearts, only has legendary pkmn)
Spiny Shell (zooms off and hits whoever is winning, explodes when hits)
Item Box (from Mario Kart, plays like a capsule)
Pellets (from Pikmin, heals)
Pow Boxes (these are the boxes from the Mushroom Kingdom stage in the SSB 64 game. Hit them and anyone touching the ground will be hurt).

Pokemon (from Pokeballs)
Jirachi (same as Mew/Celebi, hidden pkmn, Jirachi Catcher bonus)
All legendary pkmn from Ruby/Sapphire (Latias/Latios, etc.)
Ditto (transforms into player and fights as partner, like IC)
Starters from Ruby/Sapphire.

Stages
Artifact Temple (Metroid Prime)

[SpringChocobo]

Whoa, don't go bashing Bowser. He may be slow, but otherwise, he's pretty good.

You're exactly right. If you learn to master him, you can do pretty good. And if you disagree, I'll tell you a little story from just TWO WEEKS ago when I won a SSBM contest at my local game retailer with...guess who?......BOWSER! Thats right you idiot! I kicked Marth or Roy or Links sorry little arse with BOWSER and won First Place! Okay I'll calm down. But I've said it a million times and just one more to go. Bowser IS VERY good.

Alright I'm done.

[PhazonElite]

You're exactly right. If you learn to master him, you can do pretty good. And if you disagree, I'll tell you a little story from just TWO WEEKS ago when I won a SSBM contest at my local game retailer with...guess who?......BOWSER! Thats right you idiot! I kicked Marth or Roy or Links sorry little arse with BOWSER and won First Place! Okay I'll calm down. But I've said it a million times and just one more to go. Bowser IS VERY good.

Alright I'm done.
If you defeated a marth player with bowser, then they are obv~ a newbie. No offense, but seriously, bowser is crap. I guarantee that if you played someone with equal skills as yourself, that also used marth, you would loose the majority of the time.
I'm not flaming you, so don't take it personally.

No one can disagree with THE list, as it IS correct.
Facts > Limited, Biased Experiences

[Busterslash35]

You're exactly right. If you learn to master him, you can do pretty good. And if you disagree, I'll tell you a little story from just TWO WEEKS ago when I won a SSBM contest at my local game retailer with...guess who?......BOWSER! Thats right you idiot! I kicked Marth or Roy or Links sorry little arse with BOWSER and won First Place! Okay I'll calm down. But I've said it a million times and just one more to go. Bowser IS VERY good.

Alright I'm done.
If that's the case, then obviously your skills weren't equal, yours being better than his/hers. If an experienced Marth went against a Bowser with the same experience, the Marth would come out on top. Bowser can be okay, but just by winning a local tourney doesn't mean anything.

[Rentazilla]

If they had a new Super Smash Bros. game, here is what they should put in it:

Characters
Male Wire Frame
Female Wire Frame
Deoxys (from Pokemon)
Dixie Kong
Captain Olimar
Meta-Knight
Space Pirate or Metroid or Ridley (Ridley/Meta Ridley would be easiest to do)
Giga Bowser (maybe have a in-game option that lets you turn Bowser into GB).
King Boo
Fire Emblem guy (Shown here (http://www.gamespot.com/gamecube/rpg/fireemblemtracesoftheblueflame/screens.html?page=1)).

Items
Master Ball (really rare like Hearts, only has legendary pkmn)
Spiny Shell (zooms off and hits whoever is winning, explodes when hits)
Item Box (from Mario Kart, plays like a capsule)
Pellets (from Pikmin, heals)
Pow Boxes (these are the boxes from the Mushroom Kingdom stage in the SSB 64 game. Hit them and anyone touching the ground will be hurt).

Pokemon (from Pokeballs)
Jirachi (same as Mew/Celebi, hidden pkmn, Jirachi Catcher bonus)
All legendary pkmn from Ruby/Sapphire (Latias/Latios, etc.)
Ditto (transforms into player and fights as partner, like IC)
Starters from Ruby/Sapphire.

Stages
Artifact Temple (Metroid Prime)
That sounds like a good idea. And for once, someone is picking characters that were made by Nintendo and HAL and not by Capcom, Squaresoft, etc.

[Vicious (Fost)]

If you defeated a marth player with bowser, then they are obv~ a newbie. No offense, but seriously, bowser is crap. I guarantee that if you played someone with equal skills as yourself, that also used marth, you would loose the majority of the time.
I'm not flaming you, so don't take it personally.

No one can disagree with THE list, as it IS correct.
Facts > Limited, Biased Experiences


If your bashing on Bowser, perhaps you should reconsider your own ranking for the fact that bowser is crap is a newbish idea. The list is wrong. In my list there is no top tier. Once you play with the chars and get to know their moves (their form, timing, etc), you can see that each one has the potential to own. I can't use Ness very well (stupid up + B won't work for me, hard to hit self in the right way when falling fast, otherwise I rock with him on ground and some what in air). I just learned something in smash bros, I've been doing it since day one but never payed much attention to it. You can aim your attacks, so their isn't just a forward smash or forward heavy attack, but a diagonal up and diagonal down versions too, I noticed it more when I used Kirby and I saw that I kicked a bit higher that normal. This was quite a break through for me cause I know no longer have to use Zelda's stupid tilt down + a attack. I can just diagonally tilt down + foward + A and slash the floor with her magic and kill my opponents.

The point I'm trying to make is that you can only rank chars based on your performance, your best may be someone elses worse cause of your limited ability to use that char. I know some sick Bowser and Mewtwo players that can own some sick Shiek and Fox players.

Bowser side note: One of Bowser's best ability is to counter. His offense is his defense till you get to a certain damage and altitude. Bowser's counter is better than Marth's and Roys cause it leaves no after delay for him to get hit, plus it does more damage. Bowser doesn't have a problem with fast people cause he can stop them in their tracks. Why for this reason he likes fast people cause they're easier to lauch and stop dead in their tracks. If you have no clue what I'm talking about, maybe its because you know nothing of Bowser's potential and haven't be paying attention to other Bowser players.

[Busterslash35]

If your bashing on Bowser, perhaps you should reconsider your own ranking for the fact that bowser is crap is a newbish idea.
Agreeable.

The list is wrong. In my list there is no top tier.
That's great that you have your own list, but that is The List. It can't be wrong because it's just an opinion (that is highly accurate and accepted by a vast majority of players) based on a lot of stats and match results. So while it may not be perfect, it is definitely highly accurate.

