The Official HeartGold and SoulSilver General Discussion Thread

[grim mouser]

It's confirmed- Nintendo is remaking Gold and Silver!

http://www.pokemon.co.jp/info/game/g090508_01.html

http://gonintendo.com/?p=81780

We'll likely get a new forum for discussion in a while.

[pfaithful]

well this stinks, i can't read japenese. i should have bought rosseta stone when i had the chance. i am still hyped up about these games. can't wait to see if there are any big changes. i hope they will keep the majority of the game the same but add a few minor details, like pokemon from 3 and 4th generation( if you can call that minor)

[grim mouser]

http://translate.google.com/translate_t?hl=en#

Huzzah!

[Exo]

Hooray!

I know I'm definitely going to get one of these games.

[pfaithful]

not very much information on this game is there? when is it being released in the us i wonder?

[Near]

Well, it was just announced, so no.

Also, Fall09 for Japan, I assume early 2010 for us.
I'm not gonna import this time, though. Not likely, at least.

[Killer_Nacho]

I'm just going to post the links I posted in the other thread for reference.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lq9Xt3FJH80

A video of Pokemon Sunday announcement. You can see the 16-second clip that the screenshots on Serebii are from, as well as listen to the remixed music for New Bark Town, which sounds great IMO! Also the wind blowing through New Bark town is a neat effect, so make sure you pay attention to it.

Pre-release pictures of the game can always be found here:
http://serebii.net/heartgoldsoulsilver/pics.shtml

Anyway, I think it would be silly to import this game. I mean, after all, the main purpose of the remakes is to enjoy the games again. I think one would enjoy it more if it was in your native language. I'll defiantly be waiting until the US release to get these.

[grim mouser]

TMD12 said he read the release would be May 15, 2010 for the U.S. Not sure where he got this, though.

[Near]

Unlikely. But maybe we can get a release date at E3?

[pfaithful]

man, don't know if i can wait that long. also the wind blowing through new bark town is a neat effect, and the music is out of this world!

[redshift71388]

TMD12 said he read the release would be May 15, 2010 for the U.S. Not sure where he got this, though.
May 15th!? That's like in five days! And one whole damn revolution around the sun to boot. I suppose it makes sense, since it was just announced, but this is the game(s) I've been excited for since FireRed and LeafGreen.

[Near]

May 15th!? That's like in five days!
Um, do you know what the concept of "years" is?
That's 370 more days. Ew, let's hope not.
man, don't know if i can wait that long. also the wind blowing through new bark town is a neat effect, and the music is out of this world!
Yeah, the wind effect was really neat. Weather conditions ftw.
Remixes of the best music in Pokemon evar = win.

[redshift71388]

Um, do you know what the concept of "years" is?
That's 370 more days. Ew, let's hope not.
Aspersions! I don't want to make you look like a fool because I know you're actually intelligent, but you should read the next sentence after that.

May 15th!? That's like in five days! And one whole damn revolution around the sun to boot.

Anyway...changes I predict or hope for, other than the obvious updates in gameplay and whatnot:

- GS Ball and Celebi.

- New TMs given by Gym Leaders.

- New Move tutors to make up for the fact that Generation II TMs are different, the way they did in FireRed and LeafGreen. Although...I think a lot of the Gen. II TMs were reissued as TMs in Gen. IV, so all-new move tutors would be cool.

- A Johto Dex and a National Dex.

- The Fame Checker (I don't know why that was dropped).

- Latios and Latias will roam Johto.

- A few Crystal-only features, such as the female character, Dratini from the Dragon's Den, the Ruins of Alph expansion, the Battle Tower and hopefully an early Sneasel.

- Kurt's Poké Balls come back.

- Someone who teaches Frenzy Plant, Blast Burn, Hydro Cannon and Draco Meteor.

- A move relearner that's actually in the game.

There are more things, I'm sure.

[Near]

Aspersions! I don't want to make you look like a fool because I know you're actually intelligent, but you should read the next sentence after that.

How benevolent of you! What a magnaminous act!


Anyway, I'm wondering about the HMs. Will whirpool remain one?

[Blue Sea Dragoon]

- GS Ball and Celebi.

I'll be surprised if this doesn't happen. The GS Ball can be easily distributed by Wi-Fi, allowing the Celebi event to take place.

- New TMs given by Gym Leaders.

Some of them need new TMs, since some of the TMs they gave out are no longer available.

- New Move tutors to make up for the fact that Generation II TMs are different, the way they did in FireRed and LeafGreen. Although...I think a lot of the Gen. II TMs were reissued as TMs in Gen. IV, so all-new move tutors would be cool.

I'm sure there will be new move tutors along with old TM move tutors (like Headbutt, the elemental punches, ect).

- A Johto Dex and a National Dex.

We need a definite Johto Dex, including all new evolutions and pre-evolutions of G/S Pokemon, plus a couple of Hoenn and Sinnoh Pokemon. It needs to be varied like the Platinum Sinnoh Dex is.

- The Fame Checker (I don't know why that was dropped).

One of my favorite items in FR/LG. I am looking forward to seeing it back.

- Latios and Latias will roam Johto.

I'm sure Latios will roam Johto in HeartGold, and Latias in SoulSilver.

- A few Crystal-only features, such as the female character, Dratini from the Dragon's Den, the Ruins of Alph expansion, the Battle Tower and hopefully an early Sneasel.

I'm hoping they include Eusine somehow, even if Suicune doesn't have the main spotlight. The Odd Egg and Buena's Password are also some Crystal-only features I want back.

- Kurt's Poké Balls come back.

Agreed.

- Someone who teaches Frenzy Plant, Blast Burn, Hydro Cannon and Draco Meteor.

There was a "Pokemon Seer" in Cianwood City (Crystal-only) that told you were you caught your Pokemon, what level, or the name of its original trainer. Since all of this now appears on the Pokemon's data page, she could easily become the move tutor for these moves.

- A move relearner that's actually in the game.

This could be added easily, too. Also in Cianwood City, there was a Pokemon Photographer, that with the GameBoy Printer, would allow you to print pictures of your Pokemon or whatever. I don't see this coming back, so he could be replaced.



Additional Comment:

Anyway, I'm wondering about the HMs. Will whirpool remain one?

The Gen 3 HMs were used in FR/LG, so I doubt it. It'll be a move tutor move that can be used outside of battle.

The only HM I see that could be useless is Defog, and they could easily put some fog somewhere to make use of it.

[Near]

Yes, but considering HMs cannot be traded anyway, keeping it within G/S wouldn't pose a problem.
And unlike flash, it is 100% needed.

Unless they'll redesign Lugia's lair with Defog in mind or something? Could be cool.

Also, Latios/Latias - I think they should be according to your gender.

[Blue Sea Dragoon]

Yes, but considering HMs cannot be traded anyway, keeping it within G/S wouldn't pose a problem.
And unlike flash, it is 100% needed.

Good point.

Unless they'll redesign Lugia's lair with Defog in mind or something? Could be cool.

That would make more sense than sticking fog on a random route.

Also, Latios/Latias - I think they should be according to your gender.

And that's actually a pretty cool idea. I hadn't thought of that.

Additional Comment:

Now that trainers have their own names, I hope the Rocket Executives keep their manga names (Keane and Chermaine).

[Jolteon]

Totally missed this thread, this is freaking awesome!

I liked the names DuskGold and DawnSilver better though, but who cares...

[redshift71388]

Anyway, I'm wondering about the HMs. Will whirpool remain one?
Well thinking back on the last remakes, the HMs were almost the same, but the ones that weren't part of the originals also weren't necessary for the main quest. The only Gen. III HM that was plain not there in FireRed/LeafGreen was Dive. So, perhaps Rock Climb and Defog will be obtainable after the main quest is over.

Whirlpool is a good question. Though having different HMs across different games in the same generation isn't a big deal. I would say places like the Whirl Islands just wouldn't be the same without the whirlpools.

And then of course there's Rock Smash, which was a TM and can simply be upgraded to an HM from the guy on Route 36 and removed from the Goldenrod shopping list.

On a different note, Headbutt is something I really don't know how they'll handle. Because in the new video of Gold walking around New Bark Town, I didn't see any small trees (though they only showed a small part of the town). And of course the obvious, Headbutt isn't a TM anymore. My best guess is that they will just borrow the Honey concept from Diamond/Pearl and put a Honey tree on most routes. Personally I liked the concept of Headbutting better (despite spending literally 90 minutes searching for a Heracross and finding a shiny Aipom beforehand instead).

[Jolteon]

I wonder if Kanto will still be accesible after beating Johto, I kinda wish they'd make Hoenn the extra region, since thats not a remake yet.

Also, I wonder if these games will be solely for teh DSi...

[Killer_Nacho]

Taken from the "other thread":

My guess is that the GS Ball will end up being a Wi-fi event sooner or later. Some predictions that I have for this game:

- Lugia and Ho-Oh will be moved to version exclusives. In the originals, they were limited to not being able to obtain their signature move in the opposite version (Scared Fire for Ho-oh, Aeroblast for Lugia)... plus they'll want to get more sales, this move makes sense to me.

