Top 8 Israel National Championship 2009 Deck List

[MaromDeutsch]

Name: Ido Marcus
Deck: Twilight

Monsters: 27
Celestia, Lightsworn Angel
Celestia, Lightsworn Angel
Lyla, Lightsworn Sorceress
Lyla, Lightsworn Sorceress
Lyla, Lightsworn Sorceress
Lumina, Lightsworn Summoner
Lumina, Lightsworn Summoner
Lumina, Lightsworn Summoner
Garoth, Lightsworn Warrior
Wulf, Lightsworn Beast
Wulf, Lightsworn Beast
Wulf, Lightsworn Beast
Ehren, Lightsworn Monk
Jain, Lightsworn Paladin
Aurkus, Lightsworn Druid
Judgment Dragon
Judgment Dragon
Dark Armed Dragon
Chaos Sorcerer
Phantom Of Chaos
Plaguespreader Zombie
Honest
Honest
Honest
Necro Gardna
Necro Gardna
Necro Gardna

Spells: 12
Charge of the Light Brigade
Charge of the Light Brigade
Charge of the Light Brigade
Solar Recharge
Solar Recharge
Solar Recharge
Foolish Burial
Foolish Burial
Nobleman Of Extermination
Monster Reborn
Monster Reincarnation
Heavy Storm

Traps: 3
Beckoning Light
Beckoning Light
Crush Card Virus

Total Cards: 42

Extra Deck: 14
Red Dragon Archfiend
Colossal Fighter
Thought Ruler Archfiend
Stardust Dragon
Dark Strike Fighter
Black Rose Dragon
Goyo Guardian
Gaia Knight, The Force Of Earth
Tempest Magician
Magical Android
Avenging Knight Parshath
Doomkaiser Dragon
Gladiator Beast Gyzarus
Gladiator Beast Gyzarus

Side deck: 15
Gladiator Beast Darius
Gladiator Beast Darius
Gladiator Beast Bestiari
Gladiator Beast Laquari
Aurkus, Lightsworn Druid
Mystical Space Typhoon
Enemy Controler
Enemy Controler
Enemy Controler
Brain Control
Dust Tornado
Dust Tornado
Waboku
Waboku
Waboku


2nd
Name: Ziv Cohen
Deck: Chaos

Monsters: 22
Dark Armed Dragon
Gorz The Emissary Of Darkness
Caius The Shadow Monarch
Chaos Sorcerer
Card Trooper
Breaker The Magical Warrior
Sangan
Spirit Reaper
Mystic Tomato
Mystic Tomato
Dekoichi The Battlechanted Locomotive
Cyber Dragon
Ryko, Lightsworn Hunter
Ryko, Lightsworn Hunter
Cyber Valley
Cyber Valley
Dimensional Alchemist
Dimensional Alchemist
Necro Gardna
Junk Synchron
Junk Synchron
Plaguespreader Zombie

Spells: 11
Heavy Storm
Monster Reborn
Mystical Space Typhoon
Brain Control
Mind Control
Smashing Ground
Fissure
Allure Of Darkness
Allure Of Darkness
Scapegoat
Creature Swap

Traps: 7
Mirror Force
Torrential Tribute
Bottomless Trap Hole
Bottomless Trap Hole
Bottomless Trap Hole
Dimensional Prison
Dimensional Prison

Total Cards: 40


Extra Deck: 15
Red Dragon Archfiend
Colossal Fighter
Thought Ruler Archfiend
Stardust Dragon
Stardust Dragon
Dark Strike Fighter
Dark Strike Fighter
Psychic Lifetrancer
Black Rose Dragon
Goyo Guardian
Gaia Knight, The Force Of Earth
Magical Android
Magical Android
Hyper Psychic Blaster
Chimeratech Fortress Dragon

Side Deck: 15
Dust Tornado
Dust Tornado
Dimensional Prison
Thunder King Rai-Oh
Thunder King Rai-Oh
Light–Imprisoning Mirror
Light–Imprisoning Mirror
Light–Imprisoning Mirror
Nobleman Of Extermination
Nobleman Of Extermination
Nobleman Of Extermination
Lightning Vortex
Lightning Vortex
Return From The Different dimension
Kycoo The Ghost Destroyer


3rd
Name: Tomer Elad
Deck: Twilight

Monsters: 29
Celestia, Lightsworn Angel
Celestia, Lightsworn Angel
Celestia, Lightsworn Angel
Lyla, Lightsworn Sorceress
Lyla, Lightsworn Sorceress
Lyla, Lightsworn Sorceress
Lumina, Lightsworn Summoner
Lumina, Lightsworn Summoner
Lumina, Lightsworn Summoner
Garoth, Lightsworn Warrior
Wulf, Lightsworn Beast
Wulf, Lightsworn Beast
Wulf, Lightsworn Beast
Ehren, Lightsworn Monk
Aurkus, Lightsworn Druid
Judgment Dragon
Judgment Dragon
Dark Armed Dragon
Chaos Sorcerer
Phantom Of Chaos
Plaguespreader Zombie
Honest
Honest
Honest
Necro Gardna
Necro Gardna
Necro Gardna
Gorz The Emissary Of Darkness
Herald Of Creation


Spells: 11
Charge of the Light Brigade
Charge of the Light Brigade
Charge of the Light Brigade
Solar Recharge
Solar Recharge
Solar Recharge
Monster Reborn
Monster Reincarnation
Heavy Storm
Mystical Space Typhoon
Giant Trunade

Traps: 2
Beckoning Light
Beckoning Light

Total Cards: 42

Extra Deck: 13
Red Dragon Archfiend
Colossal Fighter
Colossal Fighter
Stardust Dragon
Stardust Dragon
Dark Strike Fighter
Black Rose Dragon
Goyo Guardian
Gaia Knight, The Force Of Earth
Gaia Knight, The Force Of Earth
Tempest Magician
Magical Android
Iron Chain Dragon

Side deck: 15
Lightning Vortex
Aurkus, Lightsworn Druid
Dust Tornado
Malevolent Catastrophe
Malevolent Catastrophe
Cold Wave
Cold Wave
Cold Wave
Threatening Roar
Threatening Roar
Threatening Roar
Trap Eater
Trap Eater
Bottomless Trap Hole
Bottomless Trap Hole



4th
Name: Marom Deutsch
Deck: Psynchro


Monsters: 21
Dark Armed Dragon
Gorz The Emissary Of Darkness
Caius The Shadow Monarch
Caius The Shadow Monarch
Chaos Sorcerer
Card Trooper
Breaker The Magical Warrior
Sangan
Spirit Reaper
Mystic Tomato
Mystic Tomato
Dekoichi The Battlechanted Locomotive
Cyber Dragon
Lyla, Lightsworn Sorceress
Ryko, Lightsworn Hunter
Cyber Valley
Krebons
Krebons
Krebons
Psychic Commander
Psychic Commander

Spells: 11
Heavy Storm
Monster Reborn
Mystical Space Typhoon
Brain Control
Mind Control
Mind Control
Mind Control
Emergency Teleport
Telekinetic Power Well
Smashing Ground
Fissure

