New Help Thread (See 1st Post for Index!)

[Sashiwa]

Altaria, I figured out why sometimes you can't change the Trendy Phrase. You can't use any phrase that's already been used.

[shineyaltaria]

Altaria, I figured out why sometimes you can't change the Trendy Phrase. You can't use any phrase that's already been used.

That's interesting. Thanks for posting. There may also be other reasons that we still have not identified.

As far as I know, nobody has figured out exactly what makes it change on its own. So the safest thing to do is change it right before you try catching Feebas, and check it every once and a while until you fish successfully---to make sure it hasn't changed on its own.

[Sashiwa]

Scratch that theory. I used Angry Beat and I tried to change it but it doesn't work...

[InterFed_OV]

I've translated the Visual Braille used in the puzzles to catch the Regi's. Here are my translations:

At the underwater entrance to the Sealed Chamber, it says [GO UP HERE]. Use Dive to resurface, and you'll be in a room with a bunch of rocks with more braille on them. These rocks are the answers to the braille coding. They are as follows:

[ABC] [DEF] [.]
[GHI] [JKL] [,]
[MNO] [PQRS]
[TUV] [WXYZ]

The braille on the north wall in this room says [DIG HERE]. Use Dig in front of this wall and the wall will collapse, granting passage to the next room.

The next room has six rocks in a circle. These rocks have the story of the Regi's on them. They read in correct order from top to bottom, left to right. They read as follows:

[IN THIS CAVE WE HAVE LIVED.] [WE OWE ALL TO THE POKEMON.]
[BUT, WE SEALED THE POKEMON AWAY.] [WE FEARED IT.]
[THOSE WITH COURAGE, THOSE WITH HOPE.] [OPEN A DOOR. AN ETERNAL POKEMON WAITS.]

The rock at the north wall is inscribed in braille with the words, [FIRST COMES RELICANTH. LAST COMES WAILORD.] If you have Relicanth in the first position in your party and Wailord in the sixth position, there will be an earthquake, and three doors will open. These doors are the Desert Ruins on Route 111, the Island Cave on Route 105, and the Ancient Tomb on Route 120.

Regirock's lair: Desert Ruins
The Desert Ruins are in the desert on Route 111. The braille puzzle reads: [RIGHT, RIGHT, DOWN, DOWN. THEN USE STRENGTH.] Walk two paces right and two paces down and use Strength. The wall will collapse and you can catch Regirock.

Regice's lair: Island Cave
The Island Cave is located on Route 105 just southwest of Petalburg City. Regice's braille puzzle reads: [STOP AND WAIT. WAIT FOR TIME TO PASS TWICE.] This one you'll just have to wait out. After about two to five minutes, the wall will collapse by itself. You can now catch Regice.

Registeel's lair: Ancient Tomb
The Ancient Tomb is at the end of Route 120 just before where the rain stops. Registeel's braille puzzle reads: [WITH NEW TIME, HOPE AND LOVE, AIM TO THE SKY IN THE MIDDLE.] This one is the most confusing. I had to multi-check this one after the fact. Basically, stand in the exact center of the room (four paces down from the braille), and use Fly. The wall will collapse, and Registeel becomes available for capture.


Battle Tips:
The Regi's are probably the worst three-pack Legendaries ever made, but they have their uses.

Regirock is probably the worst of the three, but if you really have to use him, he makes a half-decent physical attacker.
Regirock@Chesto/Lefties
Rock Slide/Ancientpower
Earthquake
Explosion
Rest/Curse

Regirock is also used as a physical wall.
Regirock@Chesto
Earthquake/Rock Slide
Curse
Rest
Explosion


Regice has decent special attack, and he gets good special moves like Ice Beam and Thunderbolt. He's sometimes used as a special attacker.
Regice@Chesto
Ice Beam
Thunderbolt
Explosion
Rest

But, Regice is more often used as a special wall.
Regice@Chesto
Ice Beam/Thunderbolt
Amnesia
Rest
Explosion


Registeel is a defensive tank. Curse/Iron Defense/Amnesia him all the way up, and he can absorb just about anything you can launch his way. Chesto Rest to fix status problems and if he gets a bit too many dings. Also good for annoyance. :p Go boom if you get yourself into trouble.
Registeel@Chesto/Lefties
Earthquake
Curse/Iron Defense
Rest/Amnesia
Explosion

[Kuiper]

How about adding how to get an é? As in café and Pokémon? Too often I see people spell it Poke'mon or something annoying like that.