- There will be a new side-quest like the Sevi islands. I have a bad feeling that this side quest will replace Kanto, but I hope not.

- Either the cell phones will be added to the Poketech, or the Pokegear will act like the Poketech did in D/P/P.

- Curse and elemental punch move tutors! Epic win!

- Of the gym leaders in Gold and Silver, some of the prize TMs no longer exist. This is Falkner, Bugsy, Chuck, Pryce, and Clair. I believe that they will be replaced by:

Falkner - Maybe Roost? Aerial Ace seems too powerful at this point in the game.

Bugsy - U-Turn makes sense here (a toolbox bug type move, like Fury Cutter), but maybe Silver Wind or X-Scissor... although those two might be too powerful for that point in the game, too.

Chuck - Focus Punch, most likely. Seems like the right candidate to replace Dynamicpunch.

Pryce - Probably Avalanche, but there is an outside chance it could be Blizzard.

Clair - Dragon Pulse seems to be the logical choice to replace Dragonbreath.

Whitney (Attract), Morty (Shadow Ball), and Jasmine (Iron Tail) will all most likely retain their TM moves.

- The game will use Gold/Silver plot and most of the features will resemble Gold/Silver, but there may be some things from Crystal added (like the Battle Tower). Don't expect the Battle Frontier, though.

- The game should be probably be slightly expanded. Lance's Dragonite maxs at level 50, what? That's more than 10 levels lower then his Dragonite in Red/Blue/Yellow!

[redshift71388]

- Lugia and Ho-Oh will be moved to version exclusives. In the originals, they were limited to not being able to obtain their signature move in the opposite version (Scared Fire for Ho-oh, Aeroblast for Lugia)... plus they'll want to get more sales, this move makes sense to me.
Although an interesting idea, I find that unlikely to the point where I can conformably say that just won't happen. Here's why: Version exclusive Legendary Pokémon in Gen. III and IV shared the same location. Both Groudon and Kyogre lived in the Cave of Origin, and both Dialga and Palkia were found on Spear Pillar. This wasn't the case in Gold/Silver, where Ho-Oh and Lugia each had their separate homes. It would be silly to include both areas in one game and have nothing worthwhile inside each. And removing the area altogether seems far too drastic.

[Jolteon]

I never got either of the legendaries in the old games, never could find em.
It'd be nice to have them in an easier accesible area this time around.

[Exo]

I wouldn't think about making them Version Exclusives, but I'm gonna take account of Diamond and Pearl.

If it were to happen, I think don't think I could see why, because in Gold and Silver, you had the two new Legendary Birds, plus the three Legendary Beasts. In DPP, you had a Version Exclusive Dragon (at Spear Pillar), plus Giratina (at Turnback Cave, and the three Emotion Pokemon.

Two Dragons had seperate homes... I doubt it will happen with HG and SS.

[redshift71388]

Also, I wonder if these games will be solely for teh DSi...
That would make me cry and hate Nintendo.

I never got either of the legendaries in the old games, never could find em.
It'd be nice to have them in an easier accesible area this time around.
And take away the challenge and fun of going through a long dungeon to get them, as was done with pretty much every other Legendary Pokémon since? Nonsense!

You could argue Moltres's location change in FireRed/LeafGreen, but at least Victory Road already had its own purpose and didn't really need a Legendary Pokémon in it (unlike Seafoam Islands and the Power Plant).

[Jolteon]

Caves and dungeons are boring and aren't worth the time and trouble.

If and when they make a pokemon game just for the DSi, that'll be when I get the DSi.

[Exo]

lol.

*goes back to RBY, finding Articuno*

Good times...

I just hope I'll have better luck this time around, fighting Whitney and her Miltank's Attract and Rollout... ugh...

[Jolteon]

Whitney's miltank was a pain the ass to beat. It took me like 10 tries to beat it.

[Exo]

Same here. But I think I'm gonna do something way early in the game this time to counter that...

Pick up a female Totodile. :D

[redshift71388]

Caves and dungeons are boring and aren't worth the time and trouble.
Well that's just...opinion. Besides, if you consider what I said about Moltres, it's safe to assume they will still be in their original spots.

[Jolteon]

I just wish that the dogs won't be roamers in the remakes, I'd love to be able to actually get an Entei this time without searching through grass.

[Exo]

But did you end up catching it eventually?

I didn't like this concept either, but I guess it was for the challenge factor, seeing as we only got one Master Ball.

I hope Suicune isn't a roamer. He is awesome. And I'm restarting my Crystal Version right now.

[redshift71388]

I just wish that the dogs won't be roamers in the remakes, I'd love to be able to actually get an Entei this time without searching through grass.
Man, you seem to want everything toned down... Roaming Pokémon became a staple after Gold/Silver, so don't count on it. In fact...expect even more roaming Pokémon...

Well the only problem I have with the roaming concept is that you're pretty much screwed for getting the nature you want.

[Jolteon]

I never caugth any of the dogs, no.

I restarted my silver when the first remakes were announced, got through it, and then it turned out to be rumors. I probably won't restart this time, since I already did, lol.

[redshift71388]

I also wonder...will there be a Pal Park...

[Jolteon]

Doubt it. I predict that it will be as similar to GS(C) as much as possible.

[redshift71388]

Doubt it. I predict that it will be as similar to GS(C) as much as possible.
Well Pal Park is more or less necessary to get some Pokémon. They included breeding in FireRed/LeafGreen. And I don't recall Chikorita walking behind you before.

[Exo]

I hope there'll be a Pal Park. Don't forget that they also had 7 Exclusive Islands with Johto Pokemon too.

I'm looking forward to seeing modern 4th-gen Kanto.

[Near]

Caves and dungeons are boring and aren't worth the time and trouble.

If and when they make a pokemon game just for the DSi, that'll be when I get the DSi.
Lolwut

Redshift - I hope to God headbutting will make it back, as unlikely as it sounds.

Also, what about north/south Shellos?

[Jolteon]

I doubt shellos will be in the game.

Headbutting was cool, but I too doubt it will make it back.

[redshift71388]

Also, what about north/south Shellos?
Ooh, that reminds me.. Wasn't there a third unused sprite for Shellos in the beta games? Perhaps Shellos will use this form if it is found in Johto.

Ah, here we are: http://www.unseen64.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/spr_4dp_423_beta.png

By the way, DanielSuperpoke. Your sig is too huge.

[Jolteon]

Your not a mod, so you have no right to tell me my sig is too large.

Anyway, I didn't know there was a 3rd sprite, and I still doubt it will be in the remakes.

[redshift71388]

Your not a mod, so you have no right to tell me my sig is too large.
A mod's right is to force you to change it. As a normal user, I have the perfect right to tell you you're violating the rules. I never said you had to change it. :rolleyes:

[0_0]

Maybe they would do what they did in Crystal; have both of them, but make them lose their signature move?

[Exo]

I think they should both keep their signature moves. But it'll probably be this way.

And for that Shellos form, wasn't it just a prototype for Shellos west, to evolve into Gastrodon?

Its coloration is similar to Gastrodon west.

[Near]

I doubt shellos will be in the game.

Headbutting was cool, but I too doubt it will make it back.
Well, post-league, anything's possible, like in FR/LG.
Your not a mod, so you have no right to tell me my sig is too large.

"Right"? It's a fact. The dimensions are what, 100x500? Yours is grossly over that.
You should be thankful he told you that before you lost your signature privileges.

[redshift71388]

I think they should both keep their signature moves. But it'll probably be this way.
Eh, it's not such a big deal now that there are move relearners. And I'm sure we'll get one in these games.

[grim mouser]

I've never seen that Gastrodon sprite before. o.O

What would it be- east/west...middle?

[redshift71388]

Another interesting detail to speculate over: Anyone who's used Oak's Letter to catch Shaymin in Diamond/Pearl/Platinum will see Oak say something about a white rock in Kanto similar to the one in Route 224. No such rock exists in Gen. I/III Kanto, which takes place three years before Gen. II and IV. If HeartGold and SoulSilver still allow players to return to Kanto, maybe we should be on the lookout for a white rock...

[grim mouser]

There was a white rock in Mossdeep (RSE)... *Shrug*

[Exo]

Isn't Headbutting almost the same as putting Honey on trees though?

... I'm not saying that I don't want it to come back though, it'll probably be like Dig or Flash. Oh, how fun it was to strike trees with Hitmontop. :D

[redshift71388]

There was a white rock in Mossdeep (RSE)... *Shrug*
That's true.. Maybe "Kanto" was a typo in Diamond/Pearl, unless it was also said in Platinum (which I do not know, as I haven't gotten around to hacking myself an Oak's Letter yet).

[Xonmeän]

Extremespeed Dragonite. Give me back my Extremespeed Dragonite. Oh, and Johto TM tutors would be cool. Curse tutor anyone?

[grim mouser]

Extremespeed NEEDS to come back. D=

[Xonmeän]

Curse + Extremespeed would put Dragonite back on the map! Dragonite is just about bulky enough to pull the set off... I hope.

[grim mouser]

Dragonite could get Curse?

