Diamond or Pearl?

[Chaostamer]

There's probably millions of the same thread, but I wanted to ask myself. Is there any recommendation for the Version I should buy (i.e. Which Legendary is better, does either version have a particularly good Version-specific). Also, though I'm leaning towards Turtwig, what are the advantages to the starters. Finally, what's all the hype about Lucario? Is he that good, or is he the next Pikachu?

Additional Comment:

Also, is Arceus available Ingame? Or do you need to do a ridiculous Nintendo-sponsored event?

[Elly]

There's probably millions of the same thread, but I wanted to ask myself. Is there any recommendation for the Version I should buy (i.e. Which Legendary is better, does either version have a particularly good Version-specific). Also, though I'm leaning towards Turtwig, what are the advantages to the starters. Finally, what's all the hype about Lucario? Is he that good, or is he the next Pikachu?

Additional Comment:

Also, is Arceus available Ingame? Or do you need to do a ridiculous Nintendo-sponsored event?

It's really preference, since you can easily get the other version exclusives on wifi. http://www.serebii.net/diamondpearl/exclusives.shtml Just find the version that has the most Pokemon you like.

Turtwig is fine for ingmae purposes, along with Empoleon. Infernape is the proper choice for Wifi and competitive battling.

Lucario is pretty much just hype.

Arceus is a Nintendo Event Pokemon

[Near]

So you KNOW it has been asked a bunch and STILL decide to open a thread?
Wow. Just wow.

Check out the exclusives on Serebii.
We don't care about the Legendaries cause they're Ubers.
Otherwise, Parukia's rarer and better.

We have a HUGE [And by huge I really mean it] discussing the starters.

Lucario had a movie that got all the kids off-guard and started uncontrollable drooling around the world.

He's a pretty solid one, but not above BL, that's for sure.

Aruseus is available in-game. The item to get him is not :)

[WildAce]

Lucario indeed has potential, but not as much as the hype would suggest. The thing about him is that he is unprecitable initially since he can sport Physical or Special attacks, thus not allowing the opponent to switch properly. The downside to him is that he can not effectively use BOTH types of attacks at the same time.

Elly and Near answered the other questions.

[Chaostamer]

Okay, thanks. I guess I should be thinking about WiFi, but right now I'm only concerned with Ingame, which means I'm a bit more relaxed toward ubers (though I tend to avoid them). I usually pick the "Blue" version (Blue/Silver/Sapphire), so I may continue the trend. Thanks for the help.

[obelisk_incarnate]

Go to the "What Starter Pokemon Would You Get" post on my posts. It's HUGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!



P.S. Don't read this until you've looked at it. Will you Co-Op with me.

Additional Comment:

So you KNOW it has been asked a bunch and STILL decide to open a thread?
Wow. Just wow.


Near, one thing I find in some of your posts is a suggestive feeling on your behalf of superiority. Here's some advice. DON'T

[Near]

Go to the "What Starter Pokemon Would You Get" post on my posts. It's HUGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!



P.S. Don't read this until you've looked at it. Will you Co-Op with me.

Additional Comment:



Near, one thing I find in some of your posts is a suggestive feeling on your behalf of superiority. Here's some advice. DON'T
That is EXACTLY the feeling I want you to feel.

How does it make me superior if I tell him it's pretty stupid to know you're breaking the rules yet break them anyways?
I love when people just throw random comments at me.

[Dragon Rider16]

That is EXACTLY the feeling I want you to feel.

How does it make me superior if I tell him it's pretty stupid to know you're breaking the rules yet break them anyways?
I love when people just throw random comments at me.

Nothing big, but you're a little harsh on people. Lighten up it's just a game...Some guys have stupid questions, just ignore them or help them. We we all like that at 1 point in life.

P.S. Chaostamer, go with the steel/dragon legendary pokemon. It shows a bit of resistance to just about every attack attribute. We already experienced water/dragon hybrids-Kingdra and it wasn't amazing, but hey, whatever you want, go for it

[WildAce]

Nothing big, but you're a little harsh on people. Lighten up it's just a game...Some guys have stupid questions, just ignore them or help them. We we all like that at 1 point in life.

