The Errata of Reunion / Release of Chakra [Archive]

Bandolero

12-30-2007, 11:34 AM

Good erratas for both. Definitely balance the cards without getting rid of their effectiveness entirely. They're both stilly quite playable. As far as wind/lightning goes, yeah it's got the highest win record in the chunins, but you'll notice it isn't completely dominating by itself. A lot of other decks managed to score on their own. Toning down wind/lightning more would only remove it from the types of winning decks as opposed to simply dropping it down to beatable like Freedori was. Lightning/Wind is fine as it is post errata. For someone who hates playing fire all the time, it's nice to see that that particular combination now actually works.

And, no... NO to giving an errata to Gigantic Fan. Gigantic Fan is one of the few nonfire things that holds some of the most powerful jutsus in the game in check. It's a necessary balance and issueing an errata for Gigantic Fan would only turn the game into a "one deck beats all" scenario once more. I almost quit Naruto because I hate Sasuke, Itachi, and playing fire. But if I wanted to win that was what I had to play. With the last couple sets we've finally got balance. No deck is unbeatable as a proper CCG should be. I very much want it to stay that way.

Kisame8988

12-30-2007, 05:48 PM

Lets just say I can't wait till the first now =D

nogard

12-31-2007, 07:55 AM

Not really. Sexy Gaara wasn't known for really using RoC, as pitching your hand and hoping you land into something you pitched for chakra was never exactly a wise investment.

The Reunion change was a bit of a kick, but eh, who cares? It just means you aren't getting infinite card advantage and have to play Reunion a little later and make sure you get at least one card a turn extra from it.

In other words, it's leading to a bit more innovative deck styling then slamming down Reunion ASAP.

i dont think that u know that the "garra sexy back" thrives on release as my friends and i created the deck and it has no mission cards in it so reunion was never in the 1st build but whenever something gets net decked they allways change it

zeroinfinityx

12-31-2007, 10:28 AM

i dont think that u know that the "garra sexy back" thrives on release as my friends and i created the deck and it has no mission cards in it so reunion was never in the 1st build but whenever something gets net decked they allways change it

Your friends didnt create it... Your friends played it in the first chunin... and it was garb. LOL PERIMETER LOL RELEASE LOL TERRIBLE CARDS LOL NO REUNION

So No one counts your decks as the "first" because they were terrible... Ad lets face the fact that the archtype was extremly obvious and just about every good player was playing lightning wind :\

-Zero

Ryu Juini

12-31-2007, 04:27 PM

Damn, I hate agreeing with Zero sometimes. It destroys the rivalry aspect of our relationship. That being I like to make him work to prove his opinions and ideals...but he's 100% correct this time.

Wait, wait, wait. You made Sexy Gaara using RoC over Reunion? That's...an interesting aspect. I think RoC is an extremely overhyped card that was crap in anything but DFC and FPS. That reason being that it's extremely situational and it's nearly useless if you don't draw it extremely early. If you somehow keep the hand size for it late game, you were most likely crippling your early game to the point the little Chakra and Hand exchange will mean little to nothing.

Then again what the hell do I know?

Oh well.

<---Puts on his funny hokage hat and walks off smoking a bubble pipe.

Freedori

12-31-2007, 05:54 PM

question:

What is the errata on Sexy Jutsu?

Freshest

12-31-2007, 07:09 PM

question:

What is the errata on Sexy Jutsu?

pretty much you can't sexy a ninja that you already have on the field

zeroinfinityx

12-31-2007, 08:03 PM

Damn, I hate agreeing with Zero sometimes. It destroys the rivalry aspect of our relationship. That being I like to make him work to prove his opinions and ideals...but he's 100% correct this time.
.

Love you too Ryu ;)

question:

What is the errata on Sexy Jutsu?
No errata. The Uniqueness rule was changed in early november from "Ninja of the same name as a ninja in your village cannot be put into play" to "Ninja of the same name as a ninja in your village cannot be put into play or moved to your field".

This means you cannot sexy a shikamaru if you already control a sexy jutsu.

What was agrivating was that when Gary updated the post that has the uniqueness rule, he didnt bump the thread... so almost no one knew of the change BEFORE the NY jonin.

-Zero

Ryu Juini

12-31-2007, 10:49 PM

When you get down to it, it was BASICALLY a Sexy Jutsu errata =P But yeah, that's how it goes now.

hidden mist haku

12-31-2007, 10:56 PM

When you get down to it, it was BASICALLY a Sexy Jutsu errata =P But yeah, that's how it goes now.
...yah I would consider a rule change basically an errata.

zeroinfinityx

01-01-2008, 12:35 AM

An errata is a change in card text. This was changing the rule of a basic game mechanic, which indirectly effected a sexy jutsu.

The change in the uniqueness rule wasnt even done to change the power of sexy jutsu... It was done to make sasuke dissapereance not be confusing.

-Zero

nogard

01-01-2008, 01:08 AM

Your friends didnt create it... Your friends played it in the first chunin... and it was garb. LOL PERIMETER LOL RELEASE LOL TERRIBLE CARDS LOL NO REUNION

So No one counts your decks as the "first" because they were terrible... Ad lets face the fact that the archtype was extremly obvious and just about every good player was playing lightning wind :\

-Zero

if it was so "garb" y did everyone net deck it
i wish that you and jdragon would come down here one day and get owned
oh wait that happened to him when he came here for the jonin
y dont you just stick to the bandai fourms where all of the noobs resepct you.

hidden mist haku

01-01-2008, 01:25 AM

if it was so "garb" y did everyone net deck it
i wish that you and jdragon would come down here one day and get owned
oh wait that happened to him when he came here for the jonin
y dont you just stick to the bandai fourms where all of the noobs resepct you.
....harsh, harsh words..