[Xonmeän]

Yup, Dragonite could learn the Curse TM back in Gold and Silver... just about everything could it seemed. lol

[redshift71388]

If I recall, Curse (along with some others like Headbutt, Nightmare and Zap Cannon) were from TMs given by NPCs, and are no longer TMs. So they have a pretty good shot at becoming new move tutors. Of course, all I can do is hope and speculate. :(

And on a random note, I'd like to see a move tutor for Splash. That would just...make me all warm and fuzzy inside.

[Xonmeän]

That's what happened in Fr/Lg. All the old TMs that were no longer TMs were changed into move tutors. Since this is a remake, it's very likely the same will happen here.

My hope is that, unlike with Fr/Lg, that if the tutors return they would be multi use. My biggest gripe with the Fr/Lg tutors was that one use only thing.

[redshift71388]

That's what happened in Fr/Lg. All the old TMs that were no longer TMs were changed into move tutors. Since this is a remake, it's very likely the same will happen here.
Well I think only the ones that were given by other people. Which makes sense because if you're going to remake a game with updated TMs, those people have to do something. Things like Razor Wind and Water Gun didn't turn into move tutors because you could just pick them up off the ground.

[Xonmeän]

Well I think only the ones that were given by other people. Which makes sense because if you're going to remake a game with updated TMs, those people have to do something. Things like Razor Wind and Water Gun didn't turn into move tutors because you could just pick them up off the ground.

Seismic Toss, Thunder Wave, Explosion, Body Slam, and Swords Dance were all found on the ground in R/B/Y, yet returned as tutors.

The tutors for Mega Punch, Mega Kick, Rock Slide, Substitute, Double-Edge, Explosion, Body Slam, and Swords Dance weren't even located at the same place as their R/B/Y counterparts. The new tutors can easily be placed in arbitrary locations, there's no requirement for having to have them be where they were originally found, with the obvious exception to those that were actually given by NPCs.

The TMs that didn't return as tutors were either already a TM, or useless. Frankly, I'm glad there wasn't a Water Gun tutor. Who would use it? And the logic for why there wasn't a Selfdestruct tutor was because there was already an Explosion tutor.

[grim mouser]

And on a random note, I'd like to see a move tutor for Splash. That would just...make me all warm and fuzzy inside.

How many Pokes even learn it? ._.

[Xonmeän]

How many Pokes even learn it? ._.

Magikarp and... Hoppip?

EDIT:Just double checked. Here's the list.

Magikarp
Hoppip
Azurill
Wailmer
Spoink
Wynaut
Feebas
Buneary
Clefairy
Poliwag
Horsea
Delibird
Mantyke
Luvdisc
Finneon

And all the corresponding evolution lines.

[0_0]

Magikarp and... Hoppip?

EDIT:Just double checked. Here's the list.

Magikarp
Hoppip
Azurill
Wailmer
Spoink
Wynaut
Feebas
Buneary
Clefairy
Poliwag
Horsea
Delibird
Mantyke
Luvdisc
Finneon

And all the corresponding evolution lines.

You forgot about Mew and Smeargle.

[redshift71388]

You forgot about Mew and Smeargle.
It was the current list, so Smeargle yes, but Mew no.

I just think Splash being widely available to more Pokémon would be...funny.

[Xonmeän]

Mew? Smeargle yes, but I don't believe Mew can learn Splash unless it uses Transform, which doesn't really count.

[redshift71388]

Forme changes in these games? Do you guys think there will be a location to change Deoxys in, the new Unown variants will be found in the Ruins of Alph, and the games will be compatible with the new formes of Giratina, Shaymin and Rotom? I say yes for all.

[Blue Sea Dragoon]

Hey redshift, I forget, what was your old username?

The new Unowns will most definitely be found in the Ruins.

[redshift71388]

Hey redshift, I forget, what was your old username?
Darkpaladin of Chaos.

[PhoenixZeroW]

Schweet !

[Near]

Isn't Headbutting almost the same as putting Honey on trees though?

... I'm not saying that I don't want it to come back though, it'll probably be like Dig or Flash. Oh, how fun it was to strike trees with Hitmontop. :D
Except you didn't have to wait like, 6 hours for a Pokemon.

You'd just sit there, relaxing all cool, headbutting some tree outside of the school, when a couple of Pokes that were up to no good, started making trouble in your neighborhood. You'd get into one little fight and your mom would get scared and tell you "you're moving with your auntie and uncle in Bel-Air".
Extremespeed Dragonite. Give me back my Extremespeed Dragonite. Oh, and Johto TM tutors would be cool. Curse tutor anyone?
Yes and very yes.

[redshift71388]

You'd just sit there, relaxing all cool, headbutting some tree outside of the school, when a couple of Pokes that were up to no good, started making trouble in your neighborhood. You'd get into one little fight and your mom would get scared and tell you "you're moving with your auntie and uncle in Bel-Air".
Oh, I would sig that if it were shorter.

[Near]

Replying to Xon's old reply since he wanted me to:

the only point that G/S/C has for any of these is that it did them "first". While that point is true, having done something first does not automatically make something better, it only means that it did it first. From here on the only thing that can improve is the quality of these features, and each generation more or less improved them.

This is what's called the "Zelda argument".
Basically, what Ocarina of Time was back then is nothing today, yet it is considered by most fans to be the "best" in the series.

The thing is, a game is considerably less impressive if it just adds some neat stuff on top of the old cake.
I was underwhelmed by Ru/Sa's addition to the single player.

Yes, it included the new G/S/C stuff [For the most part] AND added some stuff on top, but it was stuff I'd already seen before, and in the end, were I to review both games upon completion, I'd rate G/S/C twice as high.

If you wanna go all "technical" on me, then yes, TECHNICALLY speaking, Platinum has the most features.
Compared to G/S/C, there's not that much lost compared to what's gained.

However, I still enjoyed G/S/C more, and revisting it in this remake is bound to bring some nostalgia back.
It will be the combination of all that's new AND the G/S/C missed out stuff, so even in the technicalities department it wins.

And besides, even if we factor in all the technical stuff, I still think the G/S/C stuff that was original to it could still be more important to me than what has been new since.
16 badges, of course, headbutting, [srsly it is awesome] time events, Lugia and Ho-Oh and their dungeons, your ass of a rival, the music, atmosphere, etc.

TL;DR - I look at G/S/C as an experience compared to its time, and not at how it has aged.
Of course, compared to today's game, the content is, for the most part, incomparable, but back when it was the most groundbreaking one and it did give the most satisfying experience with its, what were then new mechanics.

This is also where SS and HG can fix things - they can make the games relevant again by updating to the modern stuff introduced in Ru/Sa/E/D/P/P while retaining the original G/S/C elements that were since lost, making it Ze Ultimate Pokemon Experience.



P.S - http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/921/miltank.jpg
Sweet graph detailing G/S/C's difficulty.

[Xonmeän]

Replying to Xon's old reply since he wanted me to:

Much appreciated. You're one of the most fun people to converse with on this forum. ^.^

TL;DR - I look at G/S/C as an experience compared to its time, and not at how it has aged.

This is the crux of our differing opinions on the subject. You look at a game's worth compared to its time, and for its time Gold and Silver are fantastic games. In this instance, I am not looking at this game as compared to its time. When it comes to deciding which Pokemon game is "best", I feel it is necessary to take the stance of comparing the current day quality of the content, rather than comparing the worth of the game for its time. And even when it comes to the more subjective decision of which game is my "favorite", I still tend to prefer to suspend as much personal bias as possible, including my initial reactions to the games. That's simply my way.

Every person has a different experience with these games, so each person will have a different perspective on what makes these games good.

P.S - http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/921/miltank.jpg
Sweet graph detailing G/S/C's difficulty.


Okay, this made me chuckle a bit. As a kid that Miltank was surprisingly challenging.

This is what's called the "Zelda argument".
Basically, what Ocarina of Time was back then is nothing today, yet it is considered by most fans to be the "best" in the series.

Well, this is rather off-topic, but I don't think Ocarina of Time is the best. That distinction in my mind goes to Majora's Mask, sadly this is not the place to explain why that is. ^.^

Besides, Pokemon is Pokemon, Zelda is Zelda. While the argument may be similar, the execution is different... and besides, Zelda doesn't have competitive play.



p.s. Despite all I have said, G/S/C has the best Rival to date. Silver was amazing not just because he was even more arse than Blue, but because he had actual character development, a true rarity in Pokemon games.

[redshift71388]

Haha, am I the only one that didn't have that much trouble with Whitney's Miltank, because I took advantage of the in-game trades and got myself a Machop from the Goldenrod Department Store?

[Near]

This is the crux of our differing opinions on the subject. You look at a game's worth compared to its time, and for its time Gold and Silver are fantastic games. In this instance, I am not looking at this game as compared to its time. When it comes to deciding which Pokemon game is "best", I feel it is necessary to take the stance of comparing the current day quality of the content, rather than comparing the worth of the game for its time. And even when it comes to the more subjective decision of which game is my "favorite", I still tend to prefer to suspend as much personal bias as possible, including my initial reactions to the games. That's simply my way.