I just learned something in smash bros, I've been doing it since day one but never payed much attention to it. You can aim your attacks, so their isn't just a forward smash or forward heavy attack, but a diagonal up and diagonal down versions too, I noticed it more when I used Kirby and I saw that I kicked a bit higher that normal. This was quite a break through for me cause I know no longer have to use Zelda's stupid tilt down + a attack. I can just diagonally tilt down + foward + A and slash the floor with her magic and kill my opponents.

The point I'm trying to make is that you can only rank chars based on your performance, your best may be someone elses worse cause of your limited ability to use that char.
Wait, you made your point about how good a character is in the right hands by telling about how you just found out that you could aim attacks? o_O While it is true that your best may be someone elses worst, that still doesn't change the fact The List is based on statistics and player matches. Sure, you may have an 00ber 1337 pwning Bowser, but overall, it doesn't get very high on the list for a reason.

I know some sick Bowser and Mewtwo players that can own some sick Shiek and Fox players.
My Marth can get pwn'd by my friend's Peach occasionally and vice versa. Mind games, I tell you.

Bowser side note: One of Bowser's best ability is to counter. His offense is his defense till you get to a certain damage and altitude. Bowser's counter is better than Marth's and Roys cause it leaves no after delay for him to get hit, plus it does more damage. Bowser doesn't have a problem with fast people cause he can stop them in their tracks. Why for this reason he likes fast people cause they're easier to lauch and stop dead in their tracks.
Disjointed hitboxes make it a tad difficult to stop in their tracks seeing as Bowser is a hands-on guy.

If you have no clue what I'm talking about, maybe its because you know nothing of Bowser's potential and haven't be paying attention to other Bowser players.
I do have a clue what you are talking about and I do know of Bowser's potential, but you can't get away from the fact that overall, Bowser just isn't one of the best characters.

[Decay]

I do have a clue what you are talking about and I do know of Bowser's potential, but you can't get away from the fact that overall, Bowser just isn't one of the best characters.

In fact, he's one of the worst....

[c-106mc]

I beat The Showdown with Jiggy, Luigi, Dr. Mario, Roy, Falco, Fox, Mr. Game & Watch, Mario, Mewtwo. I feel happy. :D Did anyone else try it with other characters?

[PhazonElite]

If your bashing on Bowser, perhaps you should reconsider your own ranking for the fact that bowser is crap is a newbish idea. The list is wrong. In my list there is no top tier.

The problem is, it's your opinion against that of many, many others. Since the list is based on such a large amount of opinions, we should actually think of it as fact.

Also, how can you have no top tier in your list? That's implying that the majority of characters have equal potential, which is simply not true. Even within the top tier of the official list, shiek tends to be better than fox, and fox slightly better than marth; all three of which are superior to falco by a larger margin than each other. The only reason they are grouped together is that their potential is on similar levels, not identical. You may be great with a certain character, but that doesn't change the fact that statistically, bowser is a very poor character compared to the others (with the exception of pichu).
What I said is not a "newbish" idea, it's fact.

As I stated earlier...
Facts > Limited, Biased Experiences

[Busterslash35]

I beat The Showdown with Jiggy, Luigi, Dr. Mario, Roy, Falco, Fox, Mr. Game & Watch, Mario, Mewtwo and I might have done it with Pichu. I feel happy. :D Did anyone else try it with other characters?
Congrats. I haven't done it with anyone else but Jiggy, nor tried with anyone else. I'm only average at Smash, *sigh*.

[SpringChocobo]

I think that in addition to Bowser, I also like Mewtwo. Why do I like all the characters that nobody else likes?

[NarutoKun128]

Has anyone ever beaten Adventure Hard Mode? I'm trying to get a Giga Bowser trophy but I can't seem to beat it. If anyone has, please tell me which character should I use and and tips for beating it.

[[Pker] Blue]

I almost beat Adventure Hard Mode like 20 times, but each time, no matter how many lives I have, I lose to Giga Bowser. Any advice on beating him? He is like impossible.

[Busterslash35]

Blue']I almost beat Adventure Hard Mode like 20 times, but each time, no matter how many lives I have, I lose to Giga Bowser. Any advice on beating him? He is like impossible.
Use his size against him. Use a fast character as well. If you have projectiles, SPAM those, if you have disjointed hitboxes, use that I guess, but just keep pluggin' away at him and then Smash him off the screen.

[Decay]

Don't forget you have to clear the Adventure Mode Hard in under 18 minutes to be able to fight Giga Bowser to being with.

[c-106mc]

I also done it with Pichu, Samus and DK(record time: 2:38:03). :D I think I'm getting better.

EDIT: I just did it with Marth, Pikachu and Ness.

[Redshift]

Has anyone ever beaten Adventure Hard Mode? I'm trying to get a Giga Bowser trophy but I can't seem to beat it. If anyone has, please tell me which character should I use and and tips for beating it.

You can still fight Giga Bowser and get the trophy on Normal Mode if it makes it easier for you; it does NOT have to be on Hard Mode. You just cannot use a Continue or take too long.

I've beaten all three modes on Very Hard...even All-Star.

I beat The Showdown with Fox but I have yet to beat it without losing a life.

[RobbieBond008]

I don't know about Giga Bowser in Adv. Mode, but here's a trick to use to beat the event. Use Peach. Move to the edge of the platform and the three characters will follow you. Double jump as high as you can and float. You should be a little bit above Bowser's head. Now use B Up to do her umbrella move. Go over the three character's heads and onto the other side of the stage. Keep doing this, and sometimes an item will fall right near you. Take a Pokeball, a red/green shell, Party Ball and hurl it, temporarily harming them and doing damage. Then, continue floating damage-less, until you see another item. Use a Kirby Star for the knock out punch. Since your not walking, hurl a motion sensor or let those Bob-ombs roll. It might take a while (10 minutes, or so), but it works, trust me.

[Redshift]

I use a similar strategy using Fox. Jump to the edge of the stage and use B+Up to burn right through Giga Bowser. Rinse and Repeat until you damage him enough to KO him with an upward Smash Attack (C-Stick+Up). As for Ganandorf and Mewtwo, they are pretty easy to deal with once Giga Bowser is gone. You still need to be careful though, and use items when they appear like Warp-Stars and Motion-Sensor Bombs.

[SpringChocobo]

How do you GET to Giga Bowser? Was it some sort of Event Match?

[Busterslash35]

Adventure Mode on Normal or higher w/o Continuing I believe and under a certain time limit.