Additional Comment:

An errata is a change in card text. This was changing the rule of a basic game mechanic, which indirectly effected a sexy jutsu.

The change in the uniqueness rule wasnt even done to change the power of sexy jutsu... It was done to make sasuke dissapereance not be confusing.

-Zero
Hmm, I was under the impression that they did it to make sexy not as powerful..the Sasuke thing makes sense though..

zeroinfinityx

01-01-2008, 01:54 AM

if it was so "garb" y did everyone net deck it .

I didnt see perimeters, RoCs, or decks without reunion at the jonin, or majority of the chunins... so I dont think anyone netted said decks :\

i wish that you and jdragon would come down here one day and get owned
OH NOES IMMA GET PERMETERED!!!!! But seriously, come up with a good deck, then lets talk ;)

oh wait that happened to him when he came here for the jonin
He lost to the guy who stole his entire co0llection at fanime and then he brooded about it to the judges for the rest of the day... I think hes allowed a pass on that, especialy since he top 4d the sannin and won fanime... Lots of socal people at both :\

y dont you just stick to the bandai fourms where all of the noobs resepct you
says the Socal player? LOL

-Zero

Ryu Juini

01-01-2008, 01:57 AM

nogard: I think you shouldn't talk about respect. If you're going to insult and bash other uses, work on your grammar and spelling so you're taken seriously. I'm still too busy laughing at that jumbled mess you call a flame. Quit thinking you got net decked. Gaara's abuse was noticed almost immediately, some people just noticed what combo'd with him a little later then others.

Quit thinking you're the first guy to combine Gaara + One Ninja to = Death.

Zero: Chill a little too. Don't need to feed the silly flames.

nogard

01-02-2008, 03:44 AM

I didnt see perimeters, RoCs, or decks without reunion at the jonin, or majority of the chunins... so I dont think anyone netted said decks :\

They could have net decked but changed it.

OH NOES IMMA GET PERMETERED!!!!! But seriously, come up with a good deck, then lets talk ;)

I did and you made it all retarted by adding in choji, cops, idate, kurenai, tayuya, and you didnt run sakura ADP, or multi shadow clone, both of which might have won your that jonin.

He lost to the guy who stole his entire co0llection at fanime and then he brooded about it to the judges for the rest of the day... I think hes allowed a pass on that, especialy since he top 4d the sannin and won fanime... Lots of socal people at both :\

Um, none of us from N'joy went to that jonin or the sannin and, if we did we would have won. The jonin im talking about was the anime expo one where my friend beat him in the 3rd round and he didn't top 8 there.

says the Socal player? LOL

-Zero

I dont know why you dont like the So Cal players, but in my mind we would all beat you and Jdragon, so i hope you guys can come down here so we can play but if not then if you didn't quit because of "the broken cards" then we'll see each other at the sannins

zeroinfinityx

01-02-2008, 06:05 AM

I did and you made it all retarted by adding in choji, cops, idate, kurenai, tayuya, and you didnt run sakura ADP, or multi shadow clone, both of which might have won your that jonin.
LOL. I made the deck retarded by adding in staples and GOOD cards? Multi is a less effective SCJ thats dependant on your chakra store, and ADP is a missed drop and gets run over by Cop Idate opening.

I dont know why you dont like the So Cal players
Because you are all extremely arrogant, most of you having NOTHING to show other then poorly built decks. Until you have accomplished SOMETHING, do us a favor and tone it down with the undeserved ego, kthnx.

Also the playtesters are socal meijin, and they just plainly suck beyond words.

Um, none of us from N'joy went to that jonin or the sannin and, if we did we would have won.
there are what, 5-6 Njoy players? 1 of them topped a jonin, and suddenly all of you are super amazing? lol, My friend Jameson was going to Anime expo, so I sent him with my deck list and he top 8d coming in 2nd seed from the swiss. Jameson hadnt played the game since coils of the snake, but he was able to top 8 at your prestigious Jonin? Are you starting to see how ridiculous you are? LOL WE ARE THE BEST, BUT ONLY ONE OF OUR PLAYERS HAS DONE SOMETHING RESPECTABLE, WHICH WAS ALSO ACCOMPLISHED BY A PLAYER FROM NY PLAYING WITH A VERSION OF ZEROS DECK, WHO HASNT PLAYED THE GAME FOR 3 SETS.

The jonin im talking about was the anime expo one where my friend beat him in the 3rd round and he didn't top 8 there.
People lose. Notice how NO ONE in the top 100 players on GRT has 0 losses? thats because people lose. By Bad draws, mulliganing, misplays, or simply losing to a more skilled player... people lose. Congrats your friend beat josh, but that doesnt make him a better player. Did he top 8? No. Ive beaten Josh, Dave, and Joe on multiple occasions. Does that mean I'm Auto better? No. It means I beat them.

but in my mind we would all beat you and Jdragon, so i hope you guys can come down here so we can play but if not then if you didn't quit because of "the broken cards" then we'll see each other at the sannins

What "in your mind" lets you believe this? Your udeserved ego? Thats what I thought.

