Team Fierce

[Reaper_Reborn]

Togekiss
Timid@choice Scarf
[252 speed][252 sp. attack]
Air Slash(60%flinch)
Wish
Aura Sphere
Flame Thrower(20%burn)

Dragonite
Lonely(can't get adamant)@Leftovers
[252attack][252speed]
Thunderpuch
Aqua Tail
Dragon Dance
Dragon Claw

Starmie
Modest@choice Specs
[252sp. attack][252 speed]
Thunderbolt
Psychic
Ice Beam
Surf

Porygon-Z
Modest@Wise Glasses
[252sp attack][252 speed]
Shadow Ball
Ice Beam
????(currently tri attack but it is not super effective against anything)
????(currently thunderbolt but already have 2 other pokes with thunder attacks)

Metagross
Adamant@Leftovers
[252attack][252 speed]
Agility
Meteor Mash
Earthquake
Explosion

Azelf
Timid@choice specs.
[252 sp. attack][252 speed]
Flamethrower
Psychic
Nasty Plot
Grass Knot

and then I have these two that I occasionally switch in.

Gardevoir
Modest@choice scarf
[252 sp. attack][252 speed]
Thunderbolt
Energy ball
Psychic
Focus Blast

Heatran
Mild@choice Scarf
[252 sp. attack][252 speed]
Earth Power
Flamethrower
Dragon Pulse
Dark Pulse

[Absol]

Dragonite wants Outrage and Leftovers

Starmie wants less Speed EVs and more HP EVs since it's running choice scarf

Porygon Z wants Adaptive+Tri-Attack and Nasty Plot, with Salac Berry or something

Metagross wants Liechi Berry or Leftovers over Choice Scarf

Azelf wants something other than Choice Specs. maybe Salac Berry, maybe Petaya Berry, maybe Leftovers?

Dude, Choice items don't work well with Agility/Dragon Dance... I'm gonna bet you've never actually used this team huh?

[Near]

Pretty bad team. Kinda obvious you didn't exactly come up with it but rather made modifications to the worst.
[Hehe.. Togekiss]

Togekiss - Wish on choice item. Smarto.
Grass Rope there.

I frankly would skip Choice without tri attack.
Not to mention Timid makes him real weak.

DD Dragonite with Choice Item. Haha.

Waterfall
Earthquake
Dragon Claw
Thunderpunch/Whatever

Starmie - Sucks completely. Choice Scarf. Yeah. Right.
CHOICE SPECS, and probably Grass Rope over Bolt.

Choice Scarf on Z is pretty meh.

Tri Attack is a must. Download is meh.

Ditch ball for Boltbeam.

Metagross is another heavy Lol.
Agility and CScarf.
Yeah.

Funny how two week after I use Heatran, two people have already trained one and another two plan to.


You're overrating Scarf because you got your ass served by it [probably]

Too many choice items, and since most of the stuff there can't actually TAKE many hits, you'll need to make a ton of sacrifices and get walled all the time.

[Reaper_Reborn]

Pretty bad team. Kinda obvious you didn't exactly come up with it but rather made modifications to the worst.
[Hehe.. Togekiss]

Togekiss - Wish on choice item. Smarto.
Grass Rope there.

I frankly would skip Choice without tri attack.
Not to mention Timid makes him real weak.

DD Dragonite with Choice Item. Haha.

Waterfall
Earthquake
Dragon Claw
Thunderpunch/Whatever

Starmie - Sucks completely. Choice Scarf. Yeah. Right.
CHOICE SPECS, and probably Grass Rope over Bolt.

Choice Scarf on Z is pretty meh.

Tri Attack is a must. Download is meh.

Ditch ball for Boltbeam.

Metagross is another heavy Lol.
Agility and CScarf.
Yeah.

Funny how two week after I use Heatran, two people have already trained one and another two plan to.


You're overrating Scarf because you got your ass served by it [probably]

Too many choice items, and since most of the stuff there can't actually TAKE many hits, you'll need to make a ton of sacrifices and get walled all the time.

well I actually did get the togetic idea after your Jirachi but not Togetic(only took one time for me to reognize how awesome grace was)

and yeah I don't quite understand choice scarf(explanation please) but I know that if everyone keeps outspeeding me because of it and most of my people rely on speed then they need the choice scarf. Obviously this has some flaws though.
and I am pretty sure that like Azelf everyone is going to have a heatran in stock because well he is awesome.

