The Meta

[Marquis_J]

Does any one think the mass amount of combo and otk decks coming from the new set will affect the meta such as the dark rainbow dragon deck and dark armed dragon/creator

AND what is going and coming off the ban list

[PJ]

Phantom of Chaos is being used merely as an OTK tool, as is Dimension Fusion. I can see only them going..

[Marquis_J]

true but it cant otk by its self i see it getting semi maybe limited depending on if its deck dominates

[billy]

yeah i could definetely see the phamtom dropping to 1 or if not 2.

[Marquis_J]

The game once the set drops is all about 100% speed consistency wont matter because u and ur oppenent are probably bothe be trying to otk the other

[swirlz]

or u can just play macro and laugh at them

[Nuuuuf]

And be laughed at when your Cosmos is dusted.

[d.d. ewg]

And be laughed at when your Cosmos is dusted.

and i laugh when i dark bribe it.

[Nuuuuf]

and i laugh when i dark bribe it.

And I laugh when I Solmen it, and so on and so on...

Point is, Macro decks are really unstable since a well-timed S/T destruction card makes the deck crumble.

[mrpwnage]

DAD to 1/2, PoC to 1,Dimension Fusion Banned.

[Deck-Crafter001]

And I laugh when I Solmen it, and so on and so on...

Point is, Macro decks are really unstable since a well-timed S/T destruction card makes the deck crumble.
Which they most of the time are unable to do unless you're in game 2-3 where you could have sided into something completely different. Or the opponent could just not draw into the s/t destruction they side in.

And most people still time them off.

[d.d. ewg]

And I laugh when I Solmen it, and so on and so on...

Point is, Macro decks are really unstable since a well-timed S/T destruction card makes the deck crumble.

my deck never crumbles an i doubt decks outside gadgets and six sam use solemn. and maine many rfg card sure you dust i play d-fissure again. s/t is nothing to macro unless you side like 9 cards.

[Nuuuuf]

No, but you always main 9-10 S/T destruction cards this format. Even if you max out on Cosmos and D-Fissure, I'll probably destroy it next turn and win before you draw your next one. Not only that, but most well-built decks aren't even hurt by Macro.

[d.d. ewg]

No, but you always main 9-10 S/T destruction cards this format. Even if you max out on Cosmos and D-Fissure, I'll probably destroy it next turn and win before you draw your next one. Not only that, but most well-built decks aren't even hurt by Macro.

wow you must suck if you main 9 s/t removal. lol no pc can play around macro, zombies too.

[Marquis_J]

People say raiza is to good sorta like a new yata lock does any one agree

[d.d. ewg]

People say raiza is to good sorta like a new yata lock does any one agree

raiza is good but its not like yata.

[Chrono1219]

No, but you always main 9-10 S/T destruction cards this format. Even if you max out on Cosmos and D-Fissure, I'll probably destroy it next turn and win before you draw your next one. Not only that, but most well-built decks aren't even hurt by Macro.

what? You do? 9-10?

Let's see

1. MST
2. Breaker
3. Snipe

Technically 6 more for Raiza and PWWB, but in reality if macro is on the field your not brining back frog for the sac. Not every deck even runs these 6 cards.

Maybe a pair of dust tornados, but Wing Blast is more popular still. Zombies used it, but thats really it.

4. Heavy Storm.

[JBlackmon_1983]

Personally I don't see the need to ban any of them at the moment. If players would take the time to build sidedecks to counter what they will see certain cards would have no need to be banned.

[Krug]

No, but you always main 9-10 S/T destruction cards this format. Even if you max out on Cosmos and D-Fissure, I'll probably destroy it next turn and win before you draw your next one. Not only that, but most well-built decks aren't even hurt by Macro.

9-10?! That's about 1/4 of your deck! And all of that is dedicated to S/T removal?
I can see DAD down to one and the same with POC. Dark Creator down to two, the effect is nice, but really, 5 Dark monsters?

[Nuuuuf]

wow you must suck if you main 9 s/t removal. lol no pc can play around macro, zombies too.