-Zero

nogard

01-02-2008, 07:22 AM

LOL. I made the deck retarded by adding in staples and GOOD cards? Multi is a less effective SCJ thats dependant on your chakra store, and ADP is a missed drop and gets run over by Cop Idate opening.

so your going to go off element to add in "staples" I didnt know that choji was a staple. I'm very surprized that you didnt deck yourself in all of your games with all of that deck pumps your running.

[/QUOTE]Because you are all extremely arrogant, most of you having NOTHING to show other then poorly built decks. Until you have accomplished SOMETHING, do us a favor and tone it down with the undeserved ego, kthnx. [/QUOTE]
I'll tone it done when you stop complaning about all of the "broken" cards like dfc. that card is good but not broke, if you let your opponet set you up like that then you deserve to lose.

[/QUOTE]Also the playtesters are socal meijin, and they just plainly suck beyond words.[/QUOTE]
i dont know about the playtesters but I would like to know what you would do in there position.

[/QUOTE]there are what, 5-6 Njoy players? 1 of them topped a jonin, and suddenly all of you are super amazing? lol, My friend Jameson was going to Anime expo, so I sent him with my deck list and he top 8d coming in 2nd seed from the swiss. Jameson hadnt played the game since coils of the snake, but he was able to top 8 at your prestigious Jonin? Are you starting to see how ridiculous you are? LOL WE ARE THE BEST, BUT ONLY ONE OF OUR PLAYERS HAS DONE SOMETHING RESPECTABLE, WHICH WAS ALSO ACCOMPLISHED BY A PLAYER FROM NY PLAYING WITH A VERSION OF ZEROS DECK, WHO HASNT PLAYED THE GAME FOR 3 SETS. [/QUOTE]
Yea there are only a small group of us and if we didnt get a round one loss 3 of us would have topped. That jonin was back when r&r was legal so he probably was running freedori, and one 2 sets have past from coils to r&r.

[/QUOTE]People lose. Notice how NO ONE in the top 100 players on GRT has 0 losses? thats because people lose. By Bad draws, mulliganing, misplays, or simply losing to a more skilled player... people lose. Congrats your friend beat josh, but that doesnt make him a better player. Did he top 8? No. Ive beaten Josh, Dave, and Joe on multiple occasions. Does that mean I'm Auto better? No. It means I beat them. [/QUOTE]

Do me a favor and check how your friend josh is the top ranked player

What "in your mind" lets you believe this? Your udeserved ego? Thats what I thought.

-Zero[/QUOTE]

The thing that lets me belive this is all of your comlaining (sp) about all of the good cards and how they are broken, and seeing your lightning wind deck and seeing so many things wrong with the ninja line up.

Bandolero

01-02-2008, 08:05 AM

There's a lot of ego in here and none of it's the least bit productive. Neither of you are going to acknowledge that the other's right. The wiser person simply let's their actions and merits speak for them until another persons' actions and merits prove otherwise. While it is possible that better players may turn up compared to some of the top and simply weren't able to compete in tournaments with the highest ranked people, there's also something to be said for those highest ranks being earned. Someone who regularly places and wins in all the highest level events at least deserves some respect. And if you think you're one of those miraculous individuals who's a better player but can't travel to the same places to compete, then at least give the higher ranked player the benefit of his rank until you distinguish yourself as such. Boasting superiority that can't be proven is just sad until such time.

I, for one, think that I'm a quite capable player, but never will I make claims that I'm stronger than any of the highest ranked people. Instead I'll acknowledge their ability as having more than proven itself and wait to see how I actually can stand up against them when the time comes. I won't pretend to any form of superiority until I've not only beaten said top-ranked players, but done so consistently so there's evidence to support that my victory was not a fluke or a bit of good luck. Even then, as a good sportsman, I would never laud my accomplishments over another like a petty child, and would instead appreciate what would undoubtedly be a challenging match, and hopefully even learn something from the encounter to make myself even stronger for the next time. Until such time, I acknowledge that the highest ranked players are probably better than me, and I'm eager to play them not only to attempt to prove myself, but to be able to learn from them in the more likely case that I'm not as good as they are.

Arrogance blinds people. I know this better than anyone for having suffered it too many times. Instead of mocking each other, play each other to prove your merits, and whoever loses, be humble enough to learn from the encounter, and whoever triumphs, be gracious enough to concede the possibility of any actual ability the other player had, in spite of their loss. This is a game after all, the purpose of which is to simply have fun.

zeroinfinityx

01-02-2008, 08:24 AM

Since apparently you arent competant enough to use teh quote function, I'm going to have to fix it for you, inorder for me to respond -_-

so your going to go off element to add in "staples" I didnt know that choji was a staple.
The fact that you didnt know choji was a staple in a format where shika is run x3 in every deck and gaara is a major card, says alot of things.

I'm very surprized that you didnt deck yourself in all of your games with all of that deck pumps your running.
Its not suprizing you dont see how the deck is good, mr perimeter barrier :rolleyes:

I'll tone it done when you stop complaning about all of the "broken" cards like dfc. that card is good but not broke, if you let your opponet set you up like that then you deserve to lose.
So, if I let my opponent have a first hokage, and 2 other teams of 5 and a deepforest and a kunai in hand... I deserve to lose?

You are ******* stupid.

i dont know about the playtesters but I would like to know what you would do in there position.
Playtest the cards and spot for problematic cards, aka what the job requires you to do.

