This is the best ebay auction description I've ever read!

[WildWill]

No, this isn't an advertisement. The auction ended, and it wasn't mine anyway. I was reading Neil Gaiman's blog, and in it he usually points the reader to interesting or weird websites and whatnot. One of todays was this:

Which mention of eBay reminds me. There are lots of FAQ thingies stacking up. This eBay page may not stay up for long, but while it does, it's intriguing and very strange:

Neil! I was directed to the best and most engrossing e-Bay listing I've seen in a good long while. The auction ends in just a few hours, so even if you post this, your readers likely will miss the chance to acquire the accursed object. But all the same, it's worth a read:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3701347648



OK, so I clicked, and I was ENGROSSED with this thing. It's an amazing read, especially if you guys are into the whole super-natural thing. Check it out, it's really interesting.

[dark_kitsune]

O_O Damn.....reading that gave me chills. Absolutely the most interesting and creepy thing I've read in ages.

[NevrMore]

Whoa, I am very superstitious and interested in the supernatural, and, according to everything said, this is definitely not a coincidence. It's possible that the Keslim had used the Jewish box to seal away the Dybbuk or Dybbuk's, and put in many runes and even locks of their hair to try and prevent them from getting out, but apparantly it didn't work. It's just my thinking, though..seems very interesting.

[Meowthtrainer2k]

VERY creepy, the strangest thing of all though is who would want to buy such a thing ?

[Xssj2GohanX]

Yea, that was pretty freaky. But I think it is just as freaky that it was purchased for $280.

[YokoKurama]

Very creepy stuff here, I am very interested in things of this nature allthough i'd neve buy one.

[meteoraclown]

ooooiyy!! That was creepy as he**. That's a scary story, I have not read any scary stories in while but wwooohh that was bone chillin. Maybe they should of had buried it like the grandmother said. Maybe that's why the family didn't want it back, they prolly had those nightmares or smelled the stuff.

[Amy Rose Is Here]

0_0. That is creepy, and I highly doubt if that is coincidence. Now why would someone want to buy this?

[meteoraclown]

Maybe they like paranormal stuff either that or just plain wierd.

[Ace of Spades]

Well... Don't read that when you're at home alone sick. I coulda sworn I heard footsteps...

Anyway, that is without a doubt the most interesting eBay auction I've ever seen though. Would I have bought it? No probably not. But it is still interesting. It must be destroyed!

[bountyhunterbebop]

Good job, he opened the cabinet! That is pretty freaky. I would have never opened it tho. I cant believe anyone would want to bid on something like that.

[meteoraclown]

i would of opened it while someone was next to me watchin it be opened. either that or just buried it.

[Linzoy]

It's most likley he's just making that up, but I would still buy it if I had the money and someone didn't already. There are lots of things you can do with something like that.

[Pichuluva]

mm, that is freaky....i say he digs himself a bigger hole and destroy the piece of crap....er..burn it....

[Doctor Deadpool]

As a strong believer in the Supernatural, (I have my reasons) that was an amazing read! I am actually nervous after reading that.

[BD25]

THAT THING WAS EFFIN CREEPY!!! My mom took erm revenge on me for spending so much time on the internet and ignoring her by hiding in the house for 20 mins rite after i finisheed reading this. I thought the story of the box got her and she wasn't answering me and I was scared. I'm really superstitious and belive in the paranormal so when my mom dissapeared I cried. I didn't knwo wut to do and i was scared out of my mind. That box shud be excorcised or a Jewish Priest shud seal it up again. and to whomever bought it, i hope they dont die or w/e.

[willis]

can someone copy the text over, when i click the link I just get re directed to buy stuff.

[Calchexas]

I don't believe a bit of it, but the story is darn-interesting, let me tell you! I'd spend about $20-$40 on the thing, but not $300 =/.

[Omega Ridley]

The page isn't responding for me. Would somebody be kind enough to post the auction number (it's an 8-digit number)?

[Linzoy]

Why does everyone keep saying the cabinet should be destroyed? Shouldn't it be buried, like the original owner requested? I don't see why the story is so interesting either. It is interesting, but I’ve read a lot of storys like this, some have better evidence. The seller should have at least tried to get the shadows on tape or something.

can someone copy the text over, when i click the link I just get re directed to buy stuff.

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Description


Here's an excerpt from the original description of the box by the first seller, nw-net-trade.

All of the events that I am about to set forth in this listing are accurate and may be verified by the winning bidder with the copies of hospital records and sworn affidavits that I am including as part of the sale of the cabinet. The winning bidder will also be able to contact most of the persons mentioned herein for the purposes of verification, corroboration, and to gain insight into the full scope of whatever it is. During September of 2001, I attended an estate sale in Portland Oregon. The items liquidated at this sale were from the estate of a woman who had passed away at the age of 103. A grand-daughter of the woman told me that her grandmother had been born in Poland where she grew up, married, raised a family, and lived until she was sent to a nazi concentration camp during World War II. She was the only member of her family who survived the camp. Her parents, brothers, a sister, husband, and two sons and a daughter were all killed. She survived the camp by escaping with some other prisoners and somehow making her way to Spain where she lived until the end of the war. I was told that she acquired the small wine cabinet listed here in Spain and it was one of only three items that she brought with her when she immigrated to the United States. The other two items were a steamer trunk, and a sewing box.

I purchased the wine cabinet, along with the sewing box and some other furniture at the estate sale. After the sale, I was approached by the woman's granddaughter who said, I see you got the dibbuk box. She was referring to the wine cabinet. I asked her what a dibbuk box was, and she told me that when she was growing up, her grandmother always kept the wine cabinet in her sewing room. It was always shut, and set in a place that was out of reach. The grandmother always called it the dibbuk box. When the girl asked her grandmother what was inside, her grandmother spit three times through her fingers said, A dibbuk, and keselim. The grandmother went on to tell the girl that the wine cabinet was never, ever, to be opened.

The granddaughter told me that her grandmother had asked that the box be buried with her. However, as such a request was contrary to the rules of an orthodox Jewish burial, the grandmothers request had not been honored.

I asked the granddaughter what a dibbuk, and keselim were, but she did not know. I asked if she would like to open it with me. She did not want to open it, as her grandmother had been very emphatic and serious when she instructed her not to do so, and, regardless of the reason, she wanted to honor her grandmothers request.

I finally ended up offering to let her keep what seemed to me to be a sentimental keepsake. At that point, she was very insistent and said, No, no you bought it!

I explained that I didnt want my money back, and that it would make me feel better to do what I thought was an act of kindness. She then became somewhat upset. Looking back now, the way she became upset was just plain odd. She raised her voice to me and said, You bought it! You made a deal!

When I tried to speak, she yelled, We don't want it! She began to cry, asked me to leave, and quickly walked away. I wrote the whole episode off to the stress and grief she must have been experiencing. I took my purchases and politely left.

At the time when I bought the cabinet, I owned a small furniture refinishing business. I took the cabinet to my store, and put it in my basement workshop where I intended to refinish it and give it as a gift to my Mother. I didn't think anything more about it. I opened my shop for the day and went to run some errands leaving the young woman who did sales for me in charge.

