Hemostrat
11-18-2006, 09:09 PM
This debate has been going back and forth probably since it first happened during the Return of Itachi arc, who is the stronger of the two? To start with, I personally think Itachi is stronger.
The reason that almost everyone says that Jiraiya is greater than Itachi comes from page 9 of chapter 144.
Kisame: "You can fight how and where you want, but I don't know... the time is wrong."
Itachi: "Ah. To meet those two and kill them. It's a good place to fight. So they can't augment the number of people they have."
Kisame: "It was good that we found him at the Ramen shop. But he's protected by one of the legendary three ninjas. That guy might be a match for the first of the leaf and one of the mist's seven strongest."
Itachi: "Ah, but... It's said that every strong man has a weakness"
Where Kisame says that "that guy" (he doesn't refer who it is directly, but right before saying that he does say one of the Legendary Sannins so logic would go to say that he's talking about Jiraiya)
But isn't Orochimaru suppose to be stronger than Jiraiya and Itachi is said to be stronger than Orochimaru therefore Itachi should be stronger than Jiraiya?
The quote that Itachi said can be interupted by saying that Jiraiya is stronger than him, or that Naruto is. A Kyuubi-fied Naruto and a Sannin is stronger than Itachi and Kisame. When Naruto started concentrating his Kyuubi chakra Kisame looked over in shock, and Itachi in even more shock.
Also, at the time Itachi had already used the Mangekyou Sharingan, which would seem to use up about 30% of his chakra supply. Along with the fact that Itachi wanted to take Naruto as silently as possible and not attract attention to himself. Given those two facts, defeating Jiraiya would become much more of a problem. Killing someone is one thing, taking someone without anyone noticing while being guarded by a legend is another.
Kisame stated that Jiraiya would take both of them (and Itachi wasn't at full power), Itachi said no such thing. I'll admit Jiraiya probably is very close to Itachi's level but he isn't at it. Itachi isn't one for un-needed bloodshed and doesn't want to do more than he has to. If that were the case, Asuma would have died much earlier than chapter 328
Another point in case against Itachi is that he and Kisame ran away when Jiraiya came. Well, a Sannin is not to be taken lightly, and Jiraiya had been missing in action since Orochimaru left Konoha. How could they tell how powerful he really was? Better to be safe than sorry when you're life could be on the line no? If a jutsu is said to kill you, and that no one has ever gotten out of it, wouldn't it be easier to run away than kill the person who did the jutsu? That way you know you'll come out alive.
"Why did we retreat...? ...You should have been able to..."
"Since Naruto isn't too powerful, there is no need to hurry. And also, I need to find a place to take a rest. Not only did I use Tsukiyomi... I even had to use Amaterasu."
Chapter 148 page 7
Itachi isn't one to make excuses, after he used the Mangekyou Sharingan for the third time his eyes went back to normal, not back into Sharingan, but back to normal. Now after he used it just once on Kakashi Kisame said: "However, Itachi-san you should be carful since the "eye" is dangerous to you as well..." (chapter 142 page 18). If you're incredible low on chakra, don't know how strong your opponet actually is and know that your mission has basically failed (He was suppose to take Naruto quielty) then what choice do you have but to run?
The reason that almost everyone says that Jiraiya is greater than Itachi comes from page 9 of chapter 144.
Kisame: "You can fight how and where you want, but I don't know... the time is wrong."
Itachi: "Ah. To meet those two and kill them. It's a good place to fight. So they can't augment the number of people they have."
Kisame: "It was good that we found him at the Ramen shop. But he's protected by one of the legendary three ninjas. That guy might be a match for the first of the leaf and one of the mist's seven strongest."
Itachi: "Ah, but... It's said that every strong man has a weakness"
Where Kisame says that "that guy" (he doesn't refer who it is directly, but right before saying that he does say one of the Legendary Sannins so logic would go to say that he's talking about Jiraiya)
But isn't Orochimaru suppose to be stronger than Jiraiya and Itachi is said to be stronger than Orochimaru therefore Itachi should be stronger than Jiraiya?
The quote that Itachi said can be interupted by saying that Jiraiya is stronger than him, or that Naruto is. A Kyuubi-fied Naruto and a Sannin is stronger than Itachi and Kisame. When Naruto started concentrating his Kyuubi chakra Kisame looked over in shock, and Itachi in even more shock.
Also, at the time Itachi had already used the Mangekyou Sharingan, which would seem to use up about 30% of his chakra supply. Along with the fact that Itachi wanted to take Naruto as silently as possible and not attract attention to himself. Given those two facts, defeating Jiraiya would become much more of a problem. Killing someone is one thing, taking someone without anyone noticing while being guarded by a legend is another.
Kisame stated that Jiraiya would take both of them (and Itachi wasn't at full power), Itachi said no such thing. I'll admit Jiraiya probably is very close to Itachi's level but he isn't at it. Itachi isn't one for un-needed bloodshed and doesn't want to do more than he has to. If that were the case, Asuma would have died much earlier than chapter 328
Another point in case against Itachi is that he and Kisame ran away when Jiraiya came. Well, a Sannin is not to be taken lightly, and Jiraiya had been missing in action since Orochimaru left Konoha. How could they tell how powerful he really was? Better to be safe than sorry when you're life could be on the line no? If a jutsu is said to kill you, and that no one has ever gotten out of it, wouldn't it be easier to run away than kill the person who did the jutsu? That way you know you'll come out alive.
"Why did we retreat...? ...You should have been able to..."
"Since Naruto isn't too powerful, there is no need to hurry. And also, I need to find a place to take a rest. Not only did I use Tsukiyomi... I even had to use Amaterasu."
Chapter 148 page 7
Itachi isn't one to make excuses, after he used the Mangekyou Sharingan for the third time his eyes went back to normal, not back into Sharingan, but back to normal. Now after he used it just once on Kakashi Kisame said: "However, Itachi-san you should be carful since the "eye" is dangerous to you as well..." (chapter 142 page 18). If you're incredible low on chakra, don't know how strong your opponet actually is and know that your mission has basically failed (He was suppose to take Naruto quielty) then what choice do you have but to run?