Skarmbliss is cool ^_^

[Venny]

Yeah, I was making a team and such, and I ended up using skarmbliss. Oh well, it's not like people aren't ready for it. Incoming T-boah >_<

Anyway, please point out any pokemon that would give this team trouble. In other words, what can I not effectively counter?



Zapdos @ Leftovers
Trait: Pressure
EVs: 252 HP / 30 Spd / 140 SAtk / 88 SDef
Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Hidden Power [Grass]
- Light Screen
- Thunder Wave
- Thunderbolt

Salamence (F) @ Leftovers
Trait: Intimidate
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Spd / 252 SAtk
Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Dragon Claw
- Fire Blast
- Hidden Power [Grass]
- Hydro Pump

Machamp (M) @ Choice Band
Trait: Guts
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Spd
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Cross Chop
- Earthquake
- Rock Slide
- Sleep Talk

Metagross @ Leftovers
Trait: Clear Body
EVs: 204 HP / 252 Atk / 52 Def
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Earthquake
- Meteor Mash
- Reflect
- Rock Slide

Skarmory (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Keen Eye
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SDef
Impish Nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Hidden Power [Flying]
- Spikes
- Substitute
- Whirlwind

Blissey (F) @ Leftovers
Trait: Natural Cure
EVs: 252 Def / 4 Spd / 252 SAtk
Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Aromatherapy
- Ice Beam
- Seismic Toss
- Softboiled




Zapdos: Thunderbolt/Hidden power [Ice] is also a good attack set for leading. Thunder wave provides much needed paralysis support, and light screen is awesome. Counters tyraniboah okay, which I need pretty bad.

Salamence: <3

Machamp: Choice banded cross chop is so awesome. Even things that resist fighting have to worry about that high critical hit ratio. Skarmory sure as hell isn't going to ruin my day. The only thing that worries me is that really low PP.

Metagross: Hit's things hard... Reflect is always great on metagross, because of how easily he forces a switch. When reflect is up, blissey is ***** x 2. Rock slide is there to prevent zapdos/gyarados from walling me. I find that oftentimes people use a flying + water/fire/electric as their primary metagross counter. Sucks to be them.

Skarmory: Uh... Basic skarmory, except I use substitute to check for magneton, block rapid spin, and other annoying things. I mainly did substitute because I don't like the thought of magneton ruining my skarmbliss.

Blissey: Modest nature + max special attack is a OHKO on dugtrio. I did it mainly because I did not want dugtrio ruining my skarmbliss. Stupid moles.



Testing:

Increasing machamp's SDef
Serene grace on blissey
Wish over hydro pump on Salamence

[Kensaki]

Replace skarmory with flygon

[Venny]

Replace skarmory with flygon

Care to explain? I already have two heavy hitting physical attackers. I have two guys who resist rock, and have two guys immune to ground. Flygon would make three guys weak to the most common special attack in the game.

Taking away skarmory would eliminate my primary physical wall, leave me without a pseudo-hazer, and without any spikes support. Spikes aren't needed on a team, but they are nice to have.

Your suggestion doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Is there some kind of special flygon you had in mind?

[reapsoul964]

Yeah, I was making a team and such, and I ended up using skarmbliss. Oh well, it's not like people aren't ready for it. Incoming T-boah >_<

Anyway, please point out any pokemon that would give this team trouble. In other words, what can I not effectively counter?



Zapdos @ Leftovers
Trait: Pressure
EVs: 252 HP / 24 Spd / 136 SAtk / 96 SDef
Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Hidden Power [Ice]
- Light Screen
- Thunder Wave
- Thunderbolt

Light Screen Metagross, CM Suicune, Raikou, DDMence(after a few DDs of course...), anything with Rock Slide pretty much... Zapdos is kinda hard to counter though, I'd say the best counter is Swampert. Without HP: Grass, Zapdos does little to nothing to Swampert. Also can't do a thing to Blissey and Snorlax(well, mainly Blissey, but 'Laxie's painful.) I'd go with 300 speed to outspeed Salamence and Sub over Light Screen...