"é" uses the ALT key combonation 0233. Hold ALT, press 0233, and release ALT.

[shineyaltaria]

I added a remark at the top of page one about the choice of going to gamefaqs for movesets. Got Movesets?

Fallen Ronin: For any symbol, I just go to WORD and click on Insert symbol. You'll see everything that is defined for each font/character set, like ©, é, á, etc.,
Got symbols?

[Kuiper]

Got symbols?
No, sadly.

Not all of us have word. Or a version of word we can understand. The desktop I'm using right now has word, but all the menus are in Chinese. (Man, I can not WAIT to get back to the States.) And I can't understand my 404 error message.

[wobmaster]

SA, in post 6, you said that zangoose gives attack evs. i think that they give sp df evs.

i just noticed this

[shineyaltaria]

SA, in post 6, you said that zangoose gives attack evs. i think that they give sp df evs.

i just noticed this

Hi wobmaster. I just checked the upnetwork pokedex and it says Zangoose gives 2 in Attack. Then I went to the serebii site and it says the same thing.

I've never re-played Ruby since it is my 'permanent cart', (I do all my training in Sapphire), but If you can prove both sites are wrong I'll update the post.

[jolteonjak]

Is pokefor.tk down?

[clown master]

Is pokefor.tk down?

No I just came from there.

[jolteonjak]

nm...I noticed the help on page 1.

[wobmaster]

Hi wobmaster. I just checked the upnetwork pokedex and it says Zangoose gives 2 in Attack. Then I went to the serebii site and it says the same thing.

I've never re-played Ruby since it is my 'permanent cart', (I do all my training in Sapphire), but If you can prove both sites are wrong I'll update the post.
okay. if those sites say it is then i guess that i need to update my handwritten EV tables. though i do remember Ev training against zangoose and nuzleak and wondering why my special defence was rising and not my attack...

though you could put for ruby players that to train in df and spdf at the same time, to battle duskull. when i make tanks my ev distribution is

252 HP 128df 128spdf

and duskull gives 1df and 1 spdf... or thats what my notes say...

[shineyaltaria]

okay. if those sites say it is then i guess that i need to update my handwritten EV tables. though i do remember Ev training against zangoose and nuzleak and wondering why my special defence was rising and not my attack.

It not likely that *both* sites are wrong but it *is* possible I guess. How about doing a test?

Vitamins can only be used for the first 100 effort points in any given stat since after that the pokemon will refuse to eat any more, even though you haven't hit the stat EP cap yet. So train against zangoose or nuzleaf to get 100 EPs and then see what it refuses to eat; protein or zinc. That should tell us for sure where the 100 effort points are applied. How's that for a test, think it will work?

[Kuiper]

Or just fight one Zangoose, and see if you can feed it ten Protein/Zinc.

I think this may perhaps be the longest thread on Pojo, though I'm not sure. I'd have to do some checking around and I'm kind of busy right now.
Edit: No, the Love and Relationship Thread in the Random Topic Center has 897 posts. (It's locked.)

[shineyaltaria]

I think this may perhaps be the longest thread on Pojo, though I'm not sure. I'd have to do some checking around and I'm kind of busy right now.Edit: No, the Love and Relationship Thread in the Random Topic Center has 897 posts. (It's locked.)

Love and Relationship thread ?!?! Uh, ok. Why not!

I expect that this thread will be referenced less and less as the newer versions come out, and don't really expect to do any more updating. Well, maybe I should correct the word 'shiney' LOL.

I don't see a need for another thread like this either since serebii has FR/LG very well covered from what I've seen. Maybe other sites do too.