Yea there are only a small group of us and if we didnt get a round one loss 3 of us would have topped.
All I'm hearing is "coulda shoulda woulda". It is what it is sir, you DIDNT top, too bad.

That jonin was back when r&r was legal so he probably was running freedori, and one 2 sets have past from coils to r&r.
Your math would be right if the jonin was during R&R.. to bad the jonin took place during Dream legacy.

Do me a favor and check how your friend josh is the top ranked player
Josh is second, and notice how everyone else in teh top 50 has losses. Losing happens.

The thing that lets me belive this is all of your comlaining (sp) about all of the good cards and how they are broken, and seeing your lightning wind deck and seeing so many things wrong with the ninja line up.

Broken cards I complained about: Reunion RoC DFC and 1st.

Reunion and RoC got erratad because they were found to be unbalanced, and DFC WASNT erratad, because according to james MORE ninja will be coming out that cant be targeted by jutsus,and he feels that with those cards coming out, along with more strong specific user jutsus, it would be unfair to ping first hokages jutsu. So basicaly james agreed that in the prior metagame it was unbalanced. but upcoming cards will shift it to be less disasterous(sp)

that just leaves first hokage. I will standy by this aslong as I need to. 1 card should not be able to demolish an entire playstyle. His effect is far to unbalanced for a mere put in play effect. Infact my only loss in the swiss at the jonin was because my opponent dropped 1st right before time was up, while I had field control and 8brs.

As for my deck having such a bad ninja line up, lets look at what your deck did, vs my deck. Your deck won a chunin d probobly a few locals with a bunch of bad decks running perimeter and ****. My deck Top 4'd a jonin, beating the sannin top 4 player adam riley in top 8, Top 2'd a chunin, going 7-1, losing only to an almost exact copy of my deck that I helped build, and won a chunin beating the sannin winner in the finals.

Now lets go over what IVE done vs what Youve done.
I have: Top8d my first jonin. Top 4d my second jonin. Made kage. Placed 6th in the nation in the first season. Won multiple chunins with other jonin top8er/winners present in the tournament. Topped every chunin ive been to (6).

You have: Missed top cut at your first and only jonin. Helped(?) design a solid deck type, but ended up making it total crap.

So after the your deck vs my deck, and the you vs me, dare I ask, who are you to tell me MY deck was bad, and that you are sure YOU could beat ME because of this.

Good day sir.

-Zero

MeGaMaRiK

01-02-2008, 10:56 AM

This is a thread about the Errata of Reunion / Release of Chakra, not who can beat who :P

nogard

01-03-2008, 05:55 AM

Since apparently you arent competant enough to use teh quote function, I'm going to have to fix it for you, inorder for me to respond -_-

The fact that you didnt know choji was a staple in a format where shika is run x3 in every deck and gaara is a major card, says alot of things.

I'll give you the fact that he is a good card but he is no where near staple status, even in a format where shika is ran in 3's. All he was in your deck was a cheap combo.
Its not suprizing you dont see how the deck is good, mr perimeter barrier :rolleyes:
Perimeter was in the initail build only beacuse when needed the extra jutsu and it is a form of damage, I dont think that you would want to play a garra or shika injured. Back to the multi we ran it so people can't fan it away.

So, if I let my opponent have a first hokage, and 2 other teams of 5 and a deepforest and a kunai in hand... I deserve to lose?
Let me get this straight, they are going to go like this: kunai, then dfc right, so when you see that then you should have known what was comming and responded with a negation.
You are ******* stupid.
Look at who has to resort to name calling. Also if your opponent is palying kunai and you lose to him i think you suck.

Playtest the cards and spot for problematic cards, aka what the job requires you to do.

So out of the cards comming in the next few sets which you say are problematic?.
All I'm hearing is "coulda shoulda woulda". It is what it is sir, you DIDNT top, too bad.
I didnt go to that event my friends did.

Your math would be right if the jonin was during R&R.. to bad the jonin took place during Dream legacy.
Can you tell me what DL broght freedori, DL didnt even have to be realeased and he would have the same deck, with the exeption of mabey an Emi.

Josh is second, and notice how everyone else in teh top 50 has losses. Losing happens.

Last time i checked Josh is 1st. And the last time i checked both you and Jds chunins have had under 40 people, while the socal chunins have 60-70 allways with the exception of one. So you tell me where the compatition is.

Broken cards I complained about: Reunion RoC DFC and 1st.

Out of those cards the only broken one was RoC, and knowing you your probably talking about the st 1st.

Reunion and RoC got erratad because they were found to be unbalanced, and DFC WASNT erratad, because according to james MORE ninja will be coming out that cant be targeted by jutsus,and he feels that with those cards coming out, along with more strong specific user jutsus, it would be unfair to ping first hokages jutsu. So basicaly james agreed that in the prior metagame it was unbalanced. but upcoming cards will shift it to be less disasterous(sp)

RoC is way more unbalanced than Reunion, I like how you having no cards in your hand on my turn is broken.

that just leaves first hokage. I will standy by this aslong as I need to. 1 card should not be able to demolish an entire playstyle. His effect is far to unbalanced for a mere put in play effect. Infact my only loss in the swiss at the jonin was because my opponent dropped 1st right before time was up, while I had field control and 8brs.

If the playstyle your talking about is tempo then the game should end by 6 anyway and if it doesnt then, the opponent should take control and win.
All i can say about your loss is too bad.

