Pokemon Discussion: Mew

[-Demosthenes-]

Mew. Sought after by collectors and battlers alike. Should this pokemon really be used for battling, though?

Its strengths include: ability to learn all moves; Synchronize; pure type.
Its weaknesses are : 600 total base stats; Variable S*; Ghost, Dark, and Bug

*Varaible S is a term I just made up that relates to Mew's ability to learn all moves. The "S" stands for "Surprise". What I mean by this is that Mew is a feared pokemon because no one can know what movesets it has. Once that moveset is revealed, Mew loses its element of Surprise, and becomes a generic weak stat Psychic-type, albeit with a funky moveset.

Discuss your thoughts on this pokemon, but no flame wars.

[shineyaltaria]

Good idea. I was hoping someone would start up a thread like this. I think you've brought up one of the most interesting points about Mew, that being the S factor, as you call it.

Rather than coming up with a standard moveset that pigeon-holes this pokemon, I feel the best approach to using it would be to try and abuse the S factor. Checking the IVs to see a particular Mew's genes would be important, and could lead to not only an idea for distributing Effort, but also a moveset that works along with the individual stats/IVs/Effort best.

In all cases I can think of though, Max Speed would be an essential element that goes along with Surprise. It would be interesting to have a sweeper Mew for example, with 4 different type attacks that cover the a maximun number of the 17 types. FTG attacks alone are SE against 5 types, so you can see where I'm going with this. Could be a Phy/ Sp/ or even mixed sweeper.

Then there are some other very interesting possiblities. BPer? Wall? Tank? Just about any role, even a near-broken mind-reading OHKOer. Meh. Just thinking out loud. Hopefully there will be some good discussion here, it has been so seldom discussed in any real detail. Mew deserves it, and now that a bunch of us have one, maybe some helpful info will come out of this. Thanks again for starting this thread.

[darkdragon81]

i agree with you on the s factor idea. mew has the same stats as celebi and celebi is used with great success (for those that know how). the ability to have a celebi that knows any and every move has now started my brain going. you can do so many things with this little pink poke, especially in netbattle, where almost everything is generic. i dont agree with you on the max speed thing shiney altaria, and thats because since mew has the biggest movepool in the game, you can easily make it into anything you want, tank, staller, sweeper, annoyer, etc. mews typing helps it a little by giving it stabbed psychics, but doesnt factor in anywhere else except for in weaknesses. but with the appropriate moveset it can take anything. mew can give you that edge to help beat those one or two pokes that counter your team. its basically a wild card, what ever you want it to be.

[stompatron]

I find mew very strange. It has low stats, but considered Uber due to its immense move pool. So, it sucks in Ubers, but banned from Standard. Very wierd little guy.

When using him in ubers, you obviously want him to be a tank. Like, a special attacker. Therefore, I find 220 HP / 252 SAtk / 36 Def appropiate, at least thats what I use. Sometimes I need to add more speed incase of the point where I need to counter Groudon, and thats where I make him more Sponge oriented. 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 speed. This makes him able to take hits from groudon reletively easy (compared to most things in the game). He is very unpredictable, but his problem is it just doesnt make up for his reletively horrid stats (for uber).

If he were unbanned in Standard, he would dominate. No questions asked. He laerns almost every move in the whole game, and can counter anything it needs to. This is what makes Mew the strangest pokemon. Sucks in its own metagame, but one lower its a monster, uncounterable.

[GamesTesterJan]

I think a Mew works best as a Baton Passer, basically you could use Belly drum then Baton Pass to any desired pokemon to sweep.

I would consider this moveset to be usefull Baton Pass/Belly Drum/Leech Seed/Roar.

Mew is a great Pokemon however it should probably not be used for real battles, I dont like the use of Legendary Pokemon. Jan

[-Demosthenes-]

Mew is a great Pokemon however it should probably not be used for real battles, I dont like the use of Legendary Pokemon. Jan

This always seems to be a "hot topic" here on Pojo's. No one seems to like using Legendaries or Ubers. Huh. Could almost write another thread on this...

The S variable/factor/whatever is a blessing and a curse. I agree with all of you that Mew is awesome for its extensive movepool and huge element of surprise, but like I said earlier, once that moveset is found out, Mew loses most of its power in battle.

