New CRD has been posted!

[Joshman]

Find it all HERE. (http://www.officialbleachtcg.com/pdfs/BleachTCG_CE.pdf)

Notable changes include "Up Close and Personal" and "Right in the Eye" are now one per deck.

"Benihime" and "Hyorinmaru" lose non-unique.

[Ąerŏ]

UCAP & RITE getting limited to 1 = good stuff. No more abuse. Also, you the link has http:// twice.

[Turonik]

UCAP & RITE getting limited to 1 = good stuff. No more abuse. Also, you the link has http:// twice.

That may be but now we'll have to listen to whiners.

The link wouldn't work for but thanks for the heads up Joshman.

[Ąerŏ]

That may be but now we'll have to listen to whiners.

The link wouldn't work for but thanks for the heads up Joshman.

The majority of people that were complaining to begin with were complaining about UCAP & RITE being at 4. Anyone else is just a complete idiot imo, they're bad for the game at 4.

[Turonik]

The majority of people that were complaining to begin with were complaining about UCAP & RITE being at 4. Anyone else is just a complete idiot imo, they're bad for the game at 4.

My point is you can't make everyone happy and I was really just referring to my play group since they love those cards.

[Justmcnew]

Well all I can say is that this was needed, Boost of 4 is just too much which was hurting the game some. I just gotta figure out what to take out for those cards in my decks.

Though of course since the game seems like it's dying in my area this probably won't effect me that much anyway.

In a 60 card deck playing something restricted to 1 of Boost 4 is pointless, but If Bleach was setup to a 40 card deck like in Naruto then it wouldn't be pointless IMO.

[Kiz]

Exactly what I was thinking Justmcnew. I doubt they'll see any play now.

[Turonik]

I can still see it being played. If BoS and PO where limited to 1 copy they would still be played because they are both still good cards. UCaP and RIte where really being abused and needed to be toned down since it's gotten to the point I don't dare try to block quick or str because of them and that's not good for the game. Also keep in mind another 4 booster is coming in set 3. Soul society has some good hosers for blitz but the environment still needed some help in that department.

[soviet prince]

score is my best friend know, I say that the next 4 booster in the next set will have limit one per deck also, but I think it will be better to not make anymore 4 boost.

[The 14th Captain]

Thanks for the heads up Joshman, this is excellent news! I for one am pleased to hear that 2 of the most abusable boost cards in the game have been restricted.

The leash on rush grows ever shorter... mwahahaha

[Justmcnew]

I still doubt Up Close and Personal and Right in the Eye are gonna see heavy play anymore unless you run some Event search in your deck but then like what's the point in doing that just to boost a Character's stats If you can't use the same card again late game?

People are probably gonna run Shoot to Kill in 3's or 4's over the Boost 4 cards anyway.

[soviet prince]

I like the change it seems that ppl on toptier are still winning about it and there the ones that pushed the change.

[The 14th Captain]

That's why I don't associate myself with toptier anymore. 95% of that forum is sheer idiocy. I'm not surprised to hear that, I don't expect much else from them.

[Justmcnew]

Top Tier just needs to get over it and move on, this new CRD just leaves room for other Events to be played.

[soviet prince]

Top Tier just needs to get over it and move on, this new CRD just leaves room for other Events to be played.

just what I was thinking they seem to have to super natural talent to complain.:D

Additional Comment:

they also say that you can lucksack into it, but don't that hold true for every card in the game.

[Turonik]

I made the mistake by going to top tier to see what they had to say on the subject hoping to see some intelligent conversations on the subject. I was dead wrong. It's almost like a precursor of what I have to look forward to on Saturday. I know everyone is entitled to his or her own opinion but... there is a limit.

But if only one website was responsible for the change then that's scary to me. because I highly doubt the majority of the players of the Bleach tcg go their to voice their opinions. I doubt this highly since I just think Joshman's post there just shown how tired he was hearing about it... the poor fool.

[GGGRRRRRR]

nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo for the love of god why did they do that to my deck they smacked it in the face damn you score damn you to hell!!!!!!!!

[The 14th Captain]

Hey GRRRR, save that sort of crap for toptier, this is the intelligent forum. If your deck was that dependent on giant boost cards then you are probably one of the people contributing to the lack of balance in the metagame by playing rush. I have nothing against you personally but I have absolutely no sympathy for people who play that way.

This clarification is a well needed step in the right direction for Bleach, I hope Score keeps up the good work.

[GGGRRRRRR]

oh don't get so snippy i think that the ruling were truely needed but i thought they would atleast make them two per deck now theres no point to having them in your deck. what's the point of waiting on one card in a sixty card deck. oh well though r.i.p. ucap and the unborn rite.

[The 14th Captain]

I didn't mean to come off so abrasively, I just wanted to quell any dramatic complaint-filled posts early before this becomes another toptier-style piss and moan parade.

The fact that having one copy kills the usefulness is good, it discourages use of the card altogether. It's like banning it without actually doing it. This way nobody can boost an attack by 8 with just two events, it's great. It will also force people to throw something else in their decks that isn't a cheap-ass boost card. I guess all the net-deckers are going to have to wait until after the first couple Regionals to see what the top players are using in it's place haha. Thats a shame, all those poor Rushing *******s (no offense) running around like chickens with their heads cut off; trying to figure out how to fill the ragged hole the CRD tore in their over-played builds.

