Schnide
06-24-2007, 02:35 PM
(M) Ninjask@Salac Berry - Speed Boost
EVs: Def-204, Speed 52, SpDef-252
Jolly (Sp+, SpAtk-)
Baton Pass
Protect
Substitute
Swords Dance
Purely for bp-ing. Start with substitute, hoping for a status-inflicting attack. Swords Dance and then sub/protect for a few turns for the speed boost and then pass to...
(M) Marowak@Thick Club - Rock Head
EVs: HP-4, Atk-252, Spd-252
Jolly (Sp+, SpAtk-)
Bonemerang (for substitutes, should I just use Earthquake?)
Ancientpower (prefer the accuracy over Rock Slide)
Double-Edge (rock head)
Hidden Power - Flying (grass types, not sure if this is necessary)
the rest of the team is essentially a back-up plan if Ninjawak fails.
(M) Metagross@Lum Berry - Clear Body
EVs: HP-88, Atk-252, SpDef-136
Adamant (Atk+, SpAtk-)
Earthquake
Explosion
Light Screen
Meteor Mash
has done its job if it KO's one pokemon and explodes on another
(F) Exeggutor@Leftovers - Chlorophyll
EVs: HP-252, SpAtk-4, SpDef-252
Modest (Atk-, SpAtk+)
Sunny Day
Solar Beam
Hidden Power - Fire (sunny day)
Psychic (surprise move, for those not expecting this with the rest of the moveset dedicated to sunlight-powered moves)
Special sweeper. Sunny Day for solar beam, HP-fire, AND the speed boost from chlorophyll.
(F) Blissey@Leftovers - Natural Cure
EVs: HP-212, Def-252, SpAtk-40, SpDef-4
Bold (Atk-, Def+)
Aromatherapy
Calm Mind
Ice Beam
Softboiled
quite a formidable tank, a couple calm minds and this thing is scary.
(F) Milotic@Leftovers - Marvel Scale
EVs: HP-104, Def-104, SpAtk-140, SpDef-160
Modest (Atk-, SpAtk+)
Ice Beam
Recover
Refresh
Surf
another walling pokemon
I feel I have some sort of type-matching deficiency on this team but I'm not sure what it is and I may need haze/roar/whirlwind.
I'm thinking of replacing Milotic with Suicune:
(M) Suicune@Leftovers - Pressure
EVs:???
Bold (Atk-, Def+)
Surf
Calm Mind
Roar
Rest
...which would solve my haze problem
Ninjask could also pass its speed boosts to another pokemon if beneficial
Any help is appreciated, go ahead and change anything you'd like including Ninjawak if you must.
$$BlkVietMan$$
07-03-2007, 07:20 PM
can blissey use calm mind????
reapsoul964
07-04-2007, 03:13 PM
(M) Ninjask@Salac Berry - Speed Boost
EVs: Def-204, Speed 52, SpDef-252
Jolly (Sp+, SpAtk-)
Baton Pass
Protect
Substitute
Swords Dance
Purely for bp-ing. Start with substitute, hoping for a status-inflicting attack. Swords Dance and then sub/protect for a few turns for the speed boost and then pass to...
(M) Marowak@Thick Club - Rock Head
EVs: HP-4, Atk-252, Spd-252
Jolly (Sp+, SpAtk-)
Bonemerang (for substitutes, should I just use Earthquake?)
Ancientpower (prefer the accuracy over Rock Slide)
Double-Edge (rock head)
Hidden Power - Flying (grass types, not sure if this is necessary)
the rest of the team is essentially a back-up plan if Ninjawak fails.
(M) Metagross@Lum Berry - Clear Body
EVs: HP-88, Atk-252, SpDef-136
Adamant (Atk+, SpAtk-)
Earthquake
Explosion
Light Screen
Meteor Mash
has done its job if it KO's one pokemon and explodes on another
(F) Exeggutor@Leftovers - Chlorophyll
EVs: HP-252, SpAtk-4, SpDef-252
Modest (Atk-, SpAtk+)
Sunny Day
Solar Beam
Hidden Power - Fire (sunny day)
Psychic (surprise move, for those not expecting this with the rest of the moveset dedicated to sunlight-powered moves)
Special sweeper. Sunny Day for solar beam, HP-fire, AND the speed boost from chlorophyll.