Traps: 8
Mirror Force
Torrential Tribute
Trap Dustshoot
Bottomless Trap Hole
Bottomless Trap Hole
Bottomless Trap Hole
Dimensional Prison
Dimensional Prison


Extra Deck: 15
Red Dragon Archfiend
Colossal Fighter
Thought Ruler Archfiend
Stardust Dragon
Stardust Dragon
Stardust Dragon
Dark Strike Fighter
Black Rose Dragon
Black Rose Dragon
Goyo Guardian
Gaia Knight, The Force Of Earth
Magical Android
Magical Android
Gladiator Beast Gyzarus
Chimeratech Fortress Dragon

Side deck:15
Nobleman OF Crossout
Nobleman Of Extermination
Nobleman Of Extermination
Nobleman Of Extermination
Lightning Vortex
Lightning Vortex
Dust Tornado
Dust Tornado
Dust Tornado
Light–Imprisoning Mirror
Light–Imprisoning Mirror
Light–Imprisoning Mirror
Mind Crush
D.D. Crow
Gladiator Beast Bestiari










5th
Name: Lior Zisman
Deck: Chaos

Monsters: 21
Dark Armed Dragon
Gorz The Emissary Of Darkness
Caius The Shadow Monarch
Caius The Shadow Monarch
Chaos Sorcerer
Card Trooper
Sangan
Spirit Reaper
Mystic Tomato
Mystic Tomato
Ryko, Lightsworn Hunter
Ryko, Lightsworn Hunter
Cyber Valley
Cyber Valley
Dimensional Alchemist
Dimensional Alchemist
Necro Gardna
Necro Gardna
Junk Synchron
Plaguespreader Zombie
Krebons

Spells: 12
Heavy Storm
Monster Reborn
Mystical Space Typhoon
Brain Control
Mind Control
Mind Control
Smashing Ground
Fissure
Allure Of Darkness
Allure Of Darkness
Scapegoat
Nobleman Of Extermination

Traps: 7
Mirror Force
Torrential Tribute
Bottomless Trap Hole
Bottomless Trap Hole
Bottomless Trap Hole
Dimensional Prison
Return From The Different dimension


Total Cards: 40


Extra Deck: 14
Red Dragon Archfiend
Red Dragon Archfiend
Colossal Fighter
Thought Ruler Archfiend
Stardust Dragon
Stardust Dragon
Dark Strike Fighter
Psychic Lifetrancer
Goyo Guardian
Gaia Knight, The Force Of Earth
Magical Android
Gladiator Beast Gyzarus
Gladiator Beast Heraklinos
Junk Warrior

Side Deck: 15
Threatening Roar
Threatening Roar
Threatening Roar
Waboku
Waboku
Waboku
Needle Worm
Needle Worm
Needle Worm
Morphing Jar
Card Destruction
Cyber Dragon
Nobleman Of Extermination
Nobleman Of Extermination
Lightning Vortex



6th
Name: Dan Cohen
Deck: Twilight

Monsters: 27
Celestia, Lightsworn Angel
Celestia, Lightsworn Angel
Celestia, Lightsworn Angel
Lyla, Lightsworn Sorceress
Lyla, Lightsworn Sorceress
Lyla, Lightsworn Sorceress
Lumina, Lightsworn Summoner
Lumina, Lightsworn Summoner
Garoth, Lightsworn Warrior
Wulf, Lightsworn Beast
Wulf, Lightsworn Beast
Wulf, Lightsworn Beast
Ehren, Lightsworn Monk
Aurkus, Lightsworn Druid
Judgment Dragon
Judgment Dragon
Dark Armed Dragon
Chaos Sorcerer
Phantom Of Chaos
Phantom Of Chaos
Plaguespreader Zombie
Honest
Honest
Necro Gardna
Necro Gardna
Necro Gardna
Gorz The Emissary Of Darkness



Spells: 11
Charge of the Light Brigade
Charge of the Light Brigade
Charge of the Light Brigade
Solar Recharge
Solar Recharge
Solar Recharge
Monster Reborn
Heavy Storm
Giant Trunade
Foolish Burial
Card Of Safe Return

Traps: 3
Beckoning Light
Beckoning Light
Beckoning Light

Total Cards: 41

Extra Deck: 6
Red Dragon Archfiend
Thought Ruler Archfiend
Stardust Dragon
Dark Strike Fighter
Black Rose Dragon
Goyo Guardian




Side deck: 15
Aurkus, Lightsworn Druid
Cold Wave
Cold Wave
Cold Wave
Threatening Roar
Threatening Roar
Threatening Roar
Royal Decree
Royal Decree
Royal Decree
Jain, Lightsworn Paladin
My Body As A Shield
My Body As A Shield
Guardian Of Order
Guardian Of Order



7th
Name: Roi Dan
Deck: Gladiator Beast

Monsters: 17
Test Tiger
Test Tiger
Test Tiger
Rescue Cat
Rescue Cat
Gladiator Beast Darius
Gladiator Beast Laquari
Gladiator Beast Laquari
Gladiator Beast Bestiari
Gladiator Beast Equeste
Gladiator Beast Equeste
Gladiator Beast Samnite
Gladiator Beast Samnite
Gladiator Beast Murmillo
Gladiator Beast Secutor
Elemental Hero Prisma
Gladiator Beast Retiari

Spells: 10
Mystical Space Typhoon
Heavy Storm
Monster Reborn
Book of Moon
Gladiator Proving Ground
Gladiator Proving Ground
Shrink
Shrink
Enemy Controller
Enemy Controller

Traps: 14
Mirror Force
Torrential Tribute
Solemm Judgment
Solemm Judgment
Solemm Judgment
Dimensional Prison
Dimensional Prison
Bottomless Trap Hole
Bottomless Trap Hole
Bottomless Trap Hole
Gladiator Beast War Chariot
Gladiator Beast War Chariot
Waboku
Threatening Roar

Total Cards: 41

Side Deck: 15
Dust Tornado
Dust Tornado
Icarus Attack
Light–Imprisoning Mirror
Light–Imprisoning Mirror
Light–Imprisoning Mirror
Brain Control
Lightning Vortex
Jowls of Dark Demise
Jowls of Dark Demise
Cold Wave
Cold Wave
Book Of Moon
Threatening Roar
Gladiator Beast War Chariot

Extra Deck: 13
Stardust Dragon
Colossal Fighter
Red Dragon Archfiend
Thought Ruler Archfiend
Gladiator Beast Heraklinos
Gladiator Beast Heraklinos
Goyo Guardian
Gladiator Beast Gyzarus
Gladiator Beast Gyzarus
Gladiator Beast Gyzarus
Gaia Knight, the Force of the Earth
Doomkaiser Dragon
Magical Android



8th
Name: Mor Hakmon
Deck: Gladiator Beast

Monsters: 17
Test Tiger
Test Tiger
Test Tiger
Rescue Cat
Rescue Cat
Gladiator Beast Darius
Gladiator Beast Laquari
Gladiator Beast Laquari
Gladiator Beast Bestiari
Gladiator Beast Equeste
Gladiator Beast Equeste
Gladiator Beast Samnite
Gladiator Beast Samnite
Gladiator Beast Samnite
Gladiator Beast Murmillo
Sangan
Gladiator Beast Retiari