It warms my heart to think of what kind of BS will take it's place. Probably more characters courtesy of SS. The Cap'n is pleased, I think this calls for a drink!

[soviet prince]

oh don't get so snippy i think that the ruling were truely needed but i thought they would atleast make them two per deck now theres no point to having them in your deck. what's the point of waiting on one card in a sixty card deck. oh well though r.i.p. ucap and the unborn rite.

that's the entire point, it's good that no one will use it anymore.

[Joshman]

Thought it'd be really bad to ban a promo that we just released.

As I said to all the complainers on Top Tier, if your opponent drawing one of two cards in a sixty card deck is an auto-loss for you then I'm afraid there just isn't a CRD we can make to help you.

[Sinsilver Wings]

Yeah manz toptier is full of idiots! but dey havz good grammah an spieling skilz.

=/

This is still a bad CRD.

[The 14th Captain]

but dey havz good grammah an spieling skilz.
Haha, hardly. Quite the contrary actually.

I won the promo at my local last week, and now that it's limited to one I only need to run it by itself! I'm kinda happy about that. A lot of people are crying about it, but I'm definitely not one of them, thanks Joshman; and huge props to the other individuals who had a hand in the decision.

[Turonik]

I've played numerous CCGs, each with it's own policy on problem cards. Some banned and restricted, others used errata's. The idea of this is to balance the environment. While some may disagree with how score settled it, they should understand why they did it at all in the first place.

The explanation is simple. Score DOES care. If they didn't they wouldn't even have released the first crd. Would you have rather wanted them to have done nothing? I do admit I feel Score should have playtested the first set better, that was totally their fault. However they saw the mistake in action and did what they could to tone it back after the game was released.

I ask the gripers one simple question "would you have rather Score done nothing like some other games?"

[The 14th Captain]

Well said Turonik, I agree. More thorough playtesting could have avoided this, but the time for could-haves is over, it's what's being done now that counts. Besides, how were the play testers supposed to know that everyone would run 4 UCAP's and abuse the hell out of the boost system? I'm sure they didn't forsee everyone filling their decks with a bunch of low drop commons and ruining the game either.

[soviet prince]

Yeah manz toptier is full of idiots! but dey havz good grammah an spieling skilz.

=/

This is still a bad CRD.

Undefeated just be happy Score is trying to balance this game the best way they can. I don't think every member on Tier are Idiots just compulsive complainers.

[Ąerŏ]

I've played numerous CCGs, each with it's own policy on problem cards. Some banned and restricted, others used errata's. The idea of this is to balance the environment. While some may disagree with how score settled it, they should understand why they did it at all in the first place.

The explanation is simple. Score DOES care. If they didn't they wouldn't even have released the first crd. Would you have rather wanted them to have done nothing? I do admit I feel Score should have playtested the first set better, that was totally their fault. However they saw the mistake in action and did what they could to tone it back after the game was released.

I ask the gripers one simple question "would you have rather Score done nothing like some other games?"

*Cough*YGO*Cough*

Anyway, bottom line: good CRD. You don't agree, noone cares. lol

[Sinsilver Wings]

lol you guys act like we're complaining cuz they got changed which is hardly the case.

lol I don't think any of you guys played inuyasha pre set 6 competetively... If you did you'd understand what my gripe is and why I was making it. It'll take a few more games of sacking to occur infront of thier eyes before it'll be fixed if ever. jeez now that I think about it OTM was legal for.... a year atleast 0_O.... T_T....

[soviet prince]

yeah it's only a 4 boost and the effect is not all that great, if you get sacked by this card you were losing anyway. What the playtesters need to do know if refrain(sp) from making any more 4 boost then we will be all right.

[Maupin]

I will admit that there are some idiots on top tier arguing that the CRD was bad, because it affects thier decks, but at the same time there still problems with the game itself. Without TopTierGaming.com most of your problems would not be brought up to Score. While you may complain that top tier is complaining about something changing or something not changing you forget that no game is going to be perfect, and that the players of top tier have been behind score since DBZ ccg came out 7 or 8 years ago.

People at Score are more likely to listen to the players of Top Tier since we are normally the ones who prove that we know what we are doing through tournament results. Take Gencon as an example 5 people who made top cut were Top Tier members ( 2 of those players who weren't top tier members had decks made by top tier members the night before ). So if you want to complain about Top Tier as a whole take into account who has the better results and has proven themselves time and time again.

[soviet prince]

I will admit that there are some idiots on top tier arguing that the CRD was bad, because it affects thier decks, but at the same time there still problems with the game itself. Without TopTierGaming.com most of your problems would not be brought up to Score. While you may complain that top tier is complaining about something changing or something not changing you forget that no game is going to be perfect, and that the players of top tier have been behind score since DBZ ccg came out 7 or 8 years ago.

