The Official Magic 2010 Discussion Thread Part 2

[Mage Master]

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Prerelease date: July 11-12, 2009
Release date: July 17, 2009
Set size: 249 cards (101 C, 60 U, 53 R, 15 M, 20 L)
Product lineup: Five intro packs, 15-card booster pack, 6-card booster pack, fat pack


This thread is for all discussion on this year's core set; Magic 2010 or M10 for short. Forum rules are in effect at all time, that means no flaming, spamming or being an idiot in general. Also, if you're posting new cards or information a link to a source is required, if you fail to do this your post risks being deleted.

Useful links:

The Official Magic 2010 Discussion Thread Part 1 (http://www.pojo.biz/board/showthread.php?t=649306)
The Original Wizards M10 Article (http://www.wizards.com/magic/Magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/feature/27a)
Wizards Visual Spoiler (http://www.wizards.com/magic/tcg/article.aspx?x=mtg/tcg/magic2010/spoiler)
MTGSalvation unofficial spoiler (http://mtgsalvation.com/magic-2010-m10-core-set-spoiler.html)
Compilation Known Information (http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=150912)


Carry on.

[Masterofredeyes]

If lightning bolt comes back blue better at least get mana leak, if not Remand/Counter Spell.


with the Rack coming back and all the mana fixing we have am I the only person forseeing...


Turn 1 Duress
Turn 2 Tidehollow Skuller
Turn 3 Blightning

being completely retarded. GOD I hate discard.

[Mage Master]

I don't think The Rack has been confirmed yet, outside of the new art in DotP.

[Eternity]

Last I checked, The Rack was confirmed as an uncommon. I could be wrong.

[ReiverDemon2007]

Sweet, the release is a day after my 30th birthday. I know where I'm going on Friday the 17th.

[EVO KAI]

So Serra Angel will be uncommon?

[Mage Master]

Yes Serra Angel will be going back to its original rarity at Uncommon.

[EVO KAI]

That's awesome. I noticed it will retain it's 10th edition art. Does anyone know if this has been confirmed for sure?

[Mage Master]

The article over on the Wizards site confirms it. There's even a card scan:

http://www.wizards.com/magic/Magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/feature/27a

[NoirLamia]

That's awesome. I noticed it will retain it's 10th edition art. Does anyone know if this has been confirmed for sure?

Yes I believe it has actually been confirmed in Wizards first little peak they gave us of M10. It has the whole card image and everything.

Back to what legends will be in the set I am hoping for a reprint of Cabal Patriarch and Volrath for Black, they were very iconic to me when I started playing Magic. The Patriarch being the first legend that I ever pulled, at my 14th birthday party :)

[EVO KAI]

The article over on the Wizards site confirms it. There's even a card scan:

http://www.wizards.com/magic/Magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/feature/27a

Lol...my bad. Don't click many links. ;)



Back to what legends will be in the set I am hoping for a reprint of Cabal Patriarch and Volrath for Black, they were very iconic to me when I started playing Magic. The Patriarch being the first legend that I ever pulled, at my 14th birthday party :)

It was Ascendant Evincar for me. I remember when I first pulled him...I wanted to put him in EVERY black deck I did.

And my very first rare I pulled in MTG was Blinding Angel. I was floored by that card. I made my first white deck around her.

[NoirLamia]

It is funny because Ascendant Evincar was the first rare/legend I pulled when I first bought Nemesis. He is what made me like vampires and how I found out about Volrath.

Ashen Firebeast was my first ever rare, I still have it in a protector hanging on my wall...I signed it lol.

[Mr Flibbles]

Wow, I guess it shows how long I've been playing when I say that Tibor and Lumia was my first Legend, which was neat because I already liked the Izzet guild. Gate to the Aether was my first and second rare...could have been happier about those packs.

Kind of hoping Akroma comes back into Standard, I'd love to try mana ramp + Wargate.

[EchoIsWin]

What'll be around longer: Alara Reborn or M10?

[LowFr3eq]

they both rotate at the same time next year when the block after Zendikar comes in.

at least I think that's how the new standard rotation works.

[fireproof]

Lightening Bolt is back...............didn't see that coming........bring on all the RDW

[poketo]

they both rotate at the same time next year when the block after Zendikar comes in.

at least I think that's how the new standard rotation works.

I think I have heard that they are going to cycle out the block then the core but that may make no since so I would go 4 sets a year.

[Mage Master]

M10 leaves at the same time Alara block leaves next year which is October 2010.

[Iggy]

I saw this when I looked at a magic 2010 spoiler and this scared me s***less.

Here is the site link
http://www.gatheringmagic.com/?page_id=1315



and here is what made me flip out
http://www.gatheringmagic.com/images/Cards/LightningBolt2010.jpg

AT A RARE HOLY S*** I hope that isnt true

[Mage Master]

It's only a mock-up of what they think the card will look like. Rarity hasn't been confirmed yet as far as we're aware.

[Iggy]

Ok thats a big relief but I think I'm gong to get revised ones just to be safe.

[LowFr3eq]

Well it probably should be an uncommon because of Limited formats.

I think Lightning Bolt might be ok. oh and they start unveiling M10 cards next week on DailyMTG as well.

It looks like all 5 colours might get a really good oldschool power card back. Black gets Duress, red gets Lightning Bolt, what would the other colours get?

-Counterspell?
-Rancor?
-(insert good white card here)?

but probably not Rancor or Counterspell.

[NoirLamia]

I would love Rancor and Brainstorm. It would be insane if white got Swords to Plowshares but you know that won't happen since Path is in standard.

[Mage Master]

Yeah, I don't think we'll ever see a Standard format where both Path and Swords are legal.

[Iggy]

Well I think that White got Silence I hope that blue gets a 2CC counter but I doubt it will be counterspell.

[NoirLamia]

Do you think they will ever print multi colored cards or hybrid cards in a core set? I don't think they have yet.

