The Official Magic 2010 Discussion Thread Part 3

[Mage Master]

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b295/Mage-Master/magic2010logo.jpg

Prerelease date: July 11-12, 2009
Release date: July 17, 2009
Set size: 249 cards (101 C, 60 U, 53 R, 15 M, 20 L)
Product lineup: Five intro packs, 15-card booster pack, 6-card booster pack, fat pack


This thread is for all discussion on this year's core set; Magic 2010 or M10 for short. Forum rules are in effect at all time, that means no flaming, spamming or being an idiot in general. Also, if you're posting new cards or information a link to a source is required, if you fail to do this your post risks being deleted.

Useful links:

The Official Magic 2010 Discussion Thread Part 1 (http://www.pojo.biz/board/showthread.php?t=649306)
The Original Wizards M10 Article (http://www.wizards.com/magic/Magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/feature/27a)
Wizards Visual Spoiler (http://www.wizards.com/magic/tcg/article.aspx?x=mtg/tcg/magic2010/spoiler)
MTGSalvation unofficial spoiler (http://mtgsalvation.com/magic-2010-m10-core-set-spoiler.html)
Compilation Known Information (http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=150912)


Carry on.

[undercoverlucky]

First Post :D

I'm loving the artifact support in this set.

[Rai Kerensky]

Because of this set, I might return to MTG.

I wonder if it is really time to see Wrath of God go to the great "never to be reprinted due to power issues" like Counterspell?

[NoirLamia]

Is Magebane Armor going to be a chase rare? My friend wants it a lot and I am wondering why...

[Mage Master]

I'm not sure I mean Wrath is pretty strong but to say it'd never be reprinted? Let's just say it stands a better chance of being reprinted than Counterspell does.

[undercoverlucky]

Is Magebane Armor going to be a chase rare? My friend wants it a lot and I am wondering why...

I like it, but that's just me. In Limited it'd be amazing.

[Mage Master]

I'm not really seeing anything that would make it a chase rare. It's no Jitte that's for sure.

[undercoverlucky]

Anyone think there is Potential in Vampire decks now?

[NoirLamia]

I like it, but that's just me. In Limited it'd be amazing.

Yea, I really don't want to promise him all the ones I pull if it is going to be a highly sought after card >.> (He hardly has anything good to trade for 'big' cards, that's why lol)

[Mage Master]

@lucky- In what format?

[undercoverlucky]

@lucky- In what format?

In any, I suppose. More in the updated T2.

[NoirLamia]

Anyone think there is Potential in Vampire decks now?

Probably for casual play. I know I am going to make one once I get some Vampire Nocturnuses. Black is my favorite color so it will have a warm place next to my Zombies :)

[Mage Master]

I can see them being decent in Tribal Wars but not Standard unless it's a deck using like two Vampire cards that calls itself a "Vampire Deck".

[undercoverlucky]

Probably for casual play. I know I am going to make one once I get some Vampire Nocturnuses. Black is my favorite color so it will have a warm place next to my Zombies :)

Sounds fun :D

Additional Comment:

I can see them being decent in Tribal Wars but not Standard unless it's a deck using like two Vampire cards that calls itself a "Vampire Deck".

Gotcha. Mabye I'll try and make one. Then, it'll be bad, and you'll fix it :P

[Mage Master]

Good luck, most of the Vampire cards are at least 5cmc.

[undercoverlucky]

Good luck, most of the Vampire cards are at least 5cmc.

I'll get back to you with it ^_^

[Austin3450]

so who all is going to be using Bogardan Hellkite in standard

[Mage Master]

I pity anyone who attacks when their opponent has 8 mana open.

[undercoverlucky]

I pity anyone who attacks when their opponent has 8 mana open.

In standard, I pity anyone who actually had enough time to get 8 mana open with Red.

[Mage Master]

Yeah, I'm sure most of us would have won by then. However in Limited the story might be quite different.

[Lance DeVrai]

Depending on the cards Zendikar gives us, there's still potential for a RG(b?) Mana Ramp. Banefire and Bogardan Hellkite make it worth a shot, as well as Lightning Bolt for good, cheap removal. I'm sure there's more to consider but I'm lazy as hell.

[Austin3450]

I still can't believe they made him a Mythic tho

[Iggy]

The hellkite's a mythic?

[a-slice-of-cake]

Yeah, Hellkite's Mythic. Unfortunate, but true.

[Mage Master]

This stops you getting the Time Spiral version how?

[pat460]

Lol, hellkite wont be much money, with this beeing, what, its 3rd printing?

Off topic, why start new threads at 500 posts?

['Heroic']

Because we can.

WoG hurt aside, I'm still really impressed with this set. Can't wait for the Pre-release.

[LowFr3eq]

Yes, Red and White seem very strong, and there are some good Limited Choices too. I'm Loving the tribal cards and new lords too.

[MeddlingMage]

White and red are powerhouses.

I mean, white has all the new soldiers, plus it has Celestial Purge (even thioght they could have waited for this one), plus it has the mighty Baneslayer Angel (man do I love that card).

While red has Lightning Bolt, Ball Lightning, Bogardan Hellkite (which I don't mind being a mythic), and it also has SGC so I'm happy. The new Goblin lord is okay. It could have been better. The Captian of the Watch can kick it's butt any day.

[pat460]

Does everyone not care that the goblin lord is goblin warcheif but worse?? Come on, everyone keeps saying how its so good, but its just a step down form a prievious card!

[Rai Kerensky]

Does everyone not care that the goblin lord is goblin warcheif but worse?? Come on, everyone keeps saying how its so good, but its just a step down form a prievious card!

Most people I have talked to have been saying it is a watered down War Chief.

[Mage Master]

I don't really care because it's not relevant to any of the formats that I tend to play. It is just a worse Warchief though.

[Austin3450]

Darksteel Colossus and Platinum Angel are also a mythics
who all is gonna be playing them?

[pat460]

They could get played with master transmuter.

[Mage Master]

Yeah Transmuter.dek seems like the most obvious place for them. Colossus would be a real house in that deck.

[undercoverlucky]

Three new cards have been added, nothing special.

