undead support

[Nightfreeze]

the haunted mills and a new plege are two new quest that I think can be really good. I want everyones thoughts on these 2

[spoonman]

A new plague is good in a Sylvanus combo deck, since your Undead guy doesn't die.
Haunted Mills conflicts with other Undead stuff eg Cannibalize and Dramla Lifebender. But it's still not a bad draw engine.
They have their places. Other racial support is way better though.

[Sovelin]

The haunted mills will net you a total of 8 draws, the same as counterattack. If you are running a Sylvanas deck, though, you'll prob never pull of counterattack. Haunted mills works against Dramla, like Spoonman said, but you can still Cannibalize on your opponent's allies.

[Kenjiblade]

I think you might wanna work on your math for "The Haunted Mills". ;)

1st "The Haunted Mills" = draw 1 card.
2nd "The Haunted Mills" = draw 2 cards.
3rd "The Haunted Mills" = draw 3 cards.
4th "The Haunted Mills" = draw 4 cards.

So, you'll get a total of 10 cards, if you happen to get lucky enough to complete 4 "The Haunted Mills" during the course of a single game.

[Sovelin]

My mistake. So Mills > Counterattack by the third quest. (7 to 6). Removing allies kinda sucks, but really, you'd be removing a total of only 4, if u pull off all 4 quests.

[spoonman]

hmm the more you think about it the better the Haunted Mills seems. Removing 4 allies to draw 10 cards...I'm willing to give up 8 extra health from Cannibalize to do that.
I still think it kinda sucks that all the Undead stuff conflicts. Draenei got insane rush/swarm stuff (Kalai the Uplifting, Heroic Presence, and to a lesser extent Innoculation) but they don't have an ideal hero for that kind of deck.

[FacelessTyrant]

Why don't people just play control oriented decks with the new plague and boneshanks on the field. You destroy 2 of their allies and you get to draw a card. To me that is more powerful then removing an ally from the game just to draw a card with no other benefit. Counterattack is superior in my opinion

[Sovelin]

Counterattack nets you less cards overall (by the third one), and it requires your opponent to run more allies then you. If you run into a solo deck, you have 4 dead quests in your deck.

[spoonman]

I think we can all agree that Undead got some seriously good support...a lot better than say Night Elves. Cannibalize is broken, Haunted Mills is major card draw and A New Plague is good combo.
Haunted Mills beats Counterattack in longer games and against solos.
Does anyone else think that Scourge Cauldrons would be cool in an Undead deck?

[FacelessTyrant]

no because you could reveal a win condition and when it gets put to the bottom, horde has no way to tutor for it

[Yami_Shaman]

I run Morganis. Cannibalize is crazy good, especially since I can recycle the card with Touch of Chaos, and the heal is needed for a hero with 25 health.

Haunted Mills is also sweet. I never have an empty hand, let alone a hand with less than 4 cards with it. I deck out or get close to it every time, so I shoved in 2 Poison Water and its more consistent. Either way is crazy good.

A New Plague is ok, but the fact that they choose their ally unlike Sever the Cord makes it weak. That and the fact that Solo decks seem to be doing slightly better. No more than 2-3 copies needed. Dramla is ok, but it messes with the other support, except Mills which barely effects it.

Now I consider the Undead support pretty sweet. Blood Elf and Tauren come close, and Gnome is almost there, but the amazingness of Haunted Mills and Cannibalize are crazy.

[Warchief Thrall]

Haunted Mills is almost broken, Cannabilize sure is broken.
I run them both in my Pagatha deck and they own.

Counterattack is also a good quest, better then the Mills overall, since it can be used in more decks then the Mills, but in a undead deck I prefer the Mills everytime.

[turkeyspit]

Haunted Mills is almost broken, Cannabilize sure is broken.
I run them both in my Pagatha deck and they own.

Counterattack is also a good quest, better then the Mills overall, since it can be used in more decks then the Mills, but in a undead deck I prefer the Mills everytime.

I wouldn't say that Haunted Mills is broken, simply because you sort of need to draw into the 3rd and 4th one to make the most of them. Since they also conflict with Cannibalize, you have to be careful in how you use them.

Cannibalize has to be the most broken card in this game; it makes Perditions Blade look Janky. I myself lost two matches to End of Match Procedure, simply because my opponent ripped the Cannibalize they had been holding onto. If any card in the game needs errata, it's this one.

I really like A New Plague, especially if you combine it with Spirit Healer or Sylvanus. It can also rid you of an especially annoying Protector (Sarmoth) and then set you up for a Cannibalize.

Counterattack is the perfect anti-Smurf card, no doubt about it. I wouldn't maindeck it though.

[Golgo]

The thing is: when will it happen that you can draw more than 2 Haunted Mills during a single game. As for New Plague, its really good as you can always draw a card with it and if you get Sylvanas, it a +2, just as good as a Counterattack or your secons Haunted Mills.

[Warchief Thrall]

The thing is: when will it happen that you can draw more than 2 Haunted Mills during a single game. As for New Plague, its really good as you can always draw a card with it and if you get Sylvanas, it a +2, just as good as a Counterattack or your secons Haunted Mills.

How many competitive decks will use Sylvanas, I don't.
In a Spirit Healer deck, you have enough options to destroy allies, without destroying one of your own (Lokholar,Infernal,Rain of Fire etc.)

If a Spirit Healer deck runs well, you'll probably will have more allies out then your opponent, so that doesn't help Counterattack, but it is better then a new plague in a bad situation (cheaper and twice as much cards)

[Thbrin]

What is End of Match Procedure?