The only thing that would make a new Help Thread (FR/LG or whatever) worth doing would be if there were a lot of things that the guides (official and online) didn't already have covered well. Then it would be helpful.

That was my biggest reason for doing this thread, and even though it was a pain sometimes, overall I guess it was worth the effort.

[Gamefreak]

wth means what the **** :/

[shineyaltaria]

wth means what the **** :/

Yeah I know but when I put in the right word I got like two lines of 'pojoownz' so I just used 'heck' instead.

[Kuiper]

I don't think the words "hell" and "damn" get picked up, even though a part of the word ******d is. Recently, they replaced "<pojo_ownz>" withh "*$" or "$*," I forget which. But yams is way better. "What the YAMS are you talking about?"

[wobmaster]

I don't think the words "hell" and "damn" get picked up, even though a part of the word ******d is. Recently, they replaced "<pojo_ownz>" withh "*$" or "$*," I forget which. But yams is way better. "What the YAMS are you talking about?"
i don't think ass is picked up either

but ***** and vs realms are! :confused:

and you could use this nifty vetical line in he|| right below backspace, lol

[shineyaltaria]

Ok you guys I updated that post. I even added a new one (ROFLMAO).

Hell didn't kick the pojoownz thing in after all.

[Kuiper]

You can get anything past the swear blocker. Just set one of the letters to be white.

[wobmaster]

Mods may delete this post. I sometimes spam when i'm feeling random and sarcastic.

Bad wobmaster. BAD!

[Kuiper]

What about IVs?

When you get a pokemon, 6 individual starting values from 0 – 31 are randomly assigned to each of the 6 stats. They are like genes and determine in large part what your pokemon's quality is. These numbers also determine things like rarity (Shiney) and what type of attack Hidden Power will be for that specific pokemon. To really be a good trainer, you need to understand IVs in detail. See the Trainer’s Checklist for more information.
Uh, shineyaltaria, if you're out there, please change this part of the Help Thread.

[shineyaltaria]

Uh, shineyaltaria, if you're out there, please change this part of the Help Thread.

Done! I remember checking my shiny Sableye's IVs and meant to change that FAQ answer but just forgot. Thanks, Fallen One.

[wobmaster]

Mods may delete this post.i'm such a bad little spammer.

bad wobmaster. bad!

[Kuiper]

whoa! the pro wrestling thread is now on top. (over 1000) :eek:that thread has stayed there since 1-25
Well, actually, WildWill did something kinda weird. Check it out for yourself.

[WildWill]

Really long threads tax our servers. We try to keep them at a minimum. All long threads will get locked at some point.

[clown master]

If this gets locked, I wonder if there will be another...

[wobmaster]

If this gets locked, I wonder if there will be another...
we just need to perfect it before it gets locked.

and someone else will have to test the EV that zangoose gives, because my ruby version was stolen *SOB*

i looked at your thread back in the deepest parts of this forum, and it says that zangoose gives sp df EVs, but serebii says it gives attack. :confused:

[shineyaltaria]

we just need to perfect it before it gets locked.

and someone else will have to test the EV that zangoose gives, because my ruby version was stolen *SOB*

i looked at your thread back in the deepest parts of this forum, and it says that zangoose gives sp df EVs, but serebii says it gives attack. :confused:

Deepest parts of this Forum???

Someone can do a simple test with the Zangoose thing--- Just fight one Zangoose with a new pokemon you get then see if it will take ten proteins or not. That'll tell you if the EPs went to AT or not. We were pretty careful putting together that section and if I remember right several different posters did actual tests and proved one of the online sites data incorrect. So until proven otherwise, I'll stand by what is posted on this thread for Effort distribution.

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For anyone interested, this thread is still getting views and being used as a help and reference. I can tell from the increase in views. When FR/LG came oput there were 8621 views, now there are 8841. Not too shabby. Since much of the info can be used for both R/S and FR/LG (like IVs EVs, Roles, etc) I expect that this thread will continue to be helpful. I don't expect it to grow much in terms of posts.

Deepest part of the Forum???