Spells: 9
Mystical Space Typhoon
Heavy Storm
Monster Reborn
Book of Moon
Book of Moon
Book of Moon
Gladiator Proving Ground
Enemy Controller
Smashing Ground

Traps: 14
Mirror Force
Torrential Tribute
Solemm Judgment
Solemm Judgment
Solemm Judgment
Dimensional Prison
Dimensional Prison
Bottomless Trap Hole
Bottomless Trap Hole
Bottomless Trap Hole
Gladiator Beast War Chariot
Gladiator Beast War Chariot
Gladiator Beast War Chariot
Waboku

Total Cards: 40



Extra Deck: 14
Stardust Dragon
Red Dragon Archfiend
Red Dragon Archfiend
Gladiator Beast Heraklinos
Gladiator Beast Heraklinos
Gladiator Beast Heraklinos
Goyo Guardian
Gladiator Beast Gyzarus
Gladiator Beast Gyzarus
Gladiator Beast Gyzarus
Gaia Knight, the Force of the Earth
Gladiator Beast Gaiodiaz
Tempest Magician
Junk Warrior

Side Deck: 15
Macro Cosmos
Macro Cosmos
Macro Cosmos
Dimensional Fissure
Dimensional Fissure
Light–Imprisoning Mirror
Light–Imprisoning Mirror
Cold Wave
Cold Wave
Lightning Vortex
Brain Control
Neo-Spacian Dark Panther
Gladiator Beast Hoplomus
Waboku
Mind Control

[bmangat]

these guys love their dimensional prisons. the deck that came in second looks really cool.

[Goatse]

The twilight decks are extremely weird. 27 to 29 monsters with the first place maining nobleman of extermination. now that i think about it, it's an amazing card...

[Stein FTW]

so israel has never heard of the card cold wave?

[MaromDeutsch]

GB Was the meta today and yestrday therefor we used extermination.
extermination is the best card against GB.(war chariot and solemn)

Only 2 GB survived the 12 swiss.

[Da King]

I'm digging the Chaos decks. Dimensional Alchemist has sooo many plays...

[ChargeOfTheJudgment]

so israel has never heard of the card cold wave?

Not yet......

[pekapeka]

the guy who won sided into gb lol

[The Fiend Commander]

How come the 2nd place didn't run Krebons or CCV but good jobs to all who
topped.

[MaromDeutsch]

Junk Syncron is better then Krebons becuse with Ryko you synchro fest for android.

About the CCV we only have 7 CCV in israel, only 2 player with them topped.

And about the Cold Wave its not such a good card, extermination is better.

[Goatse]

Junk Syncron is better then Krebons becuse with Ryko you synchro fest for android.

About the CCV we only have 7 CCV in israel, only 2 player with them topped.

And about the Cold Wave its not such a good card, extermination is better.

this wasn't like a 22 person nationals right?

[MaromDeutsch]

92 Players.

[100% FTK]

The chaos decks look really random and weird... looks like they could beat GB's fair enough though lol, Ryko > GB's!

[ultrabro77]

why aren't there solemns in any of the chaos/synchro decks?

[MaromDeutsch]

The chaos deck was random but build good to fight GB and LS.
DSF is the reson that solmens didnt play in other then GB.

The choas are good control deck but they weak against LS.

[ultrabro77]

also another question how come none of the decks used the d-hero engine?

[MaromDeutsch]

In the start of the format we tried them but they were suck.
In the championship 1 player used them and finished in the top 32.

[RedLight]

I liked the Chaos decks especially Dimensional Alchemist. He adds a toolbox-esque effect, I definately see people going to SJC Anaheim using this set of lists for the basis of there decks when they go. Noblemen of Extermination must have been one of the key reasons that not many GBeast topped. If I were to go to Anaheim I would definately take a look at these Techs to counter GBeast, LS, and PC decks.

[The Tourist]

And about the Cold Wave its not such a good card, extermination is better.


welcome to my sig .

Additional Comment:

ya see .

[ultrabro77]

In the start of the format we tried them but they were suck.
In the championship 1 player used them and finished in the top 32.

hmm i've been playing a chaos-esque deck with the dhero engine and i've ben destroying gbs and ls decks

[The Tourist]

hmm i've been playing a chaos-esque deck with the dhero engine and i've ben destroying gbs and ls decks


lol, sure .

[ultrabro77]

how are you gonna tell me that i havent, when i've won 5 of the last 6 tournaments i've entered using my deck

[Azriel]

The chaos deck was random but build good to fight GB and LS.
DSF is the reson that solmens didnt play in other then GB.

The choas are good control deck but they weak against LS.

whats dsf?

[MCT]

No offense to the top 8 but when half of it is a luck-sack fest where the only way you win is milling you'll have to forgive me if I don't sing the praises.

Congrats to the winner and all that but all it means is they were luckier than their opponent... that deck takes zero skill to run whatsoever.

[Brenpickle]

thanks for the list chaos looks cool

[The_Fat_Rabbit]

whats dsf?

dark strike fighter

[Dark Fiend]

Why do people expect that the metagame is the same everywhere. Any place you go, you're going to find different top decks and different card choices among players. These decks were meant for their metagame, not ours, hence the reason why we don't see cards like Cold Wave, Solemn Judgement, etc...

[Puffy]

Damn... Some nice deck there.......

[The Tourist]

Why do people expect that the metagame is the same everywhere. Any place you go, you're going to find different top decks and different card choices among players. These decks were meant for their metagame, not ours, hence the reason why we don't see cards like Cold Wave, Solemn Judgement, etc...

orly?, thanks captain obvious...

[gamerpaul]

Why do people expect that the metagame is the same everywhere. Any place you go, you're going to find different top decks and different card choices among players. These decks were meant for their metagame, not ours, hence the reason why we don't see cards like Cold Wave, Solemn Judgement, etc...

Ya but had we had any SJCs for them to netdeck I am sure it would have looked a lot more similar considering most European nats tend to look just like the North American metagame.

[Chaosxalchemist]

thank u for the list the twilight builds look great but i question the gb builds because they do not like fast enought to beat the meta thet went up against and not enough control either

[Goatse]

Ya but had we had any SJCs for them to netdeck I am sure it would have looked a lot more similar considering most European nats tend to look just like the North American metagame.

no.

blind assumption is made blindly.

[UntouchableVictor]

also another question how come none of the decks used the d-hero engine?

cuz its not good anymore.

[Disgorgence]

that 2nd place deck with some fixes for a better meta is pretty solid

[UNTOUCHABLE/DADE]

thanks for the deck list... cool decks....... Twilight is to broken.

[Assailant07]

jus wondering but how many people attended this?

[RedLight]

jus wondering but how many people attended this?

92 ppl is what some1 said earlier.

[workshop54]

Where is there to play in Israel and when?

[now2ai8]

Dimensional Alchemist.. lol.

