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Tengu
07-26-2004, 02:40 AM
Creatures
2x Reiver Demon

Sorceries/Instants
4x Nights Whisper
4x Consume Spirit
4x Mind Rot
4x Dark Banishing
4x Barter in Blood
4x Echoing Decay
3x Endless Whispers
3x Deathcloud
2x Diabolic Tutor
2x Decree of Pain

Artifacts
4x Wayfarer's Bauble

Land
20x Swamp

This is my mono black control deck i wanted to see if there were any changes i needed...

green destiny
07-26-2004, 07:59 AM
-4 wayferers bauble
+4 blind creepers

Zeta
07-26-2004, 08:45 AM
It's funny how wrong green destiny is.

Wayfarer's Baubles are necessary, keep em. However, Reiver Demon is HORRIBLE. Use Greater Harvester or even Grid Monitor instead.

What to take out:

4x Dark Banishing
2x Diabolic Tutor
2x Decree of Pain
4x Mind Rot
3x Endless Whispers
2x Reiver Demon

None of those cards are worth it.

What to put in:

4 Solemn Simulacrum
4 Greater Harvester
1 Death Cloud
4 Smother
4 Chrome Mox (if you can't get these, get two of each of the Talismans with black)

Brockiflower
07-26-2004, 08:46 AM
[edit] Why am i always like 30 seconds late




-4 wayferers bauble
+4 blind creepers
um no wayfarers baubles are good in control espicially when youre playing with death clouds. now were to start with this deck
Im going to make it MirBC
-2 Reiver Demon
-2 Diabolic tutor
+4 Greater Harvester

-4 Mind Rot
+4 Jens

-4 dark banishing
+4 Guardian Idle

-4 Nights Whisper
+4 O. Stone

-3 Endless Whispers
+3 Talisman of Dominance or Talisman of Indulgence

-2 Decree of Pain
+2 Blinkmoth nexus

Polidoom
07-26-2004, 11:36 AM
No, I would keep the Night's Whisper. It may not seem like such a good card, but I've even tried it out in my Affinity build over Thirst for Knowledge, and It's pretty good (at least better than Thirst for Knowledge). I really agree with Zeta's fixes; except for maybe the lone Death Cloud. I would maybe add some Extraplanar Lens to work around with Consume Spirit.

Zeta
07-26-2004, 12:44 PM
Poli, Extraplanar Lens is bad since it costs you a land, and is easily taken out with all of the arty D in the environment. Also, it's not a lone Cloud, since he already has 3.

Night's Whisper needs to be in there. O-Stone is better as an SB choice vs. Angel-Control.

Nin10doman
07-26-2004, 05:03 PM
Why no Fetchlands?

Cut 4 Swamps for 4 Polluted Deltas.

x0x shadowspell x0x
07-26-2004, 06:26 PM
Reiver Demon isn't the way to go for kill support.
It's body is sound, and the flying is good...but for that effect, it's still too overcosted. With the overabundance of artifact creatures...it's an effect that will rarely deem fruitful. Not to mention how pointless he'll be in the mirror.

Mind Rot...i've never been a fan of this card. Even Wrench Mind could be better since you can force them to lose their Slaver or enemy O-stone.
Some removal could be beetter in this spot.

Endless Whispers is a fun toy, but a toy that can break...against your face.
It's not the backbone of the deck, so it can be dropped for something more effective.

Now...you'll want creatures that are immune (or nearly) to Death Cloud:
~ Guardian Idol
~ Darksteel Brute
~ Undead Gladiator
~ Blinkmoth Nexus
~ Solemn Simulacrum (the card draw)

This is how I would build the deck:
==-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-==
4x Greater Harvester
4x Solemn Simulacrum
4x Night's Whisper
4x Consume Spirit
4x Smother
4x Dark Banishing
4x Barter In Blood
4x Echoing Decay
4x Death Cloud
4x Chrome Mox (or Guardian Idol)
4x Blinkmoth Nexus
16x Swamp
==-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-==

Polidoom
07-27-2004, 07:12 PM
Zeta: I tend to make mistakes like missing cards... and I was always under the impression that Extraplanar Lens was a good card. Guess not, though.

Brockiflower: What are/is Jens? I've seen you pos ti t a few times, but I don't get what you're trying to abbreviate.