[RMT] Let's See How I Fare

[Kirean616]

Most likely only to be used against friends, but if I ever feel the need to play others...then here. Needs serious work IMO.

Made to be pretty defensive; save Heracross.


Swampert@Leftovers
Relaxed
240 Hp 44 Atk 216 Def 208 Sp. Atk
Avalanche
Earthquake
Hydro Pump
Stealth Rock

Pretty good lead. Starts off with stealth rocking the other side. EQ takes care of early T-Tar switch ins (but really, nobody does that save the people I play) and Avalance can help against Garchomp or physical Salamence. Surf takes care of Rhyperior. Takes advantage of the x3 fire weaks in the team to switch back in.

Porygon2@Leftovers
Bold
200 HP 164 Def 146 Sp.Atk
Thunder Bolt
Ice Beam
Thunder-Wave
Recover

Bulky porygon that acts as a Gyrados/Garchomp counter all in one, effective bundle. T-Wave has synergy with Jirachi, who can act like a psuedo Togekiss.

Jirachi@Leftovers
Impish
200HP 96 ATK 136 Def 76 Sp. Def
Light Screen
Wish
U-Turn
Zen Headbutt

Originally I had reflect but used Light Screen over reflect since this team has huge AG Salamence weaks. Still kind of want reflect in here, but eh. U-Turn is an awesome move name. I'm nicknaming this Ferrari =] (stole the moveset off of people from Smogon; with Light Screen over reflect. No idea who created it, but saw a ton of people with it.)

Starmie@Leftovers
Timid
176 HP 200 SPD 128 Sp.Atk
Ice Beam
Thunder Bolt
Surf
Recover

My infernape counter, which would otherwise kill this team. Also survives random things from DDGyra. Considering Rapid Spin over Ice Beam. The x3 Fire weaks on this team allow this thing to come in if I predict correctly.

Heracross@Choice Scarf
Adamant
130 Hp 252 Atk 52 Spd 76 Sp. Def
Close Combat
Megahorn
Pursuit
Earthquake

EDIT: Put in earthquake to better handle Infernape. However, I'll need a good counter to Salamence. I can replace Pursuit, but I'll then be lacking a solid Gengar counter. EVs are just utter crap that I just typed up.

Torterra@Lefties
Impish
252 HP 52 ATK 200 Def
Earthquake
Leech Seed
Stone Edge
Wood Hammer

My 2nd favorite poke =]. Works well with Swampert's stealth rock, seeing that the most common rapid spinners have a Grass weak and can psuedo-psuedo pass with Leech Seed. I may replace Leech Seed and Stone Edge with Sleep Talk and Rest for more durability.

Overall, this team has a MAJOR weak against Choice Glasses Salamence and Azelfs of any kind. It can, however, take down Gyrados and Garchomp fairly well with Starmie and Porygon2. Heracross also utterly kills this team =/. I may consider Gliscor to counter Heracross.

[Chaostamer]

Props for the almighty Torterra. Evolve Porygon2 or die.

[Kirean616]

Yesh, Torterra is awesome.

I'm not going to evolve Porygon2 when PorygonZ is not superior to it with the way I use it. If I do evolve it, I'd get screwed over by Garchomps and Gyradoses after my Starmie falls. In addition, PorygonZ just isn't meant to be on this team with no T-Wave support.

Porygon2>PorygonZ Tanking-wise. Which is how I'm using it.

[Chaostamer]

Oh...I won't kill you, then :D

[danielmer]

you need a rock attack with torterra to defend against ice pokemon

[Absol]

daniel, if he doesn't just switch Torterra out, he will probably just use one of his stab attacks, as they do decent damage. plus half of the ice pokemon are part-water/ground and therefore weak to Wood Hammer. Though I might change Roar to something else, since it and Leech Seed sort of clash.

You might want a rock move for a flying type, as they resist both EQ and Wood Hammer.

[Chaostamer]

Torterra@Leftovers
252 SpDef (or HP)/252 Atk/4 HP (or SpDef)
-Curse
-Leech Seed
-Wood Hammer/Seed Bomb
-Earthquake

Curse up and sweep. SpDef EVs are to survive an Ice Attack (hopefully). Leech Seed for annoyance and healing.

[Kirean616]

@danielmer: Actually if I'd consider Stone Edge, it'd be for Salamence

@Absol: If an ice type does come in, I'm switching out. There is no way that Torterra is fast enough to OHKO. Leech Seed+Roar is very iffy. But if I can predict (*cough*) I can predict a switch for double spikes damage. Very situational however. I just really needed a phazer x]. Maybe put reflect in place of roar?

@Chaostamer: Torterra just plain and simple cannot stand up to special not named powder snow (and even then, it takes a HUGE amount of damage. OHKO if it has stab). I'm not interested in using curse. Torterra will be more along the lines of a CBer with Leech Seed =/. It'll be switching back and forth, utilizing ground/rock moves to get in. An icer coming in after a curse just makes me sad ='(. The fact that ANY pokemon with a special ice move can come in and scare away the turtle or OHKO it just makes it not worth it. (Which is why I highly suggest against it in Dragonrider's thread).

Thanks guys for the fixes =]

[Near]

I'd rather take Protect over Surf for Swampert,
for grass rope scouting.

Otherwise, hydro pump is better in that case.

Recovering Starmie has never worked for me.
I'd also rather put grass rope and go Choice Glasses.

Torterra:
Leech seed an Roar won't quite work together.
I'd rather put a Stone Edge there but that's just me.

Good luck not getting ***** by Infernape;
3 get his flamethrower, one gets a Grass Rope, and another gets Close Combat.
You're left with.. Starmie. So once they take it out, major ****** time.

[Kirean616]

Really, I don't think Infernape is the biggest problem on this team because I have NO hera counter at all. However, I will probably put Earthquake on Heracross to ease the pressure on Starmie. AS Heracross outspeeds Infernape unless it has AS itself and will usually OHKO a Max Hp/Min Def Infernape unless I did my calculations wrong.

Or I could replace Porygon2 with Mesprit.

Mesprit@Leftovers
Bold
Thunderbolt
Ice Beam
Psychic
T-Wave/Somersault/Reflect

Pity it has no recovery. =/ And it will be hard to get one with good IVs. -.- *sigh*


I kind of want to fit an CG Salamence in here somewhere >.>...

Thanks a lot Near =].

[flopolopagus bunny]

Yesh, Torterra is awesome.

I'm not going to evolve Porygon2 when PorygonZ is not superior to it with the way I use it. If I do evolve it, I'd get screwed over by Garchomps and Gyradoses after my Starmie falls. In addition, PorygonZ just isn't meant to be on this team with no T-Wave support.

Porygon2>PorygonZ Tanking-wise. Which is how I'm using it.

well if you teach it t wave then evo it then you have it.

[Kirean616]

well if you teach it t wave then evo it then you have it.

Well, yes, but PorygonZ loses 20 base Def that just really hurt. T-Wave support kind of means that they should be on other pokes so PorygonZ can just come in late game, set up a Scheme and fire away with Super STABed Tri-Attack.