The Official Harry Potter SPOILER DISCUSSION Thread

[Black Paladin]

Anyone else thing that the protective spells were a little lame? like protego muggelum or something like that, or is that the best it can be?

[redshift71388]

Well Voldemort had a pretty cool one in the fifth book, but I'm sure that's as strong as you can make a shield charm.

[Black Paladin]

I meant the ones in the final book. I remember they were all pretty cool until Hermione and Harry used those horrid muggle protection charms. Whatever happened to Latin based spells, or was that already Latin based?

[Secret Squirrel]

Anyone else thing that the protective spells were a little lame? like protego muggelum or something like that, or is that the best it can be?

I too thought that was one of the weaknesses. It kind of bugged me because you realize that Harry, Ron and to a lesser extent Hermione (because she reads so much) don't really know very much about magic and they're going up against very experienced and skilled wizards. They can be resourceful and use the spells they've used before. (It'd be even more lame if "Voldy" was killed by some new spell that was just pulled out of a book).

In the 6th book, there was less focus on magic and more emphasis on the plot and characters. The only classes I remember that were described were Potions & Defense Against Dark Arts, and those were only portrayed a few times. And the 7th book, there's no classes at all, just action & moving the story along. This wasn't a totally bad thing, as we grew to like the characters, but another thing I think we all liked was detailed magic lessons and so on.. it was a big draw at the beginning, and a lot of that was just not there at the end of the series.

[Junior]

I totally forgot about this thread.

Yeah, that kinda bugged me too. I mean, they defeated many wizards and witches that has a lot of experience. It was also lame how Voldy was killed by a defensive spell.

However, the rest of the book was sooooooooooooo great and catchy. I'm not exaggerating. After the 1st chapter, I was hooked into the book already. After the chapter, "The Seven Potters" I couldn't even put the book down. The whole book was sooo suspenseful and tense and very interesting.

My friend, when I lended her the book, she couldn't even stop reading and she doesn't like reading. Amazing huh?

[Chaostamer]

It was also lame how Voldy was killed by a defensive spell.

He wasn't. He was killed by his own Killing Curse, that rebounded on him because the Elder Wand refused to kill Harry, its proper master.

[Junior]

Ooh. I must've misread that bit then. =O

[Mr.Missingno]

I was completly hooked about the Battle for Hogwarts chapter.

So when Harry Potterland in Universal opens up,you think they will sell Owls? :P

[Junior]

Possibly. xD

Isn't the battle for Hogwarts near the middle and end of the book? The 7 Potter ftw.

[Mr.Missingno]

Yeah,its like towards the end.I read 300 pages the day i finished,mainly for the battle.

[Omega Ridley]

lol, it took me a little over a month to finish the final book XD

I was disappointed in the way the series has ended. Barring unfortunate deaths, injuries, and the infiltration of the MoM(Ministry of Magic), the first half is mostly situations that barely have any consequence, forcing you to think "Oh, that sucks." The whole time the main characters are wandering around in the wilderness, they never leave the UK, and they always went to some sort of village. It's 1999, haven't they ever heard of a grocery store? It also seems as if the Death Eaters only patrol the UK as well. It's as if Magical Entities and Beings are only allowed to come out of England, France, and whatever. Screw those other countries, duh.

Then we come to Winter/Christmas, and that was just a horrid scene in Godric's Hollow. I wonder how they'll show Nagini coming out of Bathilda Bagshot's neck in the movie? I'm also a bit disappointed that Harry could not detect Nagini!Bathilda speaking Parseltongue. Isn't it supposed to sound a little... Hissy? Snake-like? Or it could just be a movie invention, and that Parseltongue is really supposed to sound like normal human speech to Harry.

The flashback was good, but the small NO. by Tom Riddle was fairly bad. I mean, if you were the supreme dark overlord taking over the wizarding world, only to have your body blown apart and vaporized into a mist of agony, wouldn't it be more like: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
?
I mean, wow, I've never heard of a painful "death" sounding like "No." Most deaths are drawn out, but this was short.
Voldemort: "I would have gotten away with it too if it wasn't for that meddling child."