As for my deck having such a bad ninja line up, lets look at what your deck did, vs my deck. Your deck won a chunin d probobly a few locals with a bunch of bad decks running perimeter and ****. My deck Top 4'd a jonin, beating the sannin top 4 player adam riley in top 8, Top 2'd a chunin, going 7-1, losing only to an almost exact copy of my deck that I helped build, and won a chunin beating the sannin winner in the finals.

My deck won a chunin with 70+ players, your deck t4 a jonin with 35 players, who cares who went the only reason why they did so well at the sannins is because no socal players went to. How many people went to that chunin exactly?

Now lets go over what IVE done vs what Youve done.
I have: Top8d my first jonin. Top 4d my second jonin. Made kage. Placed 6th in the nation in the first season. Won multiple chunins with other jonin top8er/winners present in the tournament. Topped every chunin ive been to (6).

Well thats good for you but how many people went to those events. How hard is it to place with only 40-30 people there.

You have: Missed top cut at your first and only jonin. Helped(?) design a solid deck type, but ended up making it total crap.

I didn't go to that jonin and the 1st one I went to was the one at Gen Con So Cal 2006. I designed the deck you made crap.

So after the your deck vs my deck, and the you vs me, dare I ask, who are you to tell me MY deck was bad, and that you are sure YOU could beat ME because of this.

Good day sir.

-Zero[/QUOTE]

Im way more sure now that I have looked into all of your big events and saw that we double the amount of people that you guys have over there with 10 times the skill

zeroinfinityx

01-03-2008, 06:59 AM

I'll give you the fact that he is a good card but he is no where near staple status, even in a format where shika is ran in 3's. All he was in your deck was a cheap combo.
A cheap combo that creates board control and sets up an instant kill with no down side.... I fail to see how there is any problem with that, especialy since choji alone kills every 0 drop aside from a healthy naruto.

Perimeter was in the initail build only beacuse when needed the extra jutsu and it is a form of damage, I dont think that you would want to play a garra or shika injured. Back to the multi we ran it so people can't fan it away.

Perimeter is ineffecient. the card doesnt help provide a victory in a losing battle, and is only effective on turn 1-2. Multi is a decent card, but through testing its apparent the card is far less efficient then SCJ.

Let me get this straight, they are going to go like this: kunai, then dfc right, so when you see that then you should have known what was comming and responded with a negation.

................... If you dont see the flawed logic in your own post, you are a complete moron. WHAT DOES KUNAI DO? -__-

I'll let you think about it fro awhile.

Look at who has to resort to name calling.
Well, The shoe fit :\

Also if your opponent is palying kunai and you lose to him i think you suck.
......... Kunai + DFC = gg.

So out of the cards comming in the next few sets which you say are problematic?.
There are a few. Set 16 cards for teh most part

I didnt go to that event my friends did.
...Yes... Then blindly claim that your friends WOULD have topped.

Can you tell me what DL broght freedori, DL didnt even have to be realeased and he would have the same deck, with the exeption of mabey an Emi.
DL brought nothing aside from Emi, nawaki, and kisame. Thats not the issue. I said he hadnt played for 3 sets, you said 2. You were wrong :\

Last time i checked Josh is 1st.
Overall doesnt mean anything. the only rating system that counts for anything is Premier

And the last time i checked both you and Jds chunins have had under 40 people, while the socal chunins have 60-70 allways with the exception of one. So you tell me where the compatition is.
I have Sannin winner/topers and multiple jonin T8ers... Quality > Quantity

You have 1 jonin T8er :O

Its easier to win a chunin with 70 bad players then it is to win a chunin with 35 good players, cause you guys have room to lose to each other. in 5-6 round swiss you can only lose once to insure that you will top, and odds are, if you are going undefeated you will be playing the best players in the later swiss rounds.

Out of those cards the only broken one was RoC, and knowing you your probably talking about the st 1st.
RoC was far less of an issue then reunion, but you just cant see teh obvious :\

RoC is way more unbalanced than Reunion, I like how you having no cards in your hand on my turn is broken.
This is exactly why the play testers didnt see the proboblem with reunion at first. Their head was up their... well, you know ;)

Aslong as I have 2 cards in hand I'm getting an extra draw on the folowing turn. If you attack, I chump and paper bomb, I get an additional free draw. No one would ditch their hand, unless they had absolute garbage, but in that case they would still probobly keep 1 card.

If the playstyle your talking about is tempo
Tempo is a deck type, not a playstyle. Learning terms is cool.

then the game should end by 6 anyway and if it doesnt then, the opponent should take control and win.
After R&R tempo rarely won before turn 6 because it was expected. The game would end with random BR missions pushing through for the win. Cant do that now

who cares who went

LOLOLOLOLOLOOOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

I just won :\

the only reason why they did so well at the sannins is because no socal players went to.
OF COARSE. By that logic, the only reason Socal players won Anime expo, is because only 1 NY player went (who topped, beating most of your crummy decks) had more of us went, a NY player would have won -_-

See how that logic sucks? Its the same with your logic. The winner won, it is what it is.

BTW, Andre gamble and his crew went to gencon, and most of tehm scrubbed ;)

How many people went to that chunin exactly?
30-35.

Well thats good for you but how many people went to those events. How hard is it to place with only 40-30 people there.
Its harder to top an event with less people, more of which withh skill (shown by th enumber of high ranked players, jonin/sannin winners/T8ers.

I designed a bad deck, and you made an amazing deck with the same obvious theme

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Im way more sure now that I have looked into all of your big events and saw that we double the amount of people that you guys have over there with 10 times the skill

10 times the skill proven how? we have jonin/ sannin Winners T8ers... you have 69 randoms and 1 jonin T8er... Your logic makes no sense.

