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Player Hater

09-27-2006, 01:25 PM

Hmmm....

Joyride announces that the highly sought after Transmutation binder, originally selling for $50, is now down to $30. What does that say about the collectibility/popularity of the game? How would someone, who shelled out $50 just a month ago at GenCon, feel about them being marked down so quickly thereafter?

Hmmmmm......

Beanbowa

09-28-2006, 06:21 AM

Player Hater

09-28-2006, 12:01 PM

I honestly don't mind because I've had mine and been able to use it for over a month now. Companies generally do this with convention exclusive material that they had left over when the convention season ends. When Wizkids used Galactus as thier Con Exclusive you have to purchase $100 worth of other things to get him at first, then when it was over you could buy him for around $50. And they had Phoenix that was the same way then they put them on sale for $30 each. Lowering the price of Convention Exclusive material is what every game company tends to do. People know and understand if you buy convention exclusive stuff all it does is allow you to have it before everyone else can get it at usually a premium price for doing so.

But the Galactus that you mention now sells easily for $175-200 in the aftermarket. It appreciated in value, and marketedly so.

I agree that convention promotions are typically more expensive at Cons. But seeing a 1/2 off firesale only 6 weeks later? I'm guessing that they didn't sell as well at diecastexpress as they had expected.

ffseriesfan

09-28-2006, 01:06 PM

The transmutation binders were first released at conventions in March... so they've been around for a while.

A majority of their sales are probably from conventions and not Diecastexpress... I'm sure when they released the binder online, a bunch of people rushed out to get them since they couldn't attend any conventions...

Still, there have been no shortage on them and they were fairly easily to obtain (just ask a friend that's going...). Also, the cards in the binder are fairly old now so that might have prompted the price change.

Would I have been pissed if I bought the binder at full price a month ago? Nope, because the cards and the binder itself are definitely worth that price (especially the Dante). At $30, it just makes the binder more worth it.

Player Hater

10-02-2006, 02:23 PM

ffseriesfan

10-02-2006, 04:33 PM

OR, it's because FMA simply ISN'T SELLING!

BOXES of Premier going for less than $30 on the secondary market???

NO demand for the binders

Add to that ZERO web presence (check out the Joyride or EssentialFMA sites for proof that nobody cares about or is talking about this dead game).

Actually, there were record sales for the last 2 expansion sets for FMA (A Hero's Passing and Alchemist's Gate). More people showed up to the Alchemist's Gate pre-release that I hosted and even bought more stuff.

Boxes of premier for less than $30? Good! Players who joined later or want to join are able to obtain those cards easier so they don't have to trade all their new stuff away to get it. I think it's great. Premier was an awesome set with great stuff. You also have to remember that premier was the very first set of FMA... so it makes since that it would go down (I mean take a look at YGO, the earlier sets like MRD, PSV, MRL are dirt cheap).

No demand for binders? I'm sure Joyride has sold plenty of binders. Did they make too much and now they're trying to get rid of them all? Could be, but that just encourages newer players to get the exclusive cards For veteran players, it just means that they can get more of the cards that they've been wanting (let's say they traded them away and want another set). For me, I can actually just go out, buy one and use it as a tournament prize (believe me, people want these binders, they're cool).

No web presence? I agree with you there in the fact that it's only limited to a few sites. The game is dead and no one is talking? Take another look at the Joyride forums... there are plenty of people talking, and with a new expansion coming out (Seven Deadly Sins) soon, they'll be more talking.

One last thing... you obviously don't play the game so why do you care so much about it? I mean, you even know how much the boxes cost and how much the binder is going for... Maybe you do have some attachment towards this game... lol :rolleyes:

miller1119

10-04-2006, 09:27 AM

Samurai Jack

10-04-2006, 11:46 AM

I bought one. I nevery really thought about them untill I saw that, and then I was like, "MUST BUY!"

imperialx5

10-06-2006, 02:24 AM

Whys that guy even here if he doesn't care about the game...

JasonWinter

10-16-2006, 07:30 AM

Apparently, I once pooped in his corn flakes, though I don't remember it.

ffseriesfan

10-16-2006, 10:23 AM

Apparently, I once pooped in his corn flakes, though I don't remember it.

Dammit Jason.... >.<

SDS Pre-releases coming up! Who's going to them? :D

Player Hater

11-07-2006, 07:24 AM

Dammit Jason.... >.<

SDS Pre-releases coming up! Who's going to them? :D

From looking at the Pre Release threads on the FMA site....not many!!!!

And now word that Joyride has been SOLD!!! Ouch!! The collectibles end goes down over 20% (year to date). Double ouch!!

Read about it here: http://www.icv2.com/articles/home/9580.html

And nobody poops in da Hater's cereal! Although, the way the FMA boyz dealt with some of the potential buyers/players at GenCon this year, you'd of thought the boyz had some less than tasty morsels in THEIR breakfast of champions!:cool:

Hater OUT!

ffseriesfan

11-07-2006, 10:33 AM

Actually those numbers are typical for pre-releases for FMA.