Howling Banshee 2BB
Creature - Spirit Uncommon
Flying
When Howling Banshee enters the battlefield, each player loses 3 life.
Illus. Andrew Robinson 3/3

Kelinore Bat 2B
Creature - Bat Common
Flying
Illus. Dave Kendall 2/1

Warpath Ghoul 2B
Creature - Zombie Common
Illus. rk post 3/2

[a-slice-of-cake]

Crap, dude. Transmuter.dek could be a beast. Though after Lorwyn rotates, losing Thousand Year Elixir could kill it.

[undercoverlucky]

Crap, dude. Transmuter.dek could be a beast. Though after Lorwyn rotates, losing Thousand Year Elixir could kill it.

I know, I was hoping it would be in M10 :o

Stupid Wizards.

['Heroic']

I hate anything that makes Artifacts better. Artifacts deserve to die.

[undercoverlucky]

I hate anything that makes Artifacts better. Artifacts deserve to die.

You better sleep with your eyes open tonight.. :rolleyes:

['Heroic']

Who says I sleep?:rolleyes:

[undercoverlucky]

Who says I sleep?:rolleyes:
Too-Shay. :D

[Mage Master]

Crap, dude. Transmuter.dek could be a beast. Though after Lorwyn rotates, losing Thousand Year Elixir could kill it.
The Elixir-less version of the deck does just fine too you know.

[l0k13]

I'm already having wet dreams about the possibility of 4x Orim's Chant, 4x Silence, 4x Isochron Scepter when backed up by 4 Meddling Mages on Disenchant/Naturalize and swords to plowshares =D

Not to mention Enlightened Tutors

[Mage Master]

Conley Woods posted an interesting article about M10 on mtgcast.com: http://mtgcast.com/?p=1984

Figured we could discuss it here.

[undercoverlucky]

More cards guys, I haven't seen them up here yet, if anyone wants me to stop posting them, let me know, just trying to help out.

Act of Treason 2R
Sorcery Uncommon
Gain control of target creature until end of turn. Untap that creature. It gains haste until end of turn. (It can attack and {T} this turn.)
Illus. Eric Deschamps

Burning Inquiry R
Sorcery Common
Each player draws three cards, then discards three cards at random.
Illus. Zoltan Boros & Gabor Szikszai

Fiery Hellhound 1RR
Creature - Elemental Hound Common
{R}: Fiery Hellhound gets +1/+0 until end of turn.
Illus. Ted Galaday 2/2

Jackal Familiar R
Creature - Hound Common
Jackal Familiar can't attack or block alone.
Illus. Alex Horley-Orlandelli 2/2

Viashino Spearhunter 2R
Creature - Viashino Warrior Common
First strike (This creature deals combat damage before creatures without first strike.)
Illus. Carl Critchlow 2/1

Disentomb B
Sorcery Common
Return target creature card from your graveyard to your hand.

Berserkers of Blood Ridge 4R
Creature - Human Berserker Common
Berserkers of Blood Ridge attacks each turn if able.
4/4

Oh and.. Good Morning/Afternoon everyone :D (Just woke up, not really sure what you wanna call it.)

[Mage Master]

Now we just need the 10 Green cards and the spoiler should be complete.

[undercoverlucky]

Now we just need the 10 Green cards and the spoiler should be complete.

Yea, can those please be good? Please? Kinda sick of waking up to less then average cards that I wouldn't wanna see in my booster.

[Mage Master]

So I'm not the only one who thinks this Core Set is rather.......lacking to say the least.

[poketo]

I am just hoping that all the cards are in the playable mode instead of the general flop that Conflux had with it's set of unusuable cards...

[hachihyaku]

It is really lame that a lot of the new cards are functional (or worse, EXACT) reprints of old cards.

No Grizzly Bears, OK, Grizzlys are Earth bears. But why even bother with Runeclaw Bear when there are two perfectly good flavorful replacements (Ashcoat Bear and Cylian Elf) already printed? You can't say Ashcoat Bears can't be in because it has Flash, because Bogardan Hellkite has flash. And I thought the entire point of Cylian Elf was to be a fantasy themed Bear replacement.

Act of Treason (AKA Threaten) is just ridiculous. There is absolutely no reason that couldn't have been Threaten.

The laziest card in the set though is Doom Blade, which is strictly better than Terror. Strictly better than one of the best spot removal spells ever printed. That's just pointless, and screams "Buy a box of this set so you can get all the functional reprints / strictly better versions of cards you already have five playsets of."

All things considered, they could have done MUCH worse, but I'm not too excited about this set. It's not the death of Magic or anything, but it's weird to me that half the people I know HATE this set, and the other half LOVE it. I really have no strong feelings either way. It'll do, I guess.

[Mage Master]

The set isn't even 50% new cards like they claimed it was going to be. It seemed like they ran out of time and some random guy in R&D just started throwing out new names for old cards and they just said "That'll work" and went with it.

Conley Woods was definitely onto something when he said Runeclaw Bears should be able to beat Grizzly Bears. I mean it is a magical bear afterall.

[l0k13]

So I'm not the only one who thinks this Core Set is rather.......lacking to say the least.

I like some of the cards for flavor purposes and casual. Outside of silence and the new crusade, I don't see much for competitive games.

[Mage Master]

I'm not even talking about competitive. Speaking from a more casual viewpoint this set just seems so boring.

[NoirLamia]

Tons of card images have been added to the Visual Spoiler, including Merfolk Sovereign (I love this art!!), Captain of the Watch, Indestructibility, etc etc.

[undercoverlucky]

The set isn't terrible, just not as good as most of us had been hoping for.

On a side note, I wonder if Heroic slept last night... :rolleyes:

[Mage Master]

So, who else thinks Magebane Armor's effect/ability/whatever is just stupid?

[l0k13]

Most of the casual cards we've seen before with different names. In all honesty, I did not expect it to provide anything of substance to begin with, so flavor cards such as baneslayer and the new priest of titania are somewhat a nice find. Then again, there's nothing for combo so that is a bit disappointing.

[EVO KAI]

I believe that's why they chose to do these core sets every year now instead of two...this is just the first of ideas and cards that they plan on implementing. We might see a new trend with these core sets now. A whole new kind of Magic. Forget everything you were use to.

Just a thought. ;)

[Mage Master]

The phrase "Change for change's sake" springs to mind.