And then it took half a book to destroy one Horcrux. Good job Harry. It was good that Ron came back, helped get the sword. Sword>ring+locket.

Then it takes THREE months to advance the plot into March, just because they're STILL debating in their tent on WHERE the Horcruxes are, and WAITING for Potterwatch.

It doesn't take three months to wait for a coded television program, three months of Ron randomly spurting out words and tapping the television. This could be done in their SPARE time.

Then Harry, fully knowing about the Taboo placed on You-Know-Who's name, blurts out VOLDEMORT. Slip of the tongue? Guess what Harry, everything you touch dies, including Dobby. I was actually scared at this point, that maybe Hermione would die? She was being tortured, and who knew if Narcissa would give out and kill her? That would have made me very sad. But I'm glad that Ollivander, and mostly, Luna survived. <3 Luna Lovegood.

And what is with Dobby dying because of a silver knife thrown during House-Elf Apparation? If Bellatrix has the reflexes to react to House Elf Magic, then why was she taken by surprise when 17-year olds tackle Death Eaters and grab their wands? I call shenanigans, unless there's a rule about Group Apparation by House Elves that states that teleportation time is increased proportionately to the number of passengers. Much like the Death Eater following the trio to 13 Grimmauld Place from the Ministry. Maybe Wizard Apparation takes a tiny bit longer than House Elves, but I remember Dobby disappearing with a snap of his fingers. Unless we've been mislead by the movies, again.

I really liked the chapter about breaking in and out of Gringotts. It was just something that needed to be done. But I didn't like Harry only having the Sword of Gryffindor as his only long object. Why didn't he or even Hermione think to create a poll? Wizards are able to do that, right? The riding on the back of the tortured half-blind dragon to escape was pretty cool too.

From the point on starting from the Battle of Hogwarts, everything was just... I don't know how to describe it. I mean, it was good that the DA wanted to help, and the teachers and students banded together to make their final stand. It was just lame that Gryffindor had the biggest table in the Great Hall, once again showing that "Gryffindor is the best house and the rest of you suck."

So Voldemort's "army" came and blasted Hogwart's to smithereens. This battle was very lame. It was pretty much red and green lasers shooting around. To me it seemed as if this were the old Transformers cartoon or the old G.I. Joe, where everyone shoots lasers and no one gets hurt. That's what it felt like to me, because there weren't that many details of a WAR, and a handful of people died. Oh, and let's not forget that Ginny shot a well-aimed curse out the window. Where were the Inferi? What about dragons? The Dementors came in for ONE swoop and ran away after one attack of Patronuses. Right, so we're supposed to believe that Dementors under Voldemort's control won't come back after they wear off?

Congratulations, Crabbe, for destroying a part of your Dark Lord.

A wall was blown off, but not before Percy made a joke and made Fred laugh, but then Fred died... So who the hell was powerful enough to make an explosion that big? At first I thought it was Voldemort, but he was in the Shrieking Shack... Just, who? Who the hell had so much power to blow apart a whole wall of an enchanted castle called Hogwarts, and only cast the spell once? If I were a Death Eater that knew the spell, you can bet that I would abuse it as much as the Unforgivable Curses. Hell, if I could use Fiendfyre, I would use it on Hogwart's defenses and not care about the consequences. But then again, Harry Potter must not die etc... Except if that were entirely true, that exploding spell should never have happened, because it could have killed Harry. So let's just settle with setting off an uncontrollable fire that embodies ancient powerful creatures, shall we? I mean, the Carrows knew the spell and was able to teach it.

Everything from this point on was just too convenient. Too well placed. You mind as well think that Slughorn gave Felix Felicus to everyone in Hogwarts. Except Fred, Tonks, Lupin...

Snape dies. I knew he was good, and booyah to the disbelievers etc. He must have been trying to get back to Harry to tell him what needed to be done, but hey, Pensieve without a wand is just as good. His whole life flashed before his eyes, and Harry's too. Literally. I really enjoyed the Prince's Tale. But it also showed Snape trying to manipulate Lily into liking him.