MST
Breaker
Heavy Storm
Dust Tornado (x2)
PWWB (x3)
Raiza (x3)
Snipe Hunter (x1)

That's 12 cards (13 due to some decks running 3 Dust) that commonly show up in PC, and all of them turn Macro to dust.

[JBlackmon_1983]

Dark Creator is o.k. I don't think limitation worthy though. Dark armed is easily countered as well as POC. The biggest problem is people just jumping around wanting to ban things they are not sure will even be a success in the TCG. Don't get me wrong I think Daddy and POC aregreat cards and can be abused, but they are easily countered.

[d.d. ewg]

MST
Breaker
Heavy Storm
Dust Tornado (x2)
PWWB (x3)
Raiza (x3)
Snipe Hunter (x1)

That's 12 cards (13 due to some decks running 3 Dust) that commonly show up in PC, and all of them turn Macro to dust.

lol wut pc deck runs dust tornado? and spinning only slow sit down a turn even at that horn of heaven can stop breaker, raiza, and snipe. and solemnss bribes stop everything else.

[JBlackmon_1983]

Macro is a good deck, but at the same time struggles with consistency issues.

[d.d. ewg]

Macro is a good deck, but at the same time struggles with consistency issues.

3x vortex trooper ftw.

[JBlackmon_1983]

Dust Tornado isn't normally used, but can be also Xing Zhen Hu, Prohibition, Twister, and Malevolent Catasrtophe the latter of which alot of people sided in threes at the last jump.

[_*Shadow*_]

i find Macro decks ovverrated as Nuuuf said it can easily crumble if 1 link goes wrong. With all the pulling the rugs and solmns out there its really hard to make an unstopable deck. There is no supeirior deck in this game its a;; about how ppl make them work or their stratigy. a fish deck can beat a pc deck (if the pc deck is really crappy xD) just as easily as a Dragon deck can beat Macro

[JBlackmon_1983]

Vortex Trooper can give stability, but will not single handedly turn the game in your favor.

[WondaWice]

i find Macro decks ovverrated as Nuuuf said it can easily crumble if 1 link goes wrong. With all the pulling the rugs and solmns out there its really hard to make an unstopable deck. There is no supeirior deck in this game its a;; about how ppl make them work or their stratigy. a fish deck can beat a pc deck (if the pc deck is really crappy xD) just as easily as a Dragon deck can beat Macro

Your wrong, the only way that would happen is if someone handed you a PC deck without you knowing the rules/game.

[JBlackmon_1983]

i find Macro decks ovverrated as Nuuuf said it can easily crumble if 1 link goes wrong. With all the pulling the rugs and solmns out there its really hard to make an unstopable deck. There is no supeirior deck in this game its a;; about how ppl make them work or their stratigy. a fish deck can beat a pc deck (if the pc deck is really crappy xD) just as easily as a Dragon deck can beat Macro

I agree completely what players so longed for was an open metagame. Now we have one and people are complaining that there isn't a dominate deck. Personally I feel that the cycle is endless innovative people long for an open meta where as net deckers (netters) just want a good deck to copy. Always someone will complain...

[Nuuuuf]

Dust Tornado isn't normally used, but can be also Xing Zhen Hu, Prohibition, Twister, and Malevolent Catasrtophe the latter of which alot of people sided in threes at the last jump.

Where are you from again? Dust Tornado is a staple right now.

Additional Comment:

Your wrong, the only way that would happen is if someone handed you a PC deck without you knowing the rules/game.

And if it ran Griggle?

[JBlackmon_1983]

Where are you from again? Dust Tornado is a staple right now.

Additional Comment:



And if it ran Griggle?

I'm from South Carolina and don't get to play as often as I would like, but I do keep up with the game very closely. Honestly Dust Tornado isn't a staple by any means, nor even close. The only decks that main it are Zombie and maybe slower control based decks. Faster decks have even started siding MST and or Heavy the new version of DDT comes to mind...

[Cyberguy]

in my experience if you want to beat macro game 1 or 2 just end phase decree them and u set

[JBlackmon_1983]

Unless they plop DiFi and then your like:(

[yubel]

If it does, I will ignore any decks like that. I hate OTK's. I kind of have a Jesse Andersen-like approach to this. If you kill them on the first turn (I despise FTK's even more), they have no opportunity to show their potential. Where's the fun in dueling if the duel only lasts 1 or 2 turns?