[Lance DeVrai]

So I'm not the only one who thinks this Core Set is rather.......lacking to say the least.

I don't think that's fair to say. There's a lot of good stuff in the set, whether it be new or old. And yes, while there are a lot of functional reprints, they're still new. Consider the fact that the more functional reprints we get of Grizzly Bears, the more possibilities it opens for casual decks like Tribal Bears and Grizzly Horde (which are, more or less, the same deck >.<).

Besides, looks at the reactions this set is bringing - Raijin Kerensky is considering coming back (but come on, we all know good ol' Dark Messenger does this every six months-ish anyway), I'm considering staying in Standard because of it (and the prospect of mono-color Zendikar) and the impact the set's leaving on both the game and its players.

Even the new rules makes things interesting. All in all, this is a good set. I've yet to see a "junk rare" so far; have you?

Oh yeah, and I'm back home from vacation. Let the moderating rampage begin! :D

[poketo]

Hmmm... Idk it might might not... btw has BoP been confirmed because I think I have been over looking it...

[Mage Master]

BoP is in the Core Set.

[Lance DeVrai]

Birds of Paradise was one of the first confirmed cards, along with the Lorwalkers in that now-really-old article.

['Heroic']

I'm actually quite pleased with this set. Looks amazing in Limited.

[Rai Kerensky]

Besides, looks at the reactions this set is bringing - Raijin Kerensky is considering coming back (but come on, we all know good ol' Dark Messenger does this every six months-ish anyway),

I resemble that remark...That now marks the 5th person I have quote in my sig in 7 years on this board.




I do like this set. I mean, what good is another set of Terrors, or Grizzly Bear?
I hope next Core Set we get multicolored.

[Lance DeVrai]

I resemble that remark...That now marks the 5th person I have quote in my sig in 7 years on this board.

I do like this set. I mean, what good is another set of Terrors, or Grizzly Bear?
I hope next Core Set we get multicolored.

Well I'm not wrong. >.>

Doom Blade is good, though. Really good. For the cost. Really good...

[Rai Kerensky]

I only left because I hated Alara Reborn, and losing 30 games straight to mana screw.

['Heroic']

Doom Blade is good, though. Really good. For the cost. Really good...

I'm not quite clear, sir... do you think it's good?

@Dark: What? Reborn is such a great set

[Rai Kerensky]

I hate multicolor.

[Lance DeVrai]

I'm not quite clear, sir... do you think it's good?

Yeah..really good...I want 9 of them.

['Heroic']

Multicolor is cool. I just don't enjoy it as much in such quantities.

Edit - Win 400th post is win.

[NoirLamia]

Well the whole set has been spoiled :)

[LowFr3eq]

I'm loving the R/W zoo stuff, Jackal Familiar, Elite Vanguard, Honour the Pure, Even that new Super fog for 3 looks awesome.

[Justmcnew]

I'm kinda disappointed with this new Core Set If you ask me, I expected better from Wizards. Now I'll have to wait 3 more months til we get something better in Zendikar...

[a-slice-of-cake]

Personally, I love it. A lot of the new cards are really, really cool.

[Rai Kerensky]

This core set is not perfect, but neither was Alpha. They are trying something new, and I appluad for trying. If it turns poor, they will revert.

[chimpion]

I am personally quite happy with the core set after the glut of multi-colour sets we've had in the past. They made each colour have it's own distinctive theme and play style and have achieved that goal. As for the cards themselves, there are enough good cards in there to make the set worth playing from my perspective.

[undercoverlucky]

I'm not sure why they picked the end to reveal all the bad cards, though.

[Mage Master]

I haven't seen any cards that have made me go "wow". You can disagree with me all you want but to me this set wasn't spectacular but I guess it's a Core Set so that's to be expected.

[LowFr3eq]

1 sided crusade is pretty good, so is super-fog

[poketo]

I haven't seen any cards that have made me go "wow". You can disagree with me all you want but to me this set wasn't spectacular but I guess it's a Core Set so that's to be expected.

Did they ever intend to make core sets to get people to say wow?

[Mage Master]

They certainly hyped it up enough.

[MeddlingMage]

I love the new set. I think that it is going to be a great set. Yeah, they could have made some of the new cards that remind you of some reprinted cards a little different. But I totally love Doom Blade. You now have a good sideboard card against artifacts that you can actually play. Because you can't play Terror against an artifact deck.

At least one of my friends is going to happy, he gets his Megrim again.

All the new lords are awesome except for the Goblin one. It feels like when they decided on Goblin Chieftain they only took 5 minutes to decide. "Oh, let's make it like Goblin Warchief expect let's give it a +1/+1 ability instead."

I love the new art for Captain of the Watch and now I know why that lord costs 6 mana instead of 3.

['Heroic']

Yeh, Captain of the Watch's art alone makes me want to run it.

Edit - I'd go so far as to call it my favorite card in the set.

[Lance DeVrai]

I haven't seen any cards that have made me go "wow". You can disagree with me all you want but to me this set wasn't spectacular but I guess it's a Core Set so that's to be expected.

You went nuts when you saw Ball Lightning and Lightning Bolt. >.>

[Mage Master]

Everyone did though, they printed those cards to distract you from the fact that we got a bunch of "new" cards a lot of which are nothing to write home about.

['Heroic']

You went nuts when you saw Ball Lightning and Lightning Bolt. >.>

And you were at least a little excited for the new Terror.

[Lance DeVrai]

Everyone did though, they printed those cards to distract you from the fact that we got a bunch of "new" cards a lot of which are nothing to write home about.

There's plenty of good stuff, new and old.

And you were at least a little excited for the new Terror.

Not denying that. Admittedly, I went friggin' ballistic! I love it. Love it, love it, love. Terror's cost, Dark Banishing's target range. I couldn't be happier! I always love new removal spells and Doom Blade is definitely a good one.

[Rai Kerensky]

This set is the best core set in a long time, IMO.

['Heroic']

Agreed. It seems nearly every single card is at least a bit interesting and useable.

[NoirLamia]

I love it as well. It has contributed amazing cards to each of my decks. Cemetary Reaper and Doom Blade to my Zombies, Lightning Bolt to my jund, Captain of the Watch and Elite Vanguard to my Elspeth (probably). I absolutely love the new Vampires too (as you can see with me making a casual deck with them).