P.S. Chaostamer, go with the steel/dragon legendary pokemon. It shows a bit of resistance to just about every attack attribute. We already experienced water/dragon hybrids-Kingdra and it wasn't amazing, but hey, whatever you want, go for it

Basically, I've already outlined this in the DP discussion thread a while back:

Dialga: Several resistances, 2 major weaknesses, more defense oriented, less speed.

Palkia: 1 Minor weakness, offense oriented, better speed, Dragon "Aeroblast" move.

[Dragon Rider16]

Basically, I've already outlined this in the DP discussion thread a while back:

Dialga: Several resistances, 2 major weaknesses, more defense oriented, less speed.

Palkia: 1 Minor weakness, offense oriented, better speed, Dragon "Aeroblast" move.


My bad...I was right with the resistance concerning dialga, but from what you say, palkia wins, so hey, I picked Pearl!

[WildAce]

My bad...I was right with the resistance concerning dialga, but from what you say, palkia wins, so hey, I picked Pearl!

Well, I'm not saying one is better than the other.
Infact, I haven't even decided which one I like more.

[If Dialga had the Trait "Levitate", then it would completely ROCK.]

Basically, I've come to the conclusion that if Dialga can take care of it's counters (PKMN w/ Ground and Fighting moves), then I choose it.
Else, Palkia wins.:D

[Near]

Parukia wins. Hands down.

[Dragon Rider16]

Well, I'm not saying one is better than the other.
Infact, I haven't even decided which one I like more.

[If Dialga had the Trait "Levitate", then it would completely ROCK.]

Basically, I've come to the conclusion that if Dialga can take care of it's counters (PKMN w/ Ground and Fighting moves), then I choose it.
Else, Palkia wins.:D


I chose pearl...
Well, palkia looks a little bulky compared to dalkia, but a lot better looking than kingdra. Too bad, it's a legend and too uber to go on a team.

[WildAce]

Parukia wins. Hands down.

Now, perhaps I'm a little "DEE DEE DEE", but can you explain how it wins "Hands down"?

[Chaostamer]

I know this much: both Legendaries look CRAZY. I dunno...But Salamence, Slowking, and Houndoom beat the crap out of Aggron and Mightyena...

[Near]

WildAcu:
Earthquake is on every second sweeper.

Parukia gets a great move. Diaruga gets nothing.

Parukia also gets a better combination offensively.

You can expect some In Fight hate for Diaruga.

Parukia has almost 0 weakness. Dragon has like 3 useful moves.

[DDBoahTar]

Diamond has the better version specifics. Get Diamond. :/

[Chaostamer]

Diamond has the better version specifics. Get Diamond. :/

Which Version-specifics are so good?

[shineyaltaria]

Top 10 games for the DS:

1 Pokemon Diamond
2 Final Fantasy III
3 Yu-Gi-Oh Duel 2007
4 Spectrobes
5 Animal Crossing WW
6 Castlevania: PoR
7 Yu-Gi-Oh! GX: Spirit Cal
8 Pokemon Dungeon Blue
9 Jump! Ultimate Stars
10 Phoenix Wright 2

For whatever reason, Pearl isn't on the top ten list. I think it's curious, especially since the top ten GBA games include Emerald, Ruby, Sapphire, and even the much older FR and LG games still!

Source: Gamefaqs

Just thought some of you might find it interesting too.

[Chaostamer]

Maybe I should buy Pearl...I dunno...:confused:

Additional Comment:

Okay...how about this Torterra set?

Torterra@Leftovers
-Curse
-Synthesis
-Razor Leaf/Crunch
-EQ/Crunch

[Dragon Rider16]

Maybe I should buy Pearl...I dunno...:confused:

Additional Comment:

Okay...how about this Torterra set?

Torterra@Leftovers
-Curse
-Synthesis
-Razor Leaf/Crunch
-EQ/Crunch
Not saying you should, but I'd Replace razor leaf with wood hammer...

[Rakath]

Top 10 games for the DS:

1 Pokemon Diamond
2 Final Fantasy III
3 Yu-Gi-Oh Duel 2007
4 Spectrobes
5 Animal Crossing WW
6 Castlevania: PoR
7 Yu-Gi-Oh! GX: Spirit Cal
8 Pokemon Dungeon Blue
9 Jump! Ultimate Stars
10 Phoenix Wright 2

For whatever reason, Pearl isn't on the top ten list. I think it's curious, especially since the top ten GBA games include Emerald, Ruby, Sapphire, and even the much older FR and LG games still!