[Near]

well I actually did get the togetic idea after your Jirachi but not Togetic(only took one time for me to reognize how awesome grace was)

and yeah I don't quite understand choice scarf(explanation please) but I know that if everyone keeps outspeeding me because of it and most of my people rely on speed then they need the choice scarf. Obviously this has some flaws though.
and I am pretty sure that like Azelf everyone is going to have a heatran in stock because well he is awesome.
Choice Scarf simply boosts the speed by 1.5
My Heracross has ~380 speed with it, so not outspeeding it is of no surprise.

Huh.. yeah. But some are FIT to use it, some are not.

[Xing*]

Sorry, Overload, but I had to LOL when I saw Choice Scarf on Wishkiss, Agilgross, and NastyPlotAzlef.

[Reaper_Reborn]

Sorry, Overload, but I had to LOL when I saw Choice Scarf on Wishkiss, Agilgross, and NastyPlotAzlef.

ok yeah now I have replaced most of the items(but azelf had choice specs not scarf I wasn't gonna be that off base). Now I still don't get why it doesn't work on togekiss because since I am relying on it to get the opponent to flinch it needs to go first so I left it with the scarf.

[Reaper of Despair]

ok yeah now I have replaced most of the items(but azelf had choice specs not scarf I wasn't gonna be that off base). Now I still don't get why it doesn't work on togekiss because since I am relying on it to get the opponent to flinch it needs to go first so I left it with the scarf.

What everyone is saying is that Choice items are only good on Pokemon that have an all offensive moveset. If your Togekiss gets pwned, and you need to heal up with Wish, you can't because Scarf has restricted you to only using that one move.

The same thing with your stat boosting Pokemon. If you use Agility/DD, that's the move that you'll be slaved to. What good is god-like speed and attack if you can't even perform a single offensive move?

[Reaper_Reborn]

What everyone is saying is that Choice items are only good on Pokemon that have an all offensive moveset. If your Togekiss gets pwned, and you need to heal up with Wish, you can't because Scarf has restricted you to only using that one move.

The same thing with your stat boosting Pokemon. If you use Agility/DD, that's the move that you'll be slaved to. What good is god-like speed and attack if you can't even perform a single offensive move?

ok yeah thank you someone finally answered the question in full!!!!!! when I asked what it does all I was told was that it increased speed to 150% which made me think it was the most awesome item ever. Now I get why it is bad because of the whole one attack thing(this was to be my future team and I actually just got my first choice scarf).
now mocking the wishkiss , DDdragonite, and agilegross makes more sense.
changes will be made and I am actually going to be switching some of the pokes out altogether.

Additional Comment:

I have like 10x quickpowder is that anygood?

[Near]

If you can't figure out why being able to use only Agility is bad then even copying teams is above your level..

Go for either my Togekiss [Your inspiration? Eh] or choice scarf set,
which I doubt you could pull off seeing as Tri Attack is an XD move.

[Reaper_Reborn]

If you can't figure out why being able to use only Agility is bad then even copying teams is above your level..

Go for either my Togekiss [Your inspiration? Eh] or choice scarf set,
which I doubt you could pull off seeing as Tri Attack is an XD move.

no I said that it makes sense now that I know it makes me only be able to use one move.

Already said I actually got inspired long before I saw your togekiss(it was your Jirachi).

I don't even understand what you said about Tri Attack but that is no surprise by this point.

[Near]

no I said that it makes sense now that I know it makes me only be able to use one move.

Already said I actually got inspired long before I saw your togekiss(it was your Jirachi).

I don't even understand what you said about Tri Attack but that is no surprise by this point.

Jirachi's not too much of a flinchax.

And Tri Attack, an essential move for CScarfKiss, is an XD exclusive move.

[Reaper_Reborn]

Jirachi's not too much of a flinchax.

And Tri Attack, an essential move for CScarfKiss, is an XD exclusive move.

no you still don't get it. after I saw jirachi you mentioned serene grace. I checked it out and saw that the only other ones that can get it are blissy and togekiss. I kinda hate blissy so I decided I would get a togekiss.

ok and when I change it will it still need tri attack? and if so you are gonna need to explain why, and since I am guessing your explanation will be this
XD
I have no idea what that is.

[Near]

no you still don't get it. after I saw jirachi you mentioned serene grace. I checked it out and saw that the only other ones that can get it are blissy and togekiss. I kinda hate blissy so I decided I would get a togekiss.

ok and when I change it will it still need tri attack? and if so you are gonna need to explain why, and since I am guessing your explanation will be this
XD
I have no idea what that is.

If you go for my Kissu, which is Thunderwave version [30% to be paralyzed, 60% to be flinched.. is nice] then no need for Tri Attack.

If you go CScarfKissu then yes.

XD is a Pokemon game where some Pokemons get moves they can't get anywhere else - Heal Bell Lapras, Tri Attack Kissu, etc