[Shiek]

Pichu's damaging him/her/itself is a bad thing, though its better moves don't involve damging itself, IIRC some of his aerials. Its lightness is a bad thing as it can get KO'ed easier. Ice Climbers are actually pretty decent compared to Pichu. Once again, let me provide

The [Tier] List(updated):
Top
Shiek
Fox
Marth

Upper
Falco
Peach
Captain Falcon
Samus
Jigglypuff

High
Gannondorf
Mario
Dr. Mario
Luigi

Mid
Link
Pikachu
Ice Climbers
Roy
Zelda
Young Link
Yoshi

Lower
Ness
Donkey Kong
Kirby
Mr. Game and Watch
Mewtwo

Bottom
Bowser
Pichu
-taken from SWF.

I hate to say it but "The List" is pretty crapppy. Who made it up anyway?

[Busterslash35]

I hate to say it but "The List" is pretty crapppy. Who made it up anyway?
Don't just say "so-and-so is crappy", explain why it is "crapppy," else it is actually very accurate. It was carefully thought out based on the game stats of each character, actual player matches of characters, and how each one fares against another. It was discussed, made, and agreed upon by many a Smash player.

[RobbieBond008]

Someone asked how to get to Giga Bowser, you can also face him in event #51, the Showdown, which requires beating all previous fifty events first.

As for the list, I find it pretty agreeable with. I'd find it interesting to run a gamecube all night, have to level nine cpus play each other in a no-time-limit melee and see who has more KO's. Would be interesting, but that may be how the list does it. I dunno...

On another note, as for new characters (in Super Smash Bros. 3) here are my picks:

Wario (primarily a Mario clone)
Daisy (primarily a Peach clone)
Maybe a Koopa Kid (Lemmy, Wendy, Iggy etc.)
King K. Rool
Donkey Kong Jr. (from Mario Tennis)
Metaknight
Maybe King Dedede, but I can't think of moves
Meowth
Kraid (maybe? Probably too big though)
Megaman (maybe)

The following won't happen, because Nintendo won't side with Sega, but I'd love to see Sonic, Tails, Knuckles, and Shadow.

That's all from here.

[Busterslash35]

As for the list, I find it pretty agreeable with. I'd find it interesting to run a gamecube all night, have to level nine cpus play each other in a no-time-limit melee and see who has more KO's. Would be interesting, but that may be how the list does it. I dunno...
Doesn't work that way. CPUs are naturally stupid when it comes to advanced tactics. Plus, only 3 CPUs can fight at a time, because you would take up the 4th player slot. =/

[GigaKabuterimon GTM]

Misconception: A Marth VS a Bowser of Equal Skill: Marth Wins because he's higher on the list.

Real Story: A Marth VS Bowser played at the HIGHEST level of play: Marth has a HIGHER CHANCE of winning due to advantages over the other.

The Tier List CAN be disagreeable. As long as you have a good argument for why a certain character can be higher/lower, tell the MBR >_>

For example, I think ICs should be higher. The main Cons are range and stupid Nana AI. But they have insane grab combos, power, speed...

[Redshift]

Wario (primarily a Mario clone)
Daisy (primarily a Peach clone)
Maybe a Koopa Kid (Lemmy, Wendy, Iggy etc.)
King K. Rool
Donkey Kong Jr. (from Mario Tennis)
Metaknight
Maybe King Dedede, but I can't think of moves
Meowth
Kraid (maybe? Probably too big though)
Megaman (maybe)

The following won't happen, because Nintendo won't side with Sega, but I'd love to see Sonic, Tails, Knuckles, and Shadow.

That's all from here.

Come now, don't you think Deoxys (Pokémon) is a good pick?

By the way I have a question about Celebi in SSBM. Is it true that very rarely he releases a bunch of Poké Balls instead of just fly away? I also heard the Poké Balls have Legandary Pokémon.

[RobbieBond008]

I think Deoxys will be okay (as a Mewtwo clone), but I think there more apt to pick Meowth for its "popularity".

As for Celebi throwing Pokeballs containing Legendaries, no, I haven't heard that but I haven't seen Celebi yet. I just unlocked Final Destination and Kirby N64 (I had trouble wall jumping with Young Link), so I haven't seen him (yet.) I'm gonna set up a match with Pokeballs on high to see him right now, and I'm gonna search online to check.

(NOTE: If you go to gamespot.com and then click on cheats, you can find some good "unofficial info on Super Smash Bros. Ever heard of Goldeen's one hit KO move?)

[Redshift]

I think Deoxys will be okay (as a Mewtwo clone), but I think there more apt to pick Meowth for its "popularity".

As for Celebi throwing Pokeballs containing Legendaries, no, I haven't heard that but I haven't seen Celebi yet. I just unlocked Final Destination and Kirby N64 (I had trouble wall jumping with Young Link), so I haven't seen him (yet.) I'm gonna set up a match with Pokeballs on high to see him right now, and I'm gonna search online to check.

(NOTE: If you go to gamespot.com and then click on cheats, you can find some good "unofficial info on Super Smash Bros. Ever heard of Goldeen's one hit KO move?)

Maybe Meowth would return as a Poké Ball Pokémon (he was in SSB 64 but I guess they took him out because he was too similar to Koffing).

The Celebi thing I heard from a website. I don't beleive it, because Celebi is too rare to begin with. Don't forget you need 5000 KOs still to find Celebi.

I've also heard about Goldeen's 1-hit KO but I haven't seen it.

[RobbieBond008]

Where can I find out how many KOs I have? Because I wanna find out, and I'm not sure to find it out.

[Redshift]

Where can I find out how many KOs I have? Because I wanna find out, and I'm not sure to find it out.

Main Menu --> Data --> Misc. Records (I think). If you want easy KOs, do this:

4 CPUs (Level 9)
Time Match (unlimited time)
Damage Ratio 2.0
Poké Balls Very High

Leave it on over night. Reset it when you wake up. CPU's KOs count, even if you reset a match. The KOs will rack up fast. Just do NOT play Super Sudden Death Mode.

[SpringChocobo]

I think that it would be cool if you could unlock Master Hand, but maybe not...

As for who said Daisy would be a good idea, she already is playable, just change Peaches color once.

[Kuiper]

Do you think holding L/R while the system loads or while plugging in the controller is cheating? (Also consider how easy this is to do with a Wavebird.) This makes for easier powershielding and wavedashing, but getting a larger shield and L-canceling tend to be harder (actually, the former is impossible with that button.)