[JBlackmon_1983]

If it does, I will ignore any decks like that. I hate OTK's. I kind of have a Jesse Andersen-like approach to this. If you kill them on the first turn (I despise FTK's even more), they have no opportunity to show their potential. Where's the fun in dueling if the duel only lasts 1 or 2 turns?

True constantly running into OTK's gets annoying, but at the same time I find it fun. Think about it you sit down for round three of a tournament your 3-0 and have played 2 PC and 1 regular Monarch. Would you rather get beat by and OTK you have never even seen or lose/win to another Monarch deck. Me personally winning is not all that important, but having fun is. So if I get OTK'ed of course it sucks, but at the same time it's rather cool.

[yubel]

True, and Otk's can sometimes be fun, but still, I don't like the helpless feeling that comes during an OTK.

[Deck-Crafter001]

MST
Breaker
Heavy Storm
Dust Tornado (x2)
PWWB (x3)
Raiza (x3)
Snipe Hunter (x1)

That's 12 cards (13 due to some decks running 3 Dust) that commonly show up in PC, and all of them turn Macro to dust.
Besides Dust Tornados. I have yet to see anyone main deck them outside of Zombies or a janky Gadget build.

It depends on the opponents or the specific decks I guess. Since I personally haven't had a problem with MST, Breaker, PWWB, or Raiza, though Snipe and Storm do frequently annoy.

[d.d. ewg]

Besides Dust Tornados. I have yet to see anyone main deck them outside of Zombies or a janky Gadget build.

It depends on the opponents or the specific decks I guess. Since I personally haven't had a problem with MST, Breaker, PWWB, or Raiza, though Snipe and Storm do frequently annoy.

i've been telling you run bribe and horn of heaven. :p

[Deck-Crafter001]

i've been telling you run bribe and horn of heaven. :p
There is enough trouble as is finding room for Dark Dimension Release and Cyber Vally. Dark Bribe is unnecessary and expensive.

Instead I side 3 Magic Jammer for the lolz. I actually used one last Saturday on Heavy for the win.

[yubel]

Dust Tornado's a quality card. It gets neglected.

[Deck-Crafter001]

Dust Tornado's a quality card. It gets neglected.
It is, that's true.
But it still isn't seen often outside of Zombies.

[yubel]

That's also true. But I'd venture to say that it's almost more effective s/t removal than the next card.

[Jack-Wyler]

No, but you always main 9-10 S/T destruction cards this format. Even if you max out on Cosmos and D-Fissure, I'll probably destroy it next turn and win before you draw your next one. Not only that, but most well-built decks aren't even hurt by Macro.

Saying that, I can't imagine you really played against any good macro deck...

[cardjunky]

either cyber vally will go down to 1 or 2 or machine dup. gets banned.

the cyber vally otk has got like a 34 percent chance ON THE FIRST TURN ALONE

[Marquis_J]

dark creator for the win

[King Atlantis]

Originally Posted by JBlackmon_1983
Macro is a good deck, but at the same time struggles with consistency issues.
mabey im just abnormally lucky, but every time i face macro ive either:
A) opened with snipe, MST, heavy, and a solemn
OOORRRR...
B) they never drew a drew a macros or a d-fissure...

[SSj2TeenGohan184]

Dust Tornado's a quality card. It gets neglected.

I have to agree. Being a trap is what hurts it though.

[Marquis_J]

macro is good but with at least a small understanding of the game it is easy to smash althogh it may not seem like a gd idea ladd is good against wingblast destroy it because the deck is dependant on the survivors so if u have it permanetly get ot removed with ladd effect or spin the macro/fissure to the top and hit the survivor and trap it in the yard u win

[red eye]

I see disk commander, raiza, and premature burial getting banned!
arms hole and d.d. revival is a dirty loop!
raiza is considered to be somewhat of a yata lock!
and disk, theres just way too many ways to bring that pest back!