(F) Blissey@Leftovers - Natural Cure
EVs: HP-212, Def-252, SpAtk-40, SpDef-4
Bold (Atk-, Def+)
Aromatherapy
Calm Mind
Ice Beam
Softboiled
quite a formidable tank, a couple calm minds and this thing is scary.
(F) Milotic@Leftovers - Marvel Scale
EVs: HP-104, Def-104, SpAtk-140, SpDef-160
Modest (Atk-, SpAtk+)
Ice Beam
Recover
Refresh
Surf
another walling pokemon
I feel I have some sort of type-matching deficiency on this team but I'm not sure what it is and I may need haze/roar/whirlwind.
I'm thinking of replacing Milotic with Suicune:
(M) Suicune@Leftovers - Pressure
EVs:???
Bold (Atk-, Def+)
Surf
Calm Mind
Roar
Rest
...which would solve my haze problem
Ninjask could also pass its speed boosts to another pokemon if beneficial
Any help is appreciated, go ahead and change anything you'd like including Ninjawak if you must.
I prefer just using Marowak without the speed boosts. Also, it doesn't need that much speed, and if you're going with a neutral attack nature, then you need HP: Ghost. Double-Edge will do enough to grass types(breakdown-DE is base 120, HP: Flying is base 70, 140 after SE damage-it's 20 less), so get out HP: Ghost or HP: Bug. I'd go Ghost. As for the speed, I'd go with 200 speed. Better yet, go 160 speed, and make sure you have 3 speed boosts, and you'll have 400 speed then. Add a Liechi to the Ninjask for even more damage with Marowak.
As for the physical wall...
Suicune is better unless you want a Resttalking Milotic. I personally use Suicune.
Suicune @ Leftovers
Trait: Pressure
EVs: 252 HP / (325) Def / (250) SAtk
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Surf/Ice Beam
- Roar
- Calm Mind
- Rest
If you go with a RSTalker Milotic...
Milotic (F) @ Leftovers
Trait: Marvel Scale
EVs: 100 HP / 100 Def / 56 SAtk / 252 SDef
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Hidden Power [Electric]
- Ice Beam
- Sleep Talk
- Rest
You might have to move a FEW EVs around, but the basic here is max SDef, 240 Def, 250 SAtk, rest in HP. While resting, your defense will be 360. IF you want to max it out(and take out all the SDef EVs and give it some more SAtk, like max def, 275 SAtk, rest in HP), then you should have over 400 defense while resting. As for the attacks, you could use HP: Fire, HP: Grass, HP: Psychic, HP: Dark(Psychic and Dark would be both for Gengar and Dusclops, although Surf will do pretty much the same), Surf, Ice Beam, whatever. I just like boltbeaming, and the closest thing to boltbeaming that Milotic can do is HP: Electric/Ice Beam. You could go with the standard surf/ice beam though. I just believe that BoltBeam covers more options.
Blissey(sorry I'm going out of order)-take off the SDef EVs(I know, it's 4) and put them in HP. You never know when that one extra hit point could save your pokemon, and Blissey has uber special defense anyways. I like to have 200 special attack on Blisseys I make. I don't use Blissey, but I like to have 200, 250, 300, 350, 400... y'know, stuff in 50 increments, sometimes in 25. You might consider HP: Grass, as you don't have a real counter for Swampert. Blissey should never be used as a Swampert counter, but if you have a few calm minds up, maybe it'll do enough. I'd say stick with the beam though. Maybe even Psychic, or HP: Dark. HP: Dark is super effective against Ghosts, neutral against Metagross(though if you leave a Blissey in against a Metagross, I don't know what to say... that's kinda dumb), takes out psychics easy... you never know when that Focus Punch Alakazam could come along(you won't want to run into it-it isn't strong, but still... ANYTHING can be turned into a Blissey counter, if you know the game enough)...