I guess that's pretty much all there is to say, then.
If you wanna look at it in an "unbiased" way, one that's not affected by nostalgia or that does not factor in the "thrill" of it, then yes, on paper Platinum looks to be the best, and SS/HG are set to top that.

However, as an experience, G/S was the best. And even in terms of dialogue/landscape/etc, I found it to be just as or more entertaining than Plat.

[redshift71388]

I've just read that supposedly the Honey concept was originally going to be used in Gold/Silver but dropped in favor of Headbutting. But considering the latest games in the series did the opposite, it may be bad news to Headbutt fans if Nintendo felt in the end that Honey trees were a better idea. I still hope they'll see Headbutting for its originality and what made Gold/Silver stand out and include it.

[Near]

I've just read that supposedly the Honey concept was originally going to be used in Gold/Silver but dropped in favor of Headbutting. But considering the latest games in the series did the opposite, it may be bad news to Headbutt fans if Nintendo felt in the end that Honey trees were a better idea. I still hope they'll see Headbutting for its originality and what made Gold/Silver stand out and include it.
That sucks. It's actually very likely, but oh well.
I tried to see if you could spot the headbuttable trees in New Bark, but they were too far down to see...

Anyway, if anyone wants to just see the "gameplay" and stuff, and not the whole sunday show lalala:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4DDps8bHDo

[Bastion]

Im wondering will this be compatible with D/PP or Pal park and i hope they keep the Red Gyrados event.

[Jolteon]

1. As to whether its compatible with DPPt, it depends on if they knew they'd be making it when they made DPPt. I know that sounds like a no, but you'd be surprised how much they plan ahead.
2. I'm sure they'll keep the red gyarados event, I mean, its involved in the big Team Rocket thing, so it'd be lacking without it.

Speaking of Team Rocket, I look forward to beating them again. I wonder if they'll change their storyline any, or if they'll keep it the same. If they change it, that'd give them reason to cut out the red gyarados. But I doubt they'll do either.

OMG, just remembered, Slowpoke Well is in Johto! Can't wait to go there again!

[grim mouser]

I always wanted to buy the Slowpoke Tails.

[Jolteon]

Same here. Maybe I can when I use my AR to get Max Money, lol.

But seriously, how are we supposed to get that much money?

p.s. Grim, can you tell me if my sig is too big? Its only 227x250, but it looks big still. Please let me know.

[grim mouser]

IIRC they were 9800 each.

[Jolteon]

Wow. Care to answer my p.s.?

[grim mouser]

56750 > 50000

Larger area-wise.

[Jolteon]

Ugh. Should I remove it?

[Lil Yugi]

1. As to whether its compatible with DPPt, it depends on if they knew they'd be making it when they made DPPt. I know that sounds like a no, but you'd be surprised how much they plan ahead.


Someone here hacked D/P when they first came out and discovered that the list of possible areas that your pokemon would come from included Johto, so yeah, they knew it was comming.

[Jolteon]

Which it has to be talking about the remake, since you have to use another region to get it to DPPt. Which would say, make it from kanto, and not johto.

YAY!

[Kevin_Olbrysh]

Sweet. My only problem is deciding whether I want Gold, Silver, or Both!

[redshift71388]

1. As to whether its compatible with DPPt, it depends on if they knew they'd be making it when they made DPPt. I know that sounds like a no, but you'd be surprised how much they plan ahead.
That doesn't really matter. They didn't plan ahead for the metal games when they made the original color games, yet all three were compatible with them. HeartGold and SoulSilver just need to be made into something the other Gen. IV games already recognize.

[An_Epic_Name]

So does your Pokemon follow you around the whole time? If so that is gay.

[Lil Yugi]

I'm guessing the starter will only follow you around until you finish the first quest to and from Mr. Pokemon's house, since the pokemon's not officially yours until after that.

[Exo]

I hope not. I'd like to see the final stage of the starters follow you around.

They did it way back in Yellow Version with Pikachu, I don't see why not.

[PhoenixZeroW]

I hope not. I'd like to see the final stage of the starters follow you around.

They did it way back in Yellow Version with Pikachu, I don't see why not.
pikachu never evolved.

[redshift71388]

So does your Pokemon follow you around the whole time? If so that is gay.
What a retro insult... Fool.

[MasterChief1]

So my petition did work. lol. Its been a while since I was here.

[Near]

So does your Pokemon follow you around the whole time? If so that is gay.
Actually, it's hella straight. Pokemon yellow was awesome.

[Blue Sea Dragoon]

I've been thinking of what the Gym Leaders' Pokemon should be if they happen to tweak them for the remakes. I hope it's something like this:

- Falkner
Hoothoot, Skarmory

- Bugsy
Butterfree/Beedrill, Yanma, Scyther

- Whitney
Aipom, Clefairy, Miltank

- Morty
Haunter, Shuppet, Misdreavus, Gengar

- Chuck
Primeape, Heracross, Poliwrath

- Jasmine
Magneton, Mawile, Steelix

- Pryce
Dewgong, Sneasel, Glalie, Piloswine

- Clair
Dragonair, Altaria, Dragonair, Kingdra


I was thinking they could give Jasmine a Foretress, but I don't think it really fits her.

[Shatter]

pikachu never evolved.

You could trade it, evolve it, trade it back and it would still follow you as a Raichu (though it still had a Pikachu sprite).

[redshift71388]

I've been thinking of what the Gym Leaders' Pokemon should be if they happen to tweak them for the remakes. I hope it's something like this:
Hmm, personally, and this is simply my opinion, I don't think their rosters would change, because of how the Gen. I remakes handled that. But I would certainly welcome some form of Gym Leader rematches with bigger and badder teams. I really liked Platinum's idea of the Battleground. And hey, now these remakes will have a fairy useless building up for grabs in Veridian City that they could use for such a thing, since Mystery Gift doesn't work the same way anymore.
Whitney should use Arceus. Wait, what...?
You could trade it, evolve it, trade it back and it would still follow you as a Raichu (though it still had a Pikachu sprite).
That's false. It would not follow as Raichu. I did that a dozen times. I can say with 100% certainty that if you trade and evolve the starter Pikachu and then trade it back, it will not follow you. However it will still have the Pikachu sprite within the party. But...so would any other Raichu, so that's nothing special.

[Near]

I've been thinking of what the Gym Leaders' Pokemon should be if they happen to tweak them for the remakes. I hope it's something like this:

- Falkner
Hoothoot, Skarmory

- Bugsy
Butterfree/Beedrill, Yanma, Scyther

- Whitney
Aipom, Clefairy, Miltank

- Morty
Haunter, Shuppet, Misdreavus, Gengar

- Chuck
Primeape, Heracross, Poliwrath

- Jasmine
Magneton, Mawile, Steelix

- Pryce
Dewgong, Sneasel, Glalie, Piloswine

- Clair
Dragonair, Altaria, Dragonair, Kingdra


I was thinking they could give Jasmine a Foretress, but I don't think it really fits her.
Skarmory? Seriously?
That's way too broken for early game. You're screwing Chikos completely,and only the other starters can actually do anything to it.
[Early game means a crapton of tackles and jazz like that]

Skarmory is something that he should have in rematches, like in Emerald.

I do think they need to buff up the levels and just give him a HootHoot/Pidgey/Murkrow team or something.

Morty can't be done, Shuppet is 3rd gen.
Same with Mawile, Glalie and Altaria. Not sure why you think 3rd gen stuff will be in the in game pre-league.

So +Fortress for Jasmine and -Mawile. Pryce might get a Delibird or something, though it's kinda absolute crap.
Clair is screwed unless they let her have stuff like Gyarados that's not dragon by type, but hey, it worked for Lance.

Anyway, even if they don't undergo team redesigns [Disappointing] then at least buff up the levels by a lot.
I want Red by the endgame to have a lv100 Pikachu or something.

[Lord Satan]

I want Red by the endgame to have a lv100 Pikachu or something.


I'd buy both games for this reason alone if it happens.

[Blue Sea Dragoon]

Leaked CoroCoro info is out.

Seems like the starter following you is not only until you deliver Mr. Pokemon's egg to Professor Elm, seeing as there as screens showing it following you in Azalea Town.

Also, the area cutscenes from FR/LG are back.

Finally, there seems to be a new female player replacing Crystal. I don't know how I feel about this. I was looking forward to her.

Oh, and it seems an event featuring the Pikachu-colored Pichu and Notched-Ear Pichu happens within Ilex Forest.

Additional Comment:

And taking a closer look at the Ilex Forest screenshot, I don't see and Headbutt-able trees.

I think they're gone for good.

[redshift71388]

Well Gold's new design is pretty cool. He looks more...youthful. I can't figure out if he's wearing a Pokétch or a PokéGear. I kind of wanted the PokéGear back...

And this Pichu nonsense better not replace the other Ilex Forest event we've all been hoping for, or I'll be a little disappointed.

[Xonmeän]

Ew, that new female trainer model is ugly. I miss the old one. I think I'll choose the male trainer this time around.

[Blue Sea Dragoon]

Well Gold's new design is pretty cool. He looks more...youthful. I can't figure out if he's wearing a Pokétch or a PokéGear. I kind of wanted the PokéGear back...