[Kuiper]

Deepest part of the Forum???
Ah... memories... (http://www.pojo.biz/board/forumdisplay.php?f=32&page=63&sort=lastpost&order=&pp=20&daysprune=-1)

Sometimes, when I'm soul searching, I'll go back to some of the old boards I used to visit and read all the posts from the beginning of time. I swear, I cried one time when looking over the past of DWM2 United forums. *sniff* I love you guys...

[wobmaster]

Ah... memories... (http://www.pojo.biz/board/forumdisplay.php?f=32&page=63&sort=lastpost&order=&pp=20&daysprune=-1)

Sometimes, when I'm soul searching, I'll go back to some of the old boards I used to visit and read all the posts from the beginning of time. I swear, I cried one time when looking over the past of DWM2 United forums. *sniff* I love you guys...
wow... i lookd at that page... i wanted to reply because absol made a mistake o_O in "help w/ lugia

what i meant by "deepest partr of the forums" is that it would have taken me a half hour to find it if i hadnt just clicked "find all posts by shineyaltaria" in your profile, lol

[shineyaltaria]

Ok, got it now. I've never used that 'find-all-post-by-whoever' feature, nor the buddy list thing (besides no one ever asked to be my buddy anyway) nor anything here other than just PMs and posting. Recently I went to the 'deeper' part of the FR/LG forum (really old threads) looking for something but that's about it.

I might use the last reserved post for Emerald (post #10), assuming the MODS put that game in with R/S and PC. We'll see.

[Kuiper]

You're on my buddy list, shineyaltaria.

BTW, mod isn't a TLA, it's short for moderator. Or did you create an accrostic? No doubt flattering, I'm assuming. ;)

[wobmaster]

You're on my buddy list, shineyaltaria.

BTW, mod isn't a TLA, it's short for moderator. Or did you create an accrostic? No doubt flattering, I'm assuming. ;)
how does the buddy list work? i read the FAQ but it made no sense to me.

and what is a TLA?

[Kuiper]

When you view someone's profile, there's a button that says "add to buddy list" or "add to ignore list." TLA is a TLA for Three Letter Acronym. Also The Lost Age in the context of GS (Golden Sun).

[wobmaster]

no, i mean what does the buddy list do?

i also am wondering what the best BPer of special attack is. there are lots of attack/speed passers, but i need a sp attack passer

[shineyaltaria]

no, i mean what does the buddy list do?


I entered a couple posters into my buddy list way back when the forum first opened but didn't notice anything happening as a result. So I'm not sure what the point of it is either. Maybe if you go back to it to look, it says if they are online or something IDK.

= = = = = =

I removed the comments that were after the link to the upnetwork site. That is the pokedex I always used when looking up a breeding chain.

Unfortunately, when you click on the pokedex now, you do not get all of the FR/LG pokemon yet though I think they are being added.

If anyone knows of another site that shows the actual breeding path/chain for egg moves please post.

Got Chains?

[Kuiper]

The buddy lists makes it easier to PM en massé. Or if you PM a particular user a lot, it's easier than finding a thread they posted in and clicking the drop down menu.

For special attack BPers, Umbreon, Espeon, Girafarig, Mr. Mime, are good for passing Calm Mind. And Volbeat is the only Pokemon besides Smeargle that gets Tail Glow (a special version of Swords Dance) and is lucky enough to also get Baton Pass!

[shineyaltaria]

I made a few small updates, including an update to post #10.

When Emerald comes out, will the Powers That Be add it to this forum, or another?

[wobmaster]

I made a few small updates, including an update to post #10.

When Emerald comes out, will the Powers That Be add it to this forum, or another?
i'll bet they will add it to this forum, seeing as it is a complementary game

i've come up with another question,lol. what category is wobbuffet(hahaha i learned how to spell it now!) in, in terms of sweeper, annoyer, etc. its not a tank, cause you want it to take damage, and it only lasts about five or so turns... i don't know if it would be a sweeper, because it needs to be attacked to destroy opponents... would it just be in its own category, like counterer?