I used to do this, but there's a guy in my area who complains that it isn't ethical.

[SpringChocobo]

Do you think holding L/R while the system loads or while plugging in the controller is cheating? (Also consider how easy this is to do with a Wavebird.) This makes for easier powershielding and wavedashing, but getting a larger shield and L-canceling tend to be harder (actually, the former is impossible with that button.)

I used to do this, but there's a guy in my area who complains that it isn't ethical.

All that it does is mess your game up, eventually anyways.

[Kuiper]

How does it mess up the game?

[SpringChocobo]

After you do it 12-13 times the shield keeps coming on-and-off, on-and-off every time you press A Thats all I remember about it. Haven't done it in a while, but it DOES mess it up SOMEHOW

[Busterslash35]

After you do it 12-13 times the shield keeps coming on-and-off, on-and-off every time you press A Thats all I remember about it. Haven't done it in a while, but it DOES mess it up SOMEHOW
Never heard of that, I just know that whatever you hold when the system is turned on or the buttons are reset is set as the default, and if you're in the middle of a battle, pause and set Up on the Control Stick to neutral, it makes UTilts a heck of a lot easier. >_>

[Decay]

It still alters the original state of the game, thusly, cheating.

I've done this\seen this done before.

[Redshift]

I think that it would be cool if you could unlock Master Hand, but maybe not...

As for who said Daisy would be a good idea, she already is playable, just change Peaches color once.

That would be cool, but you can't really control Master Hand and Crazy Hand like any other character. Example: you can't grab him or send him flying, or freeze him or put him to sleep. It would be very hard to make him work.

[SpringChocobo]

That would be cool, but you can't really control Master Hand and Crazy Hand like any other character. Example: you can't grab him or send him flying, or freeze him or put him to sleep. It would be very hard to make him work.

I know. It was a stupid idea. But maybe a mini version........no.

[Busterslash35]

*cough*AR to use MH and CH*cough*
And I believe that you beat them by depleting their HP, whatever you set it to using the AR.
*cough*
Movesets

Master Hand
------------
D Pad Up + A = Flaming Twirl Finger of Doom
D Pad Right + A = Flying Punch
D Pad Down + A = Slam ground
D Pad Up + B = Laser
D Pad Right + B = Gun
D Pad Up + Z = Grab
D Pad Right + Z = Grab also
D Pad Left + R = Finger Jab
D Pad Right + R = Ground Punch
D Pad Down + R = Ground Slap
D Pad Up + R = Twirly Finger into ground
D Pad Up + L = Sweep
D Pad Down + L = Walk Attack

Crazy Hand
------------
D Pad Up + A = Flying Punch
D Pad Left + A = Flaming Twirl Finger of Doom
D Pad Right + A = Slam ground
D Pad Down + A = Also Flaming Twirl Finger of Doom
D Pad Up + B = Laser
D Pad Right + B = Laser Also
D Pad Down + B = Drop Bombs
D Pad Left + B = Laser Also
D Pad Up + L = Sweep
D Pad Down + L = Spaz
D Pad Left + L = Spider
D Pad Right + L = Sweep Also
D Pad Up + R = Ground Punch
D Pad Down + R = Finger Jab
D Pad Left + R = Twirly Finger into Groun
D Pad Right + R = Slap Ground
D Pad Up + Z = Grab
D Pad Right + Z = Grab Also
D Pad Left + Z = Grab Also
(Google'd)
*cough*

[Decay]

AR SUCKS!!!!!!!!

AHhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!

[Slavik81]

It still alters the original state of the game, thusly, cheating.

I've done this\seen this done before.

Actually, its more like an exploit. Which is similar to a cheat, but... Cheating is probably the simplest way to label it.

[Busterslash35]

Actually, its more like an exploit. Which is similar to a cheat, but... Cheating is probably the simplest way to label it.
WDing is an exploit. Cheating is using an AR. I wouldn't really say that reseting the default controls is an exploit or a cheat, but it's still not very fair. I'd say it's more like repositioning the odds in your favor. o_o Which isn't right.

[Redshift]

Ok, if Decay has #4, I call starting #5.

Deoxys would be so cool...and I know for certain that if there is a SSB3, that Jirachi will be one of the Secret Pokémon. Plus a Jirachi Catcher bonus.

They should start adding unlockable items now too.

In SSBM, the 'laser-tag' credit roll would have been a perfect opportunity to add a hidden element (ex. such-and-such is unlocked by hitting 75 credits...).

[SpringChocobo]

No, not Jirachi. Not enough possible moves, that I can think of anyways. Pitt from Kid Icarus would be awesome, although he already has a trophy.

[Busterslash35]

No, not Jirachi. Not enough possible moves, that I can think of anyways.
I don't think they mean as a playable character, but as just a rare Pokeball character like Mew or Celebi that does nothing but give you a bonus at the end.

[SpringChocobo]

What would be the point? Isn't Mew enough?

[Redshift]

I don't think they mean as a playable character, but as just a rare Pokeball character like Mew or Celebi that does nothing but give you a bonus at the end.

Yea, that is exactly what I meant. Besides, Jirachi doesn't need an attack if its a secret Pokémon.

What would be the point? Isn't Mew enough?

They added Celebi, didn't they? I don't see anything wrong with adding Jirachi as a secret unlocking Pokémon. By that I mean one that pops out of a Poké Ball, not an actual playable character.

*cough* SpringChocobo *cough*

[SpringChocobo]

I don't really care about the Pokemon that don't attack, such as Mew and Celebi, but only fetch points. I can't name one hidden feature that requires a lot of points to be unlocked. Once you've got all the trophies, it doesn't really matter.

[kingN2006]

just want to know if ssbm #3 is coming out or is it just a what if thing. and if it is coming out when. thinks

[Busterslash35]

I don't really care about the Pokemon that don't attack, such as Mew and Celebi, but only fetch points. I can't name one hidden feature that requires a lot of points to be unlocked. Once you've got all the trophies, it doesn't really matter.
Diskun requires all of the bonuses, so the Celebi and mew bonuses are needed for it.

just want to know if ssbm #3 is coming out or is it just a what if thing. and if it is coming out when. thinks
It's all what-if right now. Hopefully there WILL be another SSB, but as of now, there's no news about one.

[kingN2006]

It's all what-if right now. Hopefully there WILL be another SSB, but as of now, there's no news about one.

dang. I wish thier be another ssbm and if they do I hope they have marth and mybe have more people, right now i can't think of any names

[SpringChocobo]

It'd be brilliant if they made it for the DS. Gamecube would be good, too.