[Iggy]

Probaly not since they are trying to use the core set to make the game easier for new players and a lot of the time when I see a new player they go

" Oh so multicolred is harder to cast and can cost me more money becuase I need to buy expensive lands, Well looks like I'm playing kithkin!"

So I doubt they will do something that might draw new players away.

[Eternity]

Well I think that White got Silence I hope that blue gets a 2CC counter but I doubt it will be counterspell.

Mana Leak is always a possibility. It has been in previous core sets and is a pretty good counterspell in its own right.

Yeah, I don't think we'll ever see a Standard format where both Path and Swords are legal.

That'd be fairly annoying.

[Iggy]

Yes mana leak = good

[Fluga]

Lightning Bolt isn't confirmed, and if it was, it would be a very large power creep that would kill a lot of this game's balance. Its probably for a new card.

[Mage Master]

Okay gentlemen, consider this if you will. Let's say Mogg Fanatic doesn't come back (which if we're honest probably isn't too likely). Would it be too out of the question for Wizards to reprint say Kird Ape in M10?

[Fluga]

Kird Ape is like "Blade" creatures from Reborn. Its fine.

Bolt is just too powerful to bring back. I can see a watered down version though.

[Iggy]

First bolt isnt to powerful. Honestley bolt is just fine since they probaly wont reprint incinerate and shock again. Second why cant RDW be good? It use to be one of the top decks in the format (granted that was more then a year ago.) the one deck that is also easy for new players to understand since burning them at EOT unless there is a threat that has to be dealt with and swinging with the superior creatures is all the skill that you really need to play the deck........Anyway after LOR-SHA rotates burn has Hellspark Elemental, Hell's thunder, Volcanic Fallout, Goblin Assualt(Maybe) and Banefire.So dont say its to powerful. Wizards would print it to help keep burn alive, Which as you may be able to tell by my rant that may not make sense the way its worded is why they may reprint it.

[ReiverDemon2007]

Fear (the enchantment, not the keyword) is not in M10. Plus here is another surprise for you. (http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/arcana/216)

[chimpion]

So what about the broodmate dragon or cruel ultimatum. Also there's seismic assault, bloodbraid elf, terminate,and bituminous blast, mogg fanatic (etc). I also reckon there's a fair chance kird ape might be reprinted in place of the fanatic. There are plenty of good red cards still around.

It's been stated before but the reason lightning bolt will unlikely see print ever again is that it's far too powerful and efficient for what it does - the ability to destroy most creatures up to cmc 4/5 at instant speed as well as do damage to the opponent if necessary. Also the magic designers said that that they were quite happy with shock/incinerate in terms of power.

[Acardus]

Yay!

Wrath is back!!!

[EVO KAI]

Yay!

Wrath is back!!!

It's on the maybe list. All that list is doing is showing what cards might and might not be back. Only 2 have their status confirmed; Fear = OUT & Nightmare = IN.

[Fluga]

First bolt isnt to powerful. Honestley bolt is just fine since they probaly wont reprint incinerate and shock again. Second why cant RDW be good? It use to be one of the top decks in the format (granted that was more then a year ago.) the one deck that is also easy for new players to understand since burning them at EOT unless there is a threat that has to be dealt with and swinging with the superior creatures is all the skill that you really need to play the deck........Anyway after LOR-SHA rotates burn has Hellspark Elemental, Hell's thunder, Volcanic Fallout, Goblin Assualt(Maybe) and Banefire.So dont say its to powerful. Wizards would print it to help keep burn alive, Which as you may be able to tell by my rant that may not make sense the way its worded is why they may reprint it.

They can just reprint Incinerate. Balance issue fixed.

Also, M10 and Tenth are legal together for about a month after M10's release.

Lightning Bolt is banned in extended for a reason. Its too powerful of a power creep. Way too powerful. Taking away 5 life a turn for only two mana is rediculous. And if you have 3 red left over? 11 life. Yeah, no way they are reprinting Lightning Bolt unless its a watered down version.

[chimpion]

There are so many watered down versions they're happy with already.

Fixed.

Also how did you get those numbers?

[Iggy]

They can just reprint Incinerate. Balance issue fixed.

Also, M10 and Tenth are legal together for about a month after M10's release.

Lightning Bolt is banned in extended for a reason. Its too powerful of a power creep. Way too powerful. Taking away 5 life a turn for only two mana is rediculous. And if you have 3 red left over? 11 life. Yeah, no way they are reprinting Lightning Bolt unless its a watered down version.

I think your math is a little off and Tenth cycles out the day M10 is legal.

[Mage Master]

Just gonna wait for a card scan.

Additional Comment:

For what it's worth, Siege-Gang Commander has been confirmed for M10.

Source: http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=7201412&id=201120755306&ref=mf

[Iggy]

It could just be a mock-up but it looks very real.

[Mage Master]

It's the official MtG Facebook page, I'm pretty sure it's real. Seriously, what's with all of this "oh it's probably/obviously fake" talk that we've been getting lately? Do we have to start providing actual card scans for people to believe these spoilers?

[Islaya]

Seriously, what's with all of this "oh it's probably/obviously fake" talk that we've been getting lately? Do we have to start providing actual card scans for people to believe these spoilers?

I believe everything and anything I hear about Magic with or without proof, lol. Cant wait for Golden Lotus, it's gonna be awesome =P

[Fluga]

I think your math is a little off and Tenth cycles out the day M10 is legal.

Fixed.

Also how did you get those numbers?

I added in Shock, Lightning Bolt, and Ball Lighting together.

[ReiverDemon2007]

Yes, SGC is back. I can play my 4 FOIL ones from Scourge in standard for a little bit longer. Sweet

[Dunjohn]

Lightning Bolt is banned in Extended because there are no sets in Extended that contain it.

Don't really care about SCG since I don't play red (though this Core Set clearly wants me to). It hasn't done much in Standard over the last two years - a little, but not much - but it's nice enough to remain, I guess.

