stardust/buster simple question

[Seiko]

is stardust buster a speed spell 3 effect because of the description of its own effect?

[shad0wetc]

all effect monsters are SS2

[Seiko]

but look at stardust buster's effect

"This card cannot be Normal Summoned or Set. This card cannot be Special Summoned except by the effect of this card and "Assault Mode Activate". When the effect of a Spell, Trap, or Effect Monster is activated, you can Tribute this card to negate the activation and effect of that card, and destroy it."

that means you can chain it to a solemn or anything else.

[borgisme5]

Only Quick-Effect monster effects are Spell Speed 2 effecs. All other monster effects are Spell Speed 1. No monster effects are Spell Speed 3.

[Gibdo]

all effect monsters are SS2

Not all of them. But Stardust Dust/Assault Mode's is indeed a spell speed 2 effect meaning you cannot chain it to a spell speed 3 effect. It's not different from Stardust Dragon itself.

[Seiko]

ahh i see, i thought of it as speed spell 3 due to having the effect of negating a solemn with its own solemn type effect.

[shad0wetc]

i meant all quick effect monsters, sorry.

[borgisme5]

Only Counter Traps can be chained to the activation of a Counter Trap.

It is similar to monsters like Gladiator Beast Heraklinos or Tytannial, Princess of Camellias (Although it's rare, because Negate Attack is the only Counter Trap that targets =p). Even though they can negate traps, it does not let them negate faster speed cards (Any Counter Trap).

[Seiko]

so stardust cannot negate solemn divine wrath on another effect monster nor negate attack, even though it says it negates like a solemn but in speed spell 2 form?

[lobbot]

so stardust cannot negate solemn divine wrath on another effect monster nor negate attack, even though it says it negates like a solemn but in speed spell 2 form?

Completely incorrect.

If you read Solemn's text you'll note Solemn does NOT negates any effect of any kind. If a card's effect is activated, solemn cannot stop it.


That's why they are totally different.

[Seiko]

no i meant can stardust/buster negate solemn in the first place if it was activated or any other kind of counter trap card.

[borgisme5]

When the effect of a Spell, Trap, or Effect Monster is activated, you can Tribute this card to negate the activation and effect of that card, and destroy it.

This is what Stardust Dragon/Assault Mode can negate. It can not, however, negate any Counter Trap, because they are a faster Spell Speed, despite that Stardust Dragon/Assault Mode can negate trap cards.

Only a Counter Trap can be activated in Response to a Counter Trap.

Some Spell Speed 2 Monster and Spell cards can negate effects of trap cards, (Like Herald of Purple Light and My Body as a Shield), however, they are still only Spell Speed 2,

They can negate any Trap Card, as long :
A) Activation is correct
B) The trap card is NOT a Counter Trap.

[lobbot]

To clarify:

Buster can be activated when an effect activates.

Solemn can't do that.

Buster, Stardust and any other monster alike only negates spell speed 2 and lower cards. None of them can negate counter traps or continuous effects that does not uses the chain.

Solemn can negate the activation of spell speed 3 cards and continuous effect cards. Buster and Stardust can't.

[Seiko]

alright thanks lobbot and borgisme, got confused at the wording @_@

[Masterdramon]

(Although it's rare, because Negate Attack is the only Counter Trap that targets =p).
>cough<Intercept>cough<

'Tis my business to know these things. :cool:

Hope this helps!

[Ridders]

Very simple way of remembering this.

Counter Traps are Spell Speed 3. Nothing else in the entire game will ever be Spell Speed 3, apart from Counter Traps.

Doesn't matter what a card says, if its a Counter Trap, its SS3. If it isn't, it isn't SS3 (or a Counter Trap).

[SkullBuster]

NOTHING can be chained to the activation of Counter Traps EXCEPT other Counter Traps.

No ifs and buts, no exceptions.

[ThaibaCo]

i dont mean to beat a dead horse, but skills is right. for now, only counter traps can be chained to counter traps.

if herk could negate counter traps, glads would be brokes.