Salamence (F) @ Leftovers
Trait: Intimidate
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Spd / 252 SAtk
Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Dragon Claw
- Fire Blast
- Hidden Power [Grass]
- Hydro Pump

Suicune will do some painful damage to this... and of course, pretty much anything with Ice Beam... main thing though is Suicune. Hydro Pump gets rid of Rock/Ground/Fire threats... Dragon Claw gets STAB and takes out other Mences and Kingdra... HP: Grass slaughters Swampert... Fire Blast takes down Skarmory... ah, Blissey. You can't do anything to Blisslax really.

Machamp (M) @ Choice Band
Trait: Guts
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Spd
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Cross Chop
- Earthquake
- Rock Slide
- Sleep Talk

Interesting. Sleep Talking CBChamp... sounds fun, but sleep moves aren't that common, are they?

Needs some special defense. This can't really do anything to Alakazam(who uses that these days?)... but... iunno. Machamp's only true counters(cuz in my experience it CAN survive Psychic from pokemon like Celebi) are faster pokemon with annoying moves(...celebi), and Skarmory, because of Roar/Whirlwind... once you've got some attack up though(I used to use BulkChamp-needed rest though...)... ^^

Metagross @ Leftovers
Trait: Clear Body
EVs: 204 HP / 252 Atk / 52 Def
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Earthquake
- Meteor Mash
- Reflect
- Rock slide

Anything with over 176 or whatever speed and a strong fire attack... most teams have at least one thing like that. Anything faster than Metagross can give it a challenge, but overall, he's hard to counter because of all the movesets... and you've got the Reflect version. That'll help even more. Nothing really to say.

Skarmory (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Keen Eye
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SDef
Impish Nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Hidden Power [Flying]
- Spikes
- Substitute
- Whirlwind

Elemence, T-Boah, Boltbeamers, Dragonite(w/Boltbeam or some fire attack), fire attacks... mainly though, Magneton. I'd go with HP: Ground instead, just to get SOME damage on Maggy.

Blissey (F) @ Leftovers
Trait: Natural Cure
EVs: 252 Def / 4 Spd / 252 SAtk
Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Aromatherapy
- Ice Beam
- Seismic Toss
- Softboiled

Dies to just about... uh... everything with a physical attack move. Metagross is the biggest threat, I'd say. Then again, you've got max defense. This'll counter Salad Dressing(Salamence) effectively... I think... ST isn't good in my opinon, I'd go with Thunderbolt. Boltbeam rocks. I use it on my Dragonite. Softboiled helps get back the HP and Aromatherapy rocks. I'd go with the Serene Grace nature(it can have that, right?) to get double the chane for Boltbeam to have effects, and you've got Aromatherapy for status anyways. Can't do much about sleep there, but if you're good at predicting...

Zapdos: Thunderbolt/Hidden power [Ice] is also a good attack set for leading. Thunder wave provides much needed paralysis support, and light screen is awesome. Counters tyraniboah okay, which I need pretty bad.

That counters T-Boah? Hum.

Salamence: <3

I know what you mean, but Dragonite gets the special sweeping job done better, depending on what you're aiming for. In my opinion, Dragonite's a better Special Sweeper, whereas Salamence is more of a surpriser/finisher with special moves.

Salamence > Dragonite in Physical Sweeping
Salamence < Dragonite in Special Sweeping
Salamence ~ Dragonite in Mixed Sweeping
Salamence > Dragonite in Surprising
Salamence < Dragonite in everything else(D-Nite can Haze, paralyze... and more)

I've got a mixed Salamence on my GBA. Hasty Nature, Atk/SAtk/Spd EVs only, Hydro Pump/Fire Blast/Dragon Dance/Rock Slide.

It doesn't seem to work the way I thought it would.