After about a half-hour, I got a call on my cell phone. The call was from my salesperson. She was absolutely hysterical and screaming that someone was in my workshop breaking glass and swearing. Furthermore, the intruder had locked the iron security gates and the emergency exit and she couldn't get out. As I told her to call the police, my cell phone battery went dead.

I hit speeds of 100 mph getting back to the shop. When I arrived, I found the gates locked. I went inside and found my employee on the floor in a corner of my office sobbing hysterically. I ran to the basement and went downstairs. At the bottom of the stairs, I was hit by an overpowering unmistakable odor of cat urine (there had never been any animals kept or found in my shop). The lights didn't work. As I investigated, I found that the reason the lights didn't work also explained the sounds of glass breaking. All of the light bulbs in the basement were broken. All nine incandescent bulbs had been broken in their sockets, and 10 four-foot fluorescent tubes were lying shattered on the floor. I did not find an intruder, however. I should also add that there was only one entrance to the basement. It would have been impossible for anyone to leave without meeting me head-on. I went back up to speak with my salesperson, but she had left.

She never returned to work (after having been with me for two years). She refuses to discuss the incident to this day. I never thought of relating the events of that day to anything having to do with the cabinet.

Then, things got worse.

As I already indicated, I had decided to give the cabinet to my Mother as a birthday gift. About two weeks after I made the purchase, I decided to get started refinishing it. I was surprised to find that the cabinet has a unique little mechanism. When you open one of the doors, the mechanism causes the opposite door, and the little drawer below, to open at the same time. It is very well made. Inside the cabinet, I found the following items:

1 1928 U.S. Wheat Penny; 1 1925 U.S. Wheat Penny; One small lock of blonde hair (bound with string); One small lock of black/brown hair (bound with string); One small granite statue engraved and gilded with Hebrew letters (I have been told that the letters spell out the word SHALOM); One dried rosebud; One golden wine cup; One very strange black cast iron candlestick holder with octopus legs.

I saved all of the items in a box intending to return them to the estate. The family has refused the items, so they will be included in this sale of the cabinet.

After opening the cabinet, I decided not to refinish it. I cleaned it, and rubbed in some lemon oil. It was at this time that I noticed that there was an inscription in Hebrew carved into the back of the cabinet. I have no idea what it says or if it is significant. I have included a picture of that inscription below. On my mothers birthday, October 28, 2001, my mother called to tell me that she was going out of town with my sister for three days, and we postponed celebrating her birthday together until she returned. On October 31, 2001, my mother came to my shop. We were going to have lunch together, but before we were going to leave, I gave her the wine cabinet. She seemed to like it. While she examined it, I went to make a phone call. I hadn't been out of sight more than 5 minutes when one of my employees came running into my office saying that something was wrong with my mom.

When I went back to see what the matter was, I found my mom sitting in a chair beside the cabinet. Her face had no expression, but tears were streaming down her cheeks. No matter how I tried to get her to respond, she would not. She could not. It turns out that my mother had suffered a stroke. She was taken to the hospital by ambulance. She ended up suffering partial paralysis, and losing her ability to speak and form words (she has since regained the ability to speak). She could understand things being said to her, and could respond by pointing to letters of the alphabet to spell out words she wanted to say. When I asked her the following day how she was doing, she teared up and spelled out the words: N-O G-I-F-T. I assured her that I had given her a gift for her birthday, thinking that she didnt remember, but she became even more upset and spelled out the words: H-A-T-E G-I-F-T. I laughed and told her not to worry. I told her I was sorry she didnt like the cabinet, and that I would get her anything she wanted if she would promise to get well soon.

Still, I didn't associate anything that had happened with the cabinet itself or anything paranormal. Frankly, I dont think I ever even used the term paranormal until this last month.

I'll try to make this short now. I gave the cabinet to my sister. She kept it for a week, then gave it back. She complained that she couldn't get the doors to stay closed and that they kept coming open. There are no springs in the door mechanism and I have never found that the doors come open. I gave it to my brother and his wife who kept it for three days and then gave it back. My brother said it smelled like Jasmine flowers, while his wife insisted that it put out an odor of cat urine. I gave it to my girlfriend who asked me to sell it for her after only two days. I sold it the same day to a nice middle aged couple. Three days later, when I came to open the shop for the day, I found the cabinet sitting at the front doors with a note that read, This has a bad darkness. I had no idea what that meant. Anyway, I ended up taking it home.

Then, things got even worse.

Since the day I brought it home, I began having a strange recurring nightmare. Every time I have the horrible dream it goes something like this: I find myself walking with a friend, usually someone I know well and trust at some point in the dream, I find myself looking into the eyes of the person that I am with. It is then that I realize that there is something different, something evil looking back at me. At that point in my dream, the person I am with changes into what can only be described as the most gruesome, demonic looking Hag that I have ever seen. This Hag proceeds then, to beat the living tar out of me. I have awakened numerous times to find bruises and marks on myself where I had been hit by the old woman during the previous night. Still, I never related the nightmares to the cabinet, nor do I think that I ever would have.

About a month ago, however, my sister, and my brother and his wife came over to my house and spent the night. The following morning, during breakfast, my sister complained that she had had a horrible nightmare. She said that she recalled having had it a couple of times before, and went on to describe my nightmare exactly to the last detail. My brother and his wife froze as they listened, and then chimed in that they had both had had the exact same dreams during the night as well. The hair was standing up on the back of my neck and still is. As we talked, it became clear that the common denominator was that each of us had had the nightmare during the times that the cabinet was in our respective homes. I called my girlfriend and asked if she could recall having any nightmares recently. She described the same nightmare, same Hag, everything. When I asked her if she remembered the date when she had the nightmare, she said she did not. Then I asked if it happened to be the night before she gave me the cabinet back to sell for her. She said, Yeah! Hey, how did you know that?!!!

Now then, since my family discussion, it seems like all hell is breaking loose. For a week afterward I started seeing what I can only describe as shadow things in my peripheral vision. In fact, numerous visitors to my house have claimed that they have seen these shadow things. I put the cabinet in an outside storage unit and was awakened when the smoke alarm in the unit went off in the middle of the night. When I went to see what was burning, I opened the door and didnt see any smoke. However, I did get hit with the smell of cat urine. When I went back inside, the smell was there in my house. I DO NOT OWN A CAT AND I NEVER HAVE. I went back outside and grabbed the cabinet. I brought it back inside and tried to research it on the Internet. While I was surfing the net, I fell asleep and once again had the same freakin nightmare. I woke up at around 4:30am (when it felt and smelled like someone was breathing on my neck) to find that my house now smelled like Jasmine flowers, and just in time to see a HUGE shadow thing go loping down the hall away from me.

I would destroy this thing in a second, except I really dont have any understanding of what I may or may not be dealing with. I am afraid (and I do mean afraid) that if I destroy the cabinet, whatever it is that seems to have come with the cabinet may just stay here with me. I have been told that there are people who shop on EBAY that understand these kinds of things and specifically look for these kinds of items. If you are one of these people, please, please buy this cabinet and do whatever you do with a thing like this. Help me.