People at Score are more likely to listen to the players of Top Tier since we are normally the ones who prove that we know what we are doing through tournament results. Take Gencon as an example 5 people who made top cut were Top Tier members ( 2 of those players who weren't top tier members had decks made by top tier members the night before ). So if you want to complain about Top Tier as a whole take into account who has the better results and has proven themselves time and time again.

Yeah I know they have concerns about the game and there all very experienced players but I think they need to lightning up. I know there is still some problems but one of the main ones was fixed they should be happy that score cares enough about the game to try and fix a mistake. There complaints are just alienating the play testers Joshman has already stated on the board that he is deleting his link to toptier and personally I cant blame him, nothing makes a person more mad then trying to help by fixing a problem to have everybody ram the fix straight into the ground

[The 14th Captain]

Really, I don't care if the top tier members are majority shareholders of Score, or even if they helped paint the damned building. They way they reacted is ridiculous, especially since their complaints were largely responsible for the change itself. If they complained in an intelligent and concise manner, with reasonable methodologies behind their complaints, that would be a different story.

The main complaint seems to be "waaaahh, now my opponent can lucksack the card" or "boo-freaking-hoo, now the cheapest boost is unplayable because it's one-per-deck". These aren't legitimate complaints, and the way they are being carried out is for the most part overdramatic whining laced with swear words. Like Soviet said, if you lose because of a lucksacked 4 boost then you were losing anyway, get over it and try harder next time. If you don't think playing one of them is worth it, well that's your opinion isn't it? I think 1 is just fine, there is nothing wrong with an extra kick to an attack once in a while. The operative word being once.

I sat through all of YYH and there were no problems. I met some of the Score staff, and they were nice people who genuinely cared about the games they made. This still rings true today, but simply having experience with a game and a company doesn't excuse any poor behavior on my part does it? No I didn't think so. This decision if going to help the game, and the only people it hurts are the people who were contributing to the unbalance in the first place.

[Maupin]

I fully agree that the Score staff are some of the nicest people of the gaming buisness. I personally think its redicilous how some of the members are acting about the changes. If you ask for changes you should be happy that a company actualy listens to what the player base has to say. This is the only time I'm going to say that I'm ashamed to be on the staff of Top Tier. There have been squables about little things, but a lot of the members who are complaining about it are going too far.

[The 14th Captain]

Don't be ashamed Maupin, you aren't the spokesperson or representative for those ignoramuses. Those people obviously never heard of the proverb "Be careful what you wish for, you just might get it".

[Maupin]

The problem with a lot of players of Top Tier ( myself included ) is that we as a whole are the best players in Score Entertainment. Some of us feel that we have the power to change things, but once something is changed it will never satisfy everyone which leads to whare we are today.

[Psychosis]

umm... i am just wondering, is Top Tier a store or something? a website? a group? a forum? what is it? i am confuz...

[The 14th Captain]

It's a forum. A forum whose members believe that their opinions count more than anyone else's within the realm of Score Entertainment.

[dicarlo]

While I for one wanted to see UCAP and RITE get the ban hammer, I am more than ok with seeing them restricted to 1 per deck.

[Maupin]

It's a forum. A forum whose members believe that their opinions count more than anyone else's within the realm of Score Entertainment.

I wouldn't go that far as saying all oll of the members have that opinion, but a lot of the staff seem to have that opinion since a good portion of us have Playtested for past Score games, so that opinion is going to exist.

[Fresko21]

The problem with a lot of players of Top Tier ( myself included ) is that we as a whole are the best players in Score Entertainment.

Take Gencon as an example 5 people who made top cut were Top Tier members ( 2 of those players who weren't top tier members had decks made by top tier members the night before ).

Dont speak for everyone. I can state for a fact that Joey and I (2 of the Top 8 players, Joey won the event and got 2nd at Origins.) dont want the Top Tier banner over our heads. We dont support Top Tier anymore. We arent "Top Tier" players. We dont like the people there, all they do is whine and complain.

Back in the day Top Tier was a fantastic site as they had content and people could learn, but that's not the fact anymore. It's like a clubhouse now. Basically just a forum for old Z players to congregate and whine about games they dont play. We had no problem including ourselves as Top Tier members at that point as we traveled to events and roomed with 8-16 other members and had a great weekend amongs friends. Not the case anymore.

We dont want a part of it, yet we more than enjoy being a part of a community that is very active and has great discussions. Seems like Pojo is the place for us. A MUCH friendlier community than Top Tier is and will ever be in the future.

To end, I dont agree with a lot of the statements you've made. You should really watch what you say, All you are doing is making people think you are a ****.

[Sinsilver Wings]

yah but your just a luck sack fresko.... =) =P

lol the 14th captian your posts are very confrontational toward us even though we've done nothing to you. people have started to notice but they've just laughed. as I'm doing. But I don't appreciate the labels you've casted on EVERYONE from TTG.

lol pojo will NOT be our new breeding grounds me and joey already discussed this. You see what they think of us already here T_T and we're the elite dance team of score ent.

lol @ I hate TT but I admit they are the reason we got this crd, and I <3 this CRD, but I still hate TT and it's peoples.