I am excited to open my first pack :)

[Iggy]

I keep saving up money for box only at like $30 right now but I got some jobs coming in tomorrow

[poketo]

I need to get going with my job that is usually known for my state (corn detasseling) but I think I can pull enought money to get a box and really core sets are the only real sets that are worth to buy a box of with out getting the swarm of useless commons...

[pat460]

Basically, the only thing I like about this set is that, assuming you own all the planeswalkers from lorwyn you want, you can buy a box and be done. Most of the good stuff is un/common, and the rares you dont get are easily traded for because I see nothing beeing worth too much.

[LowFr3eq]

I'm Just a little bit worried that there may be a little too much tribal in this core set, however there are some great cards to support the Alara block.

Darksteel Collosus is awesome! But I don't think we needed Platinum Angel Again. The new Lords are pretty cool, love Captain of the Watch and Elite Vanguard (Bant Soldier Token.dek here I come).

Having all these 1 drop power spells is great too. Duress, Lightning Bolt, Harm's Way, Disentomb, Silence, Fog. All excellent.

[pat460]

On the subject of new lords, I would have preferred warcheifs.

[Mr Flibbles]

I'm going to have to join the "not too impressed" camp as far as M10. There are aspects I like (Lightning Bolt, the new, fairly balanced Duals, Ball Lightning, most of the new lords, and some others), but the functional reprints irritate me a lot, the Alara reprints were unnecessary and wastes of slots, and as Mage pointed out, the "wow factor" is lacking. The slight upgrades to older cards will probably have me buying singles as I rotate my Plated Slagwurms, Terrors, and Elvish Champions, but I do not get the same feel from this set as I would have Alpha.

There is one primary reason for why this is. Wizards' goal appears to have tried for Alpha 2.0. This is very apparent as the upgrades, reprints, and variations are compared between the two sets (Twincast vs. Fork, White and Black Knight being present in both, Xathrid Demon vs. Lord of the Pit, etc). If this set was the first Alpha, or even a large part, I'd love it. Since we have such a cardpool now, however, M10 needed to completely reinvent the wheel if they were going to change the way core sets worked. Reprints are fine if well thought out, new cards are nifty, and returning to the fantasy aspect of things could have been an excellent theme if all the cards were reinvented like Protean Hydra or well conceived, new ideas like Master of the Wild Hunt.

As it stands, a number of new cards outstrip older versions here, some cases blatantly. Making an old idea better is fine, but that isn't new in my eyes, and neither is a functional reprint. M10 could be so much more than it is, but not enough time was devoted to piecing this set together. It just feels like a well-marketed product leaning heavily on a couple of impressive reprints and a handful of interesting new cards.

[Mage Master]

I'm most disappointed with the new Savannah Lions. Wasn't the original iconic enough to get the nod?

[a-slice-of-cake]

They wanted soldiers for that Lord to work with.

[poketo]

Speaking of Alara Reprints... arn't they going out at the same time anyway?

[Mage Master]

It's for Limited mainly.

[poketo]

hmmm... well some of the cards are not that needed tho...

[Mage Master]

Don't we know it.

['Heroic']

They wanted soldiers for that Lord to work with.

And my, oh my, did they do their job. I'm in love.

[Mage Master]

Another Tribal gimmick just doesn't do anything for me I'm afraid.

['Heroic']

Well it makes me a happy camper :3 I want decks like this to be present.

[poketo]

I wish I knew if I was going to a prerelease yet... :(

[NoirLamia]

If they do Tribals in Zendikar I will only be happy if one is Zombie, lol. Most of the Soldier cards from this set I am going to put into my white deck. They are nice :)

[poketo]

If they do Tribals in Zendikar I will only be happy if one is Zombie, lol. Most of the Soldier cards from this set I am going to put into my white deck. They are nice :)

zombie might make a milling deck more becoming... if you catch what I am saying... :rolleyes:

[NoirLamia]

zombie might make a milling deck more becoming... if you catch what I am saying... :rolleyes:

I hate milling :P

All I want is fast mono black Zombies. Nice one drops and great tribal support, maybe even a new land!

[a-slice-of-cake]

According to MaRo, it seems to be good old separate-color magic in Zendikar. Huzzah!

But that isn't M10! Keep goin'!

['Heroic']

Imagine if Zendikar has MORE Soldier support? =D

Soldier support soldier support soldier support.

[Mage Master]

Imagine if Zendikar made mono colour decks viable again.

Yeah right.

[NoirLamia]

I don't know if it will be all mono colored, I mean the Planeswalkers are most probably going to multi colored (Nissa prolly G/B and Chandra prolly R/W)

But if it is mono then YAY!

Let's move this conversation to the Zendikar thread xD

[Professor Chaos]

Dual color wouldn't be that bad.

[poketo]

Dual color wouldn't be that bad.

Mono is quicker and harder to skrew up... :rolleyes:

[Masterofredeyes]

Imagine if Zendikar made mono colour decks viable again.

Yeah right.




Because with


Lightning Bolt
Fireball
Earthquake
Banefire
Lighting Jav
Figure of Destiny
Ram gang
Seige Gang
etc etc

Red Deck wins will be completely non-viable.


While not all mono-color is viable it would have a hard time believing that RDW isn't going to be hellastrong once M10 comes around.

[Lance DeVrai]

Lightning Bolt
Fireball
Earthquake
Banefire
Lighting Jav
Figure of Destiny
Ram gang
Seige Gang
etc etc

Red Deck wins will be completely non-viable.

You mean Flame Javelin, right?

Also, only the first four and Siege-Gang Commander, among that list, will be in Standard when M10 comes in

EDIT:
I'm an idiot. Please ignore me. >.<

['Heroic']

I'm hoping Mono-white can win some stuff.

White REPRE-SENT

[a-slice-of-cake]

Mono-white's going to be winning a lot of Baneslayer Angel is for realsies.

[Lance DeVrai]

Mono-White Control would be nice to see again, imo. Then again I must admit that I'm gonna be playing WU Control...

I can't believe y'all are ignoring my post that's calling me an idiot. I expected at least one person to sig that. lol

['Heroic']

I was just about to, but, as you said someone should, it's not cool anymore.