Moral of the story: You lose.

-Zero

Ryu Juini

01-03-2008, 12:53 PM

<---Sips Soda and Eats Popcorn while observing.

MeGaMaRiK

01-03-2008, 02:44 PM

<---Sips Soda and Eats Popcorn while observing.

That's what I'm doing, haha.

Is this fight any bit meaningful? except entertainment? lol

RoC was broken, now it's really fair. And if you say that Reunion wasn't broken... please quit the game; it let you draw anything in your deck.

nogard

01-04-2008, 02:07 AM

A cheap combo that creates board control and sets up an instant kill with no down side.... I fail to see how there is any problem with that, especialy since choji alone kills every 0 drop aside from a healthy naruto.

But in your deck hes not ment to kill the zero drops is he? He might just get the occassional (SP) damage in without shikas help.

Perimeter is ineffecient. the card doesnt help provide a victory in a losing battle, and is only effective on turn 1-2. Multi is a decent card, but through testing its apparent the card is far less efficient then SCJ.

Why do you think it was taken out in palce for more multi's. Try useing multi after 3 RoC and then come back to me.

................... If you dont see the flawed logic in your own post, you are a complete moron. WHAT DOES KUNAI DO? -__-

I'll let you think about it fro awhile.

Mabey you should see the flaw in your logic because i was stating that the negation to be used on kunai, or even better a removal

Well, The shoe fit :\

......... Kunai + DFC = gg.

I didnt know that the 1st is untargetable.

There are a few. Set 16 cards for teh most part

Some one i saw from that set are some hokages namely 1st+3rd mission 313 pain of curse seal, and the ones for leaf and sand, also ninja 381

...Yes... Then blindly claim that your friends WOULD have topped.

They did

DL brought nothing aside from Emi, nawaki, and kisame. Thats not the issue. I said he hadnt played for 3 sets, you said 2. You were wrong :\

Ok you got me there but I'm saying that DL didnt even need to be a set and he still would have had the same deck.

Overall doesnt mean anything. the only rating system that counts for anything is Premier[/QUOTE]

Ok then its premire but i dont go and look up everones premire like you do.

I have Sannin winner/topers and multiple jonin T8ers... Quality > Quantity

You have 1 jonin T8er :O

Mabey if we had more thatn just one jonin down here then it would be different.

Its easier to win a chunin with 70 bad players then it is to win a chunin with 35 good players, cause you guys have room to lose to each other. in 5-6 round swiss you can only lose once to insure that you will top, and odds are, if you are going undefeated you will be playing the best players in the later swiss rounds.

But that will only matter if we lose in the swiss right. Also if you paly a little kid who drops then even if you lose once then your basically screwed.

RoC was far less of an issue then reunion, but you just cant see teh obvious :\

This is exactly why the play testers didnt see the proboblem with reunion at first. Their head was up their... well, you know ;)

Even with all of the perm. mission hate around your going to say that Reunion was more of a problem, the only reason that it was a problem is because you whined about it and that got all the noobs to whine as well.

Aslong as I have 2 cards in hand I'm getting an extra draw on the folowing turn. If you attack, I chump and paper bomb, I get an additional free draw. No one would ditch their hand, unless they had absolute garbage, but in that case they would still probobly keep 1 card.

It must be nice to have Inf. paber bombs before turn 6

Tempo is a deck type, not a playstyle. Learning terms is cool.

Rush then.

After R&R tempo rarely won before turn 6 because it was expected. The game would end with random BR missions pushing through for the win. Cant do that now

I think that the tempo deck type was introduced in R&R, because of CIP.

LOLOLOLOLOLOOOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

I just won :\

OF COARSE. By that logic, the only reason Socal players won Anime expo, is because only 1 NY player went (who topped, beating most of your crummy decks) had more of us went, a NY player would have won -_-

See how that logic sucks? Its the same with your logic. The winner won, it is what it is.

If you just won why am I still here, Why dont you come down here for our next jonin whenever it is.

BTW, Andre gamble and his crew went to gencon, and most of tehm scrubbed ;)

When did I ever say he was a socal player.

Its easier to top an event with less people, more of which without skill.

How many of those said have skill like 3-5.
Fixed your quote btw.

10 times the skill proven how? we have jonin/ sannin Winners T8ers... you have 69 randoms and 1 jonin T8er... Your logic makes no sense.

Moral of the story: You lose.

-Zero[/QUOTE]

Like I said before How many jonins have you guys had there.
We only had 2, and the 1st one was way back in curse, when my friends and I have just started the game.

zeroinfinityx

01-04-2008, 10:18 AM

But in your deck hes not ment to kill the zero drops is he? He might just get the occassional (SP) damage in without shikas help.
If tehy attack me with a COP, I'm going to choji it. If I attack and they block with a choji in their team.. I'm going to choji it. Hes the second strongest 0 drop in the game, and the only reason NOT to play 3 is if hes off elementand you dont have room.

Why do you think it was taken out in palce for more multi's. Try useing multi after 3 RoC and then come back to me.
Been there done that. ROC was strong, but not worth playing in a non FPS deck. ROC requires you to gave up 4/6 cards, and 5 if you hard charge. That means if you open well, the card is useless. What happens if you top deck ROC with 1 card in hand? you cant play it. Reunion refunds your hand the entire game. If I have a good hand I obviously wouldnt ditch it. reunion was a far better card tehn RoC.