/Slippys Hit

[Fresko21]

yah but your just a luck sack fresko.... =) =P

lol the 14th captian I can't even respond to you with out breaking 400 rules so I'll just say "ok"

lol pojo will NOT be our new breeding grounds me and joey already discussed this. You see what they think of us already here T_T and we're the elite dance team of score ent.

lol @ I hate TT but I admit they are the reason we got this crd, and I <3 this CRD, but I still hate TT and it's peoples.

/Slippys Hit

We talked about Pojo a few hrs ago, and so far it seems like the best community to join.

They only think of TT people in that way because of the handful that post here like TT Elitists, and when they read the site all they see are people whining. Some of us arent like that.

[Sinsilver Wings]

We talked about Pojo a few hrs ago, and so far it seems like the best community to join.

They only think of TT people in that way because of the handful that post here like TT Elitists, and when they read the site all they see are people whining. Some of us arent like that.

Remeber you're not part of TTG you free floater you =P

[Joshman]

Well, let's not get too off topic... but let me go off topic for a second. It's not the people or the website of TT that people have a problem with, it's the attitude. You are allowed to have a different opinion than me, you are allowed to disagree with things I say and Score does, you are allowed to voice this opinion. But I certainly don't need to stand there and take a mob of insults when all I'm trying to do is explain our actions and foster good relations with the player base. That is not a part of my job (although I am responsible for what I say and do on the boards), I do it as a courtesy to the players as I was once one of them.

That being said, I like Pojo. It's not a clubhouse full of people who just want to be on a message board, but it's actually got a lot of people who are here because they either like the game or like Bleach in general.

As for banning the +4s, realistically that wasn't going to happen. Some people seem to think that I make all the decisions and that every option is open to me, but in reality that is not the case. I don't like limit one per deck cards, and until the errata there weren't any in set two and three. But I like banned cards even less, especially when we gave out Right in the Eye promos for the Soul Society release. I do not want to tell people the exclusive promo we gave them for the release is now banned. That would've been a PR nightmare, and could very well have alienated some of the playerbase. Things like that have to be taken into account.

With that being said, I think that the +4 cards are fine as limit one per deck cards. Honestly, I'm surprised cards like Questionable Logic and Narrow Escape haven't been played as much, those were pretty much staples in playtesting decks (specifically Narrow Escape, which is why I pushed for it to be on the redemption). I think the environment will be fine for now, but we are always on the lookout for problem cards. Remember, just because you win a game because of a card doesn't make it broken.

[Kiz]

I stopped posting on TT awhile ago for pretty much the same reasons. No one ever really had anything constructive to say. Pojo has always been my home though.

I'm satisfied with the CRD. Although there are a few cards I was hoping get errata'd or banned, it didn't happen. Still I'm ok with it to a point. I'm pretty much happy overall in the swiftness of the changes we get. This is my first Score game, so if it happened with the others too then I wouldn't know but, I think the fact that the people who make the CRD actually play and listen to some players is a very good thing. If Bandai had been so quick to adjust things for Naruto I would never had quit.

[Fresko21]

It's not the people or the website of TT that people have a problem with, it's the attitude.

The attitude IS the people, and it is why TT is TT. Unfortunately that will never change, and because I was admin/writer there for 2 yrs I will always have it branded on me.

As for staying on topic with the CRD, Im more than fine with what happened. The 4 boost cards were really the only cards I had a problem with. Henchmen is a card that people keep bringing up, but I dont see it ever being a problem. A lot of decks will be trait based, and to throw him into a trait based deck can really throw things out of whack. As for non trait based decks, he has to fit the energy curve or else you will be playing your other characters a turn later than they would have originally come out. I never had a problem with him.

As for the whole banning the 4 boost cards, it's understandable. When I saw the prerelease RITE I knew they wouldnt get banned. I wasnt running either RITE or UCAP in either of the set 2 decks Ive been working on. With a larger card pool I have a hard time fitting in a card who's sole purpose is to just boost rather than a card with a utility effect. But Id rather play control or combo than beats, so they were never a necessity.

Anyone who loses to a one shot RITE or UCAP and whines about being sacked never had a chance to win the game to begin with. People who feel those cards are a problem in Kisuke 1's.dec are meh since they're already boosting away infinite cards in the process, adding a few more damage isnt huge when they're already dumping their hand for boosting as is.

[soviet prince]

Yeah pojo is a great site, most ppl are friendly and have positive things to contribute to the game, that why I always preferred this site over tier.

[So Angry]

Ok im from TT and im, gonna clear a few things up, 1 no one is angry that the cards are 1 per deck people just feel a ban would be better, 2 this isn't about us getting our way or not this is about (not trying to bash but its hard to be honest and not to) a game with bad mechanics and a very low skill set to play, and none of us expect the big heads left at score to admit there faults and change the core of the game, so all we expect is erratas and other fixes to be done to a T or we won't put up with supporting a fundamentally flawed game with so little care given i've said it before and i'll say it again for you sheep hear at pojo anything with bleach on it will sell so it's the people making the game (Aik and Joshman) to cater to us to make it enjoyable enough for us to continue buying. We the customer have the power and i intend as well as others to make sure that SOMEONE does there best to give us a good product cause the people in charge right now aren't doing it.