Maybe I'm being a bit too harsh. The battle was kinda cool.

Harry walks in with his dead loved ones, and it was very sad. I nearly cried.

Then Voldemort looks at Harry like a curious child, with his head tilted. At this moment the Boy Who Lived is in his grasp, the one who had defeated him... But no, he's like AVADA KEDAVRA. The King's Cross was cool and unexpected. Harry was dead in a way but not mortally. He and Voldemort were sent to King's Cross, but I guess he couldn't hear Dumbledore. This was the "Ask Dumbledore" part of every book, and he answered Harry's questions the best he could. Important: Dumbledore doesn't know EVERYTHING, and he was just guessing about the wands because wands are a very ancient and unknown section of magic even though people know how to make them blah blah blah.

Harry wasn't completely uninjured. It was described as though someone had punched him with an iron gauntlet in the chest after he was hit with the Killing Curse. It was kinda funny imagining Voldemort passed out on the ground XD From the point that he had Harry laying at his feet, everything became even more convenient. Neville had managed to pull the Sword of Gryffindor out of a burning Sorting Hat stuck to his head, without even the Dark Lord noticing AND slicing off Nagini's head.

Wait a minute. Neville Longbottom, FASTER than Lord Voldemort, the most feared, powerful dark wizard? I call shenanigans, again. Then Harry conveniently disappears as Chaos erupts over the grounds, with Voldemort trying to kill people but he can't because Harry can block his attacks with simple Shield charms.

As powerful as Voldemort is, why could he only take on three people at a time? That is just lame. Especially after we're told that the Killing Curse is unblockable, and that Voldemort is fricken powerful. Oh, and not to mention that he's been throwing it around lately? It seems that it's the only attack he's even remotely capable of.

At this point I was very disappointed. I was expecting an epic, wizarding duel between the Boy-Who-Dogded-He-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named-Several-Times and the Dark Lord. But no, it was a courtroom battle. It mind as well have taken place IN a courtroom, because all they did at this point was yell OBJECTION~! a la Phoenix Wright Ace Attorney. It could be simplified like this:
Voldemort: I will end you, now that I have the Elder Wand grrrrr-
Harry: OBJECTION~!
Voldemort: OBJECTION~! I will deal with Draco later-
Harry: OBJECTION~! I AM THE REAL OWNER
*Voldemort backfires and kills himself*

One hit. Yep. Harry is an OTK.

No one will ever know what curse Molly Weasley used, because Bellatrix EXPLODED. Have fun showing that in the movie, especially after shouting *female dog*.

Sorry for the summary, I just had to weave my thoughts into it before moving onto these separate ideas:
Okay, we have a magical world. Why couldn't even Death himself make an appearance, if we have wraiths going around sucking out souls? I think it would have been AWESOME if Death appeared and sucked Voldemort into a void. Or something, that would have to do with Harry being the Master of Death.

Okay, so let me get this straight. The Ministry is literally upside down and under indirect control of MoM. Right? That means he has access to everything. Even... Time Turners, eh? Remember, the magical device used to travel through time in Prisoner of Azkaban? I. Cannot. Believe. That this was never used again, ESPECIALLY by the Dark Lord himself.

What ever happened to NAMES of spells? Isn't there supposed to be categories and specific hierarchies of spells? Like Rictus sempra and Sectum sempra. There are very rare and few actual [I]castings of spells.

Voldemort just sucks as a villain. If he truly hated Harry, he wouldn't have been so quick to "kill" him and just torture him for all the misery Voldemort has been through. And why can he, and all the other baddies, only manage to use Unforgiveable Curses? It's just... Lame. I'm pretty sure there are BETTER spells that can be used. For example, Fiendfyre. Or even the one that exploded AIR and broke a wall. A castle wall. A wall of Hogwarts, built by the four greatest wizards OF. ALL. TIME.

If Harry's scar is indeed a piece of Voldemort's shattered soul, why didn't it disappear? It IS a magical scar.

