After some consideration, I'm going to stop IV/EV training

[Neouser]

I'll still add up the IV's on 1-time non-breedables like Groundon. But for the most part, the IV/EV training took a lot of the fun out of the game, and made it more like a job.

It was just a lot of work, and it took too much time and effort. I also probably made a few mistakes while doing it. I'll still concentrate on getting the right abilities and natures, but I won't add up the pokemon's IV's, or go looking for specific EV's.

Pokemon is meant to be fun, and throwing in a lot of math makes it less fun. By the way, the chances that I'll go against someone with the game is slim.

[PhazonElite]

Heh, I've had the same thoughts. IV training is extremely time consuming and is too luck based for my tastes, even though IVs are somewhat hereditary. However, I still breed until I get near-perfect IVs (at least 28) in the areas that I need them. EV training doesn't take too long if you use the macho brace and have the pokemon virus though.

If you really just don't want to though, don't IV train. As long as you have the correct nature and you EV train, you should be fine.

[Metal-Mewtwo]

ive stopped iv training and im still not sure how ev training works i know that you have to battle with certain pokemon to get the ev and that you get a max of 3 ev points but do you have to battle until you got 250 evs??
Some help

[marill122]

Posted by Metal-Mewtwo;

ive stopped iv training and im still not sure how ev training works i know that you have to battle with certain pokemon to get the ev and that you get a max of 3 ev points but do you have to battle until you got 250 evs??
Some help


Metal-Mewtwo, you can allocate a maximum of 255 EPs to a certain stat. This will lead to a 63 ability point increase in that stat (255/4=63.75 i.e. 63 ability points). However, allocating 255 EPs to a stat is a waste as you can still achieve the 63 ability point increase by allocating 252 EPs to the stat (If your going with a 252/252/6 set-up, there will be an increase of 1 ability point in the stat you put 6 EPs in. It's not much, but it is something :) ). There are many ways to shorten EV training like the Macho Brace, Pokerus and vitamins, but I won't discuss them as they are explained very well in the help thread.

After your Pokemon reaches the 510 EP cap, you can use as many rare candies/put it in the daycare/ or train it however way you like without any negative effects to its stats.

I hope I've made EV training clearer to you Metal-Mewtwo. BTW, happy training!

On topic, IV/EV training is important in my opinion in order to gain leverage in battles and despite the fact that it takes away some fun out the game and it is time consuming, I still do it.

[shineyaltaria]

Not to be picky, but there is no such thing as IV training. IVs are assigned when you get a pokemon and they never change. They are like genes. They are random, though by breeding successive generations you can try and get better IVs for offsrping. No amount of training will effect your pokemon's IVs.

EVs are what you battle selected pokemon for to increase stats you want raised. That is where training comes in, not IVs. If you do not want to EV train then fine. That is your decision. Just don't use the EVs IVs interchangably since it may be confusing to someone who doesn't know they are totally different things.

I hope this helps clear things up a bit.

Got clarity?

[Betelgeux]

EV training is only there so you can say "Mine's better" and have something to base it on... it makes your Pokémon stronger, yes, but if you think about it in RBYGSC people still won battles and tournaments just fine without all that extra work.

It's okay to skip it, especially if you're not going to be competing in anything.

[Black-Canary]

in the old says EV training did not exist because every stat capped off at 255 not just 2. They should make it the way it was, it would be a lot more fun that way, then its just breeding and battling.

[Kuiper]

EV training for 252-252-4:

252-100=152
152/4=38
38*2+4/4

Leaves you with 77 battles, less if you go against stuff that gives multiple EVs. After that, just use the daycare. And this is the most exteme case. If you're doing 252-128-128, things take even less time.


In RBY/GSC, the people who won were the people who had the time to level up against level 20- Pokemon to max out shortly after level 100, or beat the Elite four countless times.

If you want competitive play without the work, go to the Bots.

[Jo Mamma]

[In response to the topic]: Don't.

[Also in response to the topic]: Buy an AR.

~n0nS

[Neouser]

[In response to the topic]: Don't.

[Also in response to the topic]: Buy an AR.

~n0nS

[In response to this reply]:I don't like using game enhancement devices, except to play around with. After my gameshark turned into a piece of junk, thanks to a code gone wrong, I never bought another one.

[wobmaster]

Not to be picky, but there is no such thing as IV training. IVs are assigned when you get a pokemon and they never change. They are like genes. They are random, though by breeding successive generations you can try and get better IVs for offsrping. No amount of training will effect your pokemon's IVs.