[gamerpaul]

no.

blind assumption is made blindly.

it's not blind so much as I always look at all the European nats decklists from previous years and that is pretty much how it goes. Sure there are a few differences but generally it's just a few techs or just bad deck choices like that sworn deck that won in the UK last year that was real ****ty.

[Goatse]

it's not blind so much as I always look at all the European nats decklists from previous years and that is pretty much how it goes. Sure there are a few differences but generally it's just a few techs or just bad deck choices like that sworn deck that won in the UK last year that was real ****ty.
soo...where did that guy get his lightsworn decklist dude? b/c i know he didn't get it from any sjc.

[gamerpaul]

soo...where did that guy get his lightsworn decklist dude? b/c i know he didn't get it from any sjc.

Ya that was an example I was giving of a list that wasn't, but like I said most of them were.

[harryyugioh]

it's not blind so much as I always look at all the European nats decklists from previous years and that is pretty much how it goes. Sure there are a few differences but generally it's just a few techs or just bad deck choices like that sworn deck that won in the UK last year that was real ****ty.

Han wei , was basically the creator Of Lightsworn, then Dale edited it for the SJC , then Lazaro edited it some more, putting in Necro Gardna's . And tbh , if you think building a deck out of new cards that came out a week b4 the nats , then winning it is preety ****ty , ur preety ****ty urself m8

[Lazaro Bellido]

Han wei , was basically the creator Of Lightsworn, then Dale edited it for the SJC , then Lazaro edited it some more, putting in Necro Gardna's . And tbh , if you think building a deck out of new cards that came out a week b4 the nats , then winning it is preety ****ty , ur preety ****ty urself m8

are u kidding me........ the sjc and nats was the same weekend, and i sent my decklist to a few people from the UK ( which was the same nats) the night b4 your nationals and our jump

-dale

[ultrabro77]

cuz its not good anymore.

too bad it is.

[Crazee Adam]

lmao someone's been reading my deck lists in the vets forums, i came up with Chaos Control (CC) like a month and a half ago or so and posted it...lol. idk maybe they came up with it before me even, but i'm definetly gonna try out these guys decks now.

[MaromDeutsch]

Where is there to play in Israel and when?

In Tel-Aviv witzman center.
Send me a PM for more info.

[tr_trainer]

I actually didn't lucksack in the second day, just the first one.

I had terrible hands during the entire day, and played them through. my build was really solid, and NOE exterminated all these GB and chaos decks, killing BTH and Torrential as well as war chariots.

the side into GB is a technique that actually didn't work... I did this only during round 1 of the tournament, and against the other GB I just went for beatdown with Aurkus (should've mained 2) with 3 EC. that worked wonders against them.

I'm just building the statistics for our nats, but there were about 12 chaos decks, 14 GB and 6 Lightsworns. many zombies were played, cause they are kinda good vs lightsworn and can hold their own against the chaos decks.

the chaos decks were piloted basically by Marom (4th place), Ziv (2nd) and I (1st), and they are great vs GB cause of the mass removal, Alchemists (which retrieve important cards such as sorcerer, while being +1 vs the random removals).

You can put down the importance of this card if you'd like, but the points is the chaos deck is really good 1. only 2 GB topped, many of them used cold wave and some didn't. in Israel, using cold wave means ur kinda dead, cause caius is seeing lots of play, as well as Ryko, DAD and Sorcerer. it just destroys ur entire defense and that's not working well for GB decks.


that's why some actualy use cold wave against GB, cause cold wave+alchemist/trooper=opponent got no monsters and u can just abuse him.

the chaos deck is completely ours, remember that!!! :)

[d229]

these are pretty much the same thing over and over

[The Fiend Commander]

Was there a 2009 playmat?If there was can some post a picture of it?Where
is worlds championship going to be?

[tr_trainer]

we got no information of that sort. prizes still aren't here.

[The Fiend Commander]

Forreal that suck are they gonna mail you and the other players there mat and how or when will you receive information on worlds?

[tr_trainer]

We don't go directly to worlds, we go to European championship first, and we already got the details about that...

The prizes will be here next week, but it's still unknown if I'm gonna recieve a super card or no... I know that we're supposed to get Ipods, though.

[Ameen]

the chaos deck is completely ours, remember that!!! :)

not trying to burst your bubble but you can ask any player on the east coast and afew well known us players who have been helping me build it, the alchemist/wave/salvo deck ive been building (w/proxies) as soon as the announced the spoiler for crms.

not that i want any credit but i dont think you should claim it either seeing as there was i who built it before yall and im sure someone else came up with it before me.

[seanmontague]

Those gbs were freaking weird

[JoshuaGraham]

are u kidding me........ the sjc and nats was the same weekend, and i sent my decklist to a few people from the UK ( which was the same nats) the night b4 your nationals and our jump

-dale

smashD


Dale you going to Cali?

[`Phenom]

It peeves me that these decks are called Chaos just because they have Sorceror in them.

[Brenpickle]

ya most people already had their chaos decks it just depends on form you like with d-hero, or monarch bass or what ever

[Snowman Eater]

Isreal has no skill od good players, just look at the top 8 and u can tell, 1st place deck is running 27 monsters, one of the GB decks runs only 1 Bom and 2 shrinks

[DrDroo]

One "twilight deck" ran 3x wulf, 3x lyla, 3x celestia, the other ran 3x wulf, 3x lyla, 2x celestia.

Terrible. Lyla is awful in this format, and the other cards are dead opening hand.

[ZombieJesus!]

One "twilight deck" ran 3x wulf, 3x lyla, 3x celestia, the other ran 3x wulf, 3x lyla, 2x celestia.

Terrible. Lyla is awful in this format, and the other cards are dead opening hand.

STF U. It's comments from scrubs like you that kill threads. Is your name up there? I think not. At least the lack of Crush Card in their meta forces them to have some sort of skill based meta unlike USA. I think you're just jealous yo ucan't be as innovative as most of them... And Twilight runs heavy monsters, we all know this. Their card choices were correct for their meta as they expected a lot of mirror matches // GBs. Celestia handles multiple Lightsworn Monsters which can reduce the threat of a looming Honest. Lyla can force a Chariot play that the opponent would rather not activate or force the activation of a Beckoning at an inopportune time giving the player complete knowledge of their opponents hand. Almost EVERY Lightsworn deck that has seen play has run 3 Wulfs... STF U and learn to play this game or at least take the time to understand their meta before you make negative assumptions and absurd accusations.

EDIT: And congrats to everyone in Israel for bringing a potential new decktype into the meta. I'm glad to see some people are still thinking outside the box.

[tr_trainer]

Thank you.

The Lack of BOM is due to the many Chaos Decks, which are good against BOM (due to alchemist's effect) and exterminate GB. the Shrinks are versus other BTH (I agree it's not a good choice, I don't like shrink very much myself-I prefer Dimensional Prison more)

We call it chaos, but basically it's alchemist beatdown deck-creating a tool box with alchemist, allure, special summons and valleys and then grabbing what's needed...


that's our meta, it's not "scrubs stuff". in Usa, Teledad dominated the entire last format in USA, but in Israel it got wrecked in the face-half the tournament ran it, and it usually lost to other dark-synchro builds using Junk Synchron and cyber Valleys... GB were also great last format here, unlike USA when it won 1 tournament and then vanished...