Source: Gamefaqs

Just thought some of you might find it interesting too.

Ruby and Sapphire are older than FR and LG...

I'm getting Diamond, it has Scyther...

What?

[Chaostamer]

What does Wood Hammer do?

[[IXI] Doma [IXI]]

What does Wood Hammer do?


WOOD HAMMER:
Type: GRASS
Effect:User takes recoil damage.
Att: 120
Acc: 100
PP: 10

[Chaostamer]

Recoil sorta sucks...But with Synthesis, it's sorta cool.

Thanks.

[Near]

Synthesis blows. Put Leech Seed instead.

I'm getting pearl.

And that list has got it wrong. Mystery Dungeon above Phoenix Wright?
Ewww.

[shineyaltaria]

Synthesis blows. Put Leech Seed instead.

I'm getting pearl.

And that list has got it wrong. Mystery Dungeon above Phoenix Wright?
Ewww.

Good Helper Near; The top ten list I posted yesterday matches what is on Gamefaqs. That list can and does change, but I just double checked now, and it still matches what is on their site. We're you expressing your disdain or disbelief that MD > PW?

I'm starting with Diamond but will prolly do what I always seem to do and eventually get both versions; keeping one as a perm cart and the other for restarts.

[Near]

Good Helper Near; The top ten list I posted yesterday matches what is on Gamefaqs. That list can and does change, but I just double checked now, and it still matches what is on their site. We're you expressing your disdain or disbelief that MD > PW?

I'm starting with Diamond but will prolly do what I always seem to do and eventually get both versions; keeping one as a perm cart and the other for restarts.

I was shocked that they put Phoenix under Mystery Dungeon.
Or rather, that they put it only at the tenth place.
Ah well..

That's what Elly did with the Japanese versions I believe.

Chaos:
The entire moveset would be:
Leech Seed [Almost/All Pokemons who can use it should use it.
Seriously.]
Wood Hammer [Leech Seed can heal back recoil..]
Earthquake [No choice here. Stab, strong, beats stuff.]
Curse [Boost up stats for a small price] or Stone Edge.

I don't think he can power-up decently with all the Ice hate around.
It gives them a free switch.

However, stone edge can screw the ice types.

[danielmer]

why does ever one use stone edge on torterra when rock slide is better

[Near]

why does ever one use stone edge on torterra when rock slide is better

Elaborate. How is it better.

[Elly]

It's only preference as to which is better.

You just pick if you want accuracy or power.

[Chaostamer]

Thanks for the Leech Seed reminder. It IS better, I agree. I'm only going to use that set Ingame for now, so I'm not too worried about Ice. Yet...

[Dragon Rider16]

Chaos:
The entire moveset would be:
Leech Seed [Almost/All Pokemons who can use it should use it.
Seriously.]
Wood Hammer [Leech Seed can heal back recoil..]
Earthquake [No choice here. Stab, strong, beats stuff.]
Curse [Boost up stats for a small price] or Stone Edge.

I don't think he can power-up decently with all the Ice hate around.
It gives them a free switch.

However, stone edge can screw the ice types.


Near, like the movesets. But what is the biggest threat to Torterra?

[Near]

Near, like the movesets. But what is the biggest threat to Torterra?

Everything packing Ice. Not sure about Ice Pebblers, because that becomes 160 power and he has 105 base def.
Not to mention them going first is no worries.

However, stuff packing Ice Beam is countless.
From OU, I can pick up the following:
Regice
Slowbro
Dragonite [Optional, now that's he can physical sweep, not sure]
PorygonZ
Suicune
Blissey
Swampert [Maybe Ice Punch instead]
Milotic
Jynx

Then we also have Ice Punch:
Machamp
Weavile
Electivire
Snorlax [Would he use it? Not sure]
Swampert
Metagross [Meh..]
Slaking

And that's only from the top Pokemons [speculations.. but yeah]

[Dragon Rider16]

Everything packing Ice. Not sure about Ice Pebblers, because that becomes 160 power and he has 105 base def.
Not to mention them going first is no worries.