Mabey you should see the flaw in your logic because i was stating that the negation to be used on kunai, or even better a removal
If you negate the kunai... you would need another negation for DFC. so you are basicaly saying "If you dont have 2 negation in your hand, you deserve to lose" :\

as for removal, there is a reason NONE of us are playing removal this format. its far too slow, and its of elements that arent as strong as lightning wind and earth. the only exception is breakthrough... but if you polay breakthrough in a format where earth is strong... you deserve to get disguised, and lose.

I didnt know that the 1st is untargetable.
If I have a disguise jutsu he is :\

Some one i saw from that set are some hokages namely 1st+3rd mission 313 pain of curse seal, and the ones for leaf and sand, also ninja 381
I'm at school right now so I cant check the numbers, but the first is stupidly ridiculous, and the 3rd can completely turn the tide of teh game.

Ok you got me there but I'm saying that DL didnt even need to be a set and he still would have had the same deck.
I was using it as a time frame stating he was gone for 3 sets... 3 sets is 3 sets.

Ok then its premire but i dont go and look up everones premire like you do.

Everyones? No. I check my own, because afterall, I do enjoy getting the shiney red pin and box :\

Mabey if we had more thatn just one jonin down here then it would be different.
You had 2 -_-

But that will only matter if we lose in the swiss right. Also if you paly a little kid who drops then even if you lose once then your basically screwed.
That happens here too but again, more players,more rounds, more leeway.

Even with all of the perm. mission hate around your going to say that Reunion was more of a problem, the only reason that it was a problem is because you whined about it and that got all the noobs to whine as well.
By that logic, Ino wasnt a problem, because their were more counters to her then reunion. Reunion was a problem because it refilled your hand every turn you had less then 3 cards, allowing you to over extend without much reprocaution.

It must be nice to have Inf. paber bombs before turn 6
It was an example of an instence where I benefit from using a jutsu... I didnt say DO IT EVERY TURN LOL.

Rush then.
good boy.

I think that the tempo deck type was introduced in R&R, because of CIP.

Tell that to jordan hanning, who toped Gencon Indy 06 with the FIRST tempo deck, running 3 man squads, pass permits and misleading jutsu.

Why dont you come down here for our next jonin whenever it is.
Pay for my plae ticket, and sure ^_^

When did I ever say he was a socal player.

I was told He lived in Socal. If not, then what about mark so's group? I KNOW they are socal. They scrubbed at gencon.

Like I said before How many jonins have you guys had there.

2....

We only had 2, and the 1st one was way back in curse, when my friends and I have just started the game.
Our first one was in curse (remember, R&R had just come out, and thats when the introduced the 2 week special event grace period) and I topped. During curse was whe the game involved alot of skill :\

-Zero

Naruto_Fan_019

01-04-2008, 07:53 PM

zeroinfinityx

01-04-2008, 08:27 PM

Well, this certainly is amusing to watch. 2 little boys fight over the internet over a children's card game. I must say, what has the world come to these days? It's freaking paper guys. Let's not have huge, 1 1/2 page long, off-topic cat fights over who or what's better. Neither of your 2 are impressing anyone, only humiliating yourselves over paper for a children's card game.

Humiliating myself? Nope, not at all.

Its a forum for a card game, there are bound to be people arguing over something. If its just "LOLPAPER" Why dont you run off and go do something YOU feel is more meaningful, cause I hear spending the time to attempt to demean 2 peoples arguement over "LOLPAPER" Doesnt impress anyone, infact, you are just humiliating yourself :\

See 2 can play at that game ;)

-Zero

Naruto_Fan_019

01-04-2008, 08:43 PM

Humiliating myself? Nope, not at all.

Its a forum for a card game, there are bound to be people arguing over something. If its just "LOLPAPER" Why dont you run off and go do something YOU feel is more meaningful, cause I hear spending the time to attempt to demean 2 peoples arguement over "LOLPAPER" Doesnt impress anyone, infact, you are just humiliating yourself :\

See 2 can play at that game ;)

-Zero

No, I'm not humiliating myself. Infact, so I won't humiliate myself, I won't get involved in this because it's pointless besides the fact that it's funny to watch. I would do something more meaningful but, I'm bored out of my mind right now and I figured since I haven't posted on this site in a while, I might as well do something. Yes, it is just LOLPAPER as you said, but seeing as of how it's still "paper" ty for agreeing with me ;)

Again, I'm not getting involved anymore than this so you and Nogard can have fun with who's superior over who. Btw congrats you can count.

Bandolero

01-04-2008, 08:57 PM

That's what I'm doing, haha.

Is this fight any bit meaningful? except entertainment? lol

RoC was broken, now it's really fair. And if you say that Reunion wasn't broken... please quit the game; it let you draw anything in your deck.

Anyone else feel that we need a commentator in here? Someone to give us a play-by-play or something like that? Point-by-point would be better I suppose. Basically outlining valid points and arguments and then interrupting with the announcement of a mean flame to the ribs, "Ooooh, he's gonna feel that one in the morning..."

On topic... yeah, sorry Reunion was broken. I love lightning and am glad it's gotten a boost to compete with the fire I hate, but even I can recognize an insanely unbalanced card when I see it. I feel the errata was a necessary action. If it was never taken because nobody whined about broken cards, then undoubtedly the infection would spread from cards to the game at it's core, until we've got a broken game. All the brokenness would just build up like a cancer until... game death. And for what started as a well conceived game in it's play system and source material, that'd be a sad end indeed. Those of you who complain about erratas? I've been playing CCGs for far too long to kid myself. It may suck that your favorite card got busted, but trust me, it's a necessity for the survival of the game.