[marhawkman]

I put wob into "Annoyer"

[shineyaltaria]

I put wob into "Annoyer"

I also think Woby can be annoying. It is a much more usable pokemon than in previous game generations due to its ability now. I guess you could also say it can be kind of a mixed sweeper since it can OHKO with Counter/Mirror Coat too. Lots of HP too. Give it a Lum for status problems.

Got Woby?

[Kuiper]

I put it in the catagory of "cheap" due to having a really cheap ability plus all the amazing things it can do with Encore. I swear, it's worse than Blissey.

I think Wobby needs a Wish passer to stay alive. Yet another use for Eons.

[wobmaster]

i have solved Absol's long standing question of EV's, if a wild poke KO's your poke, and yuo catch it, does it get the EVs.

what i did was i went to rt 104, and caught a zig. then, i found another zig, let it KO mine, and then caught it. i brought it to slateport, bought 10 carbos, or whatever the speed boosters are, and fed them to the zig, which i named EVtester so i wouldnt feed them to the wrong ziggy. he took them all.

in conclusion- even if a wild poke KOs five of your pokes, you still have complete control over its EVs. :)

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if someone has Ruby, then go and battle a zangoose with a poke with no EVs. then feed it 10 sp df/attack vitamins. then post which one it took 10 of. it shouldn't take more that 10 minutes, so you should find some tiime to do it eventually :)

[shineyaltaria]

Good work, wobmaster. Too bad Absol doesn't come round anymore. He was very helpful.

Edit: I did the test by fighting 2 Zangoose with a new pokemon. It ate 10 Proteins, but then also ate 10 Zinc!?!? So I gave it 10 Carbos, 10 Calcium and 10 HP Up. Then I went to the Effort lady and she said to work harder. So I gave it one Iron and got the Effort ribbon.

I reset and fought again, this time I just gave it only Iron but it ate 10 of them. So I don't know what I'm doing wrong but in every case it ate 10 vitamins.

[Kuiper]

Hmm...maybe you can give it vitamins in order to get it up to 109? I dunno.

Anyway...

Absol is still a Pojoer. He just plays MTG. How ironic that his user name doesn't reflect his current interest.

[shineyaltaria]

According to upnetwork, Zangoose gives 2 in AT. Maybe I needed to do more than just two battles. I'll probably give it another try, but it still doesn't make sense to me.

[clown master]

I battled enough Zangoose to get 252 EVs and the Pokemon wouldn't eat Protein.

[bob1224]

This is kind of off topic but I think it would be a good idea to put a Standard Moveset post some where in the help thread. It would really help me and other people and it will also give the people who usually respond to the "i need a moveset for a certain pokemon" threads a break.

[shineyaltaria]

This is kind of off topic but I think it would be a good idea to put a Standard Moveset post some where in the help thread. It would really help me and other people and it will also give the people who usually respond to the "i need a moveset for a certain pokemon" threads a break.

Hi, bob1224. You raise a good point, not at all off-topic.

If you look at the very first post on this thread, you'll see that there is a pointer to a site that has a couple very good moveset guides. I would have linked to them but the guides are at a site that prohibits direct linking (they consider it stealing bandwidth). When the stickied moveset thread was deleted from this forum, I included the pointers.

If you or anyone else has a great moveset site that we can link directly to, I'll be happy to include it.

Got moveset guides?

[Kuiper]

Mkay. If you want to reference link someone to a .txt file, give them the url and disable "automatically parse links in text." Then you can just copy the address, paste it in your web browser, and directly access it.

[wobmaster]

Hi, bob1224. You raise a good point, not at all off-topic.

If you look at the very first post on this thread, you'll see that there is a pointer to a site that has a couple very good moveset guides. I would have linked to them but the guides are at a site that prohibits direct linking (they consider it stealing bandwidth). When the stickied moveset thread was deleted from this forum, I included the pointers.

If you or anyone else has a great moveset site that we can link directly to, I'll be happy to include it.

Got moveset guides?
serebii has great moveset and contest moveset guises for pokeomn. the drawback is that they only have them for the PotW, and they don't have all of them...