[soviet prince]

Ok im from TT and im, gonna clear a few things up, 1 no one is angry that the cards are 1 per deck people just feel a ban would be better, 2 this isn't about us getting our way or not this is about (not trying to bash but its hard to be honest and not to) a game with bad mechanics and a very low skill set to play, and none of us expect the big heads left at score to admit there faults and change the core of the game, so all we expect is erratas and other fixes to be done to a T or we won't put up with supporting a fundamentally flawed game with so little care given i've said it before and i'll say it again for you sheep hear at pojo anything with bleach on it will sell so it's the people making the game (Aik and Joshman) to cater to us to make it enjoyable enough for us to continue buying. We the customer have the power and i intend as well as others to make sure that SOMEONE does there best to give us a good product cause the people in charge right now aren't doing it.

they don't really need to be banned, UCAP and RITE are not as effective limited to 1 as when they were run in 4's.

Also what tier member are you?

[So Angry]

Kisuke is a huge issue and none of you even see it yet, it draws a lot of cards and for everytime it boosts with an item it gets to replace it, last time i checked plus 4 damage a turn was a problem. Also why the hell wasn't hallow henchmen fixed it was an apparent error that just happened to favor the environment set 1 so why not fix it now so hollows are at least an option. My biggest issue is they refuse to fix the bad before its a problem so what im gathering is to them its out of sight out of mind again not caring. The last thing this game needs is an overpowered boost guy and to handcuff an already stagnant environment

[d-zero]

Kisuke is a huge issue and none of you even see it yet, it draws a lot of cards and for everytime it boosts with an item it gets to replace it, last time i checked plus 4 damage a turn was a problem. Also why the hell wasn't hallow henchmen fixed it was an apparent error that just happened to favor the environment set 1 so why not fix it now so hollows are at least an option.

I'm really not seeing this huge Kisuke problem but you guys must be playing him differently for Kisuke to seem so horrible. SA I guess you haven't read the other posts concerning HH so I'm not going to waste space repeating others on that issue.

[Kiz]

No, Kisuke is a Huge HUGE problem. I was really hoping for an errata for him, but I guess we didn't get one.

[Psychosis]

This one is for something Joshman mentioned, but his quote was too huge lol

narrow Escape: Thats an Uncommon right? wtf.... my 7 boxes... not 1

Friends combined 10 boxes, yet to see it...

this idiot shifty guy at our store 4 boxes none

Jordan 2 Boxes none

random guy with a box nope not there either

this is not an exageration. 24 BOXES of 12 PACKS!!!! that I have looked through extensively and been there for the opening of the packs.... NOT 1!!!!!!!!!

is this a short print? a misprinted rare? does my area just suck?

[Joshman]

I'll have to say Door #3.

All cards of a set rarity have an equal pull rate to every other card of that rarity.

[Psychosis]

haha ok. thanks. either way, we will keep trying ^_^ atm we already bought out everywhere haha so we are waiting on a restock :D

[Joshman]

Keep in mind that there are promo Narrow Escapes on the redemption list.

[Maupin]

Fresko, I apologize for striking a nerve inside you. It was never my intent to make anyone from Top Tier look bad. I'm just dissapointed that certian people had to push everything as far as it went. After what happened yesterday I too am taking a break from Top Tier. While I will be on there to look over and see that no one is spamming the misc. forums don't expect too much from me beyond that.

I'll agree with you on the fact that I do need to watch what I say. I don't intend to make anyone angry I do have the habit of speaking my mind on a message board not realizing what other people think about me. I'll admit that I could have worded what I said much better that what I did, all I was trying to say was that a majority of us do know what we are doing in this game from the fact that we have had a lot of our group top cut in the two events that have happened.

Sadly I agree no matter whare we go that the label of Top Tier member will hang above our heads. Maybe its time we count our losses and move on.

[Sinsilver Wings]

Hush. have you lost the pride of being part of TTG??? Even if it's in a slump right now there was the golden years to that site. I hold the pride of being from TTG very highly... apparently everyone else has lost the pride.

but then again. I've always found the name "TopTier" catchy so I've always liked that place more than any other forum ever, so I may be biased.... maybe... nah...

[soviet prince]

Kisuke is a huge issue and none of you even see it yet, it draws a lot of cards and for everytime it boosts with an item it gets to replace it, last time i checked plus 4 damage a turn was a problem. Also why the hell wasn't hallow henchmen fixed it was an apparent error that just happened to favor the environment set 1 so why not fix it now so hollows are at least an option. My biggest issue is they refuse to fix the bad before its a problem so what im gathering is to them its out of sight out of mind again not caring. The last thing this game needs is an overpowered boost guy and to handcuff an already stagnant environment

I say that he will be errated if he is proven a problem in the next regionals.

[The 14th Captain]

lol the 14th captian your posts are very confrontational toward us even though we've done nothing to you. people have started to notice but they've just laughed. as I'm doing. But I don't appreciate the labels you've casted on EVERYONE from TTG.