No, that's definitely a PokeGear.

[redshift71388]

I forget, in the originals, were you able to get the version mascot before challenging the Pokémon League? My memory of Gen. II is mostly from Crystal so I don't remember those details about Gold/Silver.

[Near]

I forget, in the originals, were you able to get the version mascot before challenging the Pokémon League? My memory of Gen. II is mostly from Crystal so I don't remember those details about Gold/Silver.
Yes. As soon as you were done with the rocket business, meaning 7th badge, iirc.

[redshift71388]

By the way, maybe it's possible we can still Headbutt. Maybe they condensed all the small trees in a given area into a special tree much like with the Honey trees. Does that sound too farfetched...?

[Near]

Sounds kinda http://guidesmedia.ign.com/guides/9846/images/farfetchd.gif to me.

[redshift71388]

I was waiting for that...

How can Pichu be...Pikachu-colored? Pichu are already Pikachu-colored... :confused:

[Near]

Pichus are lighter. Their shiny forms are more orange and jazz like Pikachew.

[grim mouser]

Crystal > new model...

[FlareWingman]

Finally news about new remake games of gold and silver....can't wait for the games.

[AnalystDuelist]

Anyone else hoping that when you team up with Lance at the Rocket's Base, there'll be a chance for a few two vs. two matches? I was hoping for that the first go around.

Also, just thinking out loud, maybe once obtaining the National Dex, maybe two more trainers could appear at the Eevee battling house, packing a Leafeon and Glaceon.

[Xonmeän]

Anyone else hoping that when you team up with Lance at the Rocket's Base, there'll be a chance for a few two vs. two matches? I was hoping for that the first go around.

Also, just thinking out loud, maybe once obtaining the National Dex, maybe two more trainers could appear at the Eevee battling house, packing a Leafeon and Glaceon.

Actually, now that we have double battles this is entirely plausible.

Also, I'm sure they're going to pull a National Dex on us like they did with Fr/Lg, meaning no 3rd or 4th gen Pokemon until much later in the game.

[redshift71388]

Anyone else hoping that when you team up with Lance at the Rocket's Base, there'll be a chance for a few two vs. two matches? I was hoping for that the first go around.
You were hoping for something introduced in Emerald back when you were playing Gold/Silver? :confused:

[Jolteon]

He could still hope for a double battle, he didn't know it wasn't till Emerald. The first time you play a game, you have no idea what was involved.

[Exo]

Notched-ear Pichu and Pikachu-colored Pichu?

I hope they bring this event to the US. :)

[Jolteon]

I'm sure they will, but I'm not too excited about it.

[Near]

Shiny Pichu is awesome.

[Lord Satan]

Sounds kinda http://guidesmedia.ign.com/guides/9846/images/farfetchd.gif to me.

Lol that was funny. But seriously wonder if they kept the old chase the Farfetch'd game. It was fun cahseing my favorite pokemon while leveling up for Whitney.

FARFETCH'D!!!!!!!!!

Crystal > new model...

Agreed.

[redshift71388]

Lol that was funny. But seriously wonder if they kept the old chase the Farfetch'd game. It was fun cahseing my favorite pokemon while leveling up for Whitney.

FARFETCH'D!!!!!!!!!

People, calm down. We've had no evidence for or against the removal of that part of the games whatsoever. They're remakes of the originals, so it'll be (like 99% likely) in there.

[Lord Satan]

People, calm down. We've had no evidence for or against the removal of that part of the games whatsoever. They're remakes of the originals, so it'll be (like 99% likely) in there.

Unless its Nintendos goal to kill everything we knew and loved about the GSC series.

[redshift71388]

Unless its Nintendos goal to kill everything we knew and loved about the GSC series.
Well considering the only reason they are making HeartGold and Soul Silver is because of the massive outcry for Gen. II remakes since FireRed and LeafGreen happened, or in other words because it is a gift to the fans, I don't think that is their goal.

[Exo]

It's looking good so far, aside from the fact that Crystal has been replaced. :(

I guess the only thing that would make me mad now is the removal of Kanto. But I'm sure that isn't at all likely to happen.

[MonsterOfTheLake]

=D

That's all I have to say.

[PhoenixZeroW]

Wonder what the pichu event is ?

[Senru]

I'm so happy I can cry. I remember my 6 birhtday unwarping my Game boy Advance and then finding that my Grandmother had bought me Silver version. I played that game ever second of my life from 6-8 until the concpet of pokemon finally clicked in my head and I finish the elite four and went on to the kanto region only to lose the game and then find it many years later ith all my save data deleted. I can't wait for this remake now I don't even want to play my platinum anymore.

[food9279]

I'm buying SoulSilver as soon as it comes out!!!

[Near]

Well considering the only reason they are making HeartGold and Soul Silver is because of the massive outcry for Gen. II remakes since FireRed and LeafGreen happened, or in other words because it is a gift to the fans, I don't think that is their goal.
Well, it certainly isn't their goal, but so far some design choice were... bizzare.
If you wanna make a remake to please the fans, you make it as faithful as possible to the original with extra content.

Up until now, it seems headbutt has been kicked out, there's a new female trainer, your Pokemon suddenly decided to follow you, there's some movie promotion event...

While I'm not complaining about any of those except for the first, it's not exactly a faithful remake per se, so I'd say that even minor stuff like Farfetch'd might not be such a shoe in.
[Though really, why would they remove it?]

[Senru]

Wow wow wow, How do you know for certain that our starter pokemon follow us?

[Near]

Wow wow wow, How do you know for certain that our starter pokemon follow us?
I don't know... Maybe from the three pics from different places in the game we got?

Have you... checked anything about the game? At all?
http://www.pojo.biz/board/showthread.php?t=699874

[0_0]

I think their goal is to just earn money.

[Near]

A company whose goal is to rack in money... Preposterous!

[Senru]

Sorry dude I been going on bulbapedia and was really paying that much attetion to the picture. WHy did they have to add something from yellow to Gold and Silver....

[Near]

No idea, though I highly approve.
Maybe there were a lot of requests for it?

Anyway, I've heard a fair shair of complaining about it... I think it's great.
Gives much more of a sense of an adventure and bonding with your Pokemon.
Just... it will be kinda creepy if they still follow after evolution.
I mean, like, a huge ass Meganium following you around? Eh.

Maybe the sub-plot here is that as their basic form, they're afraid of Pokeballs or something?

Or maybe they won't evolve, like Pikachu in yellow.
http://www.dramabutton.com/

[redshift71388]

WHy did they have to add something from yellow to Gold and Silver....
Because Yellow rocked? When they put it in the Amity Square, no one complains...

[PhoenixZeroW]

the starter only follows u around till u get the egg from mr. pokemon.

[redshift71388]

the starter only follows u around till u get the egg from mr. pokemon.
False. First of all, that's a pretty specific thing to pretend to know about when we know virtually nothing about the game. And secondly the opposite of that is one of the few things we actually DO know. We have seen screenshots from as far as the Slowpoke Well showing that the starter is still following Gold.

[Xonmeän]

Not true. The Corocoro scans clearly have the starters following in locales that are not related to the opening routes and towns.

EDIT: Geez redshift, ya beat me to it. lol

[PhoenixZeroW]

pokebeach says otherwise.

[redshift71388]

pokebeach says otherwise.
Ok? I don't care if the guy from the Dos Equis commercials said otherwise. Verifiable proof trumps all. Just look (http://archives.bulbagarden.net/w/upload/2/2e/HGSS-Corocoro.jpg)!

And secondly, I just went to PokéBeach and there is nothing there that gives credit to your claims. Maybe you'd like to show me your source, since I did.

[MonsterOfTheLake]

Kill the lying infidel!

[Lord Satan]

Kill the lying infidel!

Grabs my torch and pitchfork.

[Shatter]

Or maybe they won't evolve, like Pikachu in yellow.
http://www.dramabutton.com/

This would be terrible. I was OK with Pikachu never evolving in Yellow, but I really hope they don't do that to your starter in HG/SS. It would drive me crazy to have a Chikorita, Cyndaquil or Totodile forever.

[AnalystDuelist]

Hopefully the Pokegear will also have room for more phone numbers in it this time. I always remembered storing numbers to be a pain:

"Ok, keep X because of that particular swarm. Keep Y because of the stone gift. Keep Z for a rematch" Stuff like that. Maybe the Vs. Seeker will return to help with the rematches though.

[redshift71388]

I'm betting that the PokéGear will be like a Pokétch with a different name and design. Even the original PokéGear was just like a Pokétch with much fewer "applications" (or cards). So there may be more PokéGear cards to find this time.

I certainly hope the mom bank returns. That really helped me store up enough money for a Porygon.

Additional Comment:

Oh, it looks like the main menu will be shown in the touch screen instead of popping up with the X Button. Serebii's main page has a picture.

[FlareWingman]

I wonder if we'll be able to transfer d/p/p pokemon over on to these games or not...

will be interesting.

[Exo]

Very likely. But most likely not until after beating the E4.