[shineyaltaria]

Ok, I added in the MOVESET links (just copy/paste the url).

Credit was given, as always. So if you find the moveset info helpful, you have Gamefaqs and Sir Marill, and Sir Fallen Ronin and Bob1224 to thank.

Got Movesets?

[Houndooms Revenge]

I never thought this thread would ever get so long.

Man I haven't been here in a while.

[shineyaltaria]

I never thought this thread would ever get so long.

Man I haven't been here in a while.

Sir HR, Great One, nice to see you stop by. Congrats on having the 555th post. Are you playing LG/FR?

Consider that this thread was really a continuation from my one on the old board. That thread was very long too. If we never moved here, who knows how long that original Help Thread would be by now! :eek:

[clown master]

I never thought this thread would ever get so long.

Man I haven't been here in a while.
I've never seen you around here before, but I've heard that you have immense knowledge, welcome back...

[Houndooms Revenge]

As soon as Emerald comes out I will be buying Emerald and Fire red. Emerald looks like it is going to awesome. The Battle Frontier is a dream come true. Plus you can rebattle the gym leaders and get all 382 non-nintendo event obtainable pokemon. Only three weeks left. :D

Man they really need an evil face.

[shineyaltaria]

Man they really need an evil face.

Yeah, nothing's even got horns. :(

I miss the animated LOL Smiley. Man that was really funny and it came in handy for posts sometimes too. Oh well.

3 weeks? I thought Emerald comes out First qtr here in the states and has been already out in Japan since Spetember. :confused: You going to get the Japanese version like in the past?

[Houndooms Revenge]

I must have seen a wrong date then. O'well I still can't wait. I bought Leaf Green yesterday and have already beaten it, captured mewtwo and the legendary birds, linked to Houen, and have 70 in the pokedex so far. The train tower sucks though. All you need is a team of Dratini at level 5 that know dragonbreath and you can OHKO every pokemon they have.

[shineyaltaria]

You got it yesterday and already beat the game? Well, geez good sir, what took you so long!

I don't know how you do it. I've played FR three times now (and LG once) and it usually takes me a few days to get that far---12 hours or so of game time. I haven't tried a speed run but you are inspiring me to. You had a better record than me in R/S by an hour if I remember and I only trained Blazey and then Kyuber up for the E4. Guess some things never change lol.

[Houndooms Revenge]

All I did was pick Bulbasaur. Then I captured an abra by putting to sleep with sleep powder. I then trained it up to level 16 by bait and switch. After that Kadabra owns all. Most of the pokemon you face in the game are poison, fighting, and rock which Kadabra annihalates quite effectively and gets even more powerful doing it. He is all I trained, by the time I got the to elite four it was at level 72. I used the legendary birds to help too (mainly to conserve PP for kadabra and articuno for lance.)

My time for Sapphire was 4:58:16. I am not sure what it was for FR but it was around 8 hours because I wandering a lot not knowing what I was doing.

[shineyaltaria]

Yeah, I remember that in Yellow Kadabra owned too. I'll try that in my next restart. I haven't used any of the 3 birds yet so WTH that'll be fun too.

My best time in R/S was 5:48:41 so you were faster, probably because you used the mach bike more than I did if I remember right.

[Houndooms Revenge]

All I used was the mach bike. I was also good at steering.

To save some more time you also need to turn of shift mode and animations then save and start a new game. The setting stay even though it is a new game, this way you don't have to waste the time setting the settings in the time run. I also used repels religiously. I only battled trainers that had a line of site on the shortest route. This way you battle and get money for repels and experience for levels without having to actually do anything off route. Cut out all side quest such as lost cave. Don't go go out of you way for items that you don't really use, IE escape rope. Don't battle everyone in the Silph building or rocket headquaters, just go in and get the job done. To bad the pokedoll to the marowak ghost doesn't work or you could just skip the Rocket headquaters until later.

[clown master]

I'm a bit slower... 5Hours, 06 Minutes...


Good job on that.