It's not we don't have the Meta builds, it's just they don't work well here and our original builds of the popular decks work better (our Zombies with Necro Gardna last format was a lot better than Teledads)


but He's kinda right, I will give up on 1 Lyla-not because it's bad, but because Aurkus is THAT GOOD.

[Snowman Eater]

[QUOTE=tr_trainer;12962124]GB were also great last format here, unlike USA when it won 1 tournament and then vanished...
QUOTE]


GB's won like 7 Jumps how did they vanish

[ZombieJesus!]

GB's won like 7 Jumps how did they vanish

Have you completely forgotten the last year of 14 of 16 top16 decks being tele-dad at almost every jump?

Additional Comment:

my only question is how versatile was D Prison in a Lyla heavy meta? It's one of the only card choices I didn't quite agree with, but I guess you all don't have as great a threat of Cold Wave.

[Snowman Eater]

before tele dad when we didnt have e tele

[gamerpaul]

Thank you.

The Lack of BOM is due to the many Chaos Decks, which are good against BOM (due to alchemist's effect) and exterminate GB. the Shrinks are versus other BTH (I agree it's not a good choice, I don't like shrink very much myself-I prefer Dimensional Prison more)

We call it chaos, but basically it's alchemist beatdown deck-creating a tool box with alchemist, allure, special summons and valleys and then grabbing what's needed...


that's our meta, it's not "scrubs stuff". in Usa, Teledad dominated the entire last format in USA, but in Israel it got wrecked in the face-half the tournament ran it, and it usually lost to other dark-synchro builds using Junk Synchron and cyber Valleys... GB were also great last format here, unlike USA when it won 1 tournament and then vanished...

It's not we don't have the Meta builds, it's just they don't work well here and our original builds of the popular decks work better (our Zombies with Necro Gardna last format was a lot better than Teledads)


but He's kinda right, I will give up on 1 Lyla-not because it's bad, but because Aurkus is THAT GOOD.

lol so after producing a nats top 8 like that you have the nerve to say you have a better meta than the U.S.?

[ZombieJesus!]

lol so after producing a nats top 8 like that you have the nerve to say you have a better meta than the U.S.?

He didn't say they have a better meta than us... Just a different meta.

[tr_trainer]

we Don't have a better meta, just a different one-but yes, our meta is a lot more varianted than the USA one. usually in USA, one deck is the top deck and it gets 13/16 spots in every top 16 finish due to netdecking, and usually the meta is not the best deck that exists.

We usually don't netdeck here. we know the great decks and all, but every deck gets fitted to our meta and style. We had 1 monarch deck in the nationals, and we see that other nations look at monarch as a big deck. same with PC monarch... but Plants and zombies had 8 representatives each (out of 89) so we need to take them into account when building decks.

that's the main difference.

[WootyMcWoot]

One "twilight deck" ran 3x wulf, 3x lyla, 3x celestia, the other ran 3x wulf, 3x lyla, 2x celestia.

Terrible. Lyla is awful in this format, and the other cards are dead opening hand.

I agree with it being bad to run Lyla in 3s but 3 Wulf is amazing as it increases the chance of milling it. Obviously it also increases the chances of drawing it but it's a risk definitely worth the reward.

[lilggunit]

i dont think your getting your prizes since UDI is no longer in charge. lol That sucks :s

[phlstar]

udi is still in charge just not ude :\ reason mexico still has regionals and nationals same with the rest of the world.

[DrDroo]

STF U. It's comments from scrubs like you that kill threads. Is your name up there? I think not. At least the lack of Crush Card in their meta forces them to have some sort of skill based meta unlike USA. I think you're just jealous yo ucan't be as innovative as most of them... And Twilight runs heavy monsters, we all know this. Their card choices were correct for their meta as they expected a lot of mirror matches // GBs. Celestia handles multiple Lightsworn Monsters which can reduce the threat of a looming Honest. Lyla can force a Chariot play that the opponent would rather not activate or force the activation of a Beckoning at an inopportune time giving the player complete knowledge of their opponents hand. Almost EVERY Lightsworn deck that has seen play has run 3 Wulfs... STF U and learn to play this game or at least take the time to understand their meta before you make negative assumptions and absurd accusations.

EDIT: And congrats to everyone in Israel for bringing a potential new decktype into the meta. I'm glad to see some people are still thinking outside the box.

Yeah my name's not up there, damn I'm such a scrub for not living in Israel. I still have my hopes up for the Sudan National champs though : /


And yup I wish I could be innovative enough to run uh...twilight :/

I love how you challenge me for not accepting "innovation" then say every LS deck runs 3 wolves, lol.

I also lol'd at lyla forcing chariot plays. Nice, now I have an open field and you can attack and get that chariot back. : /

Nice work broseph

[ZombieJesus!]

Yeah my name's not up there, damn I'm such a scrub for not living in Israel. I still have my hopes up for the Sudan National champs though : /

Ok, I apologize. That was kinda brash, but I hate seeing negative criticism over justifiable card choices for a completely different meta... It's innovation and diversity that makes this game fun


And yup I wish I could be innovative enough to run uh...twilight :/

I was speaking of the Alchemist deck, not twilight...


I love how you challenge me for not accepting "innovation" then say every LS deck runs 3 wolves, lol.

Isn't it common sense to max out on a card in the deck that is a Solar Recharge / Foolish Burial target as well as a free summon when it's milled, since you know.. the deck mainly mills...

I also lol'd at lyla forcing chariot plays. Nice, now I have an open field and you can attack and get that chariot back. : /

You aren't leaving yourself with an open field if you're following up with a Judgment Dragon which is usually the opportune play after forcing a Chariot activation, especially if it's their only backfield...

[BoatsNHose]

why not the Cold Waves main deck in GB decks

[WootyMcWoot]

udi is still in charge just not ude :\ reason mexico still has regionals and nationals same with the rest of the world.

Not as of yesterday they aren't.

[The Fiend Commander]

Was there any Dark Armed Dragon decks in the tournament?

[lilggunit]

Konami is in charge of the world now! ;p

[BoatsNHose]

how are the worlds going to work since they won there invite under UDE Nats!

[Venelinski]

Do you have your final uploaded on youtube or has someone written it somewhere?
I just love the 2nd deck

[BoatsNHose]

how does GB Sidedeck work in a Twilight Deck

Additional Comment:

are there any videos and coverage on this event

[superjankman]

I was supposed to go to Israel over a mobth ago and I would of been there for nationals and I was like I can't go cause there's no yugioh. And to find out y'all had a nationals I would been a national champ already. Damn it. Do u guys have regular tournaments on like a weekly basis cause I know in ramallah they don't. I'll go to tel aviv. If u do. Like where are they located?

[MaromDeutsch]

We have weekly tournaments in tel-aviv, every tuesday, waitzman center, waitzman 10...

[BoatsNHose]

any coverage at all

[MaromDeutsch]

We have coverage but in hebrew.