Alright, I was wrong to chastise everyone from Top Tier. Once you guys emerge from that ridiculous hive (the only fitting description for a venue so raucus and discordant) you are pretty stand up guys for the most part. I have had some pretty bad experiences over there (Jarrett ripping me for one) and I have long since held that site in high disdain. The events of the other day only served to solidify these senitiments, and I reacted thusly. I encourage top tier members who have something intelligent to contribute to our communty on pojo to join and invite like-minded friends, it's pretty nice here and everyone generally gets along.

As far as you laughing, I actually brought the arguments from top tier up on the computer at my local and we found you guys to be a riot. A few people actually wanted to register on top tier just to ask you guys what kind of tampons you use, but I discouraged it. That would be childish :)

[Fresko21]

Alright, I was wrong to chastise everyone from Top Tier. Once you guys emerge from that ridiculous hive (the only fitting description for a venue so raucus and discordant) you are pretty stand up guys for the most part.

There was an era when TT was a good site to visit, though it has always been a bit rugged as we definately didnt encourage flaming, but we didnt shy way from allowing people to speak their mind to others abrasively. Although I would say that "you are pretty stand up guys for the most part." is a little too much. I wouldnt include enough of the vocal members to go far enough as to say "the most part". But the site has gotten to the point where a few of us refuse to be labeled as part of TT anymore, and I feel that the few I can speak for are good guys who will definately join in and/or start good discussions here on Pojo. Although I want nothing to do with TT anymore aside from maybe posting here and there less than ocassionally, I have enough respect for Matt Low as a person to keep my admin spot on the site and help out with behind the scenes stuff if anything arises as he is a busy person.

Maupin, no worries, just watch what you say when you are trying to speak for people other than yourself.

Josh, I <3 the Alt Art Narrow Escape picture. I wish I had enough pts to get sets of both Escapes and Checks, but that's too many pts =(

[WildWill]

I would like to remind EVERYONE that discussions of other forums and websites is STRICTLY FORBIDDEN here on Pojo.

Additionally, bashing of companies and individuals is NEVER allowed.

We definitely appreciate the loyal Pojoers who are supportive of this site and are saying such nice things about this community.

At the same time, there will be no more shenangins from other forums here. PLEASE report bad posts and topics and they will be dealt with swiftly.

Please enjoy your gaming and Bleach.

Thanks.

[Maupin]

Wild Will - I understand what you are saying about talking about other websites\forums, but at the same time I think that is being slightly anal. There has been a break out of Top Tier Gaming left with some of its staff trying to find other places to go. If we were trying to advertise the forums I would back up that rule 100% since we didn't allow it on top tier, but to say that we can't mention another website in general is really pushing that line of fairness and being too strict.

Fresko - I'm assuming the small anger explosion ( if we want to call it that or whatever ) was built up annoyance from Top Tier and how things were handled there.

[The Ultimate Warrior]

I used to lurk around here and a certain "unnamed website", and I chose to finally join this site becuase it has people who like to play this game and don't always talk about how winning another 360 as if thats the only reason for the game.

I'm really glad Joshman is here too since i dont really like the official boards (sorry Fresko, i think your a mod there). The people from the other board kept insulting you, but then they came here after you left cause they need you and want your attention lol.

The new errata is good, even though my Kenpachi deck isn't as good against all the netdeckers who run the +4s now, lol. But now I think I can try other decks since I don't have to worry about getting hit for a lot of damage if I run out of escapes, passing over (with john edwards lol), or balances. I can't wait for the kanonji rangers to come up, but I'm interested in evil doctor squad cause I heard they play like DBZ and DBZ plays like Raw Deal (which I used to play).

[The 14th Captain]

but we didnt shy way from allowing people to speak their mind to others abrasively.

That is as true here as it is there (I'm proud to say I have yet to take flak from anyone, as some of the other members will attest) but the difference is we don't have that "Holier than thou" attitude that has given *** **** the reputation that it has now. I realize now of course that there are a number of ** members who are as disgusted with that behavior as I am, and I hope they all find coming here regularly to be a comfortable transition.

In another light, ** is still a valuable source of up-to-date info about the game, from upcoming Tournies, to freshly released product. But with the release of SS, Pojo has shown that our members are just as active in the game, and just as savvy about the latest info (big thanks to everyone who hunted down and posted up links to previews back then.) I think that if the members of *** ****, and the atmosphere of pojo were to come together, we would have a really good outlet for everything related to exchanging info about the Bleach TCG.

[Maupin]

Well currently the most I can do is offer to keep you updated about an hour and 1\2 after the Michigan Regional next weekend. I'll attempt keep a pad of notes on each match and what not...See if there is anything after the regional that needs to be errated.

[Psychosis]

Well currently the most I can do is offer to keep you updated about an hour and 1\2 after the Michigan Regional next weekend. I'll attempt keep a pad of notes on each match and what not...See if there is anything after the regional that needs to be errated.

I am interested to see as well, friend and I have a bet to see how many "rush type Decks" top 8... I say max of 2, he says at least 5... I'm interested to see how it goes.