[Houndooms Revenge]

I got 5 hours and a few minutes several times but my main goal was to get under 5 hours, which I barely did. I plan on doing a speed run in LG once I get it. FR will be my main colors version. Do you think that they will have a green or yellow version this time around?

[clown master]

They may push to get in a Lightning Yellow of Water Blue before DS comes out, if they do, It'll probably be on the DS or in the late lifespan of the Advance...

[shineyaltaria]

I'm a bit slower... 5Hours, 06 Minutes...

Good Helper clownmaster; the times I gave were for R/S beating the E4--- just so you know. I'm not sure if it will be about the same or longer to do this in FR/LG, but now Sir HR has me thinking of trying it. So I restarted FR and am going about as fast as I can just to see what time I get for beating the E4 on the card.

I traded a modest Lv 16 Kadabra from my perm LG cart and that's all I'm training (Zam). Squirtle is my starter and will be an HM slave. I have few pokevacs for pickup. I'll round out the party once I can get the birds, train them up a bit, then go for the E4.

It's not exactly a speed run but I want to get some idea how much faster I could go. I'll post my time when done. You guys can all have a good laugh then. :)

Edit. PM maint is done.

[Houndooms Revenge]

I don't think it is possible to beat 7 hours in FRLG. FRLG have much longer story lines than RS. There are also many more trainers and 'errands' that you have to do. That and you get the running shoes later which could account for about 10 mins. You should raise a team of 100's on your other version so you can trade it over after Giovanni to save time instead of training up to beat them even though a powerful Zam could do almost exclusively.

[clown master]

I'll also do FRLG and see what I can do. I don't think beating 7 hours is possible either. We'll all laugh together, lol.


Houndooms Revenge, please check your inbox...

[Houndooms Revenge]

Responded.

I think that beating 8 hours would be difficult at best. Most people probably wouldn't be able to get under 10 if they tried because they would undoubtably do unnecissary things.

[shineyaltaria]

Either I'm losing it or some posts are missing. I remember that I posted my time for beating the E4, and that Good Sir HR posted he thought it was a 'really good time', and then Phazonelite posted that he did it in a better time. I can't find any of those posts so what's up!?!?!? Posts after 11/01 are gone.

[wobmaster]

i guess a mod deleted them. thought they were Spam. thats a bit odd, i didn't think they were spam either... :confused:

[Houndooms Revenge]

It must be the twilight zone. When I get LG I plan on burning through it. I am already training pokemon in my FR to trade over to LG when the time comes.

[shineyaltaria]

Well at least you guys know too and I'm not going crazy (yet). Don't know why any mod would bother deleting the few posts we are talking about since they are relevant to the game and definately not spam. I've never had anything deleted do they tell you if they do that (like with a PM or something)?

Unfortunately I don't remember what my darn time was. Something like 7:15 maybe?
Anyone remember? Help.

I think PhazonElite posted around 6:30 as his best in a speed run. So that would be the time to try and beat for all of us.

[wobmaster]

Well at least you guys know too and I'm not going crazy (yet). Don't know why any mod would bother deleting the few posts we are talking about since they are relevant to the game and definately not spam. I've never had anything deleted do they tell you if they do that (like with a PM or something)?

Unfortunately I don't remember what my darn time was. Something like 7:15 maybe?
Anyone remember? Help.

I think PhazonElite posted around 6:30 as his best in a speed run. So that would be the time to try and beat for all of us.
i think yours was like 7:15:46 or something

kind of odd that they just delelted those if they did think it was spam. i have a couple posts a few pages back that are pretty spammy. sometimes i just wish i could delete my own posts if i made a stupid post. meh meh meh...

[shineyaltaria]

You can't delete them completely but you can go back and erase the contents by editing the post---if you really want to.

I've been thinking about it and I've come to the conclusion that the missing posts were not deleted. No reason to. No, I think what happened is closer to what Good Sir HR said with the twilight zone thing. I'm thinking that the posts went to the same place that socks go when you put them in a dryer. You know that place? 6 socks go in, 5 come out. Yeah, that place. Maybe this post will be deleted duh.

Yeah I think it was around 7:15 or so too.