[a-slice-of-cake]

Nah. You're pretty cool, you're entitled to a few whiffs.

Screw U/Anything. I hate counter-heavy blue. So glad it didn't get better with M10.

That new Djinn looks kick-ass, though.

['Heroic']

Speaking of which, ASoC, I'm curious as to what you think about the Horsey thingy that destroys Faeries?

[Lance DeVrai]

I was just about to, but, as you said someone should, it's not cool anymore.

I said I was expecting it, not begging it. :p

Nah. You're pretty cool, you're entitled to a few whiffs.

Screw U/Anything. I hate counter-heavy blue. So glad it didn't get better with M10.

That new Djinn looks kick-ass, though.

Damn you and your laid-back attitude! lol

I'm not exactly saying Counter-heavy. Admittedly, I'm not sure what I'd run because I wouldn't be able to run Meddling Mage. I'm hoping some good enchantments come out so I can run a variant of Sigil Control (since Shimmering Wings is going away :().

The Blue Djinn with Wish Counters? That guy is rad as hell! I wanna test him out somewhere in casual, find some interesting shenanigans. Ooh! Imagine him in EDH!

['Heroic']

I'll get you the next time you say something epic.

You sound like a child in a candy store when speaking of the Djinn xD I love playing the counter game.

[Lance DeVrai]

I'll get you the next time you say something epic.

You sound like a child in a candy store when speaking of the Djinn xD I love playing the counter game.

Damn, that's not gonna be for a while..

Seriously, the guy is awesome! I wouldn't use him in Constructed other than EDH or something casual, but he's really cool and techy!

['Heroic']

Well, since ASoC is busy doing whatever Pastries typically do, what do you think of the Faerie killing Elk thing?

[Lance DeVrai]

Mold Adder? That guy that get's a +1/+1 whenever a Blue or Black spell is played? Love him. Great for a Jund Aggro sideboard for those Faerie (for now) and Esper matchups. He's a mini-Bloodhall Ooze if you look at him, he just grows more slowly..sorta.

He's not really a "faerie killer", he's a great aggro creature for that matchup.

[LowFr3eq]

No he means Great Stable Stag, 3/3 for 3, can't be countered, pro blue bro black.

[Lance DeVrai]

That guy's friggin awesome too. Any creature in Green that can't be countered gets my attention by default. That guy in particular just wrecks Faeries up good!

"Agony Warp this, ya jerk!"

['Heroic']

No he means Great Stable Stag, 3/3 for 3, can't be countered, pro blue bro black.

This. Faeries cry terribly.

Edit:

@Anrui:

Yes, get him out, GG Faeries. Good riddance?

[Lance DeVrai]

I don't think it'll mean the end of Faeries so much as it will mean that Green decks will have a more fair matchup against them.

['Heroic']

Well, what can Faeries do to it? o_o

[Lance DeVrai]

Nothing. Absolutely nothing...other than block with Mutavault.

[a-slice-of-cake]

Anything that hoses Faeries makes me a happy pastry.

['Heroic']

But imagine getting out two? Is that time for the Faerie player to scoop?

[Lance DeVrai]

If I were playing Faeries, I'd scoop at the first one, unless I have that many Bitterblossom tokens out.

[EVO KAI]

But imagine getting out two? Is that time for the Faerie player to scoop?
Unless they're slpashing some Red or White, then yes. Or it will be a slow and agonizing death.

['Heroic']

I love that concept, in a somewhat sadistic way.

[Mage Master]

My only issue the the Djinn is that he's going to be the worst card in any deck that plays him. I'm not saying he's bad but he is going to be the worst card in the deck.

Mold Adder is awesome, I'm not going to say it's going to see heavy play in constructed but I can see it possibly filling a few sideboard slots.

Great Stable Stag is just awesome, I can see him getting a lot of play simply because of his pro blue and pro black. The fact he can't be countered just makes him that much better. Although a well placed Path or Bolt does put paid to him.

[Lance DeVrai]

But imagine getting out two? Is that time for the Faerie player to scoop?

I wanna address this again..because I haven't slept and several ideas came to mind. (Can you tell that I'm a NEET?)

When I said "it won't end faeries", I meant that this particular creature (Stag) won't stop people from running faeries until they cycle. Shattershot Archer didn't; Banefire didn't; Demigod of Revenge didn't; Volcanic Fallout didn't, the list goes on. Yes those cards are all threats to the faerie archetype in Standard (in particular, Standard), but the faerie players will continue to adapt and work around it. Come up with new strategies (well...sometimes. Fallout didn't change a damn thing.), try new or different splashes, etc.

Stag is an incredible creature. I love it to death. It's one of the best (green) creatures I've seen during my Magic career (if you wanna call it that). It's amazing for its cost and runs all over so many different deck types. It's power makes it a threat, its toughness makes anything that isn't Lightning Bolt or a nonblack spot removal weak against it. It's creature type is new and intriguing (it's an Elk, isn't it?) and overall, it leads me to wonder what WotC is gonna do in the future because let's be honest, you don't just introduce a new creature type without others to follow. Example: before 10th, Rhox wasn't a Rhino. Then Shards of Alara came along and while we don't have an abundance of Rhino's, we certainly have more than we did.

Ranting aside, I've been a Green player from the day I started the game and the Stag is the creature I've been begging WotC to print for 4 damn years. So I'm pleased. I'll be getting a set of them while their price is low; because I can see them going beyond $2 bulk rares. Hell, my shop is taking pre-orders of it for $6. What does that tell you?

But I expect it to drop when faeries leave Standard.

[Mr Flibbles]

Not to mention that a certain annoying 4/4 Clique can still keep it tapped. I don't see the stag being horribly expensive, as Green is probably still the weakest standalone color in Standard (though Black isn't far behind). As of now, I see multicolor sideboarding him, making him a $2-3 card. While good, even really good, I probably would not pay $6 apiece for them.

It is, however, moments like this I am sad Troll Ascetic is rotating, as the two of these guys would have been great in a deck together.

[a-slice-of-cake]

Nah, the 4/4 Clique can't do crap to it. A certain annoying 1UUU instant can keep it tapped, though, and draw a card while at it.