[BoatsNHose]

can u post a LINK

[Envoy of Destruction]

http://yugioh.co.il/champ

Currently, the link is broken, but it will be fixed in a couple of hours, I guess.


why not the Cold Waves main deck in GB decks

Because Cold Wave leaves you open to plays that Gladiator Beasts simply cannot handle without their Solemn Judgments and War Chariots. It might be as simple as Normal Summoning Junk Synchron, then Sync it with Ryko into Magical Android, or play Cyber Dragon or The Dark Creator - not necessarily just the regular Chaos Sorcerer, Dark Armed Dragon and Judgment Dragon you are used to see.


Was there any Dark Armed Dragon decks in the tournament?

Yes and no. Dark Armed Dragon in our Metagame serves as the ultimate beatstick to any Deck that uses enough DARK Monsters. So it really didn't matter whether this Deck was Plant (and there actually was a DARK-Plant Deck), a DARK-LIGHT Deck, or a Deck based on Escape and Return with big Monsters, like Nephthys and Creator. There weren't any Decks, though, that were similar to TeleDAD of the previous Format.

[The Fiend Commander]

http://yugioh.co.il/champ

Currently, the link is broken, but it will be fixed in a couple of hours, I guess.

Yes and no. Dark Armed Dragon in our Metagame serves as the ultimate beatstick to any Deck that uses enough DARK Monsters. So it really didn't matter whether this Deck was Plant (and there actually was a DARK-Plant Deck), a DARK-LIGHT Deck, or a Deck based on Escape and Return with big Monsters, like Nephthys and Creator. There weren't any Decks, though, that were similar to TeleDAD of the previous Format.

The link is working now or at least for me.Could post some of those dark decks?Please :)

[Darkstone]

When I saw Dimensional Alchemist.... first I -_-

But then, I :D

[Epic Smash]

Dimension Alchemist actually seems interesting in a toolbox/chaos variant.

[Darkstone]

It does sound interesting.

Did everyone with the "chaos" deck use Dimensional Alchemist or was it, for the most part, secret tech?

[The Fiend Commander]

Is the European natz today???

[magnumcyclonex]

Very interesting. It's nice to see what people play overseas. I suppose in an ego or national-centric nation, it's hard for some people to understand the meta or general experience of others unless you lived and played in those places. But it's easy to claim that one created a decktype upon viewing spoilers and then try to "patent" the idea. Sure, no doubt some people did that and those decks propelled to victory in their tournaments, but unless you followed every single meta across the world, you can't claim you did something first and denounce the ideas and metas of every other nation.

[WootyMcWoot]

http://yugioh.co.il/champ

Currently, the link is broken, but it will be fixed in a couple of hours, I guess.



Because Cold Wave leaves you open to plays that Gladiator Beasts simply cannot handle without their Solemn Judgments and War Chariots. It might be as simple as Normal Summoning Junk Synchron, then Sync it with Ryko into Magical Android, or play Cyber Dragon or The Dark Creator - not necessarily just the regular Chaos Sorcerer, Dark Armed Dragon and Judgment Dragon you are used to see.

If you are playing GB correctly, when you cold wave there should NOT be a monster on your opponent's side of the field at the end of your turn. I mean obviously it leaves you open to one of boss cards like DaD and Chaos Sorcerer but it also shuts down any form of defense that the opponent could have against your huge Gyzarus plays. Obviously it is bad against lightsworn but those Chaos decks played multiple defensive traps that just get tore apart by a cold wave/gyzarus play. Not maindecking at least 2 cold wave in a Gladiator Beast deck is just asking to lose to anything that is not lightsworn. I mean seriously those chaos decks have three relatively gamebreaking out to a Cold Wave/Gyzarus play if you don't have Stardust out and that's DaD, Gorz after a Gyzarus attack, Cyber Dragon and Chaos Sorcerer together, or having one of the two aforementioned cards with Caius. Or I guess having Cyber Dragon and a tuner would work too. Basically those last 3 plays all involve having to have Cyber Dragon or Sorcerer AND one other card. That is just statistically not good odds of getting out of a scenario where you are staring down 2 laquari and are under cold wave. Cold Wave leaves you open to a small amount of plays compared to how many plays it just completely shuts down.

[TheMasterMind26]

Random.....

[r3skyline]

the 1st place looks really cool. i like.

[Azn_]

Those Chaos decks look pretty cool.

[BoatsNHose]

how well was first place sidedeck with Gladiator Beast

[threereapers]

name ALL combos w/ Junk Synchton in these decks

[ZombieJesus!]

Basically they use Junk Synchron to "Spam" Magical Android, or Mind control your monster and synch for DSF, etc.

[iWank]

I heard here is a deck called White Phosphorous Burn running around there somewhere?

[Double Shot]

Thanks for the info.

[Envoy of Destruction]

Do you have your final uploaded on youtube or has someone written it somewhere?
I just love the 2nd deck

Unfortunately, the coverage of the 2nd Day has not been uplodaded yet. I will announce when it will.

how does GB Sidedeck work in a Twilight Deck
It was supposed to. Eventually, the Enemy Controllers (plus the Bestiari) were the ideal Side Deck against Gladiator Beasts. Normal Summoning Bestiari then Tributing a random Lumina or Wulf to Special Summon Gyzarus is awesome. :D

Could post some of those dark decks?Please

Which ones? The Decks of the Duestches brothers (yes, we too have famous brothers playing this game lol) and Ziv (two of which are in the Top 8), are already published.

Dimensional Alchemist is Tech played by Ziv (2nd Place) in early March. It has spread all over since.

If you are playing GB correctly, when you cold wave there should NOT be a monster on your opponent's side of the field at the end of your turn. I mean obviously it leaves you open to one of boss cards like DaD and Chaos Sorcerer but it also shuts down any form of defense that the opponent could have against your huge Gyzarus plays. Obviously it is bad against lightsworn but those Chaos decks played multiple defensive traps that just get tore apart by a cold wave/gyzarus play. Not maindecking at least 2 cold wave in a Gladiator Beast deck is just asking to lose to anything that is not lightsworn. I mean seriously those chaos decks have three relatively gamebreaking out to a Cold Wave/Gyzarus play if you don't have Stardust out and that's DaD, Gorz after a Gyzarus attack, Cyber Dragon and Chaos Sorcerer together, or having one of the two aforementioned cards with Caius. Or I guess having Cyber Dragon and a tuner would work too. Basically those last 3 plays all involve having to have Cyber Dragon or Sorcerer AND one other card. That is just statistically not good odds of getting out of a scenario where you are staring down 2 laquari and are under cold wave. Cold Wave leaves you open to a small amount of plays compared to how many plays it just completely shuts down.

After a Gyzarus-play, you would normally Special Summon Laquari plus one ot the following: Hoplomus, Retiari, Equeste, Darius or another Laquari.