You can see that I have no reserve price or minimum bid. If I can make things any easier let me know and I will do everything within my abilities.

One more note. On the same day my Mom had her stroke, the lease to my store was summarily terminated without cause.

The measurements are 12.5" x 7.5" x 16.25"

ALL OF THE ITEMS THAT I ORIGINALLY FOUND INSIDE THE CABINET ARE INCLUDED IN THE SALE AND WILL BE DELIVERED WITH THE CABINET.
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I bought the box from the first sellar above in the Ebay auction around June of 2003, out of curiosity about the 'haunted' box. After receiving a deluge of e-mail about the box, I set up a web site to answer some questions, which I stopped updating in September and haven't updated to this day because I didn't want to talk about it with anyone.

For the sake of information, I found that a dibbuk/dybbuk in Jewish folklore/mythology/teaching/whatever is a misplaced spirit that can neither rise to Heaven nor descend into Hell, essentially stuck in Limbo or purgatory. Here's another definition I found: 1. (Jewish folklore) a demon that enters the body of a living person and controls that body's behavior. Synonyms: dybbuk. 2. Evil Spirits, that cause mental illness, rage and changes of personality. The spirit or soul of a dead person that inhabits the body of a living one, with sometimes evil, sometimes positive results.

If you believe in paranormal phenomena, the box contains or is possessed by at least one dibbuk, possibly two, as the grandmother stated: a dibbuk, and a keslim. Keselim is a term similar to a turkish word that means "priest." This would probably correspond to the pair of wrapped strands of blonde and brown/black hair.

The Hebrew carving on the back, to my knowledge, is a relatively common Jewish prayer: Hear O Israel, the Lord is our God, the Lord is one. Blessed is the name of his honored kingdom forever. Said frequently at times of fear, death, etc...

I was doubtful of the 'haunted' box, and I still don't believe in the paranormal. What happened in August and Septemember is likely coincidental, so I will relate it as I originally wrote it down in a log.

Sunday, 31 August 2003 Over the last week some interesting, though possibly coincidental, items of note have come up. Firstly, I share a house with six other people; we have been taking turns sleeping with the box in each of our rooms.
Two people are now complaining of burning eyes, one is listless and depleted of energy, and another became spontaneously sick. [In retrospect I would say it was alergies.]
A few days after these ongoing annoyances started, the air outside our house was filled with small bugs for several hours (a Friday). [Weird summer stuff?]
Last night (Saturday) we discovered that the box, now located in the back corner of the house, had come mostly open, though it had been shut and it seems unlikely that anyone could or would have touched it.

Wednesday, 10 September 2003 Though it seems impossible to prove that the box is a direct cause of misfortune, we have definitely seen a tidal wave of "bad luck."
Strange odors now permeate the house, the dumpster out back overflows with trash and decay, one roomate suddenly got bronchitis, and I broke a finger.
Several mice have died in the engine of one car, and more electronic devices seem to be dying everyday: xbox, toaster, t.v., and watches.
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I don't really want to talk about anything between September and January, so I'll just say that I'm selling the box now for a couple reasons:

1. Around October 6th, I started feeling bad, with trouble sleeping. This problem has persisted through today.
2. I live alone now, and as of late I have noticed replacing a lot of burnt out lightbulbs, and getting many unusual car repairs (transmission fluid was burned out of the reservoir.)
3. I've started seeing things, sort of like large vertical dark blurs in my periphreal vision.
4. I smell something like juniper bushes or stingy ammonia in my garage often, and I have no idea what from.
5. Most disturbingly, last Tuesday (1-27-2004), my hair began to fall out. Today (Friday) it's about half gone. I'm in my early twenties, and I just got a clean blood test back from the doctor's. Maybe it's stress related, I don't know.



Anyhow, for personal reasons I very strongly do not want this box anymore. I hope there's someone on Ebay that will take this thing off of my hands. [I would just throw it away in the woods or something, but I know there has been some interest in it in the past.]

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The number is 3701347648

[Zad515]

That was very creepy indeed. I don't know if he's telling the truth about the whole haunted thing, but he does have the correct translation of the Hebrew (I'm Jewish so I can read Hebrew).

[Shiro the Commander]

Man what the hell !?!?! Dang that was creepy indeed.

[x0xRedEyesx0x]

Reading that really gave me the creeps...but yeah...pretty good description...lol...

[Phantom]

As every one has said it freaked me out!!!!!! Man if only i could meet this guy i want to talk about more with him get into the story more. Frankly what think that well whatever it is is a demon { im christian } cuz they righting said wit took over people well i dont no the vers but in the bible jesus casted out a demon of this guy and jews believe in demons to just not that Jesus not Gods son (which i think he is) and in my closeing i would like to say.

I MUST MEET HIM!!!!!! :D

[YamiMarik'sRevenge]

Holy crap! That is THE creepiest/most interesting thing I have read in a long time. I don't blame this guy for trying to get rid of it, and evn if it is a hoax, this guy should write novels or something because that was scary as he11. I read that at around 12:30 this morning and I couldn't sleep. You know when you see a scary movie, and your mind plays tricks on you (damn imagination), that is what I felt like laying awake in bed for 2 hours. He should have buried it (far away I might add) like the old lady wanted it to be.
~Yami

[BerserkerAzn]

I'm glad I read this at 3 in the Afternoon, else I wouldn't have done anything around the house with the lights on. I'm sorry to say this but If I had the box I would BLOW IT UP. I'm a fan of the supernatural but the freakishly supernaturla deserves to be BLOWN UP. Now that might not solve the problem but it'd give me a little sense of relief.:)

Plus my parents are old school asian and have their own "methods" of supernatural protection.

[Arky]

Am I one of the only ones that believes that this is a load crap?

[Chicken Whacker]

Wow, I'm scared now. Reading that gave me the Chills.

[Jo Mamma]

Am I one of the only ones that believes that this is a load crap?

Certaintly not. I have indeed read his whole story, I, for one, don't believe in many supersitisions but something about this gives me that -- feeling...

I would like to hear from the customer who bought the whine box, if he/she adds on to this theme then it is believeable.

Scary as hell it was, though.

[mynameisdarrink]

Am I one of the only ones that believes that this is a load crap?
It's a good story, but it's a load of bull.

[Artful_Drowning]

Wow. That totally gave me the chills...I need to stop reading stuff like that at night when I'm the only person awake in my house and almost all the lights are off... x_x

[Death'sBestFriend]

AAAAIIEEE!Reading that gave me goosebumps!I'm
in to supernatural stuff like this
and it usually doesn't scare me.........But this time
it gave me the willies......I read the story a few
days ago,when it was raining,and thundering....... :eek:


But it was a good story,true or not. :D

[da_man3489]

Creeeeeeeeeeeepy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[WildWill]

Bumping, 'cause I can.

The box has it's own site now.

http://www.dibbukbox.com/

And there's been updates!

[Blue Sea Dragoon]

I must admit, that's a freaky story. I don't believe a word of it, but it still gives me the chills.