[Busterslash35]

It'd be brilliant if they made it for the DS. Gamecube would be good, too.
IMO, I think that a DS screen would be too small for SSB. Imagine how small the characters would be if you played on Hyrule Temple on a DS. >.< IMO of course. I'm willing to bet the next SSB, if any, will be on the Revolution.

[kingN2006]

IMO, I think that a DS screen would be too small for SSB. Imagine how small the characters would be if you played on Hyrule Temple on a DS. >.< IMO of course. I'm willing to bet the next SSB, if any, will be on the Revolution.

it the revolution the new system they makin. and how do u know all this?

[Kuiper]

It'd be brilliant if they made it for the DS. Gamecube would be good, too.
No tilts, fewer buttons, smaller screen, less graphic capability...

[SpringChocobo]

I guess DS Smash Bros won't be a very good idea. It'd be a little stale to add the sequel to the Gamecube, so I'd say a sequel would serve best as a launch title for the Reveloution.

[RobbieBond008]

What is "Revolution"? Game Cube 2?

[SpringChocobo]

Yeah, but better. I would assume. Not much info on it.

[Busterslash35]

What is "Revolution"? Game Cube 2?
The Nintendo Revolution is the next console for Nintendo. Not Gamecube 2, Revolution.

[kingN2006]

The Nintendo Revolution is the next console for Nintendo. Not Gamecube 2, Revolution.

when is it coming out.

[Busterslash35]

Precise date isn't known yet. Should be here sometime in the future. ;p

[SpringChocobo]

Possibly in 2005. Maybe even 2006 :(

[GigaKabuterimon GTM]

I would like it to come out later than sooner. that way, Melee lasts longer.

[Decay]

I would like it to come out later than sooner. that way, Melee lasts longer.

Just cause you know that Nintendo is gonna screw it up.

The later it's scheduled for release, the worse I'm gonna bet it's going to end up.

[SpringChocobo]

Just cause you know that Nintendo is gonna screw it up.

The later it's scheduled for release, the worse I'm gonna bet it's going to end up.

A good example of that is Star Fox Adventures. It was delayed so much, it turned out awful. But not all delayed games (and systems) turn out crappy, like Paper Mario.

[kingN2006]

I would like it to come out later than sooner. that way, Melee lasts longer.

same here and I think it's gonin be better then most peps. think

[GigaKabuterimon GTM]

Duke Nukem Forever will never come ou.

[darkruler dragon]

anyway, back to SSBM

I prefer to seperate them into groups

Sword Fighters: Link, Marth, Roy & Young Link
Mario Fighters: Mario, Luigi & Dr. Mario
Special Fighters: Mewtwo, Mr. Game & Watch

etc...

I like to use the Sword Fighters, my favorite is Marth, my best is Link. I like Donkey Kong, because if he gets the lead, I can just suicide with them to win. :D

[Decay]

I like Donkey Kong, because if he gets the lead, I can just suicide with them to win. :D


Better watch out though, if you're facing someone who is familiar with that, all they have to do is wiggle the Control stick a bunch and they will break out while you fall to your monkey death.

[Vicious (Fost)]

I believe the next Zelda game my friend was telling me about was for the Revolution. Adult Link on Horse back pulling drive bys on everyone with Light Arrows... *drool*.

I still think the Light Arrows should have done more damage in SSBM, maybe 25% damage. Back to the point, the list. Yeah I know its based on the opinions of many but in my opinion you can't really rank chars in SSBM, the output of the character depends on the reflexes, strategy, processing speed, and other important qualities of skill of the player using it. I remember back in the begining when this first came out I sounded like many of you, bashing on those low ranked chars such as Pichu, Bowser, Ice Climbers, and Ness (I still can't get Nana to cooperate with Popo, so annoying). But later on everyone one I bashed someone else better then owned with. And so I started using more of these people I bashed and saw the potential not only in them but in every char in the game (especially chars with semi long range and long ranged attacks). Each one sickening in thier own ways. Plus through experiences I learned that the chars you bashed, some guy in Japan (who life is video games) will come along and kick the crap out of you with a Pichu.

But one comment on your popularity list is, you forgot to include hybrid shiek/zelda for those that interchange in the middle of a fight to meet the situation. And because I played too many Zelda games Link, Y. Link, and Gannondorf should be top tier as well as Samus, Mewtwo, and Luigi because the abilities of those characters is just plain wrong. Oh, and Falco owns Fox.

[Busterslash35]

Plus through experiences I learned that the chars you bashed, some guy in Japan (who life is video games) will come along and kick the crap out of you with a Pichu.
Azen > CJ, go America! >_>;; Okay, so that was only one tourney, but still..

But one comment on your popularity list is, you forgot to include hybrid shiek/zelda for those that interchange in the middle of a fight to meet the situation.
I assume that was taken into account. And it's not 'my' 'popularity' list.

And because I played too many Zelda games Link, Y. Link, and Gannondorf should be top tier as well as Samus, Mewtwo, and Luigi because the abilities of those characters is just plain wrong. Oh, and Falco owns Fox.
The LoZ character's speed and power is what puts them where they are (ie: Ganonsmurf is slow, but powerful, which isn't as effective on a fast comboing character, Y. Link has poor KO'ing moves, etc) and the others have their own reasons.

Oh, and Falco owns Fox.
Fox has more combo ability but Falco has the best spike. Fox has a self defense mechanism on his Up B, Falco has his SHL. Meh, either/or to me.

775th post!

[GigaKabuterimon GTM]

A Zelda+Sheik would probably be high only, Zelda would bring sheik down a little.

Of course the player it depends on. But Fox played at the highest level is better than Mewtwo, and so on...

[SpringChocobo]

I don't really like Sheiks take-on fighting method. Zeldas magic is much more powerful.

[Decay]

I don't really like Sheiks take-on fighting method. Zeldas magic is much more powerful.


Sheik pwnz Zelda in every way shape or form...except maybe recovery.

[GigaKabuterimon GTM]

But Sheik can chain attacks together the be more damaging than Zelda.

Sheik's recovery is invincible during certain frames =/

[Kuiper]

anyway, back to SSBM

I prefer to seperate them into groups

Sword Fighters: Link, Marth, Roy & Young Link

Yup, they're all about projectiles (except for the FE characters).