Fear gone; fine by me. I always thought it was overcosted, even for a "newbie" card. Obviously it wouldn't see serious play even if it cost 0 but B seems like enough for what it did.

I'm still expecting Wrath to remain. I mean seriously, how many more curveballs can this Core Set throw us? Also expecting Grizzly to remain now, given its frontline presence in Duels of the Planeswalkers.

[Mage Master]

So, who wants to bet that Wrath is one of the last cards that they reveal as being in/out?

[Dunjohn]

Yeah, they'll definitely do that :) Probably even it vs. Howling Mine, with one of them definitely out. I just hope it doesn't leak before then.

[Mage Master]

If anyone finds out you know it'll be MTGSalvation.

[Iggy]

I believe everything and anything I hear about Magic with or without proof, lol. Cant wait for Golden Lotus, it's gonna be awesome =P


You do know that it was confirmed a fake right. The guy who made it came out and said so I beleive it was on MTGSalvation where it all went down.

[LowFr3eq]

Islaya forgot to add /Sarcasm

[Koa'kiMeiru]

Drudge Skeletons in in. (http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/arcana/217)

[Mage Master]

Oh well, at least we got that one out of the way early on.

[Dunjohn]

Drudge Skeletons is also in Duel of the Planeswalkers. To be honest, I don't see any of the DotP cards rotating out, given how close its release is to M2010. It's clearly been designed as a taster for Magic, and the people who graduate from it would probably like to see the cards in the core set. If they used these cards in DotP, then clearly they still approve of their places in the game.

For the record, here's the Last Sixteen with all the DotP cards highlighted:

Air Elemental
Bog Wraith
Drudge Skeletons—IN
Fear—OUT
Giant Growth
Giant Spider
Goblin King
Grizzly Bears
Howling Mine
Nightmare—IN
Orcish Artillery
Regeneration
Rod of Ruin
Samite Healer
Scathe Zombies
Wrath of God

That seven, which would leave just one of the others in M2010. If so, I'll slide my chips onto, umm.... Bog Wraith. Maybe Orcish Artillery. I could be wrong, though, about all seven of these making the cut. I'm 100% expecting Regeneration to get cut, it's an awful, awful card. The thing about Howling Mine is, it's an old-style artifact that switches off when tapped. A poster on the official boards made a very good point that they may use the new half of M2010 to print updated versions of cards like that. It's be less abusable, but the EOT-tap trick isn't one that newbies cotton on to unless they're told about it, so it'd be more intuitive.

That does seem to be this set's big word....

EDIT: I forgot, Howling Mine's in the DotP Tezzeret deck. Right now, I'm thinking that that's a spoiler.

[The God Of Envy]

im hearing a lot of rod of ruin redo buzz which meh who cares growth seems like a mainstay forever heck it even got its own commercial


idk about goblin king though as he really would have no place in standard and would still be legal through the rest of the formats

[Mage Master]

Rod is pretty meh, don't really care about it. Growth definitely seems like it's going to be in there because they're (deliberately or otherwise) pushing pump spells now with the new rules.

Yeah, Goblin King sees no play in Standard as it is. Doesn't really make sense for him to be in there.

[Iggy]

Hopefuly they put some more zombie in the format so I can play a grixis based zombie deck.

[pat460]

I want howling mine to to more than anything other thatn wrath. I'de trade the rest of the list for those two to be in the set.

[Iggy]

Yeah mine would be sweet and I could pick turbo fog if I knew that was going to stay.

[Dunjohn]

Actually, isn't Mine in DotP? Yes it is. So eight cards on that list are in DotP. Is that a little spoiler, or a nail in the coffin for my theory? I've edited my post above.

[Mage Master]

Grizzly Bears doesn't make a great deal of sense though. I mean we already have Cylian Elf.

[Eternity]

Grizzly Bears doesn't make a great deal of sense though. I mean we already have Cylian Elf.

Other formats, iconic, etc.

Personally, I want Wrath to go away but I know its not. Come on, we all know Wrath of God is being reprinted in M10.

[Dunjohn]

Grizzly Bears doesn't make a great deal of sense though. I mean we already have Cylian Elf.

Grizzly Bears hasn't made sense since Ice Age and Balduvian Bears. He's been obsoleted dozens of times by everything from Cylian Elf to Wild Mongrel to Ashcoat Bear. And he's still in there.

[Mage Master]

He needs to sit out a few Core Sets if you ask me.

[Eternity]

Popular demand, perhaps? I know I smile with glee whenever I pull a Grizzly Bears; hell, I started working on a Bear deck for Tribal Wars!

[The God Of Envy]

I Just Got A Scary Thought What If Terror Is Gone I Would Cry If We Lost The Greatest Cheap Spot Removal Ever

[Masterofredeyes]

I Just Got A Scary Thought What If Terror Is Gone I Would Cry If We Lost The Greatest Cheap Spot Removal Ever




Swords to Plowshares hasn't been around for a long time, so you don't have to worry about it.

[The God Of Envy]

terror>stp as better spot removal stp is better removal in general

[Mage Master]

Terror better not be gone, Black needs to have something.

[The God Of Envy]

overrun confirmed

[Mage Master]

Ehh, not bad. At least it has some uses.

[Iggy]

Where was it confirmed?

[The God Of Envy]

facebook preview of the day

[Dunjohn]

Giant Growth is IN. It's also a DotP card. I'm tellin' y'all, I'm on to something here. Anybody here play DotP?

[LowFr3eq]

Lightning Bolt...

edit:At least its a commonLimited will be red all over

[Kevin_Olbrysh]

I like the new Dual lands. I'm gonna have to pick me up a set of Glacial Fortress and Drowned Catacombs for my Esper deck.

Wow, my Mana fixing's gonna be crazy... The Esper Triland, borderposts, and these new dual lands...

[Mage Master]

Figures Growth would be in, there was no reason for it not to be afterall. It would have been nice if we'd got new art though.