Its weak stats keep it oh so close from being an excellent pokemon.

However, I think that with the right moveset, even after Mew loses the surprise, it can still be a formidable opponent.

Tank; BPer; Special Sweeper; even a Physical Sweeper. Mew definately is a strange little guy.

[pokemetal]

i dont like mew its all the same as the other legendaries

[stompatron]

I think a Mew works best as a Baton Passer, basically you could use Belly drum then Baton Pass to any desired pokemon to sweep.

I would consider this moveset to be usefull Baton Pass/Belly Drum/Leech Seed/Roar.

Mew is a great Pokemon however it should probably not be used for real battles, I dont like the use of Legendary Pokemon. Jan
Mew doesnt get Baton Pass.

[Shadowphoenix225]

Mew doesnt get Baton Pass.
It can in D/P. I don't think it can in R/S/E, as Mew can't be bred and BP is not a tm/hm.

[-Demosthenes-]

It can in D/P. I don't think it can in R/S/E, as Mew can't be bred and BP is not a tm/hm.

That's right. Mew can only be a BPer in D/P. Sad, Mew would be good for it...

[[2%]]

I dont like the use of Legendary Pokemon. Jan

I totally agree with you. Also because most legendaries don't really appeal to me, as I play with Pokemon I like.

Also, I used to test out against Mews way back when I was like 7 or something. I would battle my friend one-on-one, me with my lv100 Typhlosion, against a lv100 Mew. Whoever went first won. We could take out each other in 3 hits. lol

I agree with everyone here. Mew is a beast if you keep its moveset a surprise. If it had better stats it would dominate.

[Sephirtoh_Masamune]

Even with BPing Mew...we have Ninjask for BPing and he is OU and killed to the max...making a Legendary a BPer would just kill the whole thing. Although seeing it just once most likely won't hurt.

As with all Legendaries, they are great in their own ways...but you get really frowned upon by most for using them...because it's "cheap".

I say hey, if your good enough to come up with something original...and it works...then go with it. Just don't cheap out and do what everyone else does...that get's boring.

[Near]

I beleive Mew could learn it with the 'Sketch/Transform' trick, but I forgot
how it works.

Legendaries suck, and Ubers even more.

[DES.BLACK.DOOM.BUG]

the reason people dont use ubers much or use legendarys cause there are teams you see kids with also they ruin battles i rarely use legendarys or ubers

[Riazete]

i agree with you, but somethimes ubers can come in handy, especially in real trainer battles.

[Sephirtoh_Masamune]

Like I said, it all comes down to originality. If you can pwn me with an über team...good...great...lovely

But if you can pwn me with an ORIGINAL über team...then congrats you get my respect.

[-Demosthenes-]

Like I said, it all comes down to originality. If you can pwn me with an über team...good...great...lovely

But if you can pwn me with an ORIGINAL über team...then congrats you get my respect.

What exactly do you mean by an "original uber team"? There's no such thing as an original uber lol.

[overkill]

What exactly do you mean by an "original uber team"? There's no such thing as an original uber lol.

Ubers with original movesets.

This S facter idea was exactly what I was going for with my Mew. My Mew is going to have:

Facade
Psychic
Skill Swap
Swagger/Transform

This moveset is centered around abuseing Synchronize and is a Anti-Annoyer thing. I love tanks so therefore I hate annoyers. This Mew would be in my team and, if an annoyer comes out, I pull out my Mew and force it to poison/Paralyze me and then punish them for it. The "S" factor makes it how they don't know that I have this and they try and counter my tanks anyway.

[Sephirtoh_Masamune]

What exactly do you mean by an "original uber team"? There's no such thing as an original uber lol.
Of course originality can't be changed with a pokemon...except by movesets...and that's exactly what I meant.

I meant to be original with your moves to make it an über that has never really been seen before. With moves people don't normally use...or rather UU moves...lol

Like certain pokemon are UU...and certain ones are OU...

I just like to see creative teams that work...ya know.

[infinitejusticex19a]

Actually, the S-factor can be used over and over until a certain extent, because you can keep changing it's moveset after all. However, it's over once you run out of creativity. It's stats can still be considered better than average so I would say this is a very good pokemon.