[Near]

The best part of it is that the box sold for 280$ [The latest auction]
http://www.andrew.cmu.edu/user/rubyc/eBay_dibbuk.htm

It's more like he sold the story than the actual box..
I don't personally don't believe that story for a second.
I haven't found it that scary either, but it was an interesting read.

[WildWill]

I take most things with a grain of salt, but since Halloween is coming up, I thought I'd bump it up for y'all. Plus I printed the site on my color printer at work.

The new "connection" to Kristalnicht is interesting as well.

Do I believe it all? I'm skeptical as they come, but for all of this to be a hoax seems pretty strange.

I wonder if there's anything on snopes.

[TheParanoidAndroid]

I have a feeling this is a viral marketing campaign for a movie. This is what I found when I Googled it: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0431021/ (or, the movie is based on the box...)

The story still gives me the chills, though.

[WildWill]

That would be interesting, IF the story hadn't appeared WAY before a movie was even a thought. The movie is actually based on an LA Times reporter's investigations into this particular box. And the eBay auctions were legitmate, and also several years old at this point.

I checked Snopes, nothing.

Also, these types of boxes do exist in the Kaballah and other forms of Jewish Mysticism.

[Crusader87]

This is very interesting indeed. I'm sort of a fan of the supernatural, but i can be skeptical at times. I find some paranormal things hard to believe, but this one seems to be legitimate.

The story of the original buyer is down right creepy and there seems to be way too many coincidences for this to be a hoax (after all he said he back every thing up). What adds to the story's validity is that the buyer himself is a skeptic, and mis fortunate things have happened to all of the owners.

[Black Paladin]

I'm glad I read this at 3 in the Afternoon, else I wouldn't have done anything around the house with the lights on. I'm sorry to say this but If I had the box I would BLOW IT UP. I'm a fan of the supernatural but the freakishly supernaturla deserves to be BLOWN UP. Now that might not solve the problem but it'd give me a little sense of relief.:)

Plus my parents are old school asian and have their own "methods" of supernatural protection.

Yup, that's the solution to everything. BLOW IT UP :D


Am I one of the only ones that believes that this is a load crap?

I'm a really reluctant believer of the supernatural (REALLY reluctant). SO yeah, I'll be skeptical. Whoever wrote that should go publish a book or something.

Still, I wouldn't want that cabinet in my house. That article already mind-***** me.

[Zenos_the_dragon_god]

I din't see it can you summeris it for me

[WildWill]

I din't see it can you summeris it for me

Don't be lazy - click the link in my post above and read it for your own self.

[i like pie94]

Yeah its worth the long read.

Freaky. But i do have some questions wouldnt you connect the dots after the first two things the lady refusing to take it back and the light bulbs. Kind of easy to figure out. Entertaining but hopefully not true.

[DRaMa]

I live in Salem...
;_;

[Zenos_the_dragon_god]

I did click it before i posted and its over i cant find it. gone finito

[Near]

I did click it before i posted and its over i cant find it. gone finito
Not the one in the first post. This:
http://www.dibbukbox.com/

Someone also posted the description in the first page of this thread.

[Junior]

Did anyone here something unlocking and closing when they clicked on the link? That really freaked me out..

Yes, that is one freaky thing. It's hard to believe yet hard to not believe if anyone gets me. That is some scary story... >.<"

[Omega Ridley]

Did anyone here something unlocking and closing when they clicked on the link? That really freaked me out..

Yes, that is one freaky thing. It's hard to believe yet hard to not believe if anyone gets me. That is some scary story... >.<"
Yeah, the cabinet is actually an animated gif(or was it a flash movie? I didn't care enough to check. Probably the latter.)

Here is a couple of items that agetron has purchased recently:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260150209469
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200150234619

This could very well be a hoax. On the other hand...

There are many things that humans should not do, especially when they do not understand. The old woman had a dying wish and it was not fulfilled. Perhaps this will all be laid to rest when the cabinet is buried with her? Then the hag and the priest will pass over.

EDIT: On another note, I never actually bothered to check this thread for so many years after asking for the description. Today is the first time I have read it.

[Yussa Tampon]

um... this is something you'd find in some old creep's basement right next to his toys.

^^^ the equivalent to that.

whatever. the story sounds really exagerated to be true. just blow the thing to bits imo

[i like pie94]

lol yeah but it's entertaining the cabinet is explainable seeing as how he said he works with stuff like that but the candle holder lol

[Junior]

I don't get it though, why didn't they just bury the box with the lady?

[Mage Master]

I believe that the article said that it was against Jewish beliefs to do such a thing. Something to that effect anyway.

[Sword_Stalker]

i think someone should make a scary movie about this story, i probably would see it. although that one film "8 films to die for" about dancing on the dead seems similar so it might not work.

it is not similar though.

[agetron]

Hello!
I am the caretaker of the Dibbuk Box and was able to link to your site due to the link that someone made on your site to the Dibbuk Box site. It is pretty simple - when I checked the www.myhosting.com statistics for the box's site I saw that you had a good number of hits coming from the Pojo website. So... I have checked it out - saw what you said - noted you have been watching my ebay purchases and such - and I have decided to respond back.

I will answer some of your musings. The box is still active and still exists in my care. That being said, I have worked with Rabbis, Kabbalist, scientific paranormal investigators and other experts to calm the box's activity. By using rare woods and material similar to the Ark of the Convenant, I have created an ark container and since putting the Dibbuk Box inside, I have had a good bit of relief from its actions.

The Dibbuk Box was bought at the Jewish estate auction in Portland around October of 2001. It sold to the college kids in June 2003. I bought it and have reseached it and its contents since Feb. 2004. It is now Oct. 2007 and the pre-production for the film has not even begun. All of these dates can be confirmed by the original postings still found on Google. Now really, do you think that film producers would be doing a marketing story for a film seven years in advance of production?? If so... then you don't know the film industry. They can hardly keep focused on a film for one year at a time. I just felt the need to point the obvious out to you. And, I was contacted earlier this week the film is still going forward - the screenplay which isalmost finished had to be written from scratch because there is no book. The various ownership stories and the owners are unrelated - the film producers know this which is why the film will be based as listed on facts - not ficition.

As to my recent ebay purchases. Havela the 103-year old Jewish woman who wanted to be buried with the box - collected the various items, had them ritualistically altered and created what is now known as the Dibbuk Box. You see from the ebay purchases I recently made that I am still researching all of those items themselves - checking for similarities and differences too. Hence, the octopus iron candlestick, and liquor cabinet (that acts like an aron Hakodish - cabinet for the Torah) I bought in the last two months. I have worked for years and only found a hand full of the pieces - and even they are not exactly the same.

Read the www.dibbukbox.com story. In the research area I say the candlestick is called Peking Glass circa 1890-1910 (the company burned to the ground in 1920). The one I recently bought has a glass base - the original Dibbuk Box base is wooden - painted black and severly burned. And, the cabinet is a converted liquor box with an odd manner of opening. These do exist, but I have yet to find one with the same grape applique motif and bronze triangle hinges. When you look you will also discover a variety of Jewish and Holocaust purchases on my ebay buys - that is part of researching. It really does not matter to me if you believe in this artifact or not - I just wanted to clarify a few points for those who are curious.

Any other questions?