Ryu Juini

01-05-2008, 09:01 PM

Naruto_Fan: Good job for posting only with intent to flame. Would you like a warning with that whine?

Back on topic, until you both play each other, just drop it. By the way, Nogard, interesting deck you got there. I like how it's pretty much built on being an anti to Gaara based decks. At least the Attack on the Blind Spot tech.

Regardless, Nogard, I extremely doubt you were the first person *Or persons if you count your team of misfits* to think of using Sexy Jutsu with Gaara. Even >I< saw that combo when I first read Gaara as a preview, just I've never really been an active Wind user and disregarded it as nonsense.

The only props you probably could claim is actually making a deck and trying it, but don't claim yourself to be a herald of deck-making godhood and calling everyone else a copycat because they took the 'trash' version you made and improved it to where it is today. Everyone, and I mean EVERYONE, saw Gaara's potential when he came out, just some people didn't want to bother with him at first.

Probably because 9th Match wasn't out yet.

Besides, the only person with godhood in this thread is me, bwahahaha...!!!exclamationpoint.

inthepants

01-05-2008, 09:36 PM

i have a silly idea instead of errataing cards why not make a bann list ?

Ryu Juini

01-05-2008, 09:46 PM

Because Bandai rather make cards useless to play then unplayable.

Sheesh.

SamehadaSlasher

01-05-2008, 09:59 PM

Ryu: Don't stop them, this is interesting.

hidden mist haku

01-06-2008, 02:13 PM

i have a silly idea instead of errataing cards why not make a bann list ?
Because this is a game where cards are discarded...

If you have 1 Reunion per deck then whoever draws theres first has a huge avantage..and if yours was discarded, too bad.

And errata cards to make them still usable is better than saying they can't be played.

I quit YGO because of ban lists.

nogard

01-08-2008, 12:03 AM

If tehy attack me with a COP, I'm going to choji it. If I attack and they block with a choji in their team.. I'm going to choji it. Hes the second strongest 0 drop in the game, and the only reason NOT to play 3 is if hes off elementand you dont have room.

Why would you run 3 in a format where shika is ran in 3, I know that you can use his effect as a back ninja but even that is risky.

Been there done that. ROC was strong, but not worth playing in a non FPS deck. ROC requires you to gave up 4/6 cards, and 5 if you hard charge. That means if you open well, the card is useless. What happens if you top deck ROC with 1 card in hand? you cant play it. Reunion refunds your hand the entire game. If I have a good hand I obviously wouldnt ditch it. reunion was a far better card tehn RoC.

Thats why you play 3 of's ninjas so you can charge them with release and then draw your jutsu, while still having your curve, and if you dont have it then thats why you play sakura.

If you negate the kunai... you would need another negation for DFC. so you are basicaly saying "If you dont have 2 negation in your hand, you deserve to lose" :\

Removal is a form of negation right, so just remove him or in your case just sexy him so it wont resolve.

as for removal, there is a reason NONE of us are playing removal this format. its far too slow, and its of elements that arent as strong as lightning wind and earth. the only exception is breakthrough... but if you polay breakthrough in a format where earth is strong... you deserve to get disguised, and lose.

How bout lightning/ water or fire, or even wind/ water or fire, both are really good if you build it right. Both carry negation and one of the elements you refered to.

If I have a disguise jutsu he is :\

So I cant have my own right.

I'm at school right now so I cant check the numbers, but the first is stupidly ridiculous, and the 3rd can completely turn the tide of teh game.

Ok but did you see the other ones.

I was using it as a time frame stating he was gone for 3 sets... 3 sets is 3 sets.

All right you got me.

Everyones? No. I check my own, because afterall, I do enjoy getting the shiney red pin and box :\

Just like my friends and I are going to enjoy winning that too.

You had 2 -_-[/QUOTE]

Which are you counting.

That happens here too but again, more players,more rounds, more leeway.

Just to let you know that no x-2 have toped here.

By that logic, Ino wasnt a problem, because their were more counters to her then reunion. Reunion was a problem because it refilled your hand every turn you had less then 3 cards, allowing you to over extend without much reprocaution.

No because the counters for ino were either to expensive, or crappy

It was an example of an instence where I benefit from using a jutsu... I didnt say DO IT EVERY TURN LOL.

But you made it seem like you did.

Tell that to jordan hanning, who toped Gencon Indy 06 with the FIRST tempo deck, running 3 man squads, pass permits and misleading jutsu.

Tell me why the only one of those used now is pass permit.

Pay for my plae ticket, and sure ^_^

Why dont you pay for me to go to your next jonin, since it seems like you have enough to pay for a lot of things.

I was told He lived in Socal. If not, then what about mark so's group? I KNOW they are socal. They scrubbed at gencon.

Mark So is a good player but he gets high alot and that messes him up alot, also he is not a N'joy player.

Our first one was in curse (remember, R&R had just come out, and thats when the introduced the 2 week special event grace period) and I topped. During curse was whe the game involved alot of skill :\

-Zero[/QUOTE]

Like I said I just started playing when that event came up, and my fire/water was pretty crappy because I didnt have ES 's or EotD even though I went x-2