However, stuff packing Ice Beam is countless.
From OU, I can pick up the following:
Regice
Slowbro
Dragonite [Optional, now that's he can physical sweep, not sure]
PorygonZ
Suicune
Blissey
Swampert [Maybe Ice Punch instead]
Milotic
Jynx

Then we also have Ice Punch:
Machamp
Weavile
Electivire
Snorlax [Would he use it? Not sure]
Swampert
Metagross [Meh..]
Slaking

And that's only from the top Pokemons [speculations.. but yeah]

Thanks. Will be aware of this...

[Chaostamer]

Torterra seems a bit risky to use on WiFi...If he IS used, it would probably be best to either BP some Speed, or give him a Rock attack...

[Rakath]

Ice moves rarely means Ice type. Ice is one of the riskiest types to use thanks to its utter lack of resistances. Rock won't help all that much.

[Chaostamer]

Ice moves rarely means Ice type. Ice is one of the riskiest types to use thanks to its utter lack of resistances. Rock won't help all that much.

True...then Torterra is really risky to use. Oh well...I still got my Ingame! :)

[Near]

Ice moves rarely means Ice type. Ice is one of the riskiest types to use thanks to its utter lack of resistances. Rock won't help all that much.

Rather because it has weakness to:
Fighting [Common]
Rock [Common]
Fire [A lot of random Fire Blasts..]
Steel [Err.. not much here]

And since it's a good attacking type, people would rather use another Pokemon to use it.

Still, with Snow Slide, Ice Pebble, and Ice Punch getting use, you can expect much more ice hate.

[Chaostamer]

Is Purugly any good at all?

[Near]

Not really.
Persian does everything Ugly does only better.

[Chaostamer]

Not really.
Persian does everything Ugly does only better.

Persian couldn't do much...

[Dragon Rider16]

Persian couldn't do much...

I thought you of all people would like cats...

[Chaostamer]

I thought you of all people would like cats...

I love GOOD cats. Persian was never that useful, except for UU/NU. I like Persian...I just can't use it.

[Rakath]

Technician gave Persian a huge boost from Set 3.

Give it any four 60 Base moves and it can do some pretty good hurtin'. As Base 60 moves generally have side-effects worthy of note.

[Near]

Persian has a pretty good speed, can T-bolt,
and more importantly, Hypnosis got an accuracy boost.

He can also Nasty Plot.

Hypnosis
Nasty Plot
Thunderbolt
Shadow Ball

Hypnosis, power-up while they sleep,
sweep.

Hey, at least he tried. He can even Hyper Beam to at least do SOMETHING.

If you wanna use the Techni Rakath mentioned,
try

Water Pulse
Hypnosis
Nasty Plot
Thunderbolt

Otherwise, a physical one using Fake Out [It becomes about 90 power. Sweet]
or whatever is nice.

[Rakath]

Why T-Bolt when you have Shockwave at Base 90?

[Near]

Why T-Bolt when you have Shockwave at Base 90?

I thought T-Bolt had base 95 and actually had an effect.
[That is because Accuracy moves are banned anyways.. so yeah]

Physical Persian:
Return
Hypnosis
Fake Out
U Turn

Pretty cool, I must say.

You Fake it out, Hypnosis it,
U Turn, and just keep coming back for more annoyance [And he can also switch into Ghost moves,
which is a nice plus.]

Additional Comment:

Also forgot to mention Last Resort, which is pretty awesome.
Could've worked WONDERS with Hypnosis and Fake out,
but I don't think you can breed both.

Otherwise, stall using Fake Out, Hypnosis,
some move, and then Last Resort.

[Rakath]

Why are Accuracy moves banned? Never heard that one before...

[Near]

Why are Accuracy moves banned? Never heard that one before...

Double Team, Sand Attack, etc.
Banned may be a powerful word, but most players usually resign a battle against an opponent using it, and they are almost always banned on Wifi battles.

Anyways, people barely use them as nobody likes them [hax, hax]
so Shock Wave's useless.

[Chaostamer]

I just had an idea for Torterra...Doesn't he get some Agility-like move?

If so:
Torterra@Leftovers
-Leech Seed
-Agility Thing
-Earthquake
-Wood Hammer/Stone Edge/Crunch

[Absol]

He gets nothing of the sort, but if he did, Leech Seed would be dumb in the set.