Regards,
Agetron

[Omega Ridley]

Can you, at this moment, present pictures of the osteopathic cup purchased in between the candle stick and the cabinet?

[WildWill]

Wow, I don't know whether to be honored or terrified! But that's way cool that you decided to join us up just because of the hits.

[TheParanoidAndroid]

Any other questions?

Has the box given you any bad luck, or weird phenomenon?

[agetron]

So Omega...
I sent you a message - send me an email address and I'll send an image of the cup - plus a bit more to you. That should prove the point that I am indeed agetron.

Additional Comment:

As I mentioned, the box was a lot of trouble until it was sealed about 7 months ago in an acacia ark lined in 24 kt. gold. Now it is much easier. Burns, hives, choking, prophetic dreams, dark shapes and light flashing have all calmed down. Life is better now - the box is still put away and I don't bother it - would you???

[WildWill]

Um...no. I sure wouldn't. Have you contacted the Kabbalah Center here in Los Angeles? I'd be curious as to what they had to say.

[agetron]

Um...no. I sure wouldn't. Have you contacted the Kabbalah Center here in Los Angeles? I'd be curious as to what they had to say.

No I haven't. I am not in the LA area. Although those that have helped have come from England, to New York to Denver and everywhere inbetween. It is an enigma even to the best - which is fine. I didn't expect much more - most are just guessing - some are better than others.
Agetron

[Omega Ridley]

I have seen the coffee cup as proof and I can say without a doubt that this user is definitely agetron.

How far are you willing to go to find similar pieces? Do you plan on visiting each and every antique shop?

EDIT: Upon closer inspection of the site I found that the cabinet at the top is flawed. First, look at the cabinet in the original auction:
http://www.andrew.cmu.edu/user/rubyc/eBay_dibbuk_files/c8_1.jpg

Now look at the animated cabinet:
http://www.dibbukbox.com/

Look at the top right of the inside of the cabinet door. At what point was this part reattached?

[Junior]

Do I believe that you are Agetron or not? Hmm...

Do you mind posting photos on this thread? You can host photos/pictures on photobucket.com

EDIT: Although your typings are similar. =\

[agetron]

I have seen the coffee cup as proof and I can say without a doubt that this user is definitely agetron.

How far are you willing to go to find similar pieces? Do you plan on visiting each and every antique shop?

EDIT: Upon closer inspection of the site I found that the cabinet at the top is flawed. First, look at the cabinet in the original auction:
http://www.andrew.cmu.edu/user/rubyc/eBay_dibbuk_files/c8_1.jpg

Now look at the animated cabinet:
http://www.dibbukbox.com/

Look at the top right of the inside of the cabinet door. At what point was this part reattached?
In reply:
I have been looking for matching pieces to the original since aquiring the Dibbuk Box. I have 3 extra of the silverplate brass cups and 4 of the candlesticks, and 5 of the liquor cabinets.

Additional Comment:

In reply:
I have been looking for matching pieces to the original since aquiring the Dibbuk Box. I have 3 extra of the silverplate brass cups and 4 of the candlesticks, and 5 of the liquor cabinets.
As to the repaired damage from the eBay auction. Your are correct, the second owner (college kids) reinstalled the small wooden rack from the inside door - but it is the real and original Dibbuk Box,

[O_Master]

Send this "Dibbuk box" to me for a few nights. I guarantee I'll sleep (with it in my bed) like a baby.

Sorry guys, just not buying into this whole haunted wine cabinet.


O_Master

[grim mouser]

I wouldn't consider myself very superstitious, but this seems quite legit. It's interesting about how it is shaped like a Torah cabinet. I'm not Jewish, but I have a friend that is and it is indeed similar.

...IMO, they should've obeyed Havela's wishes, even if against orthodox methods.

[agetron]

Hello Mouser,
Until I started researching the individual items and origins of the Dibbuk Box I would have had the same opinion as O Master - hence, I was less concerned about the mysticism aspects and more about the physical history of this item and the sum of its pieces. As I have delved into the 2,000 years of Jewish mysticism and reading the recently translated sefers (or ancient texts), I am more drawn into the spiritual aspects which are most amazing. Havela took available items and converted them into a ritualistic container that can be used by anyone. Thus, her desire to have it buried with her. In not following her wishes the family inadvertently set the box into motion - and it does not have an off switch. At best it can be stablized much like she kept it in her sewing room - away from others.

[Junior]

It might be made up, it might not. Either way, it's creepy and I will never, EVER take my chances with it.

[grim mouser]

Do you have any theories about what may happen if it was destroyed or buried?

[Junior]

About burying or destroying, wouldn't it be better to bury it with her since she wished for it? They should've done that in the first place anyone seeing how it's a "dying wish".

[agetron]

To Mouser-
It is a well known fact to Rabbis (and Wiccan alike) that burying an object lets the earth naturally and slowly drain the energy away like a battery in an ipod or other gadget that has been left turned on. To recycle photocopies of Sacred Writings (or anything like an amulet) with the name of God on it the Rabbis put these no longer needed items in a box called a Genizah found in the synagogue - once filled they bury the box and its contents. It is likely at some point I too will bury this item. However - I am not sure that would be the best thing to do just yet. It may be a moot point the current acacia ark container with 24 kt. gold lining may be doing the same thing.. The gold lining - if not creating a wall around the Dibbuk Box... may already be slowly short-circuiting the energy and hence drawing it down slowly - above the ground, or it may block the energy, but not drain it - I am not really sure. I do know that the combnation of stones with Shalom written on it that is inside the box is acting as a battery of sorts like quartz crystals that have energy and are able to run small clocks.

Junior -
As to Havela's wish to have it buried with her - I am not sure that would work. But, I am pretty confident in my research that i stumbled upon where the grave site is located and oddly she does not have a stone (or did not) - it is just a location. Getting the box there and keeping it in the ground could be a problem.

[grim mouser]

Well, now it makes sense. Thanks for explaining.

[WildWill]

To Mouser-
It is a well known fact to Rabbis (and Wiccan alike) that burying an object lets the earth naturally and slowly drain the energy away like a battery in an ipod or other gadget that has been left turned on. To recycle photocopies of Sacred Writings (or anything like an amulet) with the name of God on it the Rabbis put these no longer needed items in a box called a Genizah found in the synagogue - once filled they bury the box and its contents. It is likely at some point I too will bury this item. However - I am not sure that would be the best thing to do just yet. It may be a moot point the current acacia ark container with 24 kt. gold lining may be doing the same thing.. The gold lining - if not creating a wall around the Dibbuk Box... may already be slowly short-circuiting the energy and hence drawing it down slowly - above the ground, or it may block the energy, but not drain it - I am not really sure. I do know that the combnation of stones with Shalom written on it that is inside the box is acting as a battery of sorts like quartz crystals that have energy and are able to run small clocks.

Junior -
As to Havela's wish to have it buried with her - I am not sure that would work. But, I am pretty confident in my research that i stumbled upon where the grave site is located and oddly she does not have a stone (or did not) - it is just a location. Getting the box there and keeping it in the ground could be a problem.