Machamp: Choice banded cross chop is so awesome. Even things that resist fighting have to worry about that high critical hit ratio. Skarmory sure as hell isn't going to ruin my day. The only thing that worries me is that really low PP.

and ghosts. lots of ghosts. and speed. otherwise, yeah. Guts + Choice Band + max of 394 Attack + Sleep Talk + cross chop(stab)... insane. Gotta be awesome on prediction though >_<

Metagross: Hit's things hard... and goes boom. Reflect is always great on metagross, because of how easily he forces a switch. When reflect is up, blissey is ***** x 2.

good point... it hits things hard and goes boom.

the good point is for reflect and blissey. I've gotta admit, that's smart.

Skarmory: Uh... Basic skarmory, except I use substitute to check for magneton, block rapid spin, and other annoying things. I mainly did substitute because I don't like the thought of magneton ruining my skarmbliss.

*cough*

Blissey: Modest nature + max special attack is a OHKO on dugtrio. I did it mainly because I did not want dugtrio ruining my skarmbliss. Stupid moles.

*cough*

Team's pretty well rounded. I'm impressed overall(minus Skarmory and Blissey cuz I hate them, but y'know...). Without the fat thing, you're very weak to special attacks(then again, LSDos...). I can't really think of too many counters...

[Venny]

Er... I meant what can my team not counter as a whole, but you did point out a few things I didn't catch before, so thanks anyway.

Zapdos: I don't like giving him that much speed cause I usually just paralyze everything to become faster. Loading up his HP also makes him quite durable. Light screen makes zapdos a great T-boah counter, and is good support on a team where the only special tank is blissey. T-boah's crunch does 14% ~ 17% to zapdos after light screen, and focus punch only does about 25%. Tyranitar on the other hand, takes a hefty 38% ~ 45% from zapdos thunderbolt.

Salamence: Dragonite is superior as a special sweeper... unless you want the speed. Also, salamence gets intimidate, which gives him some defensive capabilities that dragonite does not have. Now, as a mixed sweeper, dragonite wins hands down. Salamence does have some advantages over dragonite though in terms of special sweeping. Also, elemence still outruns heracross and has a chance to OHKO with fire blast. Dragonite can't outrun or OHKO via fire blast.

Machamp: I'll test out boosting his special defense. I usually do that for bulk-up or resttalking variants, but it might work here... The thing is, for those versions I don't usually have maxed attack. I'll have to see, cause sometimes I switch machamp into stuff like rock slide, which he resists.

Skarmory: I thought about HP ground... but it won't OHKO, and then magneton will outrun and OHKO skarmory. HP flying also lets skarmory kill heracross easily, and takes away the threat of focus punch.

Blissey: I'll test out serene grace. 20% chance for freeze could be really sick, although it may still never happen. I think it could be worth trying out.

Team's pretty well rounded. I'm impressed overall(minus Skarmory and Blissey cuz I hate them, but y'know...). Without the fat thing, you're very weak to special attacks(then again, LSDos...). I can't really think of too many counters...

I <3 blissey, but I don't like skarmory that much. However, the metal bird is fairly unique. What else gives normal/flying resist + Durability + effective pseudo-hazing + spikes? Not to mention it counters a ton of threats.

Okay, I increased zapdos' speed by two, to make him faster than jolly T-tar. I will also test out making machamp more special resistant and blissey with serene grace. Thanks

[reapsoul964]

No prob. Any time I can offer my opinons, I'm there.

[darkdragon81]

swampert is going to give you some serious trouble, even with that light screen on zapdos. i would take ice out for grass on zapos

[Venny]

swampert is going to give you some serious trouble, even with that light screen on zapdos. i would take ice out for grass on zapos

Hmm... That is a good point. Yeah I'll change to HP grass.

[Kensaki]

Sakrmory aint the best pokemon id replace with flygon because if they have a dragon pokemon and you have a dragon type move they screwed.Skarmory......well just sucks

[Near]

Sakrmory aint the best pokemon id replace with flygon because if they have a dragon pokemon and you have a dragon type move they screwed.Skarmory......well just sucks

You are stupid and therefore wrong.

[reapsoul964]

You are stupid and therefore wrong.

Whoa, calm down there! There are some valid points to what he's bringing up.