In the case of Monarch, Cyber Dragon and Junk Synchron (which is actually a Magical Android) can reduce your field presence. You would have to recover via a Test Tiger, a Bestiari in hand (or Proving Ground), or via an active removal (such as Smashing Ground or Book of Moon).
In the case of Lightsworn, you are risking a massive Lumina Summoning, which means massive Wulfs and Necro Gardnas (and even Honests);
In the case of Zombies, Mezuki, Zombie Master and even Pyramid Turtle (to Ryu Kokki) threaten you. Plant have Debris Dragon to Black Rose Dragon or Iron Chain Dragon. Macro Cosmos still have their Survivor, and can follow up with Caius. Plus, every Deck that is not Gladiator Beasts or Macro Cosmos plays 1-2 Gardnas, so even that one Gyzarus-play is questionable.


name ALL combos w/ Junk Synchton in these decks

Junk + Plaguespreader + Mind Control
Junk + Mind Control
Junk + Ryko + Mind Control
Cyber Dragon + Junk

[WootyMcWoot]

After a Gyzarus-play, you would normally Special Summon Laquari plus one ot the following: Hoplomus, Retiari, Equeste, Darius or another Laquari.

In the case of Monarch, Cyber Dragon and Junk Synchron (which is actually a Magical Android) can reduce your field presence. You would have to recover via a Test Tiger, a Bestiari in hand (or Proving Ground), or via an active removal (such as Smashing Ground or Book of Moon).
In the case of Lightsworn, you are risking a massive Lumina Summoning, which means massive Wulfs and Necro Gardnas (and even Honests);
In the case of Zombies, Mezuki, Zombie Master and even Pyramid Turtle (to Ryu Kokki) threaten you. Plant have Debris Dragon to Black Rose Dragon or Iron Chain Dragon. Macro Cosmos still have their Survivor, and can follow up with Caius. Plus, every Deck that is not Gladiator Beasts or Macro Cosmos plays 1-2 Gardnas, so even that one Gyzarus-play is questionable.
Thank you for proving my point by using bad decks like Zombies and macro cosmos lol as examples. You also listed a few outs to cold wave/gyzarus and then proceeded to list even more cards than that which a Gladiator player could have on the following turn to answer the threat you just made. Good job on defeating your own argument.

[MaromDeutsch]

Chaos deck are not hurt by cold wave and can OTK the GB deck's if they use them.

Also cold wave doesnt effect on LS or plant, zombie and other deck that played.(some of the GB deck played with cold wave but they faild)

[Envoy of Destruction]

Thank you for proving my point by using bad decks like Zombies and macro cosmos lol as examples.

"Bad" Decks? Now, sure, Gladiator Beasts and Lightsworn are superior to most Decks. But here, in Israel, these Decks are common; if you build your Deck to work well only versus the most powerful Decks, you are sure fail, especially here, since the Metagame is varied.


then proceeded to list even more cards than that which a Gladiator player could have on the following turn to answer the threat you just made. Good job on defeating your own argument.

On the following turn? Sure. But I rather react on my opponent's turn with my Prisons, Trap Holes, Judgments, Forces, Tributes and War Chariots. So what is the point of playing Cold Wave? You are running about 18 Monsters, 10 Spells and 12 Traps. Shutting down half of your field and hand is stupid.

Now don't get my wrong, I am only talking about our Metagame. It is like that here - the card simply does not work for this Metagame because it is so varied.

[WootyMcWoot]

"Bad" Decks? Now, sure, Gladiator Beasts and Lightsworn are superior to most Decks. But here, in Israel, these Decks are common; if you build your Deck to work well only versus the most powerful Decks, you are sure fail, especially here, since the Metagame is varied.




On the following turn? Sure. But I rather react on my opponent's turn with my Prisons, Trap Holes, Judgments, Forces, Tributes and War Chariots. So what is the point of playing Cold Wave? You are running about 18 Monsters, 10 Spells and 12 Traps. Shutting down half of your field and hand is stupid.

Now don't get my wrong, I am only talking about our Metagame. It is like that here - the card simply does not work for this Metagame because it is so varied.

You are missing the point. You don't activate cold wave when you have to rely on your defenses. You activate cold wave when you know that you can generate an insurmountable control of the game and limit your opponent's options. Obviously bad players that play cold wave will do bad because they are in fact bad players.

Additional Comment:

Chaos deck are not hurt by cold wave and can OTK the GB deck's if they use them.

Also cold wave doesnt effect on LS or plant, zombie and other deck that played.(some of the GB deck played with cold wave but they faild)

Monsters: 22
Dark Armed Dragon
Gorz The Emissary Of Darkness
Caius The Shadow Monarch
Chaos Sorcerer
Card Trooper
Breaker The Magical Warrior
Sangan
Spirit Reaper
Mystic Tomato
Mystic Tomato
Dekoichi The Battlechanted Locomotive
Cyber Dragon
Ryko, Lightsworn Hunter
Ryko, Lightsworn Hunter
Cyber Valley
Cyber Valley
Dimensional Alchemist
Dimensional Alchemist
Necro Gardna
Junk Synchron
Junk Synchron
Plaguespreader Zombie

Spells: 11
Heavy Storm
Monster Reborn
Mystical Space Typhoon
Brain Control
Mind Control
Smashing Ground
Fissure
Allure Of Darkness
Allure Of Darkness
Scapegoat
Creature Swap

Traps: 7
Mirror Force
Torrential Tribute
Bottomless Trap Hole
Bottomless Trap Hole
Bottomless Trap Hole
Dimensional Prison
Dimensional Prison

Please explain to me how this deck can consistently otk because I am not seeing it. Also I don't know how you can say cold wave doesn't affect it when it shuts down ALL of the deck's defensive options.

[ZombieJesus!]

Ignore Marom, the deck can't otk.. that was a rediculous comment. The only potential OTK the deck has is DSF assuming a Solemn has been played. I've tested this deck and its sole purpose is to generate advantage. The deck is good because it doesn't get dead hands. Every card in the deck is live. And between two Valley, Necro Gardna, Ryko, Chaos Sorcerer, DAD it isn't hard to regain advantage after a Cold Wave play. GB's have three cold wave in a deck. I have I have over 18 answers to your plays on a a following turn at least 6 of which is in the form of a monster effect. I've been playtesting the deck and GBs don't stand a chance against it my friend, with or without Cold Wave sorry.

[MaromDeutsch]

The deck can OTK using DAD, CD, junk, Plaguespreader Zombie, caius...
(Not in the few first turns)

[ZombieJesus!]

The deck can OTK using DAD, CD, junk, Plaguespreader Zombie, caius...
(Not in the few first turns)

This is still VERY unrealistic. This deck was not built to OTK it was built to control which it does very well. I went 4-0 at my local with the 2d place build card for card, subbing d prisons for Return and CCV.

[MaromDeutsch]

If you look at the side of is deck he have return but aginst the GB it not so good.
And my deck isnt so diffrenet look at the 4th deck(my deck), it just more OTK but unstable.

[DmageW]

i like the "chaos" decks, they look janky, but its like, it doesnt get terrible or bad hands, which the other decks are prone too.

[tico]

2nd, 4th, and 5th had the best decks. The dimensional alchemist has me intrigued

[Envoy of Destruction]

You are missing the point. You don't activate cold wave when you have to rely on your defenses. You activate cold wave when you know that you can generate an insurmountable control of the game and limit your opponent's options. Obviously bad players that play cold wave will do bad because they are in fact bad players.