If you want to talk about failure... go look up the pre-release numbers for YGO for Cyberdark Impact... they were horrible -_-;;

I seriously wouldn't care who owns the game... As long as they keep producing the cards until the end of the series, I could care less.

mølla

11-17-2006, 12:55 PM

are all 39 of your posts from dissing the FMA game...if it were dead people wouldn't still be playing it and Joyride wouldn't be releasing expansions. Clearly they are making money from the game or it would have ceased a while ago. Go take your pessimism to another game that is truly dead, like Duel Masters.
duel masters is surely much more popular than fma will ever be,so don`t come here talking about something ya don`t know,just look at it`s dedicated fan base it`s 70 stores around the country that helds tourneys every week or every 2nd week with a minimum of 15 players,
sets and promotions is going on, articles still pops up in magazine we have 4 different types of supported events from wizards of the coast,and all this even thought wotc forgot to print the 12th set,(will be released december 1st instead of end of october:rolleyes: ) just so ya know..

and for FMA i don`t think it`s dead they still have a big dedicated fan-base that show up on events and buys the cards.

miller1119

11-17-2006, 09:49 PM

I played DM from Day 1, when Wizards started giving out Magic decks for prizes...I knew it was over. It may be sustaining itself now, but it will be over soon. I loved DM, but Wizards threw it in the garbage...don't tell me I don't know anything about Duel Masters...I was once ranked 9th in the world in that game, I'm surprised you don't remember me from other DM sites. I certainly remember you from Duel Zone...

Player Hater

12-21-2006, 01:59 PM

and for FMA i don`t think it`s dead they still have a big dedicated fan-base that show up on events and buys the cards.

Yeah, that dedicated fan-base is absolutely SATURATING the Internet with their activity. One can hardly remember any CCG in recent memory with the excitement and buzz that FMA has.:rolleyes:

ffseriesfan

12-21-2006, 04:43 PM

Ok...

You do realize that the pojo forums aren't just for FMA forums. There are much more popular card games on this forum (YGO, VS, Magic, and others) and this is but a small section on the board.

Most of the internet activity is where...? The main FMA TCG forums. Wouldn't that be natural?

Is the FMA TCG based around a dedicated fan base? Yes. Is the FMA TCG based around a dedicated fan base? Yes. Is the FMA TCG based around a dedicated fan base? Yes. Is the FMA TCG based around a dedicated fan base? Yes. Is the FMA TCG based around a dedicated fan base? Yes.

I'm so glad that I cleared that up.

haven

12-22-2006, 03:59 PM

*Blows up thread with dynamite*

retched

01-25-2007, 06:55 PM

Not to add fuel to an outrageously funny fire... but ouch! Someone just served.

In response to the $30... Cool beans... Not I get to have nine (?) cards from a Transmute binder that I otherwise I would never have been able to get from the packs.

Plus add in the fact that my store is selling packs for $2.00 damn that's cool.

FMA = Cheapest card game to date...

PlayerHater = Go back to the YGO/MTG/Spoils forums and stay... please. Otherwise I'm just going to have to laugh so hard in my chair each time you get served... HARD!

Player Hater

01-30-2007, 10:57 AM

Ok...

Most of the internet activity is where...? The main FMA TCG forums. Wouldn't that be natural? .

Well, if that's TRULY where the majority of internet activity is (and it is), then it says volumes about the state of FMA. How many threads a day they get? How many hits? The popularity there is staggering.

Is the FMA TCG based around a dedicated fan base? Yes. Is the FMA TCG based around a dedicated fan base? Yes. Is the FMA TCG based around a dedicated fan base? Yes. Is the FMA TCG based around a dedicated fan base? Yes. Is the FMA TCG based around a dedicated fan base? Yes.

I'm so glad that I cleared that up.

So, whatcha trying to say there? Because I never stated otherwise (to my knowledge). Yes, the only ones playing are the dedicated fan base. They're the only ones who KNOW about FMA CCG.

And retched, yes, FMA is the cheapest game out there. $2.00 is twice as much as I'm seeing it for, but still way below retail. $20/boxes on the web and $2.00 packs in the stores. That's the sign of a healthy game?

Nearly half as many pre-releases for the upcoming release as the previous (at least, according to the official FMA site). Dang, the game's just growing like wildfire! I stand corrected.

Enjoy your game, boys.

out

ffseriesfan

01-30-2007, 01:18 PM

Well, if that's TRULY where the majority of internet activity is (and it is), then it says volumes about the state of FMA. How many threads a day they get? How many hits? The popularity there is staggering.

So I guess you'll compare the FMA TCG to other games like YGO, Magic, VS or the like? Yes, the game isn't THAT popular. We never said the game is or would be.

So, whatcha trying to say there? Because I never stated otherwise (to my knowledge). Yes, the only ones playing are the dedicated fan base. They're the only ones who KNOW about FMA CCG.

And yet, I couldn't get that into your head until a couple of posts ago. Think about it... dedicated fan base = ? Definitely not popularity, so I don't see why you have to keep pushing that the game isn't popular. If the game is only being played by the dedicated fans then it would make sense that not many other people would play the game.