The Battle of Hogwarts could have been so, SO much better. It seems as though JK just wanted to get it over with. I mean, what happened spectacular duels like the ones in Order of the Phoenix? Every creature around Hogwarts just hopped right in, and there were even archers that came out of literally nowhere.

How can Harry be so stupid to not link Godric's Hollow as Godric Gryffindor's birthplace, AND put his team into mortal danger by breaking the Taboo, and somehow make these deductions about the Elder Wand or even anything at all about the Deathly Hallows? He's like OMG GAUNT'S RING IS THE RESURRECTION STONE.

But I really did laugh hard whenever Voldemort found one of his Horcruxes missing/destroyed. He was always RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH and it made Harry wince in pain XD

I also enjoyed Harry wandering into Voldemort's mind. It's always good to get a change of perspective.

[Junior]

lol, it took me a little over a month to finish the final book XD

Lol.

I was disappointed in the way the series has ended. Barring unfortunate deaths, injuries, and the infiltration of the MoM(Ministry of Magic), the first half is mostly situations that barely have any consequence, forcing you to think "Oh, that sucks."

That's how you mkae an ending interesting, by killing them in unfortunate events but it was sad seeing them all go. The last book should always be the most intense and JK Rowling sure did that.

No, the first half all leads to one thing in the book. It's not bad, it's actually quite good and interesting. Every book takes time to build up to the best bit. Everthing in the first book has a reason. I don't think it sucks, infact, it was a great part but the 2nd half was much better, so the book overall was great!

I don't think anyone else would think the 1st half is boring.

The whole time the main characters are wandering around in the wilderness, they never leave the UK, and they always went to some sort of village. It's 1999, haven't they ever heard of a grocery store? It also seems as if the Death Eaters only patrol the UK as well. It's as if Magical Entities and Beings are only allowed to come out of England, France, and whatever. Screw those other countries, duh.

Why should they leave England? There's no need to. -_-

Have you ever heard of fiction? They don't have to make everything reality. OMG! It's 1999. Why do they have magic wands? They aren't even invented. Why did cars fly in the 1990s? -_-

It's fiction! Don't take fiction (ontop of that, FANTASY) so technical.

Then we come to Winter/Christmas, and that was just a horrid scene in Godric's Hollow. I wonder how they'll show Nagini coming out of Bathilda Bagshot's neck in the movie? I'm also a bit disappointed that Harry could not detect Nagini!Bathilda speaking Parseltongue. Isn't it supposed to sound a little... Hissy? Snake-like? Or it could just be a movie invention, and that Parseltongue is really supposed to sound like normal human speech to Harry.

Yes, it's supposed to sound like human to Harry..

I cbb replying to the rest of your post. xP

[Masterdramon]

Okay, so let me get this straight. The Ministry is literally upside down and under indirect control of MoM. Right? That means he has access to everything. Even... Time Turners, eh? Remember, the magical device used to travel through time in Prisoner of Azkaban? I. Cannot. Believe. That this was never used again, ESPECIALLY by the Dark Lord himself.
The Trio tells Hagrid in HBP that the Battle at the Ministry in OotP destroyed all of the Ministry's Time-Turners. And they're probably not exactly easy to make.

[Omega Ridley]

Why should they leave England? There's no need to. -_-
Yes, they should, if they want to escape Death Eaters, Snatchers, etc.
Have you ever heard of fiction? They don't have to make everything reality. OMG! It's 1999. Why do they have magic wands? They aren't even invented. Why did cars fly in the 1990s? -_-

It's fiction! Don't take fiction (ontop of that, FANTASY) so technical.

But it DOES take place in the real world, or a universe very similar to ours, just with a few magical tweaks here and there. Fantasy worlds are governed by rules and technicalities so that there aren't any continuity issues.

[Junior]

Yes, they should, if they want to escape Death Eaters, Snatchers, etc.

That would make a great book eys? ZOMG! Liek dude bruh... we're being chased by dem nubs so we shud go to teh other side of teh worldzorz! *Goes to the other side of the world*

END.

Awesome! LOLOLOL!

