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Village Dag
05-08-2004, 07:15 PM
When they do the 4th movie, in Moody's class, they will have to say Harry escaped Avada Kedavra twice. In the book it's once. If you don't know what I mean, in the 2nd movie, Lucius Malfoy tried it on Harry but was cut short by Dobby. What are your perspectives on this probable error?
shk-thrall
05-08-2004, 09:26 PM
Lucius Malfoy wasnt going to use Avra Kadavra on harry. It's unknown what he was going to use, dont just assume.
Betelgeux
05-08-2004, 09:34 PM
It would be extreme for Lucius to kill Harry on Hogwarts ground, mere feet from Dumbledore's office, wouldn't it? Everyone would know it was him and he'd be put away.

Not a very logical plot filler, is it?
WoodenCoyote
05-08-2004, 10:33 PM
I doubt they'll even bring it up in the movie, hoping no-one will notice.
Village Dag
05-09-2004, 01:49 AM
Lucius Malfoy wasnt going to use Avra Kadavra on harry. It's unknown what he was going to use, dont just assume.

Actually, when he's running towards Harry he hisses Avada. It's offical. I'm not kidding.
RCG_
05-09-2004, 02:23 AM
Yeah I definitely heard Avada, but remember, Harry's the only one to ever survive Avada Kadavra...Lucius didn't actually do the spell. Had he done it, Harry probably would have died if it hit him.
hplotr23
05-09-2004, 08:28 AM
yeah malfoy didn't finish the curse, so you can't even say harry survived it twice...
DementedMisfitBoy
05-09-2004, 07:46 PM
Besides, how would Moody and everyone else know? It's not like Harry went around telling everybody. As far as the rest of the wizarding world knows, Harry escaped it once.
Ellimist211
05-22-2004, 03:00 AM
First of all, unless anyone else knows of a spell that begins with the incantation "Avada" I think it's a pretty safe bet Lucius was going to kill Harry in the second movie. Mind you, if there is indeed another one, I'll gladly take the correction.

On another note, I would also like to point out that the incantation was cut short. The curse was never finished, and therefor he technically only survived it once.
NevrMore
05-22-2004, 07:32 PM
Besides, how would Moody and everyone else know? It's not like Harry went around telling everybody. As far as the rest of the wizarding world knows, Harry escaped it once.


Besides that, in the second book harry didn't even know of the Avada Kadavra spell, so even if Lucius did use Avada Kadvra and Harry did actually survive it, he couldn't tell anyone since he didn't know..
Village Dag
05-22-2004, 08:12 PM
Besides that, in the second book harry didn't even know of the Avada Kadavra spell, so even if Lucius did use Avada Kadvra and Harry did actually survive it, he couldn't tell anyone since he didn't know..

<pojo_ownz><pojo_ownz><pojo_ownz><pojo_ownz>! I forgot about that.
Betelgeux
05-22-2004, 08:28 PM
Would this mean that the spell is indeed blockable to some extent, if the incantation is never finished?
Slavik81
05-22-2004, 09:23 PM
Not really, it was never finished, and hense, never truely existed, though the threat of it did.
xtremelyhcman
05-23-2004, 09:54 AM
First of all, unless anyone else knows of a spell that begins with the incantation "Avada" I think it's a pretty safe bet Lucius was going to kill Harry in the second movie. Mind you, if there is indeed another one, I'll gladly take the correction.

On another note, I would also like to point out that the incantation was cut short. The curse was never finished, and therefor he technically only survived it once.

I'm wondering, since some of the stuff is Latin in the book, like the stuff found with Lupin being Latin words, if Avada could be anything?

Bah, checked and no luck...
DementedMisfitBoy
05-23-2004, 09:02 PM
OK...I've been wondering how many people caught the connection between "Avada Kedavera" and "Abra Kadabra."
WoodenCoyote
05-23-2004, 09:12 PM
Duh. The only way not to see that is if you've been living under a rock.
Village Dag
05-24-2004, 01:26 AM
Actually, Avada Kedavra comes from "adhada kedabra" which means "let the thing be destroyed."
Ellimist211
05-24-2004, 05:20 PM
Can I assume that's in Latin? :p

Seriously, though, Abra Kedabra is probably the same thing, more or less. =\
BerserkerAzn
05-24-2004, 06:07 PM
Can I assume that's in Latin?


That's no Latin I've seen...which is a lot. I have to translate Virgil's The Aeneid in class...I think I'd know...redite ad patriam. (go back to your country.)
Ellimist211
05-28-2004, 02:41 AM
Heh, I used to study Latin. I never got much farther than a few basic phrases.

I study Spanish now, which I speak fairly well for a beginning level.
Clare
05-28-2004, 07:15 AM
Here's something I found at http://www.hp-lexicon.org :

Avada Kedavra (uh-VAH-duh kuh-DAH-vruh)

"Killing Curse"

Aramaic: "adhadda kedhabhra" - "let the thing be destroyed".
NOTE: Abracadabra is a cabbalistic charm in Judaic mythology that is supposed to bring healing powers. One of its sources is believed to be from Aramaic avada kedavra, another is the Phoenician alphabet (a-bra-ca-dabra).

So, it seems the name Avada Kedavra came from Aramaic, which was the language Jesus and his Disciples spoke.
Detonator
05-28-2004, 07:24 PM
I thought it was just in the movie that he started saying avada kadavra. Can anyone get us a quote from the book caz i don't have mine right now it's at a friends?
Village Dag
05-28-2004, 10:38 PM
I thought it was just in the movie that he started saying avada kadavra. Can anyone get us a quote from the book caz i don't have mine right now it's at a friends?

It never said it in the book. All it said was that Lucius charged at Harry then got knocked down a flight of stairs by Dobby.
sydney rules 2
05-29-2004, 10:57 PM
dear god, JK continues to surprise me with her in-depth look into all the aspects of her books - Avada Kedavera => adhadda kedhabhra => let the thing be destroyed
who would have thunk it?
Arky
06-03-2004, 02:15 AM
Also, don't forget the similarities to the word "cadaver". A cadaver is a dead body...
Detonator
06-03-2004, 08:27 PM
That is interesting. I never thought of it that way.
trinity5_14
06-04-2004, 03:50 PM
I thought it was just in the movie that he started saying avada kadavra. Can anyone get us a quote from the book caz i don't have mine right now it's at a friends?

Straight from the book:

"Dobby has got a sock" said Dobby in disbelief. "Master threw it, and Dobby caught it, and Dobby - Dobby is free."
Lucious Malfoy stood frozen, staring at the elf. Then he lunged at Harry.
"You've lost me my servant, boy!"
But Dobby shouted "You shall not harm Harry Potter!"
There was a loud bang, and Mr. Malfoy was thrown backwards.

Fisrt off, in the book Malfoy says you've lost me my servant after he lunges (or during the lunge), and in the movie it's before he starts the curse. I would think that if he was trying to cast a spell while lunging, it would be difficult to shout. Also, I would interpret lunging to be a physical action, a movement to attack Harry physically, not magically, but that's just an interpretation. And, as stated earlier, during story 2, the students have not yet learned of the unforgivable curses, so Harry more than likely did not know the exact nature of the curse Malfoy was starting. Any other thoughts?

edit: I also just watched the movie last night with a friend and caught it for the first time. But then, my friend hasn't read the books (he's just into the movies), and I had just finished explaining the unforgivable curses to him and we're both like, "did he just say what I think he just said?", so we rewound and rewatched, and then I pulled the book out. It never ceases to amaze me how many times I can watch the movie and read the book, and still pick up on those details that I've never noticed before. There's something new I catch every time.