Skarmory-low on attack/speed/special defense. only useful as a spiker/physical wall.

Flygon-resists earthquake and thunderbolt, can use fire blast(therefore rendering Skarmory nearly useless), has STAB on EQ, and has decent speed/attack/defensive capabilities.

Overall, Skarmory's more useful, but to each his or her own. Don't beat down players because they think differently than you.

Example-I think Magikarp totally beats every pokemon. Cuz it doesn't.

Uh...

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Sakrmory aint the best pokemon id replace with flygon because if they have a dragon pokemon and you have a dragon type move they screwed.Skarmory......well just sucks

Competitively, Skarmory and Flygon are in totally different leagues. Skarmory's better, because of the defensive capabilities. Flygon can't do much besides attack-but it depends on what you want. Skarmory definitely does not suck, but I will not ever use it. Trust me-on NetBattle, Skarmory is a murderer.

[Emerald-Ryuu]

4 out of 6 of your Pokemon gets walled by Blissey and Snorlax, and sooner or later spikes will wear down your two physical sweepers

[Venny]

4 out of 6 of your Pokemon gets walled by Blissey and Snorlax, and sooner or later spikes will wear down your two physical sweepers

Snorlax I can easily handle with skarmory, unless it's FB-lax which I never ever see. Blissey can come in on me all day: Just makes it easy for machamp to come in, seeing as the worse blissey could do is seismic toss. If they thunder wave him: great. STAB+Guts+Choice band cross chop murders... Even salamence loses half of his health (CH has the possibility to kill, depending on EVs).

Although I get what you're saying about wearing them down... I didn't bother with rapid spin before, simply because half my team is unaffected. How about wish support? I can use wish to heal machamp/metagross, and with light screen/reflect support it's even easier to pass wish around.

Blissey can't get heal status and get wish, so I'm to try out wish on salamence. Since he will bring out the special walls, I can cast wish on the switch and then go to machamp/metagross or whoever. I think it could work.

Thanks for pointing that out.

Edit: Meh, I'd have to drop hydro pump on salamence to get wish... Really blows. I might switch salamence to physical attacker or something... I'll have to try stuff out.

[Kensaki]

thx for the help reapsoul

[Near]

Whoa, calm down there! There are some valid points to what he's bringing up.

Skarmory-low on attack/speed/special defense. only useful as a spiker/physical wall.

Flygon-resists earthquake and thunderbolt, can use fire blast(therefore rendering Skarmory nearly useless), has STAB on EQ, and has decent speed/attack/defensive capabilities.

Overall, Skarmory's more useful, but to each his or her own. Don't beat down players because they think differently than you.

Example-I think Magikarp totally beats every pokemon. Cuz it doesn't.

Uh...

Additional Comment:



Competitively, Skarmory and Flygon are in totally different leagues. Skarmory's better, because of the defensive capabilities. Flygon can't do much besides attack-but it depends on what you want. Skarmory definitely does not suck, but I will not ever use it. Trust me-on NetBattle, Skarmory is a murderer.
Only useful? But that's beyond useful. It's his use, anyways.

If you remove a defensive spiker for a physical sweeper,
GIVE-A-REASON.
He needs more sweeping power? I don't think so.

Does Flygon help him cover weaknesses?
No, it makes it worse.
Two x2 weak to beam? Nah.

Does flygon do the same job as Skarmory, only better?

I doubt that.

I was mainly bashing him for:
Giving a TOTALLY random suggestion, and more importantly NOT ADDING WHY.

Alright, Venny, -Team +6 Magikarps.

Reasons? Because I think differently. Am I noob? Nah, I just think differently.

Also, he's a scammer. Ewww.

[reapsoul964]

Only useful? But that's beyond useful. It's his use, anyways.

If you remove a defensive spiker for a physical sweeper,
GIVE-A-REASON.
He needs more sweeping power? I don't think so.

Does Flygon help him cover weaknesses?
No, it makes it worse.
Two x2 weak to beam? Nah.