[poketo]

Well if people play him in my area then my Esper deck will be skrewed unless I Scourglass on him -_-

['Heroic']

I wanna address this again..because I haven't slept and several ideas came to mind. (Can you tell that I'm a NEET?)

When I said "it won't end faeries", I meant that this particular creature (Stag) won't stop people from running faeries until they cycle. Shattershot Archer didn't; Banefire didn't; Demigod of Revenge didn't; Volcanic Fallout didn't, the list goes on. Yes those cards are all threats to the faerie archetype in Standard (in particular, Standard), but the faerie players will continue to adapt and work around it. Come up with new strategies (well...sometimes. Fallout didn't change a damn thing.), try new or different splashes, etc.

The difference, though, being that this is THE best and most obvious solution to Faeries I've seen, as ASoC said, Cryptic Command being their only means of temporarily dealing with the stag. The only way Faeries will be stopping this effectively would be through splashing, which would, of course, make them a lot weaker against any other deck. I'm just about ready to say that Faeries have been downgraded for Major Threat to Minor.

[Mage Master]

I don't think you can say Faeries are now a minor threat just because of one card.

['Heroic']

It's not just this card.

Faeries had been declining anyway, I just believe this was the nail on the coffin.

[Mage Master]

I guess we'll have to wait and see what the last of this season's Standard PTQs brings.

[chimpion]

Why all this talk about this one stag destroying faeries. They can peppersmoke stuff to 2/1 and they can just turn 4 mistbind clique for incredible tempo and swing for more than you can if they run the version with scions. If they have 2 mistbind cliques then it's gg. This doesn't even include cryptic command blowouts. Also I wouldn't say faeries are declining. They're still a top tier deck and due to the popularity of tokens, their previous biggest problems fallout isn't run maindeck as much anymore since tokens can deal with fallout without many problems at all. With so much versatility and variety in the decks in standard, things have kinda balanced themselves out pretty well.

[Mage Master]

I think Stag is being really over hyped by a lot of people. It's a great card don't get me wrong but I don't think it's as good as a lot of people would have you believe.

[Lance DeVrai]

Stag will not, I repeat, will not be the end of faeries. The only thing that will end faeries will be Lorwyn ultra-mega-wtf4sets block cycling out of Standard. Faeries still rock in every other format.

For the last time, Stag will not be the end of faeries. I know I'm repeating myself but dammit this is important: Stag will not be the end of faeries!

['Heroic']

Stag will not, I repeat, will not be the end of faeries. The only thing that will end faeries will be Lorwyn ultra-mega-wtf4sets block cycling out of Standard. Faeries still rock in every other format.

For the last time, Stag will not be the end of faeries. I know I'm repeating myself but dammit this is important: Stag will not be the end of faeries!

Stag will be the end of Faeries.

I kinda just wanted to say that to entertain myself, but I suppose you guys are right. Will you at least acknowledge that it has weakened them?

[Lance DeVrai]

Stag has given green a great way to deal with faeries; something it's needed for a long time now.

[Mage Master]

This card came about 3 or 4 sets too late if you ask me.

[Lance DeVrai]

Depends on the next block.

[LowFr3eq]

I hope they don't make another ******ed achetype like Lorwyn-Faeries.

Lorwyn was very strong though, Alara doesn't have anything near the power level of Fae

[Lance DeVrai]

I'd say WotC has learned from that mistake, but then I remember Affinity...and then not too long after, Faeries. Makes me wonder where the epic-strong, overplayed aggro that dominates the format is. (Affinity being combo, Faeries being control.)

[poketo]

Idk maybe stag will be in elves (if they think he could help) to skrew them up there... if only he had flash...

[a-slice-of-cake]

I'd say WotC has learned from that mistake, but then I remember Affinity...and then not too long after, Faeries. Makes me wonder where the epic-strong, overplayed aggro that dominates the format is. (Affinity being combo, Faeries being control.)

My guess? It's going ot be Mono-White Kithkin for a little while, followed by Jaggro.

[poketo]

Of the helping topic for a sec...

Do you guys think that the Enemy color dual lands lasted? I think some things will flop with out them.

[Mage Master]

It just means people won't be able to play 5 colour decks anymore. If that causes certain strategies to "flop" then so be it.

[Lance DeVrai]

I'm in support of anything that helps completely and mercilessly annihilate this 5-color nonsense. Keep ally-colored stuff only for a while. It's when you delve back into Ravnica-style and Lorwyn-style color pairings when things get really outta hand.

[poketo]

I just honestly think that even a 3rd color in a deck will make a lot of flops with our enemy... and Conflux was encouraging 5 color if you do not remember

[Lance DeVrai]

Conflux was encouraging Domain. Domain and 5-color-obscene-wtf-I-can-splash-anything-including-Cryptic-Command-wtf-mana-fixing are two completely different things.

[LowFr3eq]

Reminds me of 5 Colour blood, or should I say, 4 Colour and blue filter lands for CC.

[poketo]

there was also the 4/5 5 color spells in the block as well (even tho almost none are used except Child of Alara and some pros trying another few spells) they still are looking at having the spells work...

we also have 3 wubrg providing lands.

I say enemy are needed until we get into Mono-block after mono-block

[Mage Master]

I had a long post planned out in response but I decided against posting it. I'm just going to say that the "I should be able to run as many colours in my deck as I want" line of thinking is what made me quit Standard.

[poketo]

Why extended and legacy you can run everysingle color in any deck with the lands that can be used.

[Mage Master]

Yeah, those decks don't actually work.

[Lance DeVrai]

Yeah, no such deck works in Legacy. Tribal Flames.dek used to be good in Extended but only because 2 colors were splashed because of the Shocklands.

['Heroic']

I like decks that are color heavy. Makes easier wins for those of us playing mono colors.

[pat460]

I never liked mono color much, I was always more of a 2 color combo guy, but I'm tired of this 5 color shenanagins as well.

[a-slice-of-cake]

Reminds me of 5 Colour blood, or should I say, 4 Colour and blue filter lands for CC.

I stand by my opinion that 5CB is an inferior version of Jund.

[Mage Master]

I stand by my opinion that 5 colour decks are just stupid in general but that's beside the point. Can we please make the discussion more on-topic please?

[poketo]

Well 5 color are off point but Enemy are still needed so you can make some decks like BG Elves and RW aggro that could be big with some of the cards in Reborn.