[Iggy]

Can have link to were you guys are finding these previews(salvation is kinda slow)

[Mage Master]

Giant Growth: http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/arcana/218

Overrun: http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=7224224&id=201120755306&ref=mf

inb4 "Mock up", "Might be fake", etc.

[Iggy]

Oh cool wall of bone is up now sweet

[Mage Master]

Wall of Bone + Death Baron = 2/5 Wall with Deathtouch

[ReiverDemon2007]

The new art of Wall of Bone is awesome. And just think Drudge Skeletons is back as well.

[Iggy]

Zombies may be a real contender for an actual deck. WOOT!

[Mage Master]

Any card that has the potential of gaining Deathtouch is a contender now.

[NoirLamia]

I would love some more Zombie support, got my casual Zombie completed the other day. Wall of Bones I am debating to pop in there for Death Baron, I wish it was Zombie type instead of Skeleton >.>

Art for Wall of Bones is awesome though, as are the art for most of the cards in M10 :)

[Mage Master]

Who doesn't like 5 toughness Walls with Deathtouch? I know I like them.

[NoirLamia]

And regenerate puts the cherry on it for me :)

[Iggy]

I imagine anyone who is playing one would love it. :D

[Mage Master]

I wish Black Knight was a Zombie, now that would be cool.

[Iggy]

Yeah it would be like saying F-U to path to exile and Pwning a lot decks into oblivion.

[NoirLamia]

That would be incredibly awesome.

[Iggy]

I think wizards would see that one coming though.

[The God Of Envy]

awesome photo from mtg on facebook jones soda a booster box and intro packs

[Mage Master]

I want to draft that booster box so bad.

[LowFr3eq]

Draft is gonna be very very red lol, needs moar pro red stuff.

I might just pick LB so it don't get used against me lol.

[The God Of Envy]

is bolt gonna jump in price or will it stay in the .50-2 range

[Iggy]

Nah It may peek a little but not much since there will be more bolts around then there was before.

[Mage Master]

Ahem........

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b295/Mage-Master/attachment-11.jpg

Source: http://www.wizards.com/magic/tcg/article.aspx?x=mtg/tcg/magic2010/spoiler

>.>

[LowFr3eq]

I guess I can use my playset of shock as target practice with my .22 now.

[Eternity]

Man, Extended Zoo just got a bit stronger, didn't it? It's nice to see it back in a new printing..in black border.

[Mage Master]

So, can I put everyone down for a playset of these? lol

[Eternity]

I'm fairly confident those things are gonna get sold out, in every printed form, very, very quickly.

[Mage Master]

I know I'll be buying as many as possible.

[NoirLamia]

Four for my jund :)

Yay!

[Eternity]

Other than your current set, obviously. I'll just wait until M10 comes out and I'll buy a bunch of packs.

Or if I'm lucky, a single Lightning Bolt will be in the Intro Pack. They'd sell out so fast..

[Austin3450]

Since the Pain lands are out do u think any of these lands will be in?

http://beta.gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=130595&type=card

http://beta.gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=136045&type=card

[NoirLamia]

I'm not too sure about those lands since we are getting the new Duals already.

[Eternity]

Neither of those lands, nor variations thereof, will be in M10. Just the 5 ally-colored duals, two of which have been revealed.

[NoirLamia]

Neither of those lands, nor variations thereof, will be in M10. Just the 5 ally-colored duals, two of which have been revealed.

The artwork for the other three have been revealed though.

[Mage Master]

Yup, just those 5 dual lands. The 4 and 5 colour players are complaining about it already.

[Eternity]

The artwork for the other three have been revealed though.

They have? Where?

Yup, just those 5 dual lands. The 4 and 5 colour players are complaining about it already.

This is gonna be an awkward format. lol

[The God Of Envy]

nimbus was the prototype for the new duals

[NoirLamia]

They have? Where?
l

http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=167796

The artwork that was 'Golden Lotus' is actually the artwork for the GW land. Funny if you ask me, lol.

[Eternity]

I never would have known that; Salvation doesn't load up on my girlfriend's (or her brother's) computer. Not sure why.

[NoirLamia]

I never would have known that; Salvation doesn't load up on my girlfriend's (or her brother's) computer. Not sure why.

Yea. That stinks about Salvation not loading, I have heard complaints from numerous people lately about not being able to get on it.

[Eternity]

Then I'm thankful it's not just me. I wonder why it won't load though..I need to go to the Signature Shops! lol

[Mage Master]

Did you try clearing the cache?

[Eternity]

I tried a number of things, all of which failed catastrophically.

[ReiverDemon2007]

The main cards I'm looking for from this set are:
4x RG Land
4x GW Land
4x BR Land
4x Ball Lightning
4x Lightning Bolt

I'm really not that greedy.

[Eternity]

That's pretty much everyone's big wants so far.

[Mage Master]

I want 2 things off the above list and neither of them is a land. >.>

[Eternity]

We know, Ball Lightning and Lightning Bolt. I'd like those, but I also want the BR Dual. I have Black-Red plans for Extended.

Also, Duress.

[Mage Master]

I have BR plans for Standard which I'm sure most people have realised by now from the deck I posted in T2 Discussion.

[NoirLamia]

I am pretty sure we have yet to see the full extent of this core set. Bolt and Ball Lightning are only teasers or 'the first dose'...I am so excited for preview week!

:D

[Mage Master]

Well don't expect any Red chase rares. Power uncommons maybe.

[Eternity]

Just imagine what else WotC has in store for this set. Should be wild.

[Mage Master]

If Damnation comes back Grixis Rack will be a house post rotation.

[Eternity]

Damnation coming back would be pretty wild but I don't see it happening. I just don't.

[NoirLamia]

I do every night when I go to sleep. I got two so far so I am partially prepared for when they spoil it :)

[Eternity]

Am I the only one who noticed that Nightmare (http://www.wizards.com/mtg/images/tcg/products/magic2010/dbyk2fofcz_EN.jpg) has a new creature type?

[Mage Master]

Wouldn't it make more sense for it to be an Elemental?

