Machamp, Double Battles, and a RMT

[reapsoul964]

Sorry, but you guys who know me know that just about every post I have has my current NetBattle team, and I'm always looking for suggestions. That's gonna be later in this thread.

First off-while I was away from the computer, I was thinking about Machamp(playing the Battle Factory on my GBA, Alakazam/Machamp/Metagross)... and about the ability and facade, and sweeping power from that.

So basically I was thinking of a double battle set-up.

Ninjask (F) @ Liechi Berry
Trait: Speed Boost
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Adamant Nature(+Atk, -SAtk)
- Swords Dance
- Substitute
- Baton Pass
- Silver Wind

Clefable (F) @ Leftovers
Trait: uh
EVs: uh
Bold Nature?
- Follow Me
- (Softboiled... can't cleffy learn that?)
- Seismic Toss(can it learn that..?)
- Reflect/Light Screen?

Togetic (F) @ Leftovers
Trait: Serene Grace
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Def / 252 SDef
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Fire Blast
- Follow Me
- Reflect(?)
- Light Screen(?)

Gengar (F) @ Leftovers
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Spd / 252 SAtk
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Ice Punch
- Will-o-Wisp
- Thunderbolt
- Confuse Ray

Dusclops (F) @ Leftovers
Trait: uh
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Def / 252 SDef
Uh
- W-o-W
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Machamp (F) @ Leftovers(?)
Trait: Guts
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd(maybe)
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Facade
- Rock Slide
- Hidden Power [Ghost]
- Cross Chop

So pretty much get a bunch of boosts to Machamp, then send in Gengar to burn it, and sweep with high speed and Guts/Facade... it sounds horrible, but the idea is intriguing, to me.

Another idea is for a single battle thing.

Ninjask(same as above)
Ninjask(same as above)
Standard Agiligross
Ninjask(w/Petaya/Silver Wind)
Alakazam (F) @ Lum Berry
Trait: Synchronize
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Spd / 252 SAtk
Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Calm Mind
- Fire Punch
- Thunderpunch
- Psychic
Machamp (F) @ Leftovers
Trait: Guts
EVs: (HP) / 252 Atk / (Spd)
- Facade
- Rest
- Sleep Talk
- Cross Chop/Hidden Power [Ghost]/Rock Slide

3 ninjasks... shut up.

pass the boost to one of the pokemon and just sweep. mainly machamp. guts activates while sleeping(as far as i know), so just pray that when you use sleep talk, you use Facade/CC. This would probably work better in GSC, with different pokemon of course.

RMT

Aerodactyl (F) @ Liechi Berry
Trait: Pressure
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spd
Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Earthquake
- Hidden Power [Flying]
- Rock Slide
- Substitute

Tired of saying it... but nobody expects a subbing Aerodactyl. Without that boost from the liechi though, she's weak. She's weak anyways...


Zapdos @ Liechi Berry
Trait: Pressure
EVs: 228 Atk / 32 Spd / 248 SAtk
Naughty Nature (+Atk, -SDef)
- Drill Peck
- Thunderbolt
- Agility
- Substitute

Before you say it, yes, I know, Liechi Zapdos is really weird. Especially with Agility. I'm testing. Drill Peck gets STAB, Thunderbolt gets STAB, Agility's cool, and Sub rocks always. 30 HP IVs to make the HP 320 instead of 321, for even subbing. I originally had raikou, then jolteon-now time to try out a weird bird...


Crobat (F) @ Leftovers
Trait: Inner Focus
EVs: 236 Atk / 252 Spd / 20 SDef
Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Confuse Ray
- Haze
- Hidden Power [Ground]
- Sludge Bomb

No matter what I do, I can't leave Crobat outta the team. 200 special defense(20 SDef pts, would be 16 pts. if i didn't have HP: Ground) should help me survive a bit longer against suicune ice beams... confusion rocks... haze is needed, HP: Ground is for 'gross and the likes, sludge gets stab... 275 attack sucks though.

Suicune @ Leftovers
Trait: Pressure
EVs: 164 HP / 104 Def / 240 SAtk
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Calm Mind
- Hidden Power [Grass]
- Ice Beam
- Rest

CMCune with HP: Grass for Swampert/Suicune/Lapras/Vaporeon/Tyraniretard... more special attack than usual as well.

Blaziken (F) @ Salac Berry
Trait: Blaze
EVs: 156 Atk / 176 Spd / 176 SAtk
Hasty Nature (+Spd, -Def)
- Endure
- Overheat
- Reversal
- Swords Dance

Went back to the Overheat Reversakin... you never know...