[redshift71388]

I wonder if we'll be able to transfer d/p/p pokemon over on to these games or not...

will be interesting.
It's already been pretty much proven that you can, since Johto location data appears in Diamond/Pearl/Platinum. The games wouldn't be part of the main series otherwise. You can't expect them to cram all 493 Pokémon into these games.

[Calvo819]

anyone who complains about Kris not being in the game is a ***.

Its a REMAKE, not a PORT.

isnt it enough that japan is even letting us have these games?

[redshift71388]

anyone who complains about Kris not being in the game is a ***.

Its a REMAKE, not a PORT.

isnt it enough that japan is even letting us have these games?
Yea, like there was ever any question that Japan would "let" us have these games...? Who the hell are you to tell people not to be upset about something? I'm not that angry over Krystal being dropped, because I'm choosing Gold anyway, but I can see why some people would be.

[Exo]

Don't they always let us have these games though?

[Near]

anyone who complains about Kris not being in the game is a ***.

Its a REMAKE, not a PORT.

isnt it enough that japan is even letting us have these games?
Huh... A, what's that BS about a remake VS port?
A port would mean the same game, a remake would be the same game with updates and additions, rarely omissions.

B, Kris wasn't even in the original games, so your whole "remake not port" argument is only more flawned.

C, Japan is doing wuuut?

[Senru]

Back on topic do we know anything about the ability to go to Kanto in HG and SS

[Exo]

There hasn't been any info on that yet...

But I have no doubt that they will bring it back.

[PhoenixZeroW]

Ok? I don't care if the guy from the Dos Equis commercials said otherwise. Verifiable proof trumps all. Just look (http://archives.bulbagarden.net/w/upload/2/2e/HGSS-Corocoro.jpg)!

And secondly, I just went to PokéBeach and there is nothing there that gives credit to your claims. Maybe you'd like to show me your source, since I did.
i found it somewhere...

[Senru]

I don't know they migt add some ghey island like they did in Firered and leefgreen

[Exo]

Come on, they weren't that bad. It was the only place where you could get Larvitar, and I guess that counts for an extra sidequest like the one in Gold and Silver.

[redshift71388]

i found it somewhere...
Yes, this reminds me so much of that time you insisted that King K. Rool was going to be in Brawl as a character/boss because of a video clip, after I kept pointing out you only saw a trophy. I'd have though that since then, you would have learned that whenever we get into a dispute, I always end up being correct. Pardon if that sounds arrogant, but I just can't understand how someone can be so adamantly stubborn because of their mistaken conception of evidence. I'll say this again: You are wrong. Show me evidence, or you are just full of nonsense.

I don't know they migt add some ghey island like they did in Firered and leefgreen
Those were the best part...

[PhoenixZeroW]

Yes, this reminds me so much of that time you insisted that King K. Rool was going to be in Brawl as a character/boss because of a video clip, after I kept pointing out you only saw a trophy. I'd have though that since then, you would have learned that whenever we get into a dispute, I always end up being correct. Pardon if that sounds arrogant, but I just can't understand how someone can be so adamantly stubborn because of their mistaken conception of evidence. I'll say this again: You are wrong. Show me evidence, or you are just full of nonsense.


Those were the best part...

dude, you're a jerk. i know i saw it somewhere. besides, that would be dumb, having the pokemon follow you the whole game.

[redshift71388]

dud, you're a jerk. i know i saw it somewhere. besides, that would be dumb, having the pokemon follow you the whole game.
Because I use common sense and logic in my arguments...? I've already shown you the scans of the starters following Gold in places like the Sprout Tower and Slowpoke Well. Why would you continue to argue after that? Wouldn't it click in your mind, "Hmm, evidently what I supposedly saw on another website is wrong..."? And I never thought they would follow you forever anyway. Since no evolved forms have been shown, it's possible the starters will stop following you once they evolve. But we don't know that much yet. What we know is from those magazine scans.

[PhoenixZeroW]

Because I use common sense and logic in my arguments...? I've already shown you the scans of the starters following Gold in places like the Sprout Tower and Slowpoke Well. Why would you continue to argue after that? Wouldn't it click in your mind, "Hmm, evidently what I supposedly saw on another website is wrong..."? And I never thought they would follow you forever anyway. Since no evolved forms have been shown, it's possible the starters will stop following you once they evolve. But we don't know that much yet. What we know is from those magazine scans.
because you're a ****** about stuff.

[redshift71388]

because you're a ****** about stuff.
Oh, jee, I guess I had never given that much thought...

I'd rather keep my intelligence and have you think of me as...whatever ****** is supposed to mean, than lose my ability to communicate sensibly.

[Calvo819]

Huh... A, what's that BS about a remake VS port?
A port would mean the same game, a remake would be the same game with updates and additions, rarely omissions.

B, Kris wasn't even in the original games, so your whole "remake not port" argument is only more flawned.

C, Japan is doing wuuut?



woops, i forgot about that lol

anyways, people everywhere are freakin out about it so much, i guess i kinda hopped on the bandwagon

(i apologize btw)

[Near]

dude, you're a jerk.

You know, from like, a year and more of observations, I'd have to say YOU'RE the jerk.
Seriously, you keep getting into these stupid arguments with people, me included, where you make an absolute ass of yourself then swear at everyone like an angry thirteen years old.

[To remind you, you even had the balls to send me a flaming PM, then claim I was "harassing" you when I sent you a more polite one back.]

i know i saw it somewhere. besides, that would be dumb, having the pokemon follow you the whole game.
Had you actually SEEN it, then somebody else would've, and it would've already been up on the major sites.
Fact is, it's not, and it's been over twelve hours since you made that claim, meaning it's false.

Besides, as redlove pointed out, pictures show that you're followed by the starters much later on in the game.

And finally, what would be so "dumb" about them following you around forever?
Pikachu did that.

TL;DR - You're just like those kids who'd claim they saw Pikablu!! for realz and then flame everyone for being logical about it.

Additional Comment:

http://www.true-gaming.net/tgupload/images2/0905132002db2506f9dafeebe2.jpg

New scans showing the bottom screen acting like the main menu.

[Kevin_Olbrysh]

Can't decide if I like the touch screen menu or not...

[Exo]

I probably will.

As long as they revamp the PokeGear to make it feature more features.

[xansur]

i heard that not only starters can folo you

"By: fenzo666 - May 12th, 2009

New CoroCoro scans have been leaked on Japanese image boards and, as expected, they reveal new information regarding Pokémon Heart Gold and Soul Silver. Below is a list of some new features and other Pokémon HG/SS related news highlighted by CoroCoro:


Starter Pokémon are not the only Pokémon that will follow you in-game
New playable female character (not from Pokémon Crystal version)
Player`s Pokémon gear has been upgraded (possible camera addition)
Notch-eared Pichu confirmed in-game (Pikachu-Colored Pichu interacts with this Pichu in a possible in-game event)
More Wi-Fi features to be added
Sprout Tower and Slowpoke Well remodeled
New Pokémon Sugimori art revealed
CoroCoro hints at Kanto`s return
Not Confirmed: Skateboard key item in-game (like bike) and September 11th 2009 release date in Japan"

Additional Comment:

heres the pic, it looks like pichu is following you...

http://www.projectpokemon.org/mirrors/images/corocoro_ghss%20(5).jpg

[Kisame8988]

New pokemon? Any pics?

[xansur]

New pokemon? Any pics?

what do you mean?

[Kisame8988]

"New Pokemon Sugimori art revealed"

That is what I'm talking about.

Edit: nevermind, I'm stupid.

[redshift71388]

Not Confirmed: Skateboard key item in-game (like bike) and September 11th 2009 release date in Japan"
I've seen this floating around a few other sites. But from what I gather it has no source at all. Just "some guy on a Japanese board". I call BS.

The rest is old news. We've had those pictures on the first page of the screenshot thread for a few days now.

[xansur]

I've seen this floating around a few other sites. But from what I gather it has no source at all. Just "some guy on a Japanese board". I call BS.

The rest is old news. We've had those pictures on the first page for a few days now.

i agree, heres why...

By Serebii: "if you see a release date of September 11th and use of a skateboard in the game, that news is fake"

[Shatter]

Starter Pokémon are not the only Pokémon that will follow you in-game

Not Confirmed: Skateboard key item in-game (like bike) and September 11th 2009 release date in Japan"

What proof is there that more than just the starter will follow you? The only "evidence" I have seen that might justify this is the picture of the Pikachu colored Pichu event where the Pichu is standing next to the player.

Serebii says the skateboard and September 11 release date are both bogus info. With no support to back them I'd agree that they are both probably false.

[Near]

Skateboard jazz has already been busted.
Sucks, I liked that.

Also, that picture is just of two Pichus meeting.
I think I can even spot a cyndaquil behind the trainer..?

[xansur]

What proof is there that more than just the starter will follow you? The only "evidence" I have seen that might justify this is the picture of the Pikachu colored Pichu event where the Pichu is standing next to the player.



i really have no clue if its just the Starter following you only, but my gess is (just gessing, don't take it seriously) that maybe Pre-Evolved Pokemon can follow you, maybe you can put the Pokemon in like a Special Slot (just gessing), that would be cool tho^^

[Shatter]

I think the idea of a special slot where any Pokemon you put there will follow you around is really cool. That would be a welcome addition to the game in my opinion.