[NoirLamia]

Am I the only one who noticed that Nightmare (http://www.wizards.com/mtg/images/tcg/products/magic2010/dbyk2fofcz_EN.jpg) has a new creature type?

Cool? I personally think it should be 'Horror Horse' lol

[Eternity]

It's not an Elemental though; it's a Horse. It's always been a Horse and has never been considered an Elemental. It's always been a Nightmare. Now it's a Nightmare Horse. Does that mean the other -mare's are gonna become horses as well? Because that'd be an interesting Tribal deck. >.>

[Mage Master]

Their Oracle rules text counts them as creature type Horse.

[Eternity]

I wasn't aware of that. Still, I think it's interesting all-around.

[NoirLamia]

Regeneration is out if anyone cares, lol.

http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/arcana/219

[Mage Master]

Bleh, good riddance. Let's hope they put something better in its place.

[Eternity]

I'm happy to see Regeneration gone. Makes me wonder if M10 will have any regenerators in the set. Not sure why; my mind's just wandering. lol

My hopes are still set on Wrath of God not going but I know it'll be in.

[NoirLamia]

I am pretty sure they won't tell us Wrath's fate until the very end.

*sigh*

[Eternity]

Yeah, I'm pretty sure that's what they'd do.

[Mamoswine Flu]

so far the only thing im looking forward too is ball lightning, if anyone plans on getting a playset they'd be willing to sell, pm me.

That's the card getting me back into magic x.x

[Acardus]

If Wrath if avail for M10, what will happen when M11 hits next year? One year is bit too short. Before we know it, a new environment will shift.

>.>

I like change but this one is bit too fast. And I like Wrath!

[Dunjohn]

Woot! Regeneration gone! Good riddance.

Duel of the Planeswalkers cards
Drudge Skeletons
Giant Growth
Giant Spider
Goblin King
Grizzly Bears
Howling Mine
Nightmare
Wrath of God

Non-DotP cards
Air Elemental
Bog Wraith
Fear
Orcish Artillery
Regeneration
Rod of Ruin
Samite Healer
Scathe Zombies

[a-slice-of-cake]

Well don't expect any Red chase rares. Power uncommons maybe.

Sup Ball Lightning?

[pat460]

Woot! Regeneration gone! Good riddance.

Duel of the Planeswalkers cards
Drudge Skeletons
Giant Growth
Giant Spider
Goblin King
Grizzly Bears
Howling Mine
Nightmare
Wrath of God

Non-DotP cards
Air Elemental
Bog Wraith
Fear
Orcish Artillery
Regeneration
Rod of Ruin
Samite Healer
Scathe Zombies

Howling mine stays?!?!?! WOO!

[LowFr3eq]

Well I hope so, turbo fog is an ok deck.

[Mage Master]

Sup Ball Lightning?
I was talking about the rest of the Red cards that they haven't spoiled yet.

Edit- Some interesting information came out by way of mtgfrance.com . I'll just leave the link to the Salvation thread and wait for the cries of "fake" and "pics or it didn't happen".

http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?p=4007299

[Iggy]

Well they have been right about most things....

[Mage Master]

The Angel seems a little bit too good.

[Iggy]

Yeah that would be the main reason that all of that stuff could be fake. I mean look at how absurd Golden Lotus was and that was fake.

[Mage Master]

Having said that, is it too good? It's efficient sure but is it broken? I can't say that it is.

[EVO KAI]

Having said that, is it too good? It's efficient sure but is it broken? I can't say that it is.

Well, considering most of the 5 drop flyers have been 4/4 (Blinding Angel, Serra Angel, Battlegrace Angel, Air Elemental, Sengir Vampire, Archon of Justice...etc.) and a reasonable ability attached...this thing is a 5/5 for 5 with flying, first strike, lifelink and protection from 2 creature types....yeah, I'd say it's pretty broken. Even if Demons & Dragons aren't a big deck type.

[Mage Master]

I think we have enough removal to deal with it but that's just me.

[EVO KAI]

True...

I'd still like to get my hands on it if it's real. I could care less about it's protection status...I'm more interested in the rest of it's abilities. Lot's of potential.

[Mage Master]

Soul Warden is in M10.

http://www.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/photo.php?pid=7246674&id=201120755306&ref=nf

[Iggy]

Facebook has been just as good as salvation in my opinion atleast with M10 stuff

[a-slice-of-cake]

I still refuse to believe Lightning Bolt until I see it.

Lightning Bolt.dek? In my Standard?

[Mage Master]

Yes, in our Standard.

[Dunjohn]

Howling mine stays?!?!?! WOO!

It hasn't been confirmed. Only the coloured cards have been confirmed in or out. I'm splitting the sixteen cards up this way because I think including those eight in the XBox game was a secret spoiler by WotC. I'd so love to be proven right on that. That mtg thread says Wrath is out, though. I'll keep posting this list until it's proven directly wrong (probably through Arcana Survivor).

Bolt is 100% confirmed. It's actual fact now. MaRo's even asked for opinions on that on twitter.

And yeah, that angel is nuts.

[NoirLamia]

I am not liking the new WoG...

At all!

[Mage Master]

Ponder is back apparently.

[The God Of Envy]

so is the foil gonna be like 50 now that its in a larger set i know lorwyn ones were 30 lkast time i checked


and wheres the stuff for me yall know i cant touch salvation whats this angel and new wog u speak of

[NoirLamia]

Baneslayer Angel 3WW
Creature —Angel M
Flying, first strike, lifelink, protection from Demons and from Dragons
Some angels protect the meek and innocent. Others seek out and smite evil wherever it lurks.
5/5
Greg Staples
Card Nbr: 4


Planar Cleansing 3WWW
Sorcery R
Destroy all nonland permanents.
Michael Komarck
Card Nbr: 24

[Iggy]

I dont think they would get rid of wrath but the new one is just about as good.

[Mage Master]

The new one hits Planeswalkers.