[Fresko21]

I'm really glad Joshman is here too since i dont really like the official boards (sorry Fresko, i think your a mod there).

No offense taken. Anyone who has played card games and has been to forums other than the games main site knows that main boards are great for new players, but that's about it. Since it's linked to the main site it's the first forum that new players see. There isnt always high level discussion which is fine since that's what sites like this are for. They tend to be a starting point for new players, and from there new players tend to branch out to sites like this once they find out about the other online communities. It's also the best place to get rulings. I know Joshman answers ruling questions on other sites, but he obviously checks the main boards for rulings a lot more frequently, so it's the best place to get a quick official ruling (Usually by the end of the work day if posted during business hours, if not within 24 hrs if the next day is a business day.).

[Maupin]

I am interested to see as well, friend and I have a bet to see how many "rush type Decks" top 8... I say max of 2, he says at least 5... I'm interested to see how it goes.

Honestly I feel that 5\8 of the decks will be rush oriented. The other 3 will be a mix of Kisuke abuse draws and Byakuya decks

[The Ultimate Warrior]

I still think rush will be played a lot at the Michigan regional because from what I seen a lot of so-called top tier players just try to play the same decks that I see online and outdraw each other. A deck that runs good defense should win. I wish I could go but I don't want to spend that much money to get there or take off from work.

[Maupin]

I still think rush will be played a lot at the Michigan regional because from what I seen a lot of so-called top tier players just try to play the same decks that I see online and outdraw each other. A deck that runs good defense should win. I wish I could go but I don't want to spend that much money to get there or take off from work.

You also forget that was a set one enviroment. If you expect to see a lot of viable high level tournament decks out of a set 1 enviroment then I will just laugh to myself and forget that I even read that. When players that play to win enter a high level tournament they will use the quickest thing possible to win, which in set 1 was rush.

As for Fresko and Geoff, they get props from me to go to Gencon with 2 non rush decks and to have Fresko top cut with Wholes is amazing in my perspective. Geoff as I remember went to boht Gencon and Origins with a Grand Fisher deck. I will also give Geoff props on the fact that he beat me first round with it. There is no point in saying that Geoff got amazing draws or that I got bad draws, because he won and I'd rather lose to a good player using something that isn't the best deck than lose against someone I don't know using something that is cookie cutter.

[soviet prince]

The more sets that are realsed the better the more diffrent decks we will see.

[The Ultimate Warrior]

Maupin: No I was actually thinking about set two environment since some people are complaining about the +4s still being a lucky draw on other sites and about Kisuke being really good so I assumed that they are still relying a startegy of outdrawing each other instead of setting up for later turns or preserving HP. I think set one was a good start and I was amazed by how much variety set two brought, I just dont think some of the whiny players will try new stuff since they still complain about old cards like henchman. Sorry if I seemed mean or dumb cause I'm not either, lol!

Fresko seems like a nice guy and is a good player. He'd fit right in at my locals and could teach us a thing or too about Bleach (two guys here have a wholes deck). I don't know who Geoff is but he sounds like my kind of player if he was using GF. I think GF will be one of the best decks at regionals cause you can use Utter and then use the expensive Numb Chandelier (in fact its the secret deck I'm working on).

[The 14th Captain]

UD and Numb Chandelier... I like that. I like that a lot actually.

[The Ultimate Warrior]

Oh no! My secret is out!

[Maupin]

Maupin: No I was actually thinking about set two environment since some people are complaining about the +4s still being a lucky draw on other sites and about Kisuke being really good so I assumed that they are still relying a startegy of outdrawing each other instead of setting up for later turns or preserving HP. I think set one was a good start and I was amazed by how much variety set two brought, I just dont think some of the whiny players will try new stuff since they still complain about old cards like henchman. Sorry if I seemed mean or dumb cause I'm not either, lol!

Well, my views on everything:
+4s: I felt something needed to be done to them before the regional season, and I feel Score did the right thing making them Limit 1 Per Deck. If you're going to complain that your opponent drawing into their only +4 them made you lose then chances are you were never ahead to begin with. From my experience at Gencon I drew into 2 copies of UCAP early game during my final round and still lost becuase I got hit with a triple UCAP late game. When something that broken is around then something needs to be done.

Kisuke: Honestly I feel he needs to be errataed to 1 of the 3 following things
A) Use only on your turn
B) Use only on your opponent's turn
C) Remove from game an item from your hand or discard pile to draw a card. limit once per turn.

How he is now he abuses card drawing too much. Without any help other than items you draw 1\4 of your deck turn 4 and that is way too much. He should have something done to him and I feel that choice C still makes him playable without him being broken.

Also don't worry about it, I come off like an absolute ass on message at times, but I'm probably one of the nicer players if you got to know me ( just a bit too serious when it comes to my games though )

[The Ultimate Warrior]

I feel the same way about the +4s and I woulda been really mad if my new promo Right in da Eye was banned.

I'll have to wait and see what other people do with Kisuke cause in my group he drew a lot of cards, but a lot of those cards were just more items and stuff so it was more random if he drew into something you need cause of the items you had to play. If he is unbalanced then I like your fix #C.