[xansur]

I think the idea of a special slot where any Pokemon you put there will follow you around is really cool. That would be a welcome addition to the game in my opinion.


if you go to http://www.projectpokemon.org/ its said that "Starter Pokémon are not the only Pokémon that will follow you in-game", it doesent say its "Not Confirmed", so thats why i said "maybe theres a slot you can put Pre-Evolved pokemon in" (all just a gess about the slot thing)

Additional Comment:


Also, that picture is just of two Pichus meeting.
I think I can even spot a cyndaquil behind the trainer..?

this pic??? http://www.projectpokemon.org/mirrors/images/corocoro_ghss%20(5).jpg i don't see a cyndaquil...

[Near]

Well, it just looks like there's something behind him.
Check by his right foot.

[xansur]

Well, it just looks like there's something behind him.
Check by his right foot.

i don't see anything...

Additional Comment:

heres a zoomed up pic of the pichu's http://i468.photobucket.com/albums/rr42/projectbreak/pokemonpokemonpokemon.jpg

[redshift71388]

Well, it just looks like there's something behind him.
Check by his right foot.
It's a Celebi! I think that's just his arm though.

[xansur]

It's a Celebi! I think that's just his arm though.

ahhhhhhhhh, i hate my life, i still can't see it!!, are we sure we can see anything..........?

[Shatter]

I don't see anything there either.

[xansur]

I don't see anything there either.


yeah, i don't think there is any, so i gess i might be right about the slot thing (at least i hope i am).

[Shatter]

Like I said earlier it would be a welcome addition in my opinion. I think it would be really cool if you could have a Pokemon follow you around again and it would be cooler if you could pick the Pokemon that follows you.

[xansur]

Like I said earlier it would be a welcome addition in my opinion. I think it would be really cool if you could have a Pokemon follow you around again and it would be cooler if you could pick the Pokemon that follows you.


mayee the first slot pokemon will, who knows well see later this year, theres going to be lots of stuff on youtube when the *** version comes out, can't wait :D

[Lord Satan]

Then how would they get something like Ho-oh or Rayquaza to follow you around and fit in small buildings?

[xansur]

Then how would they get something like Ho-oh or Rayquaza to follow you around and fit in small buildings?


earlier in the post i said, maybe pre-evolved pokemon can follow, i doubt that thay would make legendary pokemon follow you

[Lord Satan]

earlier in the post i said, maybe pre-evolved pokemon can follow, i doubt that thay would make legendary pokemon follow you

I'll hate this feature if only some Pokemno can follow you. And it would be even stupider than the Stater following you if its just pre evolveds following you. Either let all Pokemon follow you or none at all.

[Shatter]

I think letting all Pokemon follow you would be cool. I see your point about some being much to big to follow you, but I don't see why they couldn't just make the sprites all the same size. I mean in Yellow Pikachu was the same size as you when it should have be much smaller.

I would see how this might cause some issues though. They would have to have data for 493 Pokemon sprites plus if the Pikachu colored Pichu is any indicator they would also have to have alternate sprites for all shiny Pokemon. It might get a little out of control if we say all Pokemon can follow you.

[Exo]

Yeah, I agree. And if this were to be true, exactly how they might make Lugia or Ho-Oh follow the player is beyond me.

[xansur]

I would see how this might cause some issues though. They would have to have data for 493 Pokemon sprites plus if the Pikachu colored Pichu is any indicator they would also have to have alternate sprites for all shiny Pokemon. It might get a little out of control if we say all Pokemon can follow you.

this is why i think its pre-evolved pokemon only, or it might be just starters like bulbasaur, cyndaquil, pikachu ect

because i'm with Shatter, it will take WAAAAAAAAY to long, then we will be looking at a 2013 release date.

[Exo]

Like Amity Square?

I hope they don't postpone it at all. I think it should come out on the projected release date.

[xansur]

yes kind of like Amity Square

Additional Comment:

I think it should come out on the projected release date.


what release date, do thay have one?

[redshift71388]

ahhhhhhhhh, i hate my life, i still can't see it!!, are we sure we can see anything..........?
I said I just see his arm... You do see both arms right? And I hope you knew I was kidding about Celebi...

[xansur]

I said I just see his arm... You do see both arms right? And I hope you knew I was kidding about Celebi...


yeah, i know now, what do you think about the following thing, do you think its just starters, or Pre-Evolved Pokemon?

[0_0]

I think all of the Pokemon will be (or should be) allowed to follow.

All they need to do is to rip and resize some of the bigger legendaries from Pokemon Dungeon and do a little work to make it match the games' style.

[Exo]

It'd be kinda awkward to see Legendaries follow the trainer. The two birds are over 10 feet tall, and some 3rd Gen ones are larger. It'll probably be pre-evolved Pokemon...

*pictures Wailord following you around*

I think it's a good example in two ways. :D

[redshift71388]

I think only a select few "cute" Pokémon will be able to follow you, just like in Amity Square.

[xansur]

i really don't care about the pokemon following me anymore, i just hope they keep kanto

[PhoenixZeroW]

You know, from like, a year and more of observations, I'd have to say YOU'RE the jerk.
Seriously, you keep getting into these stupid arguments with people, me included, where you make an absolute ass of yourself then swear at everyone like an angry thirteen years old.

[To remind you, you even had the balls to send me a flaming PM, then claim I was "harassing" you when I sent you a more polite one back.]

Had you actually SEEN it, then somebody else would've, and it would've already been up on the major sites.
Fact is, it's not, and it's been over twelve hours since you made that claim, meaning it's false.

Besides, as redlove pointed out, pictures show that you're followed by the starters much later on in the game.

And finally, what would be so "dumb" about them following you around forever?
Pikachu did that.

TL;DR - You're just like those kids who'd claim they saw Pikablu!! for realz and then flame everyone for being logical about it.

Additional Comment:

http://www.true-gaming.net/tgupload/images2/0905132002db2506f9dafeebe2.jpg

New scans showing the bottom screen acting like the main menu.
Dude, i've seen u be a jerk to EVERYBODY.
And seriously, yellow was an anime gimmick. this time it would be dumb.

Additional Comment:

Oh, jee, I guess I had never given that much thought...

I'd rather keep my intelligence and have you think of me as...whatever ****** is supposed to mean, than lose my ability to communicate sensibly.
W/E. U don't have to be a jerk...

[redshift71388]

W/E. U don't have to be a jerk...
Probably not, but it didn't help that you made a bad first impression by annoying the hell out of everyone with your old account name, jennex.

[Blue Sea Dragoon]

Dude, i've seen u be a jerk to EVERYBODY.

He's never been a jerk to me. In fact, I haven't seen him being a jerk to anybody. He just knows what he's talking about, and that seems to annoy some people.

[PhoenixZeroW]

Probably not, but it didn't help that you made a bad first impression by annoying the hell out of everyone with your old account name, jennex.
So you're a jerk cause u don't like my name ? real mature.

Additional Comment:

He's never been a jerk to me. In fact, I haven't seen him being a jerk to anybody. He just knows what he's talking about, and that seems to annoy some people.
I've seen him plenty of times.

Additional Comment:

Back on topic. Apparently, the pichu event will either let u catch the notch-eared pichu, or give u access to the G/S ball. Maybe both.

[redshift71388]

So you're a jerk cause u don't like my name ? real mature.
Hahaha, noooo. Sorry, you misunderstood me. I meant, when you were named jennex, you annoyed everyone by spamming a lot and getting yourself temp bans repeatedly. I could care less about the name itself.

Back on topic. Apparently, the pichu event will either let u catch the notch-eared pichu, or give u access to the G/S ball. Maybe both.
Source?

[PhoenixZeroW]

Hahaha, noooo. Sorry, you misunderstood me. I meant, when you were named jennex, you annoyed everyone by spamming a lot and getting yourself temp bans repeatedly. I could care less about the name itself.


Source?
Big deal, if i get banned it's my fault. and I didn't spam. but w/e. just end this...

[redshift71388]

Big deal, if i get banned it's my fault. and I didn't spam. but w/e. just end this...
Fine, but I'd still like to know where you got that info about the Pichu event.

[PhoenixZeroW]

Fine, but I'd still like to know where you got that info about the Pichu event.
Either Serebii or Pokebeach, I forget. Oh, and so you don't have a hissy fit again, it's not 100% confirmed.

Additional Comment:

It was pokebeach.

[redshift71388]

Oh, so this:

In regards to the shiny Pichu that you can download for preordering a 12th movie ticket, "Pikachu-Colored Pichu," it is now confirmed that it will activate an event when transferred from Platinum to the games. The magazine says, "It looks like having Pikachu-Colored Pichu in your party triggers an event with Notched-Ear Pichu." So the Pichu will definitely be a special one like the movie Regigigas last year, which unlocked the caverns of the other Regis in Platinum. This information also confirms that the Notched-Ear Pichu will be in the games and is not just a movie-exclusive character. Considering that the event takes place in Ilex Forest, and this is just speculation, one of the Pichu might have something to do with the GS Ball.