Does flygon do the same job as Skarmory, only better?

I doubt that.

I was mainly bashing him for:
Giving a TOTALLY random suggestion, and more importantly NOT ADDING WHY.

Alright, Venny, -Team +6 Magikarps.

Reasons? Because I think differently. Am I noob? Nah, I just think differently.

Also, he's a scammer. Ewww.


would it really hurt that bad to be nicer once in a while? It really depends on what type of team you're going for. Flygon isn't great compared to Skarmory, but they both have their uses. Flygon can come in on Earthquake and Thunder Wave and hit them back hard. Skarmory can come in on Earthquake, and if it comes in on Thunder Wave, unless you've got rest, your bird is crippled.

It's just a game.

[Near]

would it really hurt that bad to be nicer once in a while? It really depends on what type of team you're going for. Flygon isn't great compared to Skarmory, but they both have their uses. Flygon can come in on Earthquake and Thunder Wave and hit them back hard. Skarmory can come in on Earthquake, and if it comes in on Thunder Wave, unless you've got rest, your bird is crippled.

It's just a game.

That's the best reason to use Flygon - to evade thunderwave.
Now I'm gonna add three to my team because I've never heard of an Aromatherapist/Heal Beller/Rest/Other ground Pokemons

[WildAce]

Skarm is simply good for what's it's meant to be good for, and that's Spiker + Physical Wall + Phazer. Those 3 aspects already rock, and nobody does it better than Skarm.

Flygon is meant to be more offensive than Skarmory, and though it does do that, that doesn't make it good at offense. He can take Rock, Ground, Fire, Electric, and to an extent even Grass and Water attacks well. That's reason enough to use it.

Now, you can't just say that he sucks because it is 4x weakened to Ice, after all, Skarmory is 2x weakened to Electric AND Fire.

IMO, a team with both would work really well since one's weaknesses are the other's resistances.

[Near]

Skarm is simply good for what's it's meant to be good for, and that's Spiker + Physical Wall + Phazer. Those 3 aspects already rock, and nobody does it better than Skarm.

Flygon is meant to be more offensive than Skarmory, and though it does do that, that doesn't make it good at offense. He can take Rock, Ground, Fire, Electric, and to an extent even Grass and Water attacks well. That's reason enough to use it.

Now, you can't just say that he sucks because it is 4x weakened to Ice, after all, Skarmory is 2x weakened to Electric AND Fire.

IMO, a team with both would work really well since one's weaknesses are the other's resistances.

Of course we cannot say that, for Salamence and Dragonite are both x2 weak to ice, too.
And the currently-in-process Gaburaisu.

[Emerald-Ryuu]

Snorlax I can easily handle with skarmory, unless it's FB-lax which I never ever see. Blissey can come in on me all day: Just makes it easy for machamp to come in, seeing as the worse blissey could do is seismic toss. If they thunder wave him: great. STAB+Guts+Choice band cross chop murders... Even salamence loses half of his health (CH has the possibility to kill, depending on EVs).

Although I get what you're saying about wearing them down... I didn't bother with rapid spin before, simply because half my team is unaffected. How about wish support? I can use wish to heal machamp/metagross, and with light screen/reflect support it's even easier to pass wish around.

Blissey can't get heal status and get wish, so I'm to try out wish on salamence. Since he will bring out the special walls, I can cast wish on the switch and then go to machamp/metagross or whoever. I think it could work.

Thanks for pointing that out.

Edit: Meh, I'd have to drop hydro pump on salamence to get wish... Really blows. I might switch salamence to physical attacker or something... I'll have to try stuff out.


I'm not saying you can't beat them, I'm saying you're easily walled by them because the majority of your team are special sweepers or walls. 2 OU Pokemon on their team stops 4 on yours, you see where I'm coming from right? Sure, you can switch, but that doesn't mean your opponent can't either.

If you plan on using Salamence with Wish, you might as well go
Wish
Flamethrower/Fire Blast
Dragon Claw
Substitute

Of course, you're free to replace anything.