[Mage Master]

Well I don't think we'll be seeing these Dual Lands in Zendikar since there's absolutely zero reason for them to be in a mono colour set. Maybe M11 if we need them by then.

[poketo]

Well hasn't every block had at least a dual land?
and we need to keep some tradition in core sets and that is 10 dual lands

[Mage Master]

Wrong, the 10 Painlands in the core sets only started with 9th edition. Before that we only ever had the 5 allied colour Painlands if we had them at all.

[Lance DeVrai]

Actually, I believe every block has had some form of dual lands. Mirrodin had Glimmervoid (there were others but I forgot them) and the Sunburst mechanic, Onslaught had the fetchlands (did that have duals?), Invasion had the taplands and (I think) the enemy painlands, Kamigawa had those crappy duals that tap for mana and don't untap, so on and so forth.

Blocks that encourage monocolor decks also encourage two-color decks. But they're usually ally colored.

[Mage Master]

I was actually just explaining that poketo was incorrect in thinking that every core set has had 10 Dual Lands of some kind.

[Lance DeVrai]

...I can read. >.>

No, not always 10. 8th had the taplands, Urzatron and City of Brass.
7th had the allied painlands and City of Brass. I could go on but I'm lazy.

[NoirLamia]

Gatherer is loaded with M10, it is very beautiful in spoiler mode :)

[a-slice-of-cake]

Huh. Haven't checked Gatherer yet, but the Visual Spoiler is pretty darn cool. Can't wait for tomorrow!

[Mage Master]

My store is holding a launch party apparently. Doubt I'll go though.

[poketo]

>.< Do they have to break every core set rule >.<

['Heroic']

I am soooo psyched about tomorrow (:

Gonna be kickass.

[NoirLamia]

I wish I could go tomorrow, I have lazy friends ):

[a-slice-of-cake]

Most of my friends can't make it either, but that's not preventing me. Hoo-ah!

Poketo, their breaking of the rules is exactly what makes this Core Set so awesome.

[NoirLamia]

I wish my locals weren't an hour away >.>

['Heroic']

I went to the Pre-Release, and it was quite great.

This set is just as awesome as I'd thought it be in Limited. I managed to go W/R with Captain of the Watch and Lightwielder Paladin, with some nice Red Burn. I lost to a Black Knight in one match, and I've noticed this set has a lot of... I don't know the word... evasion, I guess?

[l0k13]

The pre-release wasn't a big success for me. I got birds/garruk, but in terms of good creatures I got jack. Vs 3 guardian seraphs when your bomb is a 4/4 trampler for 5 is a rough deal. Once again, I hate the random elements in sealed.

[poketo]

I played a W/U control with my friend running B/G Aggro deck for the Two-Headed Giant Prerelease and we went 1-2 winning with a Sleep just ruining thier whole field when they had 50 some life and we needed to do that much damage... Well we had quite a bit of creatures which we sat on.

[a-slice-of-cake]

I went 0-2 drop in Sealed; don't want to talk about it.

I kicked butt in both side drafts, though.

First one, I went UG ramp with 2 Rampant Growth, Llanowar Elves, and big dudes in the forms of Stampeding Rhino, Air Elemental, and Enormous Baloth. I also managed to play Time Warp for the win a couple times. :p

Notes:
Elvish Visionary is amazingly good and underrated in this format.
Fat green dudes + Levitation is, in fact, a game-winning combo.
Acidic Slime is my hero. (My only out to a forest turned into a 4/5 Treefolk by Awakener Druid; it got there)
Sage Owl is still high-pickable in blue.
Sleep is first-pickable.
Overrun is, surprise, surprise, still game-ending.

I was suddenly 6 packs richer from the win!

Next draft I decided to play GreenDorks.dek, splashing Red for a few guys and removal (Lightning Bolt, Seismic Strike).

Notes:
Mono-Red is really dangerous if nobody cuts them off (good thing I did a little!).
Stampeding Rhino is an awesome, awesome stupid green creature.
Lightning Bolt is every bit as awesome as you'd think it would be.
Acidic Slime is still my hero (nice Hypnotic Specter you've got there, now that I've destroyed your other swamp).
Nature's Spiral is startlingly good.
First strike + Firebreathing = annoying.

I walked out 12 packs ahead. Got an Honor of the Pure, Pithing Needle, another Time Warp, a Captain of the Watch, and 2 BR duals.

[Professor Chaos]

All i want are 4 archidruids and 4 GW dual land.

['Heroic']

I went 0-2 drop in Sealed; don't want to talk about it.

Expand on this?

Since everyone else is talking about it, I'll go further:

Sealed: 2-2 With R/W deck containing Lightwielder Paladin, Captain of the Watch, and some Red burn. First loss was due to my being White creature heavy and him having a Black Knight, second was due to very bad play on my part.

Draft 1: Went with a G/R deck. Had two Overruns, some big beasts, and both Earthquake and Windstorm. It was only a four man, so I went 1-1, losing to mulligans, really.

Draft 2: Drafted a very bad Blue mill deck with Jace. Went 0-2. Don't want to talk about this.

[a-slice-of-cake]

I just said I don't want to talk about it. =/

Got a pretty shallow pool; Cool Red bombs, but not much of substance and not nearly enough removal.

Additional Comment:

In you first draft, did you have any ramp? G ramp did pretty well for me.

['Heroic']

I just said I don't want to talk about it. =/

Got a pretty shallow pool; Cool Red bombs, but not much of substance and not nearly enough removal.

Additional Comment:

In you first draft, did you have any ramp? G ramp did pretty well for me.


I know, that's why I asked.

I got a lone Giant Growth. In sealed, one of my opponents had 2 Giant Growths and a Might of Oaks. Two words: ******* annoying.

[NoirLamia]

Sounds like you guys had fun..I wish I could have gone :(

You guys gotta update your trade threads! I want those BR duals...

NOW!

:)

['Heroic']

Yeh, I need 3 more CotW's. (: Such a great card.

I also hope Honor of the Pure's go down, as I didn't get to pull one.

[NoirLamia]

Yeh, I need 3 more CotW's. (: Such a great card.

I also hope Honor of the Pure's go down, as I didn't get to pull one.

I think Honor is in the White intro pack, so it should go down.