[kingN2006]

if they do make SSBM 3 they should put they way they entered in the first SSB, like how pikachu came out of his pokeball. that was one thing that SSb had taht SSBM did not and also the platfroms too.

[SpringChocobo]

Another thing I hate about SSBM are the clones (Star Fox and Falco, Mario and Luigi). I know they're not EXACT clones, but they do get annoying. What about creativity?

[kingN2006]

Another thing I hate about SSBM are the clones (Star Fox and Falco, Mario and Luigi). I know they're not EXACT clones, but they do get annoying. What about creativity?

u right about star fox and falco but luigi is a little bit better then mario and so I don't think their clones cuz luigi gots a little bit more attacks then mario. and who is creativity is it in the first SSb or is it on SSbM

[SpringChocobo]

u right about star fox and falco but luigi is a little bit better then mario and so I don't think their clones cuz luigi gots a little bit more attacks then mario. and who is creativity is it in the first SSb or is it on SSbM

Ummm..creativity is how advanced peoples creations are. Duplicating characters and making them sound like different characters certainly isn't very creative.

[kingN2006]

Ummm..creativity is how advanced peoples creations are. Duplicating characters and making them sound like different characters certainly isn't very creative.

don't I feel dumb. I thought u was talking bout a character, my bad. well the best clone was marth and roy. mybe link and young link in a way but then again their still about the same.

[Busterslash35]

and who is creativity is it in the first SSb or is it on SSbM
Lol..

I agree that clones aren't very creative, and hopefully, if and when the next SSB comes out with more characters, there will be a minimum amount of clones.

[kingN2006]

and another thing here's 2 characters that were better in the first SSB and suck in the 2nd one. pikachu and samus.

[Vicious (Fost)]

I think Samus and Pikachu got a bit better, not sucked... unlike what happened to Ness.

And Y. Link does have good KO moves, the spike. His man point is to overwhelm with juggling combos and rush the the purson off the screen. Not many people see the down + A spike coming when you're using it while underneither them in the air instead of above them.

The clone thing was good, somethings a charactered needed less speed and more or vice versa, but the move was okay. Don't think of it as clones but as stat rearrangement... one which Kirby could have used. I have no clue about Ganondorf though... in the Zelda games he is that powerful and not that slow.

And Zelda isn't completely dominated by Shiek. They're both light weights and Zelda has what Shiek lacks, powerful offense. A few counter attacks is all it takes for Zelda to send Shiek flying. Speed is highly overrated... except for some reason in Link... its just not the same anymore when you go from Y. Link back down to Link.

[[PK] Green]

Eh, is that tier list based on melee matches, or 1v1 combat?

I wouldn't call shiek top tier in either case, but that's just me. Even though that list is based on many opinions, I still think Mewtwo should be quite a bit higher, and Marth simply on top.

I would have to agree with Vicious (Fost) on speed being overrated though. Well, I guess with the excpetion of Captain Falcon v. Ganondorf...

[Decay]

Green']
I wouldn't call shiek top tier in either case, but that's just me. Even though that list is based on many opinions, I still think Mewtwo should be quite a bit higher, and Marth simply on top.




That's the thing, the list isn't based on opinions....it's based on fact.

[Vicious (Fost)]

Its mere opinion, not fact. The list was formed from opinion, OPINION. I could find many more to disagree with that list. In the quest for originality, you'd be the most uncanny chars with unmatchable skill.

[GigaKabuterimon GTM]

Only 2 pairs of clones are played similar: Doc + Mario, Link+Y.Link.

Tier List= Opinion BASED on FACT

[GigaKabuterimon GTM]

IIRC, Sheik and Zelda are both Middleweights, or borderline Light. They're not that light.

Y. Link's best spike is Down Tilt A =/

IMO, Samus is a LOT better in Melee. Pikachu, Ness and Kirby got slaughtered =/

[Vicious (Fost)]

Only 2 pairs of clones are played similar: Doc + Mario, Link+Y.Link.

Tier List= Opinion BASED on FACT

Clones are exact copies of eachother. There are no clones, only chars with attacks similiar to eachother with different stats. You don't play Link and Y. Link similar to eachother. Big difference in play between them.

Opinion based on experiences with characters, not fact. Its mere opinion. Popular vote. Not fact. I'd come up with an analogy but I'm lazy.

IIRC, Sheik and Zelda are both Middleweights, or borderline Light. They're not that light.

Y. Link's best spike is Down Tilt A =/

IMO, Samus is a LOT better in Melee. Pikachu, Ness and Kirby got slaughtered =/

You can launch Sheik & Zelda at 80%. They're light. Jigglypuff and Kirby (the supper lights) die at 60. Everyone else can make it to 110%+. You can kill them at lower lvls of damage (I once killed Shiek with Kirby when she only had 50%), but it depends on the power of the char killing them and what attack you use.

Pikachu wasn't that slaughtered (as Ness and Kirby was).

[After*Glow]

I do not think they slaughtered pikachu I can own with him. Pichu on the other hand is completely useless, I don't know why they put him in the game.

[SpringChocobo]

Samus has always been good. Pikachu has always sucked.

[Kuiper]

You don't play Link and Y. Link similar to eachother. Big difference in play between them.
YES OMG. LINK IS TOTALLY ABOUT PLAYING DEFENSE AND PROJECTILES AND YOUNG LINK IS ALL ABOUT OFFENSE AND SPEED.

I tend to be really sarcastic around totally ignoramuses that think they know everything.

You left out the hyphen in "each-other."

[Vicious (Fost)]

Typo/spelling error, so sue me (not to be taken literally). But there is a big difference in Y. Link and Link, at least from what I can see. I'm more evasive and offensive with Y. Link. As for Link... well he just can't make sure people don't touch the ground before dying at around 80 like Y. Link can. So a bit more defense and counter responsive. Off course, this is from playing on small boards as final destination with no items and plenty of players. Only problem is, dodging player 4's Shiek while bouncing player 2's Fox. Then things get difficult. Especially with player 3 spectating with Mewtwo while firing Shadow Balls and cheaply back throwing anyone that gets near him off the edge. And there my friends is why Link and Y. Link have Boomerangs.

[Kuiper]

Typo/spelling error, so sue me
Good idea.

Four way free-for-all matches prove nothing. Whenever I play, I always get teamed up on. I play one-on-one, stock four, eight minute time limit, no items, and on what is agreed upon as a "fair" stage. Or a massive stage with a really nice FE remix.

[New York Man]

I use Mario a lot. He is my favorite character. I also use luigi.

[GigaKabuterimon GTM]

Well they're called character clones.