I didn't think you were mean at all. I like that we can talk here without insulting each other, cause I'm learning a lot here and so are others (lol UD + Numby).

[soviet prince]

Maupin: No I was actually thinking about set two environment since some people are complaining about the +4s still being a lucky draw on other sites and about Kisuke being really good so I assumed that they are still relying a startegy of outdrawing each other instead of setting up for later turns or preserving HP. I think set one was a good start and I was amazed by how much variety set two brought, I just dont think some of the whiny players will try new stuff since they still complain about old cards like henchman. Sorry if I seemed mean or dumb cause I'm not either, lol!

Fresko seems like a nice guy and is a good player. He'd fit right in at my locals and could teach us a thing or too about Bleach (two guys here have a wholes deck). I don't know who Geoff is but he sounds like my kind of player if he was using GF. I think GF will be one of the best decks at regionals cause you can use Utter and then use the expensive Numb Chandelier (in fact its the secret deck I'm working on).

It's not very secret no more lol.

[Joshman]

With all the character destruction available, I agree that Grand Fisher is a good guardian in this environment.

When people asked me for decklists to play in Set one, I'd usually send them my Grand Fisher deck. In fact, Geoff (Sayjin on TT) played with the Grand Fisher decklist I gave him with a few personal playstyle changes at Origins and Gen Con. He only got better in Set two.

[soviet prince]

With all the character destruction available, I agree that Grand Fisher is a good guardian in this environment.

When people asked me for decklists to play in Set one, I'd usually send them my Grand Fisher deck. In fact, Geoff (Sayjin on TT) played with the Grand Fisher decklist I gave him with a few personal playstyle changes at Origins and Gen Con. He only got better in Set two.

GF is one of the many decks that I plan/want to build.

[Temjerk]

With all the character destruction available, I agree that Grand Fisher is a good guardian in this environment.

When people asked me for decklists to play in Set one, I'd usually send them my Grand Fisher deck. In fact, Geoff (Sayjin on TT) played with the Grand Fisher decklist I gave him with a few personal playstyle changes at Origins and Gen Con. He only got better in Set two.

What kind of character destruction are you referring to? Balance is great, sure. But bop, STK, and Utter Destruction aren't exactly good to control characters. They have their uses but none of them are going to be as consistently useful in filling the character destruction role.

And how is GF good? The deck was very bad set1. As solid a player as Geoff is, he couldnt even post a .500 record with the deck. To his credit he knew exactly what he was getting himself into, but that doesn't change the fact. And how is Taking Hostages is going to solve the problems the deck has? 2 cards from hand just to be able to attack a character...ha!The largest obsticle, is that GF has to use a huge portion of it's hand to keep things moving, and the deck doesn't exactly have any drawing advantages. Compared to something like Kisuke that will have a much bigger hand at all times, and I just don't see GF even having a chance.

[Joshman]

Character destruction is any means you can use to remove characters from the table. Utter Destruction is great character control, it clears the whole baord which you should be able to take advantage of. It was one of the great tools that Grand Fisher got this set. As the Ultimate Warrior pointed out, you can clear the board and get out some very huge hollows with Numb Chandelier.

And when you refer to Grand Fisher losing two cards to attack a character using Taking Hostages (which should be killing the character), I don't see how that's much different from Balance of Souls which you tout as a great card but also uses two cards from your hand (the initial character and the Balance), costs at least 2 more energy to use (assuming you are sacking a one cost character), and doesn't have the potential to deal breakthrough damage.

[The Ultimate Warrior]

When people asked me for decklists to play in Set one, I'd usually send them my Grand Fisher deck. In fact, Geoff (Sayjin on TT) played with the Grand Fisher decklist I gave him with a few personal playstyle changes at Origins and Gen Con. He only got better in Set two.

Yeah, you gave that deck to a guy at my store. James if you know him. I didn't know that was your deck that guy at gencon was playing. It's cool that you help out new players with decklists that are good enough to play with at premiere events maybe I should get you to build my deck too, lol!

As you can see im working on a Grand Fisher deck. I think hes better than kisuke but he's good too, lol. One of my friends made a huge attack on grand fisher and dumped his whole hand almost into boosting cause his opponent had all his energy tapped then when he was done his opponent uttered by discarding five cards and came back and won with fishbone d, lol. Yup, you guessed it it was James again, lol!

[WondaWice]

Thought it'd be really bad to ban a promo that we just released.

As I said to all the complainers on Top Tier, if your opponent drawing one of two cards in a sixty card deck is an auto-loss for you then I'm afraid there just isn't a CRD we can make to help you.

Josh you hit the middle with that, I still think that the game has its issues, but those can be resolved as soon as we can get a bigger card pool, at this point I'm not really worried about the enviroment.

Let Score have success in future sets.

[soviet prince]

Josh you hit the middle with that, I still think that the game has its issues, but those can be resolved as soon as we can get a bigger card pool, at this point I'm not really worried about the enviroment.

Let Score have success in future sets.

yeah everything will work out in the future.

[The 14th Captain]

yeah everything will work out in the future.

I concur, I doubt the same problems will persist with Seireitei