EVs are what you battle selected pokemon for to increase stats you want raised. That is where training comes in, not IVs. If you do not want to EV train then fine. That is your decision. Just don't use the EVs IVs interchangably since it may be confusing to someone who doesn't know they are totally different things.

I hope this helps clear things up a bit.

Got clarity?
instead of saying "iv traing" use "iv breeding". its easier to understand

[Breaker424]

i'm not patient enough to ev train, so I gave my pokemon the Macho Brace and used my AR to make pokemon that give you 3 EVs appear. 6 EVs per battle=quick EV training. As for IVs, I just breed until I get the correct nature, which takes 10-100 eggs for me, and hope it has good IVs.

[Vision]

Some people here have either said or implied or both that your starting/earlier Pokemon normally have really bad IVs. Now maybe they're not in the 0/0/0/0/0/0 range but, given a hypothetical starter with 0/0/0/0/0/0 IVs that you don't know that they're that low (worst case scenario?), would it be at all worth the time and energy required to EV train it; IE, EV train a Pokemon which has either bad IVs or unknown IVs? Basically, would it be any easier to progress through the game EV training without regard to IVs? As opposed to just training them to beat the game without regard for IVs or EVs, just to beat it, and then breed. And if not, then is the only purpose the Pokemon you fight with and beat the game with to breed for better ones? Sorry, I'm a bit new to IVs and EVs. Thanks for any input.

[Rare_Pokemon]

yeah what i do: keep breeding until i get a few different pokemon with the natures that i want; then i see which one has the best IV's. i don't breed for IV's, well i do a little, i breed until a poke's IV's are at least average. trying to get high IV's in multiple stats is such a pain in the @$$... but i doooo EV train. i love EV training. in fact i'm trying to get a Jolly/Adamant Furret now... come to think of it its quite sad, because the only person i can battle competitively is my brother. i wish i knew more pokemon players :(

do you guys know more than one person who plays the game?

and back to the original point, EV training/IV's/Natures really did make pokemon more like a chore for me. When i play now, i can't not think about the EVs i'm giving them, and if they're nature was wrong it would bug me. it's too late for me now. i miss the innocence of the RBY days when you just catch and raise whichever pokemon you want and give it crappy movesets for fun.

[jolteonjak]

I stopped doing it after I went through almost 100 Treecko's before I finally got a Timid one, which ended up being weaker IV wise than the Modest one I decided to start training.

Its not worth it for me really. I don't battle against anyone IRL. Besides, if I want to, I can just create my own with my AR. BTW...it is fabulous for EV Training anything but a Wobbufett (sp?).

[Abhorsen]

For people who play by themselves and dont usually link battle other people then EV training is a waste of time as the game bots r very easy and stupid BUT if you're like me and have finished the game and have many Real people to vs then IVs and EV training is important, some of it is luck by random IVs but most of it isnt. It comes down to skill in movesets, predicting your opponent and overall... Stats. Just says 252 EVs + boost nature + max IVs can give almost 150 Extra stat points to, just say, 0 EVs + neutral nature + 0 IVs. It can make a HUGE difference with EVs and IVs.

I have had frustrating times when its taken me days just to get a specific nature and found the IVs not to be so good but that doesnt always happen. I have over 35 lvl 100 EV trained pokemon and i would actually say that im proud of them all cause i worked hard to make them the best there is.

Just to tease everyone who dont have an action replay, im now EV training a Zapdos i caught in LG which has 31 IVs in Speed, 31 IVs in Sp.att and is timid :p All its IVs are over 28 (except for HP= IV 22). I think it's gonna be tough to take down.

[Rare_Pokemon]

...BUT if you're like me and have finished the game and have many real people to vs...

I'm so jealous...

[Abhorsen]

I didnt mean for it to sound as if none of the people on the forums have not finished the game... I was trying to point out that the games become less entertaining once you have completed everything and by battling other people who also EV train, it becomes competetive and thats when the challenges appear. Sorry if i offened anyone :(

[Rare_Pokemon]

not that u beat it. i meant to say that i was jealous because u had actual, real people to battle with face to face.

[Abhorsen]

Oh ok. I got a bit worried then... I have a few people that I battle with, some r easy to beat while 1 is very challenging. There are also a few people at my pokemon tcg league that play aswell so theres always variety :)

btw, i like your Ursaring's moveset.