[sonic17]

Empoleon@Leftovers
-Surf
-Ice beam
-Earthquake
-Hydro pump

[Chaostamer]

That Empoleon set is gonna have some problems...

[Absol]

Especially when he realizes that it is pointless to have both Surf and Hydro Pump.

[Rakath]

And that Earthquake is counter-productive to the stats on Empo.

[WildAce]

He gets nothing of the sort, but if he did, Leech Seed would be dumb in the set.

Actually bro, Torterra gets TM69: Rock Polish, which is basically another Agility.

[Chaostamer]

Rock Polish...That's the one. I remember someone mentioning it in the "Which Starter..." thread. So...

Torterra@Leftovers
-Leech Seed/Crunch/Stone Edge
-Rock Polish
-Earthquake
-Wood Hammer/Seed Bomb

Good set? Maybe competitive?

[WildAce]

Rock Polish...That's the one. I remember someone mentioning it in the "Which Starter..." thread. So...

Torterra@Leftovers
-Leech Seed/Crunch/Stone Edge
-Rock Polish
-Earthquake
-Wood Hammer/Seed Bomb

Good set? Maybe competitive?

Well, I really don't want to start another thread of which PKMN is good/better than which other pokemon, so I'll try to keep my theory short:

Torterra is essentially like Metagross in terms of stats, BUT like Salamence in terms of vulnerability.
Rock Polish Torterra ~= Agilligross => Sweet!
Torterra = Salamence => BIG ICE WEAKNESS.

I admit that it's a pretty good physical wall, but usually people are going to use Ice Beam on their special sweeper and that will usually OHKO you.

The only good chance you have is that you Rock Polish on the turn they switch out and hope that their DEF is low enough for you to OHKO them with Wood Hammer/Earthquake (which is possbile as most special sweepers have low DEF stats). If you have to face a Physical Sweeper (i.e. Medicham who can now use Ice Punch effectively), you'll be in a slightly better position as Ice Punch has lower power AND Torterra has higher DEF than Sp. DEF.
*PHEW*

In conclusion, keep him as a physical sweeper that resembles Agilligross.

My opinion:

Torterra @ Life Orb / Leftovers
Nature: [Either +ATK -Sp. ATK OR +Speed -Sp. ATK]
EVS: 4 HP / 252 ATK / 252 Speed
- Wood Hammer
- Earthquake
- Stone Edge
- Rock Polish

Life Orb will make him a more powerful sweeper, but Wood Hammer + Life Orb will eat away at your HP Fast. Leftovers makes him last a little bit longer, but I feel it's unnecessary.

[Chaostamer]

I just wanted to know if it would work...I may risk it. I'm going to start with Turtwig, even if I plan to use Infernape in the end.

[WaterDragon]

Ok, back on subject, I'm getting Pearl. I usually get the least popular out of the two.

[Chaostamer]

lol...Funny...I just realized that I always got the second one named, purely by coincidence.

Blue, Silver, Sapphire, LeafGreen, Pearl...

[Kirean616]

Additional Comment:

Also forgot to mention Last Resort, which is pretty awesome.
Could've worked WONDERS with Hypnosis and Fake out,
but I don't think you can breed both.

Otherwise, stall using Fake Out, Hypnosis,
some move, and then Last Resort.

Ah, but you forget. Persian is in the same family as Smeargle.

Also, for the rock polish set. It has the potential to be useful since it can easily come in on a T-Tar EQ or Stone Edge and Rock Polish up, but I still feel that other pokes can do it better. (Like Agiligross himself). I'd just perfer to keep him as a physical sponge. CBed Ice Pebble still hurts pretty bad, especially with Wood Hammer+Life Orb.

ADDITIONAL COMMENT:

Turtwig-Torterra resists ground and rock and can act as a stable stealth rocker. Goes through In-Game pretty easily. However, probably has the least amount of use wi-fi since Ice is everywhere and there are plenty of others that can do Torterra's job. The most important note is that this Poke's a turtle =].

Chimchar-Least use in-game. Absolutely kills in wi-fi. Great late mixed sweeper with the ability to out speed random things and OHKO them. Especially with a life orb on.