But it DOES take place in the real world, or a universe very similar to ours, just with a few magical tweaks here and there. Fantasy worlds are governed by rules and technicalities so that there aren't any continuity issues.

It's fantasy, who cares? xP You're thinking WAY too much, seriously. Read and enjoy, no?

[~*Occulence*~]

Wow. I personally loved the book. Battle of Hogwarts might have been my favorite chapter. It wasn't the best battle ever written, but I liked how everyone banded together.

I do have some questions; (at least one for now)

Anyone else notice James Potter (harry's son, not dad), talking about Teddy Lupin snogging Victoire, their cousin.

Was that an old daughter of Ron and Hermione?

~*Occulence*~

[Masterdramon]

Wow. I personally loved the book. Battle of Hogwarts might have been my favorite chapter. It wasn't the best battle ever written, but I liked how everyone banded together.

I do have some questions; (at least one for now)

Anyone else notice James Potter (harry's son, not dad), talking about Teddy Lupin snogging Victoire, their cousin.

Was that an old daughter of Ron and Hermione?

~*Occulence*~

No. She's the first daughter of Bill and Fleur, making her cousin to both Ron's children and Ginny's children (hence, "our" cousin).

[~*Occulence*~]

No. She's the first daughter of Bill and Fleur, making her cousin to both Ron's children and Ginny's children (hence, "our" cousin).

Ah, ok.

Also, does anyone think Percy became headmaster, or at least someone important, because he was preaching the rules and stuff?

~*Occulence*~

[jwizzle5786]

Omega Ridley, I agree with everything you said, except I enjoyed the first half of the book.
I felt the ending very anti-climatic. The last few books have been hyping up this horrible war, only for it to be ended in one chapter? Like Omega ridley said, everything was to convienent.
Book: Harry, me and Ron got this out of the Cahmber of serects(Hermoine)
Me:WTF?
Also, the deaths were nothing to care about. Snape dying was to predictable, and also with him being good. And Fred, seriously was that really necessary? I didnt care.

I think the problem most of us have, is that this is a childrens book. The trio lived because little children would cry if their precious Harry Potter was killed.

One final thing, this book was easily predictable. Who thought that Dumbledore and Snape planned Dumbledores death? *Raises hand* Who thought that Harry would live? *Raises hand*

[yamiyugi227]

I like the book until chapter "King's Cross". It's getting boring then, no more actions expect Harry disputing with Voldemord ... And the end is bad, I hate happy endings ;)

MfG

[Kruxis]

I agree that Voldy went down too easy. Also, I so totally called Harry pulling a Matrix at the end. He dies, comes back to life with the ability to block everything that's thrown at him, Voldy gets mad, tries a last ditch attack, and HP kills him.

Also, does anyone know what that weird, mutilated kid/thing was in King's Cross? I kept thinking they would explain it, but nothing happened regarding it.

[Hollow Golem]

I agree that Voldy went down too easy. Also, I so totally called Harry pulling a Matrix at the end. He dies, comes back to life with the ability to block everything that's thrown at him, Voldy gets mad, tries a last ditch attack, and HP kills him.

Also, does anyone know what that weird, mutilated kid/thing was in King's Cross? I kept thinking they would explain it, but nothing happened regarding it.

It was Voldemort....

[Kruxis]

How so? Not that I dont believe you, I just couldn't figure it out.

[Hollow Golem]

How so? Not that I dont believe you, I just couldn't figure it out.

Let's see... they were both temporarily "dead' from the Avada Kedavra and Dumbledore said the thing was beyond helping. But that's not the main reason.

While in this limbo, everything was pure. Harry had no scar, and Dumbledore's hand was fine. Now, Harry told Voldemort, "I know what you be otherwise (Page 741)." Which, to me, is insinuating that what he saw in the limbo was Voldemort's pure form. Without all the rituals to bring him back to life, etc.

[Kruxis]

Ah, I must have missed the part where Voldy "died" as well. I thought he was just standing there in the forest the whole time

[Ilovecheese]

the thing in king's cross was a part of voldemort's soul.