Hmmmmm, I noticed something

[Wynn Notus]

Well, I noticed something interesting when I raised my Scizors. One had a nature that dropped Defense for Attack, and it ended up with a 391 Attack power.

The other one Dropped Speed for Attack and it only has a 345 attack power.

So my Question is, when you choose the nature of your pokemon, does its stats raise better if you drop a good stat for another good stat, or are my scizors weird?

[-Demosthenes-]

Your Scizors have different attack IVs.

[Wynn Notus]

Your Scizors have different attack IVs.

IVs? I know they were raised in the Exact same way. Exactly the same. I dont remember IVs. What are they?

[Near]

They are born with those specific IVs and they won't change, unlike EVs.

Learn about them like this guy did, read it at Serebii.net 'Game Mechanics' section.

[Wynn Notus]

They are born with those specific IVs and they won't change, unlike EVs.

Learn about them like this guy did, read it at Serebii.net 'Game Mechanics' section.

oh all right, it will only be the 5th page I have open.......record for me, I usually only have 3 pages open at once......lol

[-Demosthenes-]

They are born with those specific IVs and they won't change, unlike EVs.


Ivs do change as a pokemon gains levels.

[Near]

Ivs do change as a pokemon gains levels.
Oh my bad then.

[Cecil64]

Ivs do change as a pokemon gains levels.

IVs are set in stone; stop spreading false information.

[-Demosthenes-]

IVs are set in stone; stop spreading false information.

No, they are not set in stone.

Ever notice that when you check IVs, you have an AVERAGE percentage of the value, with minimum and maximum values on either side?!?

When your pokemon gains levels that AVERAGE value may increase or decrease. You never know what the final IVs of a pokemon will be untill the pokemon is level 100.

Get your facts straight before you blame people of spreading false information.

[Wynn Notus]

IVs are set in stone; stop spreading false information.
I checked this myself, and the IVs do change. I have been raising my Cubone while playing with that calculator they provide.

[Cecil64]

Okay, I think you're confused.

The range of a Pokemon's stats is limited when it's at a lower level, so it can have a wide range of IVs for a certain stat. However, as its level increases and its stats increase with it, it becomes apparent what IV a Pokemon has. IVs are set in stone; they're just hard to find out when a Pokemon is at a lower level.

The calculations will be messed up if you've EV trained your Pokemon. Has your Cubone battled any other Pokemon?

PsyPoke is a bad site, but it confirms that IVs/DVs (which are the same thing) don't change:
http://www.psypokes.com/lab/dvguide.php

And here:
http://upc.pkmn.co.uk/games/rs/guides/id.html

Stop spreading misinformation, people.

[-Demosthenes-]

Okay, I think you're confused.

The range of a Pokemon's stats is limited when it's at a lower level, so it can have a wide range of IVs for a certain stat. However, as its level increases and its stats increase with it, it becomes apparent what IV a Pokemon has. IVs are set in stone; they're just hard to find out when a Pokemon is at a lower level.

PsyPoke is a bad site, but it confirms that IVs/DVs (which are the same thing) don't change:
http://www.psypokes.com/lab/dvguide.php

Stop spreading misinformation, people.

Please. You stop spreading misinformation.

I will never take advice from a person who got his information off of a website that you yourself said was bad!

When you check IVs, there is an average value, 0-31. On either side is a minimum and maximum value for that IV at its current state.
As your pokemon increases in level, the IV will increase and decrease. Once again, IVs are not set in stone.

However, through the use of the IV calculator, an an estimated value can be determined. You will never know the exact IV of a pokemon until it is level 100. The IVs will continue to change until then.

[Wynn Notus]

Okay, I think you're confused.

The range of a Pokemon's stats is limited when it's at a lower level, so it can have a wide range of IVs for a certain stat. However, as its level increases and its stats increase with it, it becomes apparent what IV a Pokemon has. IVs are set in stone; they're just hard to find out when a Pokemon is at a lower level.

The calculations will be messed up if you've EV trained your Pokemon. Has your Cubone battled any other Pokemon?

PsyPoke is a bad site, but it confirms that IVs/DVs (which are the same thing) don't change:
http://www.psypokes.com/lab/dvguide.php

And here:
http://upc.pkmn.co.uk/games/rs/guides/id.html

Stop spreading misinformation, people.

um, isnt Serebii an OFFICIAL pokemon site? I mean, how often have they misinformed anyone?