[The God Of Envy]

that wrath is offical i heard some r and rumblings about a new vengeance for awhile now and cores usually have a card that either is pro 2 creatures or kills 2 two creatures

[NoirLamia]

Yea it hits Planeswalkers and all but it costs 2 more to play, in order for me to think it's a good Wrath substitute it needs to be cheaper. I would love to see one that only destroys all creatures.. or exiles them for the next two turns or whatever. The key point is still keeping it to cost 4 glorious mana.

[Mage Master]

You do have to consider that Standard might not be as fast as it has been post rotation. I doubt that they've printed these cards with the current Standard format in mind.

[NoirLamia]

That is true, although the Cascade mechanic will fight that.

[a-slice-of-cake]

If Wrath is gone, I'm gonna be POed. I just traded to get my playset.

[NoirLamia]

If Wrath is gone, I'm gonna be POed. I just traded to get my playset.

Me too :O Actually I bought 2 off eBay and traded for two. Remember Wrath still is a Wrath, they will see Standard play again! Most likely in M11.

[Iggy]

Maybe if white starts to get less good cards but if they keep printing things that make white balanced then a worse wrath will most likely be printed again.

[NoirLamia]

Yea I guess White deserves this since they have Path and Silence is pretty good too.

[Iggy]

Exactly and if they gave us wrath then white would have a VERY unfair advantage in my opinion especially with white knight and all of the other white knight cards they have printed it could get pretty insane.

[NoirLamia]

The angel is also a good addition to White's arsenal (if it's real).

Although Wrath is probably not coming back now, I am still very excited for M10. My girlfriend said she would buy me a box, and you can't argue with that :D

[Iggy]

Although Wrath is probably not coming back now, I am still very excited for M10. My girlfriend said she would buy me a box, and you can't argue with that :D


That be sweet if I could get my girlfirend to do that.

[pat460]

O wow no wrath, rules changes, this set just keeps getting better and better?
/sarcasm

[Iggy]

The rule changes really arent that bad and I wish people would quit complaining like they did at sixth ed.

[Eternity]

Baneslayer Angel 3WW
Creature —Angel M
Flying, first strike, lifelink, protection from Demons and from Dragons
Some angels protect the meek and innocent. Others seek out and smite evil wherever it lurks.
5/5
Greg Staples
Card Nbr: 4


Planar Cleansing 3WWW
Sorcery R
Destroy all nonland permanents.
Michael Komarck
Card Nbr: 24

Are those confirmed? I like both of them; Planar Cleansing leads me to believe that Wrath won't be in M10. My girlfriend hates the Angel; kills her deck. lol

Can anyone sum up the last three pages of this thread? What's been confirmed and everything? Salvation still won't load on these computers and I don't wanna wait another 4 days to figure all this out.

[EchoIsWin]

;_________________________________;

What have you done now? You've gone and made Heroic cry.

I'm over here trying to read up the info on the days I've been gone, and as soon as I get the small joy of having Siege-Gang coming back, I come back to my playset of Wraths being made useless? D:

Breaking my heart.

[Eternity]

If Wrath isn't in M10 and everyone's all upset, I'll take your Wraths. I have all kinds of use for them!

[Mage Master]

Same here, I'll cut you a decent deal on them.

[EchoIsWin]

Thanks for the comfort guys D:

In all seriousness though, I wish the DualLands extended to more colors. I want a R/W one :<

[Eternity]

Perhaps in the future, enemy-color duals will be introduced. Right now, I want things to shift back to mono-color and dual-ally-color decks.

I mean it though; I'll give good deals on Wraths. I need a few and a couple sets from y'all would be nice.

[EchoIsWin]

I'd be willing to trade 'em if they're not in.

I will say this, though:

Wrath of God >>> Planar Cleansing

[Mage Master]

facepalm.jpg

How exactly?

[Eternity]

I'd say Wrath of God = Planar Cleansing.

Yes, Wrath costs 2 less and hits creatures faster. But Cleansing hits everything that isn't lands. Creatures, artifacts, enchantments, planeswalkers. That means that any deck that uses White now has an answer to enchantments and things that those decks couldn't normally deal with. I think that's pretty nice.

And think of it this way: Wrath may or may not be in M10, BUT THERE ARE FORMATS OTHER THAN STANDARD. Think about that for a moment.

[Mage Master]

Planar Cleansing hits Bitterblossom. Consider that for a second.

[Eternity]

And everything that Bitterblossom makes, in addition to a ton of other things. Planar Cleansing is good.

[EchoIsWin]

BUT THERE ARE FORMATS OTHER THAN STANDARD.

Ludicrous.

I do see your points, though. Fine. I alter my previous statement to:

Wrath of God > Planar Cleansing

I'd still much prefer WoG in my deck.

Oh god, if Glorious Anthem isn't in here, I'll faint D:

[The God Of Envy]

planar cleansing= functionally akromas vengeance

[Eternity]

To a degree, yes. Rather than Cycling, it hits Planeswalkers and is slightly less splashable.

[EVO KAI]

Ludicrous.

I do see your points, though. Fine. I alter my previous statement to:

Wrath of God > Planar Cleansing

I'd still much prefer WoG in my deck.

Oh god, if Glorious Anthem isn't in here, I'll faint D:

Lol...yeah, that's the one I'm waiting for.

[NoirLamia]

There was rumors about Crusade being brought back...

I prefer Glorious Anthem, as I'm sure most other people do as well.

I also have reconsidered my side for the WoG vs Planar Cleansing war. Yes I do have my playset of Wraths, but in all honesty I would pay 2 more mana to wipe walkers, artifacts, and pesky enchantments.

I won't be pissed to pull it as my pack rare. I wonder what they will be priced around.

[ReiverDemon2007]

I love the Angel. It seems like another great card. Oh, crap my fiance is going to want four of them. Maybe that is because that favorite Dragon (Bogardan Hellkite) is coming back.

I'm actually glad that Wrath of God may not be coming back. I know that it is an Iconic card that has been around in standard for a long time, but it is time that WOG takes a break from Standard.