I agree. However, you would need a Bestiari in Graveyard and Rescue Cat, or Test Tiger and Rescue Cat to do so effetively. How consistantly can you get THAT? (I really ask you, because from my exprience with the Deck it does happen often).

[RedLight]

A friend of mine used a variant of the Chaos deck at a local tourneys filled with GBeast and Lightsworn mostly Lightsworn. He was 4-0 against Gbeast and he finished in 3rd because he lost to Lightsworn. The deck is really good against GBeast and had he taken my advice on using a particular card he would have easily beaten Lightsworn. The chaos deck is for real though it has serious advantage and almost every hand is playable.

[WootyMcWoot]

Ignore Marom, the deck can't otk.. that was a rediculous comment. The only potential OTK the deck has is DSF assuming a Solemn has been played. I've tested this deck and its sole purpose is to generate advantage. The deck is good because it doesn't get dead hands. Every card in the deck is live. And between two Valley, Necro Gardna, Ryko, Chaos Sorcerer, DAD it isn't hard to regain advantage after a Cold Wave play. GB's have three cold wave in a deck. I have I have over 18 answers to your plays on a a following turn at least 6 of which is in the form of a monster effect. I've been playtesting the deck and GBs don't stand a chance against it my friend, with or without Cold Wave sorry.
Summoning Cyber Valley and setting ryko are not really amazing comeback plays after a cold wave/gyzarus into 2 laquari. Yea I suppose it helps to slow things down a bit but it's hardly a permanent answer to the situation at hand. There are multiple cards a Gladiator player could have to answer the valley and the ryko is only killing one dude so the gb player will still have field presence which usually equals winning with that deck.

I agree. However, you would need a Bestiari in Graveyard and Rescue Cat, or Test Tiger and Rescue Cat to do so effetively. How consistantly can you get THAT? (I really ask you, because from my exprience with the Deck it does happen often).

Basically you don't cold wave unless you can Gyzarus and generate huge advantage swings or if you know it'll lock up your opponent's moves on the next turn and set you up for a big play on your next turn.

Additional Comment:

I'm also not advocating that GB is the best deck right now. Personally I think it is unfortunately lightsworn (I say unfortunately since the deck doesn't take a huge amount of skill to play). I am simply trying to point that when played correctly cold wave with Gyzarus can be game breaking against decks that rely on at least a fair amount of traps for defensive purposes and that Chaos deck falls under that category.

[Double Shot]

i dont know why lightsworns keep winning against GB (i know they have a good matchup) but in my opinion ls rely a lot on luck, bad millings can destroy then.

Im amazed that they already won 3 Nationals this year out of 4.

[WootyMcWoot]

i dont know why lightsworns keep winning against GB (i know they have a good matchup) but in my opinion ls rely a lot on luck, bad millings can destroy then.

Im amazed that they already won 3 Nationals this year out of 4.
I mean it's not really all that surprising if you think about it. Last year GB was able to beat lightsworn more consistently because of the lack of Charge of the Light Brigade. That card drastically increased the consistency of the deck because it gave it a more reliable way to get Lumina and Garoth on turn 1 which leads to more milling both that setup and the charge. More milling equals a higher chance of milling a Wulf or Necro, both of which can be difficult for GB to overcome. It's also really dependent on who wins the dice roll because that first turn setup can make all the difference. Also that lack of more than one Bestiari can be slightly problematic for gb players because it is more risky to run more than one copy of Prisma which is really good against Lightsworn.

[Double Shot]

I mean it's not really all that surprising if you think about it. Last year GB was able to beat lightsworn more consistently because of the lack of Charge of the Light Brigade. That card drastically increased the consistency of the deck because it gave it a more reliable way to get Lumina and Garoth on turn 1 which leads to more milling both that setup and the charge. More milling equals a higher chance of milling a Wulf or Necro, both of which can be difficult for GB to overcome. It's also really dependent on who wins the dice roll because that first turn setup can make all the difference. Also that lack of more than one Bestiari can be slightly problematic for gb players because it is more risky to run more than one copy of Prisma which is really good against Lightsworn.

yeah your right but i think that the main problem is honest, besides Chariot a GB player cant play around it and a ls player can use a necro to make the other player waste the chariot in order to make hughe swins and gain a lot of field advantage.

[BoatsNHose]

does any1 know what the winning deck sidedeck out for the GB cards I cant figgure it out

[WootyMcWoot]

does any1 know what the winning deck sidedeck out for the GB cards I cant figgure it out

Don't side into Gladiator Beasts. It looks quite horrible and inconsistent to do so.

[ZombieJesus!]

does any1 know what the winning deck sidedeck out for the GB cards I cant figgure it out

The first place finisher already explained that he had only tried the GB sidedeck in the first round of his tourney and stated that it was absolutely aweful. Ignore the GBs in sidedeck and replace them with better sidedeck cards.

[xomox]

this is a cool thread

[xXKINGxofxGAMEXx]

Blackwing does exist on israel
cause there wasnt on the top 8 list

[Gunwing0]

Hey does anyone know if the guy that got second place with the cool Chaos deck actually comes on Pojo? I was just wondering, because I was wondering what kind of changes he would do to the deck, if he had all the cards he could use.

[den_don]

Before u ask bout stuff like BW, think for a minute, it's not because this thread still exists that it happened recently. It happened like on the 5th of may i think, nearly 2 months ago. Keep in mind Israel always has a few months delay for each set, so not everyone has the possibility to obtain the necessary cards for a BW deck.

[WootyMcWoot]

Before u ask bout stuff like BW, think for a minute, it's not because this thread still exists that it happened recently. It happened like on the 5th of may i think, nearly 2 months ago. Keep in mind Israel always has a few months delay for each set, so not everyone has the possibility to obtain the necessary cards for a BW deck.

It happened a lot earlier than that. The thread was posted on April 13th so that means raging battle wasn't even out yet.

[Gunwing0]

Well, since I made a version of the second place deck, I thought I would post it here, to try and get some response to it.

http://www.pojo.biz/board/showthread.php?p=13981639#post13981639

[JusticeLL]

yo do the Palestinians have their own nationals or whats up with that? Gaza Strip and all that land gets confusing you know.

[LosinWithStyleSup?]

yo do the Palestinians have their own nationals or whats up with that? Gaza Strip and all that land gets confusing you know.

whats confusing is how isrealis even play yugioh. do they make yugioh cards kosher?

[Breaking Eclipse]

It seems everything is getting their chance this year.

[tr_trainer]

Kosher YGO CARDS XD

lol, they tried to make cards in hebrew, failed and got sued by UDE XD

Palestinians... not that this is the place for Political debates, but basically their leaders (Hammas) won't let them have electricity just so they'll be able to blame Israel for allegedly turning off the power, so I doubt that they play yugioh there... maybe Exiled Force.


and we got tons of BW here, they are getting pwned badly by Zombie decks and the Synchro cats (Lightsworn failed around here badly ever since BW came up, cause auto luck stopped)