[-Demosthenes-]

um, isnt Serebii an OFFICIAL pokemon site? I mean, how often have they misinformed anyone?

I have never been misinformed by Serebii. I believe it to be 100% correct. I would never trust a backwater website like Psypokes.com

And yes, it is as official a pokemon website as www.pokemon.com

[Near]

Please. You stop spreading misinformation.

I will never take advice from a person who got his information off of a website that you yourself said was bad!

When you check IVs, there is an average value, 0-31. On either side is a minimum and maximum value for that IV at its current state.
As your pokemon increases in level, the IV will increase and decrease. Once again, IVs are not set in stone.

However, through the use of the IV calculator, an an estimated value can be determined. You will never know the exact IV of a pokemon until it is level 100. The IVs will continue to change until then.
I don't like you saying stuff like 'Don't spread false information' when you do stuff like, suggesting a Calm Mind for a Dragonite.

I do trust Serebii more than any site.

[-Demosthenes-]

I don't like you saying stuff like 'Don't spread false information' when you do stuff like, suggesting a Calm Mind for a Dragonite.

I do trust Serebii more than any site.

That calm mind was a spur of the moment SUGGESTION it was in no way "misinformation" It was a suggestion, and should be treated as such.

[Wynn Notus]

That calm mind was a spur of the moment SUGGESTION it was in no way "misinformation" It was a suggestion, and should be treated as such.

???? How does Dragonite even learn it?

[Near]

That calm mind was a spur of the moment SUGGESTION it was in no way "misinformation" It was a suggestion, and should be treated as such.
You really have problems admiting mistakes, don't you?

It WAS a misinformation, because it might have made people [especially the thread starter] beleive Dragonite can learn it.

[-Demosthenes-]

You really have problems admiting mistakes, don't you?

It WAS a misinformation, because it might have made people [especially the thread starter] beleive Dragonite can learn it.

I don't have problems admitting mistakes, but thanks for telling me that Dragonite can't learn Calm Mind. I had no idea.

Like I said, it was a spur of the moment suggestion and I should have checked first on whether Dragonite can learn Calm Mind.

I'm going to edit my previous post.

[Wynn Notus]

Please, no more warring. I dont want to see you guys banned after you helped me.

[DES.BLACK.DOOM.BUG]

can u tell me wot the following mean plz
STAB?
IVS?
EVS?

[Near]

can u tell me wot the following mean plz
STAB?
IVS?
EVS?
STAB is basically a bonus of 50% for the attack's base power a Pokemon gets for using an attack of his type.
Meaning a Dragon Pokemon will get a 50% boost for Dragon Claw, since they are both Dragon Type, thus making it 120 base power instead of 80.
[150% of 80 = 120] [half of 80 = 40, 80 + 40 = 120]

You can read about IVs & EVs here:
http://www.serebii.net/games/ivs.shtml
http://www.serebii.net/pokedex-rs/ev.shtml

If you have any questions, I'll try to answer [or someone will]

By the way, STAB stands for Same Type Attribute Bonus, if my memory is correct.

[I learned all those things just from being around these boards some months ago]

[-Demosthenes-]

STAB is basically a bonus of 50% for the attack's base power a Pokemon gets for using an attack of his type.
Meaning a Dragon Pokemon will get a 50% boost for Dragon Claw, since they are both Dragon Type, thus making it 120 base power instead of 80.
[150% of 80 = 120] [half of 80 = 40, 80 + 40 = 120]

You can read about IVs & EVs here:
http://www.serebii.net/games/ivs.shtml
http://www.serebii.net/pokedex-rs/ev.shtml

If you have any questions, I'll try to answer [or someone will]

By the way, STAB stands for Same Type Attribute Bonus, if my memory is correct.

[I learned all those things just from being around these boards some months ago]

STAB is actually "Same Type Attack Bonus", but it doesn't really matter.

[DES.BLACK.DOOM.BUG]

ty breaker and othersgod these effort points isnt that hard to understand but
but the one about fighting dif pokemon give u certain points some plz explain

[-Demosthenes-]

ty breaker and othersgod these effort points isnt that hard to understand but
but the one about fighting dif pokemon give u certain points some plz explain

You kill pokemon that give you certain points in certain stats.