I just hope that Glorious Anthem is still going to be around. But I guess time will tell.

[Eternity]

Just to crush everyone's hopes and dreams, I hope Glorious Anthem isn't reprinted. I don't see it being run anywhere anyway, so why bother? I mean, it's not like you'll be able to use it in your post-cycle Kithkin decks. :p

[NoirLamia]

Here is a list of everything that happened on MTGSalvation yesterday/today if you are unable to view it. I believe all of the new cards spoiled from mtgfrance.

Reprints:
Ponder
Soul Warden
Bogardan Hellkite
Negate
Cancel
Wall of Bone

New Cards:

Harm's Way W
Instant
uncommon
The next 2 damage that a
source of your choice would
deal to you or a permanent
you control this turn is dealt
to target creature or player
instead.

Elite Vanguard W
Creature - Human Soldier
uncommon
2/1

Essence Scatter 1u
Instant
Common
Counter target creature spell.

Baneslayer Angel 3WW
Creature - Angel
Mythic
Flying, first strike, lifelink,
protection from Demons and
from Dragons
5/5

Planar Cleansing 3WWW
Sorcery
Rare
Destroy all nonland permanents.

Gargoyle Castle
Land
Rare
Tap: Add 1 to your mana pool.
5, Tap, Sacrifice Gargoyle Castle:
Put a 3/4 colorless Gargoyle artifact
creature token with flying onto the
battlefield.

[EVO KAI]

Sorry, but I truly hope they don't remove Glorious Anthem for Crusade. Even if it cost 1 less, it still sucks pumping up your opponents creatures as well.

And considering mono colors are going to be more dominant with future releases...who's to say white winnies still won't be powerful.

[Eternity]

Pretty good stuff all around. Elite Vanguard is a nice WW card.

WW in Standard is only as good as Zendikar and M10 make it. You never know what WotC will do with the new sets.

[NoirLamia]

Yea, Elite Vanguard is the new Savannah Lions but uncommon. Makes me happy :)

[EVO KAI]

Exactly...and all the more reason to to keep Glorious. I'm just really hoping White gets alot of solid winnie support considering alot of it's power is rotating out soon.

And by looking at some of the White cards that have been shown so far. It's looking good. :)

[Eternity]

White Weenie has been around for 2 years in the form of Kithkin. You can't honestly tell me you're sick of seeing it or playing it.

[NoirLamia]

I am sick of the Kithkin creature type, I would have loved to see a reprint of Savannah Lions straight up. This is good though, keep making the 1 cost 2/1s and I will be happy.

[EVO KAI]

I'm confused...no one mentioned being tired of Kithkin. I only stated that most the powerful winnie cards will be rotating out soon, and hopefully there will still be good winnie support in this and future releases. And with that, hopefully seeing Glorious stick around to help support even more. :confused:

Even with other creature types...soldiers, rebels, knights, clerics & humans. All great possibilities.

[Eternity]

I'm confused...no one mentioned being tired of Kithkin. I only stated that most the powerful winnie cards will be rotating out soon, and hopefully there will still be good winnie support in this and future releases. And with that, hopefully seeing Glorious stick around to help support even more. :confused:

Even with other creature types...soldiers, rebels, knights, clerics & humans. All great possibilities.

I'm pretty sick of everything from Lorwyn ultra-block. I mean, seriously, I've been facing the same deck types for a year and a half now and I'm sick of it. Sick of Faeries, sick of Kithkin, sick of all that crap. I want M10/Zendikar to bring in something new and interesting, not the same lame crap I've seen week-after-week-after-week without relent.

No one's saying it, but I'm sure I'm not the only one thinking it.

[NoirLamia]

I personally love Glorious Anthem and think it deserves to stay. I also want to see Clerics make a comeback!

[EVO KAI]

And I would love to see Rebels make a comeback. I still remember my Rebel decks from way back when...oh, such good times. Lin Sivvi anyone. And Rishadan Port? Broken!

I never played Kithkin, so no need to start now...but I do love winnie decks, and I'm truly hoping we get some cool cards to continue playing them.

[Eternity]

White Weenie is a fun deck type. But I want it to take a well-deserved break from Standard for a while. It took a break between Time Spiral and Lorwyn, I think it should take a break between Zendikar and about one or two more blocks after that.

[NoirLamia]

Deadly Recluse 1G
Creature - Spider
Common

Reach, deathtouch
1/2

Source: Aaron Forsythe Twitter

[Eternity]

Not bad at all. I guess that means Thornweald Archer isn't making it into M10..

[EVO KAI]

Yeah, breaks are good. I took a break from Magic completely at around Mirridion and didn't come back until Conflux. Problem was, there were sooo many good cards I missed out on. :(

That spider is very nice.

[Eternity]

That's what the other formats are for. ;)

Play Extended for a while, you'll catch up pretty quickly.

[EVO KAI]

Yeah, but I was exiled. :p

I've actually been thinking about extended for a while now but it can be pretty hard to find older cards than newer cards sometimes.

[Mage Master]

That Spider is going straight into my Tribal deck.

[Eternity]

Yeah, but I was exiled. :p

I've actually been thinking about extended for a while now but it can be pretty hard to find older cards than newer cards sometimes.

....I lol'd at the lamest pun ever.

Wait until Onslaught cycles; bye bye Fetchlands, hello slower format! It'll be more fun. Finding the older cards can be tough unless you visit our "glorious sponsors" (or PM me and ask when I buy my singles >.>).

[NoirLamia]

I am hoping for a whole pile of cards once it hits 12 o'clock :)

[EVO KAI]

Yeah, but I was exiled. :p

I've actually been thinking about extended for a while now but it can be pretty hard to find older cards than newer cards sometimes.

....I lol'd at the lamest pun ever.

Wait until Onslaught cycles; bye bye Fetchlands, hello slower format! It'll be more fun. Finding the older cards can be tough unless you visit our "glorious sponsors" (or PM me and ask when I buy my singles >.>).
Lol... I know, but I couldn't help it. :p

I'll think of a deck type see what I need. Anything goes in Extended right?