Fascinating. I am curious though, what might make it difficult to keep the box underground if indeed you buried it with Havela?

[grim mouser]

I think he means it might be stolen, but then again I suppose no one really knows where Havela's burial place is.

[agetron]

Mouser and Wildwill,
If I can find the spot others can find it. I just followed the logical trail and figured out the clues. It was really not that hard. Also, how many 103-year old Jewish woman are there dying in the Portland area each year?

Plus if the family sees the ground has been disturbed - assuming I could get in there and dig unnoticed - do you think they or anyone else would just ignore it? No, no ... that is my worry it would just end up in someone else's hands to be kept or passed on. I would rather put it somewhere myself and know it would not be disturbed.
Jason

[WildWill]

Honestly though, I wonder why anyone else would want the box, but I guess there are people who would.

The story gets more and more interesting.

[yamivash 0]

Im hi im joining in late but have been reading the whole thing and I was wondering if the earth does indeed drain the energy wont all those bad vibes turn into something evil or rotten here on earth?

OR does the energy just disaprear?

Theory?

[agetron]

Yamivash,
Nasty stuff has been buried in the earth for 1000's of years. Like water filtering through the layers of the soil to become clean at the water table, so I guuess the energy of all things is cleansed and released to the greater energy of the world. Again, I am not a paranormal expert - just someone catchng up and reading on my own.

As to WildWill's query... who would want it? The answer is hundreds of nut cases out there. I try to stay clear of them, but they find me online and through the internet and they seem driven to get to the box. My isolated location is a big help in buffering most of them away - but the day is coming I believe when some nutter will try to get the box for who knows what?!

[grim mouser]

Mouser and Wildwill,
If I can find the spot others can find it. I just followed the logical trail and figured out the clues. It was really not that hard. Also, how many 103-year old Jewish woman are there dying in the Portland area each year?

Plus if the family sees the ground has been disturbed - assuming I could get in there and dig unnoticed - do you think they or anyone else would just ignore it? No, no ... that is my worry it would just end up in someone else's hands to be kept or passed on. I would rather put it somewhere myself and know it would not be disturbed.
Jason

I agree, when someone goes there (very likely, too), they would notice and shortly later the box would be dug up. Back to square one then.

[agetron]

Mouser,
I might add - it's not a nuclear weapon - a box with spiritual energy. If someone got their hands on it, I think they can only do so much damage and it would be mostly to self - no the world would not end nor the hounds of hell be released. It is more of a hassle and an unfinished task if it is floating around out there... that is my main concern.

[grim mouser]

Right. I meant that the problem might arise again, although for a different person (similar to passing it on).

[Omega Ridley]

Mouser,
I might add - it's not a nuclear weapon - a box with spiritual energy. If someone got their hands on it, I think they can only do so much damage and it would be mostly to self - no the world would not end nor the hounds of hell be released. It is more of a hassle and an unfinished task if it is floating around out there... that is my main concern.

Wouldn't it be possible though, if it this box was left in a major public area where this type of energy already exists and would amplify the box?

[agetron]

Hello Omega,
I think that a lot of the spiritual energy is amplified mostly if one is aware of the box and its history. The personal knowledge and connection is like triggering a switch.

To move the box near to a person that has no understanding of it or connection - might cause nothing to happen to them at all - no connection and no energy current.
Regards,
Jason

[Sword_Stalker]

ever thought of making a time capsule and putting it in there.

or, although this may be wrong.

find something else, maybe of pure evil and put it in the box, and put it in the time capsule or give it to someone that has been mean to you, maybe find other dibbuk boxes and put them together

although i don't think mixing of dangerous forces is a good idea.

[agetron]

Hello Whoisthewordstalker,
I have told my teenage children to bury it with me when I die. They both hate the artifact. Their response is no way - for differing reasons it seems.

If I do bury it at some point... it will be in such a way to preserve it and also make it impossible to retrieve (or at least damn difficult).
Agetron

[Junior]

You could try a couple of "purifying" methods if that would ever work. :p

[agetron]

Actuallly about two years ago I did a sea salt, and burned sage purifying action upon the box and it started to draw water to itself even though it was in a dry and contained area. This was suggested by a healing psychic in Australia - she has her own radio show that investigates the paranormal. While I performed her ritual her entire home filled with sage smoke out of nowhere - you can read about this incident on her web site: Lia and John Ramses Haunted Australia) In the next, containment, it completely corroded the lock while in a metal gun cabinet within three days- sealing itself inside. I had to work several hours to bust it out with chisel and hammer. That is the last time I tried to seal it until it went into the Acacia ark with gold lining - about 7-months ago which has helped.
Jason
Agetron

[Omega Ridley]

Hello Omega,
I think that a lot of the spiritual energy is amplified mostly if one is aware of the box and its history. The personal knowledge and connection is like triggering a switch.

To move the box near to a person that has no understanding of it or connection - might cause nothing to happen to them at all - no connection and no energy current.
Regards,
JasonThen how were the other victims affected if they did not know of the dibbuk? They all spent time with the box and experienced the same symptoms as well as bad luck or suffered various misfortunes, but it is not explicitly clear whether or not they knew what was contained or its history.

[agetron]

Hello Omega,
The Ramses had been aware of the Dibbuk BOx for some time and been giving feedback and advice. It was their request for EVP that caused me to disturb the box - it would seem it struck back at them. Here is the Ramses story link: http://www.hauntedaustralia.com/content/view/85/45/

My point is that someone unaware of the box would be less likely relate the affect to the box and that may offer a degree of protection. Still, oppression and dreams of the hag might occur. Again, it is all theoritical - who really knows it is just a guess - I see your point too.
agetron

[Omega Ridley]

Ah, so you were never actually IN Australia... Maybe the box can act as a portal or transmitter depending on the actions taken on it? You should try different things and see what happens. There may be more than a few uses of the Dibbuk Box.

[wrathchild]

that story kicked ass, he he that guy saw shadow figures too? an old couple died in my house from a fire, when it was rebuilt my parents bought it and now EVERYBODY that visits my house, including friends and family, see shadowy figures, Ive seen'em numerous times.

If I knew about that auction earlier I would of bought it, Im not really afraid of that kind of stuff even though I know its not good, Im just curious about it and I like the rush I get when Im scared, Im used to it anyway since there is something not from this world dwelling in my house.

[agetron]

Omega,
You hit it on the head as far as the Ramses are concerned. They actually had several issues with the Dibbuk Box, but as they work in the field of the paranormal it did not concern them as much.

Still, I have refrained from doing the very things you suggest - poking and taunting the box. I leave it un-disturbed as much as possible. I am into artifacts not the spiritual stuff that sometimes comes with them.
Agetron

Additional Comment:

Hello Wrathchild,
Ahhh yes... to be young and fearless. Enjoy it... I think caution comes with age - too bad. I live in an older home and as a result people have died here babies, young adults and old folks. Still the atmosphere was always positive and hopeful - until the box came - now it is pretty dark and oppressive at times.
Agetron

[wrathchild]

Omega,
You hit it on the head as far as the Ramses are concerned. They actually had several issues with the Dibbuk Box, but as they work in the field of the paranormal it did not concern them as much.