HP (http://64.72.117.249/pokedex-rs/hp.shtml)
Attack (http://64.72.117.249/pokedex-rs/attack.shtml)
Defense (http://64.72.117.249/pokedex-rs/defense.shtml)
Speed (http://64.72.117.249/pokedex-rs/speed.shtml)
Sp.Attack (http://64.72.117.249/pokedex-rs/s-attack.shtml)
Sp.Defense (http://64.72.117.249/pokedex-rs/s-defense.shtml)

Read and be merry.

[Shadowphoenix225]

Well, I noticed something interesting when I raised my Scizors. One had a nature that dropped Defense for Attack, and it ended up with a 391 Attack power.

The other one Dropped Speed for Attack and it only has a 345 attack power.

So my Question is, when you choose the nature of your pokemon, does its stats raise better if you drop a good stat for another good stat, or are my scizors weird?

Exactly the same way? Then I take it you took care to record the evs gained. If so, then the two pokemon have different ivs in the attack statistic. As for ivs, they are truly set, but the actual visible stats are affected by the averages of the ivs right up until about level 100. If you straight rare candy a guy to 100, then check it, you can get extremely accurate values for ivs. However, the visible stats are always based on averages, though the ivs themselves are set. At high levels, the averages tend towards one direction or another, shifting the percents so that at lv 100, it is likely that the calculated ivs of a pokemon are 99% accurate or more.

[-Demosthenes-]

Well, I noticed something interesting when I raised my Scizors. One had a nature that dropped Defense for Attack, and it ended up with a 391 Attack power.

The other one Dropped Speed for Attack and it only has a 345 attack power.

So my Question is, when you choose the nature of your pokemon, does its stats raise better if you drop a good stat for another good stat, or are my scizors weird?

The way I see it is that your first scizor had an attack IV of 29-31

Your second Scizor probably had one of 15-20

If you EVd improperly, that be one of the main contributing factors.

[Shadowphoenix225]

The way I see it is that your first scizor had an attack IV of 29-31

Your second Scizor probably had one of 15-20

If you EVd improperly, that be one of the main contributing factors.
Precisely. Without a record of ev gain, final growth and stats at lv 100 are almost worthless.

[-Demosthenes-]

Precisely. Without a record of ev gain, final growth and stats at lv 100 are almost worthless.

Which is why if you are serious about raising decent pokemon you will take natures, IVs, EVs, and all that other important stuff into account.

[Shadowphoenix225]

Which is why if you are serious about raising decent pokemon you will take natures, IVs, EVs, and all that other important stuff into account.
True. This thread was originally concerned about two existing scythers, so I simply looked at stats that could be altered for existing pokemon. Believe me when I say that I know that natures, IVs, EVs, and even GVs are important.

[-Demosthenes-]

True. This thread was originally concerned about two existing scythers, so I simply looked at stats that could be altered for existing pokemon. Believe me when I say that I know that natures, IVs, EVs, and even GVs are important.

They were Scizors and what the heck are GVs?

[Shadowphoenix225]

They were Scizors and what the heck are GVs?
Lol, but Scizors can be important too ;)
GV= Gender Value. I believe certain articles on www.gamefaq.com could explain it better than myself.

[-Demosthenes-]

Lol, but Scizors can be important too ;)
GV= Gender Value. I believe certain articles on www.gamefaq.com could explain it better than myself.

Gee, thanks for the link to Gamefaqs' home page. -_-'
I'm feeling lazy right now, so where is this alleged article describing GVs?

[Shadowphoenix225]

Gee, thanks for the link to Gamefaqs' home page. -_-'
I'm feeling lazy right now, so where is this alleged article describing GVs?
http://db.gamefaqs.com/portable/gbadvance/file/pokemon_rs_move_team.txt
The link shouldn't work though, as Gamefaqs doesn't allow direct linking to articles. The article is by stawhat.

[-Demosthenes-]

http://db.gamefaqs.com/portable/gbadvance/file/pokemon_rs_move_team.txt
The link shouldn't work though, as Gamefaqs doesn't allow direct linking to articles. The article is by stawhat.

Thank you. Moving this link to my sticky.