Link + Y Link: Projectile Spam.

There are two things.

WEIGHT determines how far you are sent to the side.
FALLING SPEED determines how far you are sent to the top.
Zelda has a slow falling speed, but she is still a middleweight.

I use 1 on 1 for skill matches. I use 4 way FFA for fun (even though I always lose =/).

[Vicious (Fost)]

Well they're called character clones.

Link + Y Link: Projectile Spam.

There are two things.

WEIGHT determines how far you are sent to the side.
FALLING SPEED determines how far you are sent to the top.
Zelda has a slow falling speed, but she is still a middleweight.

I use 1 on 1 for skill matches. I use 4 way FFA for fun (even though I always lose =/).

Okay, I agree with you on the projectily spam. But you're supposed to fight with Link's that way. Can't be helped. Its quite funny when people insult his bombs, and don't realised that each of the 3 bombs they're juggling with their shield, does 10 damage a bomb. Meanwhile Link is closing in with his sword. :D


Four way free-for-all matches prove nothing. Whenever I play, I always get teamed up on. I play one-on-one, stock four, eight minute time limit, no items, and on what is agreed upon as a "fair" stage. Or a massive stage with a really nice FE remix.


I play 3 lives... and occassionally some jerk puts Pokeballs on very high, with mines (and Y. Link - me - grabs them all). And congradulations for you. You got teamed up on without getting a Shadow Ball in the back. I'm very happy for you. Y. Link on the other hand has to get his spinal cord replaced. All well, at least I won. 8 out of 10.

[Icecap]

Erhem. This will change all of you forever.
As I read on Gamefaqs:

All the tiers are is a listing of how good the characters are doing/how much they're used in tournaments.

You heard me. All characters are equal. I might just take up Bowser sometime.

[GigaKabuterimon GTM]

It isn't how much they're used in tournaments. Roy and Link would be top tier, and Zelda would be bottom.

[PhazonElite]

Some of you seem to take video games a bit too seriously...

[Icecap]

It isn't how much they're used in tournaments. Roy and Link would be top tier, and Zelda would be bottom.

Ach. Sorry. I'm messing up my quotes. It's actually

how well the characters are used in tournaments.

Still life-changing.

[GigaKabuterimon GTM]

Some people take other hings too seriously too. It's not just in video games.

Partially, it is tournament rankings. Marth wins more tourneys than GAW.

[Kuiper]

Some of you seem to take video games a bit too seriously...
...said the EV trainer, IV breeder.

[Decay]

All the tiers are is a listing of how good the characters are doing/how much they're used in tournaments.



Well, the GameFAQ'ers are a bunch of tards.

[GigaKabuterimon GTM]

Well, the GameFAQ'ers are a bunch of tards.

That hurts!

[NarutoKun128]

Okay, I recently got the Giga Bowser trophy. Now I'm aiming towards getting the Mew trophy.

Anyone have any good tips and which character to use in All-Star Hard Mode?

[PhazonElite]

Anyone have any good tips and which character to use in All-Star Hard Mode?
Use Marth
The terrible AI makes it easy to predict their attacks, so counter is actually useful (especially in the 1v3 battles). The left/right smash is nice, quick damage since they just walk directly towards you. Actually, you could just charge a shield breaker and let them walk into it.

Captain Falcon is a nice choice too. It's easy to hit computer players with his smash attacks, and you could always jump and charge a falcon punch in the air.

[Icecap]

Well, the GameFAQ'ers are a bunch of tards.

*thinks*
...Damn, you're right.

[kingN2006]

Some of you seem to take video games a bit too seriously...

I don't play as much as I use to, hangin around with my friends and haveing football practice.

[Vicious (Fost)]

...said the EV trainer, IV breeder.

Its the best way to win.

Some of you seem to take video games a bit too seriously...

Well besides doing other random stuff, sometimes when you're with your friends, you go inside, hook up ye ole Cube, pump up the volume, and start beating on each other in Soul Calibur II... I mean Smash Bros. CoughIvyrulescough. If only Link could wack people with the bug catcher net in Smash Bros, I'd probably almost die laughing.

[Kuiper]

Its the best way to win.



Well besides doing other random stuff, sometimes when you're with your friends, you go inside, hook up ye ole Cube, pump up the volume, and start beating on each other in Soul Calibur II... I mean Smash Bros. CoughIvyrulescough. If only Link could wack people with the bug catcher net in Smash Bros, I'd probably almost die laughing.
Woah, you play Pokemon? I'm Kikuichimonji Ronin on NetBattle and usually play on Tafop, PM me for a battle.

[Vicious (Fost)]

I'm well known for using the oobers (Mewtwo, Salamence, Flygon, etc). Its funny that no one remembers any of the originals I used. Back in the day it was Exeggcutor, Starmie, Dragonite, Mewtwo, Raichu, and Arcanine or Charizard. Now when I send out a Hyper Beaming Slaking no one remembers but as soon as I send out Salamence or Flygon I get complaints. Its not like I'm using all legendaries. Well that was back in the day when I didn't have Soul Calibur II for the Cube. I couldn't believe it, the day it hit the shelves I went to buy it... sold out. And I kept trying for it since then. They only had it for the PSII and XBox. I wanted Link damnit not those other losers. I just got the game 2 weeks ago. No more boring from my friend. :D

[GigaKabuterimon GTM]

Samus Strats. Now.

[Busterslash35]

Samus Strats. Now.
That came out of nowhere..

Missile cancel!

[Kuiper]

Abuse the cheap screw, extend the grappler, dair makes a good spike. A fully charged plasma can really make your opponent wet their pants. Missiles aren't NRG attacks, BTW.

[GigaKabuterimon GTM]

... O_O wow... er... good job...

Ganon strats. NOW!

BTW, Id rather not extend it...

[Busterslash35]

I've figured out how lv. 9 C. Falcon's AI is abusable this morning.. Shielding on the edge causes him to grab you, throw you off, then >B to his doom while you take a small bit of damage. Repeat. I know, old, but I just found out. Ganondorf's is a bit tougher, though, making him ^B to his doom.

[GigaKabuterimon GTM]

Yeah, that's shown it the "Artificial Stupidity" music video. A must download for those with DC++.

[Decay]

Yeah, that's shown it the "Artificial Stupidity" music video. A must download for those with DC++.


What's your name on the DC++?

[GigaKabuterimon GTM]

Oh, I'm rarely on, since you can't download from me anyways (firewall). But if I'm ever on, I'm GTM

[Busterslash35]

Meh, I don't do DC++.. If I did, I'd download it.