Still, I have refrained from doing the very things you suggest - poking and taunting the box. I leave it un-disturbed as much as possible. I am into artifacts not the spiritual stuff that sometimes comes with them.
Agetron

Additional Comment:

Hello Wrathchild,
Ahhh yes... to be young and fearless. Enjoy it... I think caution comes with age - too bad. I live in an older home and as a result people have died here babies, young adults and old folks. Still the atmosphere was always positive and hopeful - until the box came - now it is pretty dark and oppressive at times.
Agetron

would you care to share your experiences with us ever since you stumbled upon the box?

Theres something similar going on in my house too. As I stated before an old couple died in a fire and everybody that visits my house often sees "shadows" roaming about, but theres something buried behind my house too, except that we cant really get a hold of whatever it is. The dog occassionaly barks at it, and my aunt peaked through a hole to see what it was and she said for sure its a wooden box thing. Sometimes I think its best to leave it alone and let the shadowy figures roam about, but Im really curious to know what is buried down there, perhaps another dybbuk box? or perhaps $$$$ that the old couple left there just for me :D!

[Junior]

It could perhaps be ashes but lets stay on topic.

Agetron, have you ever tried disposing the box? If you have, what methods have you tried and how did they turn out?

[agetron]

Okay Wrathchild,
Your issues sound pretty typical when there is a sudden unexpectant death. the dark shadows - if they are the couple that died will tend to trace their natural walking paths and hours - it is like residual energy. You can reduce these by smudging with sage (putting burnt sage through your home), then using sea salt across the outside of entrances to your home. Visualize protective columns at the corners of your property (N-S-E-W)and invision them connecting together like a barrier with your house inside - these should all help with your problem.

The box has magnified that energy in my home too it seems. Over the last 100 years there have been 5 deaths in the home. My daughter feels the flashes of dark or images are becomig more frequent around her. She avoids the box and any conversation about it. As these dark shapes have not harmed her - she is ignoring them. Soon after receiving the box I was constantly choaking, fatiqued, gained weight, had eye problems, vision loss, and sleeping problems. This continued until I contained the box in its own special ark of acacia wood with gold lining. That has stopped most of the problems. A variety of issues from my clothes causing burns to others - if I had been near the box in the clothes, exploding lights, bug swarms to the box and it drawing moisture have been documented too. The odors typically appear if the box has been moved or plans for it have been made - such as a future move. I can not list all the issues from the last 4 years. One thing is true it can manifest itself to others from great distances including Sweden, England, Australia, and most recently near Phoenix, Arizona. Those that get too involved in it tend to have problems that seem to later resort to better life situations - so it is not all bad. I hope that helps.
agetron

[Neko]

What's the guy's ebay name? I'm going to see if he still has the Cabinet or who he sold it to and buy it. I have a very high spiritual awareness. So if there is anything in that Cabinet, I'll either help it or destroy it.

[agetron]

Hello Dark Neko,
I have the Dibbuk Box - my ebay name is agetron - the box was not sold after the last purchase made by me in Feb 2004.

Information on the box can be found at a website I created www.dibbukbox.com I appreciate your offer to assist - but the box is not for sale or able to be shown to anyone at this point in time. I am under quite a few constraints until the true story film is out, so I could not legally get rid of the box even if I wanted to... lawyers. I have contained it and am waiting with it for now.
Thanks,
agetron

[Sword_Stalker]

ever thought of washing the dibbuk box, maybe the box is pretty much soaked with cat pee that ammonia is messing with you, and the lavender(or whatever perfume it was) was a means to cover it up. maybe it is just really dirty and the heat from lights or such is releasing the ammonia and whatever else that tried to cover it up, and with the artificial lights and such it releases it. maybe a mold inspector should be brought in to see if it is dangerous to people(?).

but i have this urge to collect as much spiritually dangerous objects and put them in one room, to see how horrible it is. like if i bring 100 dibbuk boxes and put them in one room, what will happen.

[agetron]

Hello Whoistheswordstalker,
You raised the very same point as me when I received the box and had injuries to my eyes the next morning. Residual ammonia can really mess with your health as could a number of things (mold too!). I had the box swabbed and analyzed. You can do that easily enough these days for a number of harmful materials including, mercury, lead and ammonia. It was clean nothing but mahogany wood. By the way, typically it has the scent of fresh wood inside only when tampered with or moved does it have either the urine scent of jasmine flowery scent. Thanks for the response.
Agetron

[Sword_Stalker]

maybe the mahogany wood was rotten before they made the dibbuk box, and you are feeling queezy from it just rotting.

it might have had a cat pee on it, they washed it and used lavender, although there wouldn't be any traces found outside the box, it might have seeped in the cracks. if you smell the smell again and have the ark open, maybe try and find the exact source by smelling the parts of the box.'

i still think that what happened was a neighbors cat was marking its territory, they found it and thought the box was good, tried washing it and still smelled it, and then used lavender and the smell just went away, they washed it again and didn't notice the smell anymore and just kept it clean for the most part. i just wonder how the lights would have messed up.

if i am right, the box should be able to come apart or has cracks in it.

if it is spiritual energy, maybe proof of ghosts and ghouls can be found if you bring an explosive amount of spiritual energy in one room, like ghostbusters(2?) then photograph with cameras. of course it might also harm yourself

[senseker]

I would so love to own that box.Like seriously.

I grew up in the town of Colma,which is effectively the city of the dead.I grew up around the paranormal.I love it.

[grim mouser]

It seems some people would just like to have the box for what is is, rather than research (me too). Actually I would rather not have it. xD

@ senseker: Colma? Never heard of it. =( To Google! ;]

Edit: 73% of the city is cemeteries? You must be a tough guy then. =O

[senseker]

It seems some people would just like to have the box for what is is, rather than research (me too). Actually I would rather not have it. xD

@ senseker: Colma? Never heard of it. =( To Google! ;]

Edit: 73% of the city is cemeteries? You must be a tough guy then. =O

There are 16 cemetaries in Colma.One being a pet cemetary.

[agetron]

maybe the mahogany wood was rotten before they made the dibbuk box, and you are feeling queezy from it just rotting.

it might have had a cat pee on it, they washed it and used lavender, although there wouldn't be any traces found outside the box, it might have seeped in the cracks. if you smell the smell again and have the ark open, maybe try and find the exact source by smelling the parts of the box.'

i still think that what happened was a neighbors cat was marking its territory, they found it and thought the box was good, tried washing it and still smelled it, and then used lavender and the smell just went away, they washed it again and didn't notice the smell anymore and just kept it clean for the most part. i just wonder how the lights would have messed up.

if i am right, the box should be able to come apart or has cracks in it.

if it is spiritual energy, maybe proof of ghosts and ghouls can be found if you bring an explosive amount of spiritual energy in one room, like ghostbusters(2?) then photograph with cameras. of course it might also harm yourself



Let me assure you you, I know what marked areas of cat urine smell like and there is none of that or lavendar/jasmine perfume on the box at all. In general it smells just fine - actually it has a very clean, spicey wood scent to it - no mold, or rotten smells or anything like that - hence, no hidden cat scent somehow sprayed on it. There are no cracks or hidden areas - it is consistent through and through. However, then it will change in an instant to urine or jasmine briefly and then go back to its regular spicey scent.
Agetron

Additional Comment:

Senseker,
Sounds like your town has more than enough dead in it. Why so many cemetaries? War casualties... plague (Spanish Flu of 1917-1919)? This box is certainly a Jewish enigma of sorts - brought on my kishuf - or jewish magic and mysticism, but I am discovering it is certainly not the only of its kind. Keep your eyes open - there are plenty of other items that are touchstones to the dead and spirit world.
Agetron

[Darth Payne]

Does the fact that this scares me ****less mean I'm immature?