As you can see, they call it pure speculation, which would be no different than you or I saying something like "I bet Latios and Latias will be in this game". You're right; it's not 100% confirmed. It's 0% confirmed.

[PhoenixZeroW]

Geeze, do you have to do that ? That's what I said. They mostly get stuff right anyways.

[xansur]

i heard from someone that there might be orange islands is this game, just so they can take away kanto, but i think hes lying

[Exo]

I doubt it, the last Anime concept in these games was Yellow Version.

I wouldn't want to take away Kanto for the Islands. There'd be a lot more to do with the original Kanto.

[MythEU]

Imo, they should make HG/SS with every single game zone linked. That would be epic win.

Kanto, Johto, Hoenn, Sinnoh and maybe Orre/Fiore etc.

Anyway, back to reality;

There's gonna be an interactive online ladder system hosted on the pokemon.com website; basically, your win/loss ratio, pokedex progress, played time etc., will be shown on the site. You can also host your own ladders of up to 50, and invite your DS friends and play them in a league type fashion. All results will be posted on the pokemon.com site.

[xansur]

Imo, they should make HG/SS with every single game zone linked. That would be epic win.

Kanto, Johto, Hoenn, Sinnoh and maybe Orre/Fiore etc.

Anyway, back to reality;



they might do something like this when there done with making pokemon, can't wait for it!!

Additional Comment:

I doubt it, the last Anime concept in these games was Yellow Version.

I wouldn't want to take away Kanto for the Islands. There'd be a lot more to do with the original Kanto.



like i said, i think hes lying, that would be a crap idea

[Lord Satan]

Imo, they should make HG/SS with every single game zone linked. That would be epic win.

Kanto, Johto, Hoenn, Sinnoh and maybe Orre/Fiore etc.

Anyway, back to reality;

This would be epic!!!!!!!!!!!

[Shatter]

Imo, they should make HG/SS with every single game zone linked. That would be epic win.

Kanto, Johto, Hoenn, Sinnoh and maybe Orre/Fiore etc.

Anyway, back to reality;

Agreed this would be amazing.

In my opinion they will never do this though. Ir ruins all their chances at making more money off of remakes like the ones we are speculating now.

[xansur]

all because of this remake, i restarted my crystal game, i wan't this game to come already, and serebii has all the pics from the game, here http://www.serebii.net/heartgoldsoulsilver/pics.shtml (i know we have all seen them, but now there all in one place)

[Near]

Hm, the clearer pic of the Ilex Forest meeting at Serebii's pretty much cleared my doubts... I guess I was seeing things.
Still, it's likely the starter is just behind the trainer, or something.

[Shatter]

It's also possible that in this scene the Pichu takes the place of your starter. Or it could be that the starter is behind Gold and we just cannot see it.

[Exo]

That can be assumed...

You know how you can fight Red in Mt. Silver?

It'd be a cool idea to have all of the past protagonists of these games fight the main character.

[Shatter]

That's a cool idea. Have a "super elite four" and be able to battle the protagonist from each of the four generations.

They'd never do it but they could replace the E4 after you beat whatever side quest is after Johto (be it Kanto or a new set of islands or both). The first person could be Red with all 1st gen Pokemon. The second could be Gold/Silver whichever one you are not with all 2nd gen Pokemon and so on through all the generations. Or it could go in reverse order (4th- 1st gen).

Like I said it will never happen but it would be sweet.

[redshift71388]

Or it could be that the starter is behind Gold and we just cannot see it.
No, because when a Pokémon follows you, it's always clearly visible behind your character's sprite. If there was a starter in that scene, we'd see it clearly.

[PhoenixZeroW]

the pkachu colored pichu activates an event in these games, while the arceus activates a platinum event. i hope they do the same thing when we get the next movie.

[redshift71388]

Now for some news: The official Japanese Pokémon site (http://www.pokemon.co.jp/game/ds/hgss/) has updated, and includes the name of the female character. Get ready for this...... it's Soul.

Additionally, it seems since the touch screen handles the main menu, the X and Y Buttons will be used with the PokéGear.

And finally, it's confirmed that the Pikachu-colored Pichu activates an event involving the Notch-eared Pichu, near the Ilex Shrine.

[Blue Sea Dragoon]

Now for some news: The official Japanese Pokémon site (http://www.pokemon.co.jp/game/ds/hgss/) has updated, and includes the name of the female character. Get ready for this...... it's Soul.

Expected. And I'm glad her default name is Soul and not something dumb.

[Exo]

Soul is a cool name. :D

Heh, different. I would've expected the reverse functions.

[xansur]

lol, soul sounds like she cuts herself, but i gess the name fits

[Exo]

How so? Soul doesn't sound emo-ish to me.

[Near]

So the guy is Heart mirite

[xansur]

How so? Soul doesn't sound emo-ish to me.


no, it just sounds like a name that a goth will give to them selfs, like theres a girl at my old school that named her self rain, because she cryed alot, but that has nothing to do with HG/SS, so bach on topic:D:D

[redshift71388]

So the guy is Heart mirite
He's still Gold, since he's the same guy from Gen. II. I guess they took this naming formula straight out of FireRed/LeafGreen.

[Near]

no, it just sounds like a name that a goth will give to them selfs, like theres a girl at my old school that named her self rain, because she cryed alot, but that has nothing to do with HG/SS, so bach on topic:D:D
I lol'd
He's still Gold, since he's the same guy from Gen. II. I guess they took this naming formula straight out of FireRed/LeafGreen.
I get to laugh at you for not picking up the joke this time!

mirite = Am I right? It's supposed to be sarcastic.

Though that's a great idea, and if I weren't going to name him Takeru, I'd go for Heart. [Maybe a subsequent playthrough]

[redshift71388]

I get to laugh at you for not picking up the joke this time!

mirite = Am I right? It's supposed to be sarcastic.

Though that's a great idea, and if I weren't going to name him Takeru, I'd go for Heart. [Maybe a subsequent playthrough]
Ooh..

I think Soul is kind of silly, but...Leaf grew on me, I'm sure I won't care eventually. I still recognize Kris as the one true Johto female character.

[xansur]

how much do you guys think the game will cost?, cause platinum was only 34.99 brand new, some guy said that the game is going to cost 4800 yen which is like 50$, so what do you guys think?

50$ or 35$?

[Near]

Japan has their games priced higher, which is why importing costs like x1.5

It will be 34.99, 39.99 top.

[xansur]

Japan has their games priced higher, which is why importing costs like x1.5

It will be 34.99, 39.99 top.



well the guy who said the price was 4800 yen, was the retard who said that there was going to be a skateboard in the game and a 9/11 release date, thats why i asked

Additional Comment:

how much is x1.5, like 5$ added on the normal price of 34.99?

[Near]

well the guy who said the price was 4800 yen, was the retard who said that there was going to be a skateboard in the game and a 9/11 release date, thats why i asked

Additional Comment:

how much is x1.5, like 5$ added on the normal price of 34.99?
x1.5 means it's half its own price in addition, meaning around the 52 for a 35 game.

[xansur]

x1.5 means it's half its own price in addition, meaning around the 52 for a 35 game.



so in math form 34.99 X 1.5 = 52.48?

Additional Comment:

so, if i wan't to import a game i have to add x1.5 to the normal price?, ok i got it^^

[Exo]

... That probably means that I'm going to wait until 2010.

[Kevin_Olbrysh]

Hopefully it's the same $35 as Platinum. I don't wanna pay $40 for a DS game, and especially not two DS games.

Anyways, still can't wait for this game. I want my Red Gyarados and Typhlosion to dominate the pokemon league again.

[Exo]

I don't want to either. That's why I'm waiting.

And I'm only planning on getting HeartGold.

[xansur]

i'm not importing the game if its going to cost 52$, i'm just going to wait for the american version in 2010

[redshift71388]

Hopefully it's the same $35 as Platinum. I don't wanna pay $40 for a DS game, and especially not two DS games.
The price isn't the issue for me, it's the fact that I won't be able to understand anything in the game if it's Japanese. But waiting is to be expected.

[xansur]

The price isn't the issue for me, it's the fact that I won't be able to understand anything in the game if it's Japanese. But waiting is to be expected.



lol, i completely forgot its not in english

[Kevin_Olbrysh]

The price isn't the issue for me, it's the fact that I won't be able to understand anything in the game if it's Japanese. But waiting is to be expected.

Yeah, that's a problem for me too. I have Pokemon Green for GBC, and I never realized it was all in Japanese until I played it. It's cool to have, but I never got past Viridian City.

Additional Comment:

I don't want to either. That's why I'm waiting.

And I'm only planning on getting HeartGold.

I'm planning on getting Heart Gold, but if I have extra money at the time I'm getting both, because I kinda want Lugia as well...

[Jolteon]

I'll probably get 2 HG's and 2 SS's.

[Shatter]

I'm probably going to get SS, maybe I'll get my wife HG as a gift so I can have both :)

Why get 2 of each Daniel?

[Jolteon]

I want both, my wife wants one, and my brother wants one.
So, I'll get both HG and SS, and then get a second copy of each to let them fight over who gets what. lol