[referencing GTM's Location] And the good thing about a negative IQ is that when divided in two, it actually goes up. ;p

[GigaKabuterimon GTM]

That's TAo's quote >_>

[Busterslash35]

Meh, whatever. My friend told me he got it off GFaqs.

[GigaKabuterimon GTM]

yeah, TAO is from Gfaqs

[Busterslash35]

yeah, TAO is from Gfaqs
I figured as much.

[on topic] My Marth spikes are getting better. I also want to work up a decent Samus one of these days..

Another thing, I pulled 6k+ with Ganondorf on HRC. Not too impressive to some, but maybe to others. Too bad it was on a friend's memory card. v_v

[GigaKabuterimon GTM]

Better than mine.

[c-106mc]

Another thing, I pulled 6k+ with Ganondorf on HRC. Not too impressive to some, but maybe to others. Too bad it was on a friend's memory card. v_v

Much better than me. I can only do 1500(if I'm lucky.).

[GigaKabuterimon GTM]

I have about 4500. Old Version'D

[Eidorian]

I have about 4500. Old Version'DI'm terrible at homerun contest. The only way I unlocked the Yoshi Past Stage was having a friend who's obessed with minigames do it for me. What I'm go at is bouncing people against the ceiling one the lower main level of Hyrule Temple. It's fun to rack up damage bouncing them off the ceiling and back up again. My record with Samus, my best character, is twelve ricochets. Anyone else like racking damage up this way?

[Decay]

coughcoughGfaqssuckscoughcough

Egh-hem ;) Anyways, yeah I probably have about 5k or so from Yoshi...

I haven't checked back in a while to see my scores though. So yeah.

[bluerune]

Marth!!!!!!!!!

[Busterslash35]

coughcoughGfaqssuckscoughcough

Egh-hem ;) Anyways, yeah I probably have about 5k or so from Yoshi...

I haven't checked back in a while to see my scores though. So yeah.
GFaqs is decent for boards, good for FAQs, IMO
5k wit Yoshi? o.O I suck at batdrops.. only character I can do them with is Ganny. I'm pretty sure I have 3k with another character but too lazy to go and check. Meh. =/

[GigaKabuterimon GTM]

I can't riccochet my opponents off the top... stupid techs.

[Kuiper]

If Link's Boomerang get's deflected, can he throw it again?

Because I know I saw the computor with two Boomerangs in the air at once, and that's the only thing I could think of to explain it. =/

[PhazonElite]

Because I know I saw the computor with two Boomerangs in the air at once, and that's the only thing I could think of to explain it. =/
I've never seen two in the air at once. 0_o

[GigaKabuterimon GTM]

I seen 2 in the air. 2 Links though >_>

[Busterslash35]

I've seen 3. Muwuhaha. 2x Link, 1x Y. Link.

[Decay]

I've seen 3. Muwuhaha. 2x Link, 1x Y. Link.

Cheater.

Gah, I have to start playing this game regularly again. I took a break for Soul Calibur II and Tekken 5.

[Kuiper]

There is already a SSBM discussion topic around here somewhere.
The only other relevant discussion thread I could find is several months old.
That's not a problem. We really don't pay much attention to the old topic rule now that we have official topics.
kk

Well...

A few days ago I was at my friend's house, who I guess I should refer to as "Bill," because that is his name. However, since that'd make too much sense, from now on I'll refer to him as sleezyweenerdog, or SWERTYZOMGWTFBBQD for short, ignoring the fact that it actually contains two more characters, because it's an acronym for something. We had nothing to do really, since I forgot to bring a blank tape, so we were just messing around with one-player stuff, and SWERTYZOMGWTFBBQD was doing some weird thing in HRC, something along the lines of programming his [third party] controller to perform drop-bat combos and stuff, sorta a tool-assisted thing, but not really, meh, I was heavily caffinated at the time and it made perfect sense. (You know what would be awesome? Tool-assisted HRC/BTT/MMM. lol)

Anyway...

I happened to bring up the idea of setting the language to Japanese, and apparently SWERTYZOMGWTFBBQD had the idea that language had NO effect on the HRC stage, so I ended up winning $5 on that bet. After that, in a desperate attempt to win back that five dollars, SWERTYZOMGWTFBBQD challenged me to a versus match, and although I didn't really accept, I did play.

I decided to play with Marth, and SWERTYZOMGWTFBBQD, sizing up the situation, given my character selection, weighing the various variables to consider, came to the conclusion that his chances of winning would be greatest playing with Jigglypuff.

Honestly, I had never noticed the character's names after the language change, all I ever use is Ganondorf on HRC. So the instant I saw Purin's name, I started cracking up. It's a good thing that as soon as we started playing, he found Purin's voice highly comical as well, or I probably would've lost. Significant highlights of the match involved pausing for five minutes while literally ROFLing and coughing up part of a hamburger I was eating.

That hamburger, I went into the kitchen to dump it, and SWERTYZOMGWTFBBQD's mother commented on the fact that I still had food on my plate, and asked if I was capable of eating it. I gave an answer that I meant to come out along the lines of something like "No, becuase I'd probably choke to death," but all that came out was "NoARGHBLECHAHAHAHAHA," and I burst out laughing, on floor, rolling around in my own saliva, SWERTYZOMGWTFBBQD's mother asking me, "WHAT IS SO FUNNY?" to which I could only reply, "Pur-aghgGHAHAHA."

Also I was able to pwn his Marth with Roy on Final Destination slo-mo melee, which isn't much of an accomplishment I guess, inasmuch as we were both pretty inebrated at the time and it was mostly up to being able to hold onto the controller long enough to do something besides up on the D-pad.




Just so this is a relevant post (I've been skating on thin ice as it is), who here's ever tried playing Cruel Melee seriously? The few times that I've tried I've mostly used Young Link, just because he's so easy to use. Despite this, I rarely score over 30 KOs with him, and I've never even topped 50. ;\ I do use Pikachu, but the funny thing is, I actually use edge-grabbing herding with him, because I'm incapable of performing a triple-jump. I've found Purin to be especially frustrating to use, simply because I can't Pound to reset the Rest counter to save my life (which I unfortunately need to do), so I've never gotten over 18 KOs with her.

[freemann1]

How many SSBM discussion topics do we need?

Learn to post. (http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/posting.php)

[Xssj2GohanX]

Why post in here when there is the official thread?

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