[Sword_Stalker]

yes, yes it does.

maybe there is a type of spice that smells like it or the container had some perfume, both good and bad, throughout the years and that is what you are smelling.

i just wonder how a smell could break lights, in the first story, the box(or something) destroyed all of the lights in a basement, would the basement be cold or hot? could some sort of airborne thing just blowout it?

maybe the dibbuk box held medical supplies and one of them were smelling salts, or someone had narcolepsy and kept her things in there to awaken from with her husband opening it.

i am really pushing for a probable non-paranormal cause because it seems a little like it could or could not be paranormal.

[senseker]

Let me assure you you, I know what marked areas of cat urine smell like and there is none of that or lavendar/jasmine perfume on the box at all. In general it smells just fine - actually it has a very clean, spicey wood scent to it - no mold, or rotten smells or anything like that - hence, no hidden cat scent somehow sprayed on it. There are no cracks or hidden areas - it is consistent through and through. However, then it will change in an instant to urine or jasmine briefly and then go back to its regular spicey scent.
Agetron

Additional Comment:

Senseker,
Sounds like your town has more than enough dead in it. Why so many cemetaries? War casualties... plague (Spanish Flu of 1917-1919)? This box is certainly a Jewish enigma of sorts - brought on my kishuf - or jewish magic and mysticism, but I am discovering it is certainly not the only of its kind. Keep your eyes open - there are plenty of other items that are touchstones to the dead and spirit world.
Agetron

Colma is a small town a few miles outside of San Francisco.In the early days of the city,too many cemetaries were being built in SF b/c of the Civil War and such.So,since people realized that sooner of later they would have to expand,it was decided to move the dead to the small town of (then) Lawndale.SO many dead were moved to the town,and eventually the small farming town became the city of the dead.

It's like one of the few necropolis' left in the world.Kinda grim growing up there when I was a kid b/c there were no parks at the time,so my friends and I would play in the graveyards.

It's great to be alive in Colma :D

[grim mouser]

^ Sounds interesting, playing in graveyards. ;]

Now, what kind of "paranormal" activity do you refer to, because graveyards don't always mean paranormal.

[senseker]

^ Sounds interesting, playing in graveyards. ;]

Now, what kind of "paranormal" activity do you refer to, because graveyards don't always mean paranormal.

Way too much to explain right now.When I have time,i'll recant all I can.

[Anbu_Zim]

That was hella creepy.

[agetron]

Hello Senseeker,
Your description of Colma peaked my curiosity, so I did a little web searching and everything you say is true.

What you didn't say is that there are over 1 million dead buried in Colma and much of the businesses revolve around the burial business trade and its components. With that many dead - there has to be some pretty freaky energy coming off of that place. I would like to see the town somedayl
Agetron

[senseker]

Hello Senseeker,
Your description of Colma peaked my curiosity, so I did a little web searching and everything you say is true.

What you didn't say is that there are over 1 million dead buried in Colma and much of the businesses revolve around the burial business trade and its components. With that many dead - there has to be some pretty freaky energy coming off of that place. I would like to see the town somedayl
Agetron

Well,if you ever find yourself in my neck of the woods,I would be MORE than glad to show you around.Of course,you'd the royal tour as my aunt is the current mayor of the town :D

[Junior]

Wow, freaky senseker. Playing in the graveyards eh?

Hmm.. Agetron, that's weird. How can something just change scents in an instant. Do you think it resembles something?

[Sword_Stalker]

Wow, freaky senseker. Playing in the graveyards eh?

Hmm.. Agetron, that's weird. How can something just change scents in an instant. Do you think it resembles something?

it could be scents that were absorbed into the box about the same time, maybe within a few minutes, therefore whenever one scent is expelled, more scents follow.

or maybe there is a time-loop and it follows the path and goes back to it, so whatever interesting thing like a smell or sound occured, the box repeated what happened. the old hag could have been someone's grandmother that just laughed at everything, and the ammonia could have been from when the family had a cat that wasn't spayed, the lavender could be from a teenager trying to gussy-up. and the box is reliving everything.

or there are smells trapped inside the box over time, and the heat releases them, while the smells were used at the same time one after the other

[senseker]

Oh,and there is a Jewish cemetary in Colma was well!

[agetron]

Hello Junior,
The scent does not come from within the box - it is a sudden cloud only in the area around the box. It is more like the whole atmosphere changes out of nothing and then changes back - but it is the rank smell of piss and then the is a flowery scent that does not match to any cologne, deordorant, or body poducts. The piss smell happens more often and some describe it as a way that the box (or what is attached to it) expresses itself from content to anger.


Whoistheswordwalker,
Has offered possible reasons for the scent - but there is no consistent pattern or reason - the environment around the box is fairly consistent. Still good points one must consider.

Seneker, I was in San Francisco on business a few weeksago - if I return you can show me the town of Colma - fascinating. Maybe an ideal place to put the Dibbuk Box in the Jewish Cemetary - it will have to be after the film is completed - I'll consider it.
Agetron

[senseker]

Hello Junior,
The scent does not come from within the box - it is a sudden cloud only in the area around the box. It is more like the whole atmosphere changes out of nothing and then changes back - but it is the rank smell of piss and then the is a flowery scent that does not match to any cologne, deordorant, or body poducts. The piss smell happens more often and some describe it as a way that the box (or what is attached to it) expresses itself from content to anger.


Whoistheswordwalker,
Has offered possible reasons for the scent - but there is no consistent pattern or reason - the environment around the box is fairly consistent. Still good points one must consider.

Seneker, I was in San Francisco on business a few weeksago - if I return you can show me the town of Colma - fascinating. Maybe an ideal place to put the Dibbuk Box in the Jewish Cemetary - it will have to be after the film is completed - I'll consider it.
Agetron


Wow....that would be such and honor.I hope i get picked!

[Junior]

That's strange. It is as if the box is alive eh?

[Neko]

Hello Dark Neko,
I have the Dibbuk Box - my ebay name is agetron - the box was not sold after the last purchase made by me in Feb 2004.

Information on the box can be found at a website I created www.dibbukbox.com I appreciate your offer to assist - but the box is not for sale or able to be shown to anyone at this point in time. I am under quite a few constraints until the true story film is out, so I could not legally get rid of the box even if I wanted to... lawyers. I have contained it and am waiting with it for now.
Thanks,
agetron

Wow, I didn't expect anyone to respond!

Anyways, as soon as you are able to sell it, please contact me. I'm very curious to know more about it.