Nearly half as many pre-releases for the upcoming release as the previous (at least, according to the official FMA site). Dang, the game's just growing like wildfire! I stand corrected.

Please tell me WHERE anyone stated that this game was "growing like wildfire". You admit that the game is only played by dedicated fans and that the game isn't that popular... So if you know all that... why keep trying to prove a point that the game isn't as popular as YGO or Magic? The facts are there.

And also for your info:

1. Sacrifice could well be one of the last expansions for FMA (since the movie is all that's left). I'm sure they could do more, but we'll see.

2. Lowered prices on old sets? Makes sense. I'm sure a lot of companies have some old stock and want to get rid of it since not too many people buy it. This is true for all card games.

3. And lastly... about slashing prices. If I bought something from a store and find out that the next month it's cheaper? Sucks for me. Either I really wanted it that bad or I just wasn't patient enough. Just take a look at computer technology. You can buy a computer for a certain price and look back in a month and it's like a few hundred dollars cheaper. Granted that that's an extreme example... it still holds true to card games (at a slower rate).

retched

02-09-2007, 12:29 PM

Well, if that's TRULY where the majority of internet activity is (and it is), then it says volumes about the state of FMA. How many threads a day they get? How many hits? The popularity there is staggering.

Ok... Let's take a look at Alexa.com stats...

FMA-TCG reports a total 400,000 page hits and 450,000 on average in the last three.

You do the math.

So, whatcha trying to say there? Because I never stated otherwise (to my knowledge). Yes, the only ones playing are the dedicated fan base. They're the only ones who KNOW about FMA CCG.

That's because look at what Magic has... Magic has a commercial that randomnly airs on Cartoon Network and the [adult swim]. Look what Duel Masters had... a CARTOON revolving around the game on the Cartoon Network. Don't even start me on Yugioh... Yugioh had a full blown cartoon series which just got extended airing on broadcast TV and Cable TV. What did FMA TCG have? A few print articles and magazine advertisements. Little to no TV advertisements. Hmm, right. Who gets the most public views in media in general? "Gee, I dunno retched, I think FMA had..." NO! The other TCGs that are funded by the bigger names in the industry.

How did I find out about the FMA card games, cause I read the card gaming magazines!

And don't give me that drama about "Oh they should've waited."

Other cards that the store near sells that were once wildly popular ended up on my stores $1.00 rack. Namely Conan, Duel Masters (all singles are half off too), Avatar, Shaman King (good move UDE, make a game exclusive to Blockbuster), Hecatomb (AND THIS GAME HAD A CHANCE!!), and several others.

Don't get too hype on Versus system because except for their new sets, their singles are all marked half off in that same store too!

And retched, yes, FMA is the cheapest game out there. $2.00 is twice as much as I'm seeinwg it for, but still way below retail. $20/boxes on the web and $2.00 packs in the stores. That's the sign of a healthy game?

As the game gets older, who wants to still pay $4.00 for a card set that is still widely available. In YGO, you have to pay $6.00 for a booster pack for a card set that sold years ago. Why? Cause UDE stopped printing them while JRE still has them in limited production. Simply supply and demand rule there. High supply, low demand, lower the price = FMA packs at $2.00. Low supply, extremely high demand for a card set that includes some very rare deck staples = $6.00 - $7.00 booster packs for a set that came out a while ago.

Nearly half as many pre-releases for the upcoming release as the previous (at least, according to the official FMA site). Dang, the game's just growing like wildfire! I stand corrected.

The game isn't meant for those that like brainless games to come in and play. You can't just pick up a FMA deck and think that you're top dog just because you watched the anime series run on the Cartoon Network or if you watched the movie. So since the game isn't too inviting to such players, nobody is going to want to play. But wait there are still people that play Epic Battles, Inuyasha, dotHACK for crying out loud and those sets aren't doing to good. Why? Takes us back to the dedicated fan base argument.

When FMA came out, people gave it a shot. Then they said, "This game isn't for me" and left. No problem. But here's something you probably know already, FMA has a dedicated demo team and staff (you met Jason already). When I went to an anime convention last year and they had a FMA TCG demo session, the person running skipped out while I stayed. What did I do to the fifteen people that showed up afterward, I demoed the game to them and said "Hey thanks for playing. You know what, here's some promos AND here's how to build a deck around them." So that day FMA probably lost five players in some part of the world, but that day I at least taught a few more and gave them something worthwhile.

When you played YGO, and you got beaten in the face by the person who taught you to play, what did you get? Another beating in the face in the next game. I'm pretty sure that person didn't whip out their rares and say here use these next time. No sir, you played your Monster Reborn, they Waboku-ed, and hit you with Raigeki/Fissure/Torrential Tribute/or some other field control card.

So why do people still play? You answer me on that one.

Why do you still like coming in here being a 40-year (?) whos only posts came from bad mouthing a card game on a site that is mostly run for younger players? The world may never know.

Enjoy your game, boys.

out

No sir after you.