I pray at least..lol.

['Heroic']

Really? I need to look that up, I sure as hell hope so.

[NoirLamia]

Really? I need to look that up, I sure as hell hope so.

I read it on Salvation somewhere, we might not now for sure until this weekend. But yea, that would be awesome.

['Heroic']

I really like drafting Green in this set. I love getting fatties with some Overruns. Always feels good.

[poketo]

I like blue... It can make a strong control deck and have some combos so you can use that X/X Serpent or any landwalker so you can just do as much damage as you wanted.

[Islaya]

I think Honor is in the White intro pack, so it should go down.

It is. *Kicks himself for trading away a Rootbound Crag and Birds of Paradise to get 2 HotP this past weekend*

[a-slice-of-cake]

Well, that makes my life easier. Intro packs, here I come!

['Heroic']

Do we know the full contents? I'd like to know how much of the White I need.

[pat460]

Here ya go :p
http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/arcana/231

[poketo]

I think I might get 4 Blue starter for a control deck build :)

[a-slice-of-cake]

White's by far the strongest, but the GW doesn't look bad, either.

[Mage Master]

I just can't help but laugh at the title of the White deck.

[NoirLamia]

I just can't help but laugh at the title of the White deck.

The term "We Are Legion" is so oxymoron as a White title..

[Lance DeVrai]

I just can't help but laugh at the title of the White deck.

Same, and I'm sure for the same reasons. :p

I like the Red precon having 2 Lightning Bolts. Always nice.

['Heroic']

I like the Vanguard, HotP, and Harm's way from the white. Hm. I'm undecided on whether to pick up a couple.

[Lance DeVrai]

I won't be buying any. Only card I like out of them is Honor of the Pure and Lightning Bolt. Then again, they're both in the same precon.

Rephrase: I might buy some precons.

[a-slice-of-cake]

C'mon, Anrui. No Harm's Way love?

[Lance DeVrai]

Not a fan. There are some neat tricks with it but...hell, iuno, it's no Story Circle. :(

['Heroic']

I should probably just buy what I need individually, as I need 4 each of them.

[poketo]

Well with them being in starter packs they will be cheap for a while

look at cruel ultimatum

[Mage Master]

Look at Path to Exile.

[LowFr3eq]

Well the ARB G/W precon was pretty boss, I mean, foil Dauntless Escort, Kight of new Alara, Path to Exile, and I got a knight of new alara in my booster too lol.

its funny, all the decks I've draw up lately have been white / another colour or Combo Elves.

Combo Elves and WW and GW overrun seem pretty good for next standard, but i'm expecting alot of Elves at my next PTQ, so I'm not gonna run my probably substandard version of it, probably gonna run B/W weenie artifacts.

[poketo]

I would say that GW, RW, RGW, or some one along the lines will be big... Maybe 3 maybe going to far but it will have 4 different Cascade including Violent Outburst bringing out some small creatures...

['Heroic']

Anybody planning to go to the Regular release as well?

I'm still excited to play this set. I don't know, it's just really awesome in limited.

[Mage Master]

I think our release event was today. I didn't go and I can safely say I didn't miss anything by not going.

['Heroic']

Really? I love Pre/Releases. Mine is tomorrow.

Why, do you not enjoy this set in limited?

[Lance DeVrai]

He's referring to his lame-o locals, Heroic.

I won't be going to any releases. I'd be hard-pressed to stay in the game right now.

['Heroic']

This is due to cash issues or the fact you don't enjoy the game as much? (D: )

I guess I'm just pretty lucky to have some cool people at my locals, sorry Mage.

(Also, w00t for Veteran status, soon, anyway)

[Mage Master]

If you want to know about it PM me, it's not something to discuss in this thread.

[Lance DeVrai]

Both, in addition to only having a local available that an hour away. If I stay around in the game, it'll be to play Extended in October and slay with Dredge.

...right, not for the thread, PM, etc.

[poketo]

I would love to go to the Release tournaments but I have my only ride out of commision and there is no other option.

[a-slice-of-cake]

I don't have a ride to the Release tournaments, nor the money to enter...

[Iggy]

I had a blast at my release tournement. Opened foil hellkite, foil glacial fortress and baneslayer also picked up four honor of the pure.

[MeddlingMage]

I went to the release tournament. I had a blast even though I got mostly crap. I think the only good rare I got was Sunpetal Grove. The others were Vampire Nocturnus, Protean Hydra, Merfolk Sovereign, and a Shivan Dragon. Ugh, no Lightning Bolts, no Harm's Way, only one Doomblade.

[Iggy]

Yeah I noticed that the powerful commons were really hard to come by. I only got 4 bolts out of one box only 3 duress and 6 doomblade.

[a-slice-of-cake]

Are they short-printing those commons?

[Lance DeVrai]

I doubt they'd do that. Then again, I've been wrong before. I'm hoping they aren't.

[Mage Master]

I'm glad I already have my Lightning Bolt and Duress playsets from pervious sets. If I get many cards from M10 I can guarantee I'll be buying singles.

[poketo]

I will most likely buy a box then singles because I have no playset of anything unless it was just in Shards...

[a-slice-of-cake]

So... how about that new Priest of Titania in the same set as Elvish Visionary?

[poketo]

Ok... fill me in here, what is this Priest of Titania :confused:

[Mage Master]

It's going to be good until Zendikar comes out.

[LowFr3eq]

Honestly what they did to Civic Wayfinder was silly, there should have been more green elves, not bad human functional reprints. Elvish archdruid could have had civic wayfinder in limited, but I guess Nerfing elves is ok, because they are a very very good deck for 3 months, and maybe longer.

[poketo]

I think they are trying just to get away from some elves and have a humans vs. elves for green theme?

[a-slice-of-cake]

I think they just didn't like Civic Wayfinder's flavor in the core set.

[LowFr3eq]

An elf that gets land vs. a human that gets land?

and another thing, new merfolk lord is bad.

[poketo]

DUh... unless they have Merfolk in the next block it is useless since I am trying to remeber if there is even 1 in shards...

[LowFr3eq]

I'm guessing there are. Why have 5 merfolk in standard including a lord?

oh and there weren't any in shards.

[Mage Master]

You guys do realise that there are other formats than Standard right?