Piplup-Good in-game. Has a very good use wi-fi; it is one of the TWO pokemon that can even stand a chance to CG Salamence. Resisting all of it's moves, it can really prevent a good amount of damage from being dealt early game. (CGmence almost OHKOs Milotic with Draco Meteor and is able to 2hko even with the special down).

[WildAce]

I'm gonna take it off topic again just for a little bit:
Regarding Last Resort:

Get a Pokemon (Aipom's evolution for example) and use the following set:

Ambipom (???) @ Life Orb
Nature [+ ATK / Speed, -Sp. ATK]
EVs: 4 HP / 252 ATK / 252 Speed
- Fake Out
- Last Resort
- NOTHING
- NOTHING

Trust me, this freakin' works. I've seen it a whole bunch of times on PBR via Youtube.
A 130 Attack power * STAB * 1.3 ~= 254 power!
Pretty much, SCREW YOU HYPER BEAM / DOUBLE-EDGE.

[Chaostamer]

Ingame, what's the best Torterra moveset?

[Kirean616]

For my first Torterra (in-game one), I plan on using

Leech Seed/Synthesis
Earthquake
Curse/Leaf Storm
Crunch/Curse

I'm not exactly too excited about using TMs and other stuff on my first in-game torterra =/

However, if you're talking about Battle Tower, I would use:

Synthesis/Leech Seed
Earthquake
Stone Edge
Wood Hammer

Synthesis would be aviable option since there won't be nearly as many T-Tars or Hoppowdon (or atleast I hope so)

Earthquake
Stone Edge
Seed Bomb/Wood Hammer
Swords Dance/Rock Cart

Dancer/RCer. I don't really recomend it, but eh, its up to you. Put EVs accordingly (I don't like to put THAT many evs into speed for rock cart)

Crunch/Super Power
Earthquake
Stone Edge
Wood Hammer/Seed Bomb

Use with CB or Choice Scarf. Wood Hammer recomended with wish support. I like this set for Wi-fi. With choice scarf, it can come into about any move of Infernape's (save a fire one) and OHKO it with STABed Earthquake. Same applies with random stuff like Raikou and Starmie (on a thunder-bolt) who think it can kill it with a HP Ice or Ice Beam only to get owned by STABed Earthquake/Wood Hammer. I want to try it. (Choice Scarf is now one of my favorite items =]) Just make sure you don't keep on using this over and over; it's easily counterable after it's known. (as with all CS users)

Credit at Serebii's Pokemon of the Week for reminding me that Torterra gets Super Power.

EDIT: Err...I may have to rework the CS set...>.> Too little speed...

[Absol]

I'm gonna take it off topic again just for a little bit:
Regarding Last Resort:

Get a Pokemon (Aipom's evolution for example) and use the following set:

Ambipom (???) @ Life Orb
Nature [+ ATK / Speed, -Sp. ATK]
EVs: 4 HP / 252 ATK / 252 Speed
- Fake Out
- Last Resort
- NOTHING
- NOTHING

Trust me, this freakin' works. I've seen it a whole bunch of times on PBR via Youtube.
A 130 Attack power * STAB * 1.3 ~= 254 power!
Pretty much, SCREW YOU HYPER BEAM / DOUBLE-EDGE.

I had that idea! Fake Out gets a boost from Technician and STAB, so it's 90 power. Sucks that a Gengar disables it completely.

Can someone explain to me how Life Orb works. More than just that it increases attack but damages you.

[Near]

I had that idea! Fake Out gets a boost from Technician and STAB, so it's 90 power. Sucks that a Gengar disables it completely.

Can someone explain to me how Life Orb works. More than just that it increases attack but damages you.

130% damage, -10% hp if you hit.

[WildAce]

I had that idea! Fake Out gets a boost from Technician and STAB, so it's 90 power. Sucks that a Gengar disables it completely.

Can someone explain to me how Life Orb works. More than just that it increases attack but damages you.

Well, as long as your team is prepared to deal with Ghost-type PKMN, you're in the clear.

Near took care of your question.

[sonic17]

Any 1 have good movesets for empoleon then?

[WildAce]

Depends on how you want to approach it:

-Physical sweeper w/ Swords Dance
-Special sweeper
-Tactician
-"Wall"

[obelisk_incarnate]

Read my "What Starter will you get" post that I just posted on it,