Metagross @ Leftovers
Trait: Clear Body
EVs: 216 Atk / 92 Spd / 200 SAtk
Naughty Nature (+Atk, -SDef)
- Agility
- Facade
- Hidden Power [Fire]
- Meteor Mash

Changed the ol' 'Gross up a bit. 396 attack, 198 speed, rest in special attack... for HP: Fire. I took off the lum berry, so when the opponent thinks they have me pinned down because they've paralyzed me, they're in for a rude awakening. Facade's there. HP: Fire's for Skarm/Metagross/Celebi(although MM would probably do more)/Scizor/Forretress... you know.

[Venny]

Ninjask: Looks fine

Clefable: Is this what you're going for?

Clefable (F) @ Leftovers
Trait: Cute Charm
EVs: 252 HP / 72 Def / 184 SDef
Calm Nature (+SDef, -Atk)
- Follow Me
- Reflect
- Seismic Toss
- Softboiled

Togetic: This EV spread should give more overall durability

Togetic (F) @ Leftovers
Trait: Hustle
EVs: 252 HP / 240 Def / 18 SDef
Calm Nature (+SDef, -Atk)

Gengar: Drop confuse ray for fire punch. Confusion isn't that great in double-battles. Just expand the number of targets you can kill.

Dusclops: I would cut dusclop for another physical attack that can be an alternative to machamp. Metagross maybe?

Machamp: Possibly white-herb in case the opponent uses some stat-downs on your ninjask.



The team concept seems good, but its fragile like everything that relies on follow-me. Give it a try, and if you really want a hard battle, I'll play you online if I see you. My DB team counters this one really nicely...

Additional Comment:

Aerodactyl: Seems fine

Raikou: Seems fine

Crobat: Seems fine

Suicune: No surf seems odd, but if it's working... I don't like rest on suicune all that much... Maybe put surf back in over rest?

Blaziken: Fireblast is 270 power. It's all multiplication and not addition, so it should look like this: 120 x 1.5 x 1.5 = 270

Metagross: Rock slide over EQ? Hate gyarados/zapdos that much? :p

[reapsoul964]

Ninjask: Looks fine

Clefable: Is this what you're going for?

Clefable (F) @ Leftovers
Trait: Cute Charm
EVs: 252 HP / 72 Def / 184 SDef
Calm Nature (+SDef, -Atk)
- Follow Me
- Reflect
- Seismic Toss
- Softboiled

Togetic: This EV spread should give more overall durability

Togetic (F) @ Leftovers
Trait: Hustle
EVs: 252 HP / 240 Def / 18 SDef
Calm Nature (+SDef, -Atk)

Gengar: Drop confuse ray for fire punch. Confusion isn't that great in double-battles. Just expand the number of targets you can kill.

Dusclops: I would cut dusclop for another physical attack that can be an alternative to machamp. Metagross maybe?

Machamp: Possibly white-herb in case the opponent uses some stat-downs on your ninjask.



The team concept seems good, but its fragile like everything that relies on follow-me. Give it a try, and if you really want a hard battle, I'll play you online if I see you. My DB team counters this one really nicely...

The DB Team idea was just that, an idea. I was just thinking of a way to make Machamp a superior sweeper with Guts, Facade, and Ninjask. I am not using this as a team unless I can come up with some seriously good movesets and the like.

Additional Comment:

Aerodactyl: Seems fine

Raikou: Seems fine

Crobat: Seems fine

Suicune: No surf seems odd, but if it's working... I don't like rest on suicune all that much... Maybe put surf back in over rest?

rest helps a lot. This thing makes an awesome Blissey counter. Just keep resting away and let pressure destroy the blissey. Besides, 'Cune can't last long as a CMer without good health restoring. There's also toxic and the like that you have to take into account. Without surf, this is odd, but HP: Grass is there to take care of other waters and Swampert.

Blaziken: Fireblast is 270 power. It's all multiplication and not addition, so it should look like this: 120 x 1.5 x 1.5 = 270

You sure? I thought it would be 120 + STAB + Blaze... so 120 + 60 + 60 to 240. Hey-270's even better :)

Metagross: Rock slide over EQ? Hate gyarados/zapdos that much? :p

Rock Slide was suggested, and it's doing ok. I don't run into Gyarados much, and Zapdos is still kinda rare to see, but Rock Slide still does give some surprisability. This set is still very... new. Very hard to use right for me, I'm still testing. I don't have the prediction I had for the old AgiliGross/CBGross, but whatever.

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