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stompatron
11-06-2006, 07:28 PM
Regice @ Leftovers
Trait: Clear Body
EVs: 252 HP / 96 Def / 20 Spd / 140 SAtk
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Ice Beam
- Rest
- Thunderbolt
- Toxic

Standard flying / dragon / skarm counter.

Skarmory (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Sturdy
EVs: 252 HP / 38 Atk / 120 Def / 100 Spd
Impish Nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Hidden Power [Flying]
- Spikes
- Substitute
- Whirlwind

sup rock slides that hurt my precious zard

Umbreon (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Synchronize
EVs: 208 HP / 78 Def / 224 Spd
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Baton Pass
- Mean Look
- Taunt
- Wish

chaosbreon to kill weezing that wreck zard

Celebi @ Leftovers
Trait: Natural Cure
EVs: 240 HP / 212 Def / 56 SDef
Calm Nature (+SDef, -Atk)
- Heal Bell
- Perish Song
- Psychic
- Recover

yeah end reciever of chaosbreon ;)

Starmie @ Leftovers
Trait: Natural Cure
EVs: 68 HP / 240 Spd / 200 SAtk
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Ice Beam
- Rapid Spin
- Recover
- Surf

chaosbreon doesnt like spikes with its constant switching, plus it helps get rid of skarm

Charizard (M) @ Salac Berry
Trait: Blaze
EVs: 6 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Naughty Nature (+Atk, -SDef)
- Belly Drum
- Earthquake
- Fire Blast
- Rock Slide

Head honcho!!! yea!!! sweeps.

rate / hate plzkthxbia

Near
11-06-2006, 07:54 PM
Small note - I'd rather put Overeath over Fire Blast on Charizard.

stompatron
11-06-2006, 08:04 PM
Thats true, Overheat will probably do more to skarm. But my problem is that once he hits skarm once, if skarm survives, he wont do crap after skarm rests that damage off. ill do a damage calulation to see if skarm will survive, assuming neutral nature, max HP, no special defence.

::EDIT:: oh, if skarm has no special defense EVs, he cant survive ;X okay, change made. Thanks

::EDIT 2:: i noticed how after i use overheat on a skarm, OHKO, but it does nothing after, and FB OHKOs too. like once i used overheat on skarm, then they sent out a veanasaur about 1/2 health, i overheat, and it brings it down to roughly 36 health. :/

reapsoul964
11-07-2006, 02:34 PM
Small note - I'd rather put Overeath over Fire Blast on Charizard.



Why? Overheat is only useful for one turn(until you recall the pokemon), and he's got a Bellyzard-return it and Zard loses all those attack points, plus the speed boost from salac. Nuh-uh. Fire Blast or Flamethrower...

personally, I use Heat Wave. It hits double pokemon, has 100 power, 90 accuracy, and I just wanted to use it to be different :-P

Additional Comment:
Regice @ Leftovers
Trait: Clear Body
EVs: 252 HP / 96 Def / 20 Spd / 140 SAtk
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Ice Beam
- Rest
- Thunderbolt
- Toxic

Standard flying / dragon / skarm counter.

Skarmory (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Sturdy
EVs: 252 HP / 38 Atk / 120 Def / 100 Spd
Impish Nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Hidden Power [Flying]
- Spikes
- Substitute
- Whirlwind

sup rock slides that hurt my precious zard

Umbreon (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Synchronize
EVs: 208 HP / 78 Def / 224 Spd
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Baton Pass
- Mean Look
- Taunt
- Wish

chaosbreon to kill weezing that wreck zard

how does it kill weezing? forgive me for being ignorant, but you've got no damaging moves at all. Other than that, I don't know about the nature, I don't use Umbreon... and please-give him a lum berry. If you've got Synchronize, use Lum. Trust me, it's fun as crazy, I do it with my Zam all the time.

Celebi @ Leftovers
Trait: Natural Cure
EVs: 240 HP / 212 Def / 56 SDef
Calm Nature (+SDef, -Atk)
- Heal Bell
- Perish Song
- Psychic
- Recover

yeah end reciever of chaosbreon ;)

Starmie @ Leftovers
Trait: Natural Cure
EVs: 68 HP / 240 Spd / 200 SAtk
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Ice Beam
- Rapid Spin
- Recover
- Surf

chaosbreon doesnt like spikes with its constant switching, plus it helps get rid of skarm

hhmmm... Starmie can learn t-bolt and psychic too, but otherwise, sure, that looks good. I don't ever use recover, but if it works for you, then go for it-i didn't think starmie had the defenses to back that up though. You may want to switch in a psychic/t-bolt instead, but it's up to you.

Charizard (M) @ Salac Berry
Trait: Blaze
EVs: 6 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Naughty Nature (+Atk, -SDef)
- Belly Drum
- Earthquake
- Fire Blast
- Rock Slide

Head honcho!!! yea!!! sweeps.

I use a version of this...

Charizard @ Salac Berry
Trait: Blaze
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Adamant nature (+Atk, -Satk)
- Belly Drum
- Substitute
- Heat Wave
- Hidden Power [Flying]

it works great for me.

rate / hate plzkthxbia

Good team-suggestions are in green.

Elly
11-07-2006, 02:45 PM
Chaosbreon outspeeds Weezing, Taunting any support moves Weezing tries to use(Haze/WoW/Pain Split), then traps it.

Near
11-07-2006, 02:56 PM
I prefer Overeath because I usually don't use it more than once before switching,
it got higher power [AND stab makes it even a bigger difference]
And 100% accuracy.
I just find random Rock Slides so much that I prefer to do a 210 rather
than die immediatly.

reapsoul964
11-07-2006, 06:33 PM
I prefer Overeath because I usually don't use it more than once before switching,
it got higher power [AND stab makes it even a bigger difference]
And 100% accuracy.
I just find random Rock Slides so much that I prefer to do a 210 rather
than die immediatly.

I agree with you there, BUT Bellyzard is meant to be out longer. He's not one to retreat.

stompatron
11-07-2006, 08:36 PM
1) Like Overblast said, and it passes to Celebi and it Perish Songs while Recovering any threats.

2) Overheat is 90%, and one I belly drum, i cant switch out unless i give it wish support, but that is easier said than done :/

3) I appreciate all these replies ^^ Thanks guys.

Near
11-08-2006, 04:38 AM
1) Like Overblast said, and it passes to Celebi and it Perish Songs while Recovering any threats.

2) Overheat is 90%, and one I belly drum, i cant switch out unless i give it wish support, but that is easier said than done :/

3) I appreciate all these replies ^^ Thanks guys.
2 - Yes, it is. Flamethrower has 100%, my bad.

HOWEVER, ReapSoul, he's also NOT supposed to use Special attacks.
With a maxed attack, the ONLY way you'll need to use it is when it's effective and the two other aren't.

I say, playtest it.
Do YOU think you'll max attack and actually use a special attack more than once?
That's the whole point - You won't.

stompatron
11-08-2006, 07:01 AM
Thats a good point. I'll playtest it.