[Mage Master]

No, you're thinking of Vintage and to a lesser extent Legacy.

[Eternity]

Right now, Alara block through Onslaught block, 10th, 9th and 8th are Extended format. This October, 8th and Onslaught leave and M10 and Zendikar come in.

[EVO KAI]

Ahh, ok...thanks for clearing that up. Wow, lot's of choices. I've been wanting to use Blinding Angel for a while now. ;)

[EchoIsWin]

Crusade would make my Mono-white a bit stronger...

[Eternity]

Ahh, ok...thanks for clearing that up. Wow, lot's of choices. I've been wanting to use Blinding Angel for a while now. ;)

It's still Ext legal for a while.

Crusade would make my Mono-white a bit stronger...

Yours and your opponents'. Always fun to watch something like that unfold.

[EchoIsWin]

It's like all the cool stuff I JUST got a playset of is now going to be extended, and now I need a plethora of new stuff.

Still hoping for some nice R/W stuff.

[Mage Master]

Welcome to the joys of Standard. You guys should really take up Legacy. >.>

[EchoIsWin]

Welcome to the joys of Standard. You guys should really take up Legacy. >.>

Something non-Standard? Ludicrous. Don't try to Obama us.

In all seriousness, I would never do Legacy, as it requires a lot more spending power and the cards just seem a lot less exciting to me.

Plus, I love staying up late waiting for spoilers with you guys =D

[Eternity]

It's like all the cool stuff I JUST got a playset of is now going to be extended, and now I need a plethora of new stuff.

Still hoping for some nice R/W stuff.

You mean, "is going to continue to be Extended".

But hey, if you don't wanna play Extended and Standard, I'll gladly take the Extended stuff off your hands. >.>

Welcome to the joys of Standard. You guys should really take up Legacy. >.>

Or Extended. Either one is fine.

[The God Of Envy]

no legacy is where its at as compared to 1-2 years ago its really got a diverse field

[NoirLamia]

Goblin King is out and a new card spoiled from Evan Erwin of StarCityGames

Master of the Wild Hunt 2GG
Creature Human Shaman
At the beginning of your upkeep, put a 2/2 green Wolf creature token onto the battlefield.

Tap: Tap all untapped Wolf creatures you control. Each Wolf tapped this way deals damage equal to it's power to target creature. That creature deals damage equal to it's power divided as it's controller chooses among any number of those Wolves.

3/3

http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?p=4011132#post4011132

EDIT: It's a Mythic of course :)

[The God Of Envy]

and its broken this plus wolf skull shaman plus other shamaans like the good l/m ones seems like a viable extended deck

[Eternity]

Goblin King is out and a new card spoiled from Evan Erwin of StarCityGames

Master of the Wild Hunt 2GG
Creature Human Shaman
At the beginning of your upkeep, put a 2/2 green Wolf creature token onto the battlefield.

Tap: Tap all untapped Wolf creatures you control. Each Wolf tapped this way deals damage equal to it's power to target creature. That creature deals damage equal to it's power divided as it's controller chooses among any number of those Wolves.

3/3

http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?p=4011132#post4011132

EDIT: It's a Mythic of course :)

I'm in love with this card. Is an art available yet?

[NoirLamia]

I'm in love with this card. Is an art available yet?

Yes, and Kev Walker illustrated it. I will upload it in a sec.

[EchoIsWin]

Hahahahaha.

This card looks fun.

[Eternity]

Much appreciated. That's a pretty mean potential-board-sweeper.

[NoirLamia]

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a232/DeceivedEnvy/06262009erwin2-1.jpg

I can see GW tokens becoming a hotter deck type.

[Eternity]

[sees art] I want 9 of them!

Now if only the Wolves were 1/1...stupid Sigil Captain. Play that in Casual with Howl of the Night Pack and start sweeping the board.

[The God Of Envy]

i cant tell whether its a guy or a girl but wither way thats a hot card and shamanism.dek here i go

[Eternity]

It's an old man. Looks like a viking or something.

[sees the snow in the art and prays for Snow lands returning..and Skred]

[NoirLamia]

Skred would be awesome!

And it's a guy..long beard gave me that clue.

EDIT: Yes a new Zombie Lord!!!! Will upload in one second, I am so excited now!

[Eternity]

[points to signature] Skred would make me wanna stay in Standard. But I know it won't happen. Because WotC hated Coldsnap and therefore by association, me.

[NoirLamia]

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a232/DeceivedEnvy/06262009smith1.jpg

I think I wet my pants...

[EVO KAI]

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a232/DeceivedEnvy/06262009erwin2-1.jpg

I can see GW tokens becoming a hotter deck type.

Ahh, the art is epic. Multiples in play would be devastating. I'm surprised they didn't make him a legend. He certainly fits the bill.


EDIT: Wow, that zombie is sick. All the tokens it pumps out will be 3/3. :eek:

[Eternity]

How can I put this delicately...I ******* love that card!

[NoirLamia]

Anyone notice the zombie? xD

It is the reason why I am now buying loads of M10

[Justmcnew]

Would've been nice If Master of the Wild Hunt wasn't a Mythic, they're such a pain to get ahold of for me compared to regular rares and uncommons. As for Cemetery Reaper, seems to have good combo potential...

[undercoverlucky]

Anyone notice the zombie? xD

It is the reason why I am now buying loads of M10

Nuu, I wanted to upload it XD

[a-slice-of-cake]

That card looks awesome. Go Wizards!

EDIT: I was referring to Hunt dude, but sick Zombie, too!

[Eternity]

Remember this: neither the human nor the zombie are legendary creatures. :eek:

[undercoverlucky]

*Adds x4 Cemetery Reaper into Zombie deck*

[EVO KAI]

Remember this: neither the human nor the zombie are legendary creatures. :eek:

Yeah, I'm surprised the Hunter isn't.