Exeggy-I really like Sleep Powder, if you could find something to replace. Also, make sure you have 198 speed at least. I wouldn't suggest more than 201 speed, but 198 is the minimum. HP: Fire and Solarbeam should hit just about everything besides Gengar, so... Psychic would work there... otherwise, just try to put it to sleep with the powder.
Jaskeh-eh, you've got quite the odd moveset. I'd suggest having 401 speed overall, if you don't have that. I like the moveset idea though... but Jaskeh needs an attack. I do really like the defense idea though... let Jask stay in a bit longer so you can actually DO a Swords Dance... so... bravo.
Metagross-hum... I'd go 200 speed(not EVs), max attack, rest in HP... I'd give it a Choice Band and go EQ/Sludge Bomb/MM/Rock Slide. With a Liechi boost, Swords Dance, and 2 speed boosts from Ninjask, CBGross will be nearly unstoppable. Alternatively, you could use Lefties or your Lum. I like your current idea, but you don't need that many SDef EVs if you have Light Screen. Put some stuff in Defense or HP.
By the way, Roarcune walks all over this team, even WITH Blissey. Nice team overall, just be careful of those roarers-I've even seen RoarMences and RoarZapdoses(I think I've seen that... if it can learn it)... anything these days could have Roar-people are FINALLY getting smart and not using standards. Just be careful, and don't EVER trust your walls to do what they're meant to do. There's always a way that those walls could fail, easily. Watch your back, use Taunt against roarers, and you'll do fine.
Additional Comment:
can blissey use calm mind????
Yes. Blissey can use Calm Mind.
$$BlkVietMan$$
07-08-2007, 10:10 AM
(M) Ninjask@Salac Berry - Speed Boost
EVs: Def-204, Speed 52, SpDef-252
Jolly (Sp+, SpAtk-)
Baton Pass
Protect
Substitute
Swords Dance
Purely for bp-ing. Start with substitute, hoping for a status-inflicting attack. Swords Dance and then sub/protect for a few turns for the speed boost and then pass to...
(M) Marowak@Thick Club - Rock Head
EVs: HP-4, Atk-252, Spd-252
Jolly (Sp+, SpAtk-)
Earthquake
Ancientpower (prefer the accuracy over Rock Slide)
Double-Edge (rock head)
Hidden Power - Flying (grass types, not sure if this is necessary)
the rest of the team is essentially a back-up plan if Ninjawak fails.
(M) Metagross@Lum Berry - Clear Body
EVs: HP-88, Atk-252, SpDef-136
Adamant (Atk+, SpAtk-)
Earthquake
Explosion
Light Screen
Meteor Mash
has done its job if it KO's one pokemon and explodes on another
(F) Exeggutor@Leftovers - Chlorophyll
EVs: HP-252, SpAtk-4, SpDef-252
Modest (Atk-, SpAtk+)
Sunny Day
Solar Beam
Hidden Power - Fire (sunny day)
Psychic (surprise move, for those not expecting this with the rest of the moveset dedicated to sunlight-powered moves)
Special sweeper. Sunny Day for solar beam, HP-fire, AND the speed boost from chlorophyll.
(F) Blissey@Leftovers - Natural Cure
EVs: HP-212, Def-252, SpAtk-40, SpDef-4
Bold (Atk-, Def+)
Aromatherapy
Calm Mind
Ice Beam
Softboiled
quite a formidable tank, a couple calm minds and this thing is scary.
(F) Milotic@Leftovers - Marvel Scale
EVs: HP-104, Def-104, SpAtk-140, SpDef-160
Modest (Atk-, SpAtk+)
Ice Beam
Recover
toxic
Surf
another walling pokemon
I feel I have some sort of type-matching deficiency on this team but I'm not sure what it is and I may need haze/roar/whirlwind.
I'm thinking of replacing Milotic with Suicune:
(M) Suicune@Leftovers - Pressure
EVs:252 Spatk somedef n spdef n spd
Bold (Atk-, Def+)
Surf
Calm Mind
Roar
Rest
...which would solve my haze problem
Ninjask could also pass its speed boosts to another pokemon if beneficial
Any help is appreciated, go ahead and change anything you'd like including Ninjawak if you must.
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