[Houndooms Revenge]

Maybe the server hickuped and that is what came out.

I hate these smiley's, there is absolutely no funny ones or any variety to speak of. Every other forum I have been to has much better smiley's then this forum.

[shineyaltaria]

I just restarted my FR and will try a speed run. I've only traded over a Lv 21 Zam and started with bulby this time instead of squirtle. Don't know if I'll make 6:30 but I should have no problem beating 7:15, even with only the one trade.

EDIT: I blew the old time away. I'll post results of the speed run on the FR Help thread.

[Rare_Pokemon]

to distribute 252defense, 252speed and 6hp to the lv.5 duskull i just hatched, how many vitamins does that involve me feeding it b4 battling enemy pokemon??? :confused:

[shineyaltaria]

It will eat a max of 10 vitamins for each stat (100 EPs). The rest of the effort points must be obtained via battles. So in your example, the answer is you'll need 10 iron and 10 carbos. Battle for the rest, which would be 152 in DF and 152 in SP, plus the 6.

Got cash?

[Kuiper]

I give this thread 5/5 stars!

[shineyaltaria]

Ok Gang, well Sir Fallen Ronin created a really helpful 2v2 metagame section that offers some guidelines and comments about team building and battling. I have added it to the 2v2 post (post#9) as 'section V'. Take a look.

I was expecting that this thread would quietly become kind of extinct after the new games came out but posters are still coming here for help/reference, based on the views increasing.

So I've decided to make some major updates to this thread. Sir Fallen Ronin's new 2v2 metagame section was the first of these. I have also been planning on updating the Dual-type weakness/resistance 'chart'. It is only R/S now and I want it to be 386 (final form), so I intend to concentrate on doing that next. Stay tuned.

Also, I've been thinking of revamping the thread to put everything that is EV/IV related into the Trainer's Checklist section, and maybe add a 'EVs for dummies' section since there are some who read what we have and still have trouble understanding it. So I may do that too.

EDIT: There are now 10,021 views!

[Kuiper]

The gamefaqs things on the first page aren't working. The link doesn't work and you can't copy/paste the url due to the elipsis. Make sure that you don't put the url tags around the addresses and uncheck (default is checked) the little box that says "automatically parse links in text."

[shineyaltaria]

Page One, Post #10 is for Emerald, but is empty right now...

So any ideas for helpful Emerald-related stuff are welcome. Just post.

[Gren_Maju27]

What about PokeRS, the virus that goes into pokemon?

[shineyaltaria]

What about PokeRS, the virus that goes into pokemon?

PokeRus is explained in the Trainer's Checklist. What I was really looking for was stuff that is in Emerald but not the other games. Or stuff that works differently in Emerald than other games. That kind of thing. Thanks for making a suggestion though.

I'm thinking of focusing on the Battle Frontier for the new section since it is unique to Emerald. Sound good?

And if anyone thinks of something Emerald-related that might be helpful to put in post #10, please post.

[Absol]

You could include the Berries that lower the EPs in a stat. And how about the move tutors in Emerald?

You could also add the moves that pokemon can learn in Emerald but cant learn in other versions.

[shineyaltaria]

You could include the Berries that lower the EPs in a stat. And how about the move tutors in Emerald?

You could also add the moves that pokemon can learn in Emerald but cant learn in other versions.

Vet Absol, good to see you here again. :) Thanks for the suggestions. Yes, each of those 3 things would be very helpful indeed. Congrats on beginning Page 50!

I'd have to look it all up online and don't have the time now, and I don't have an Emerald guide either. So if someone has any of that info already just post it here and I'll put it into post #10, with credit as usual. If nobody posts the info within a couple days from now by then I'll have time to look into it.

[Chaosmaester17]

*Pulls out Emerald Guide*

Here are the locations of moves and tutors:
Body Slam - Battle Frontier (48BP)
Counter - Battle Frontier (48BP)
Defense Curl - Battle Frontier (16BP)
Double-Edge - Sootopolis City
Dream Eater - Battle Frontier (24BP)
Dynamicpunch - Mossdeep City
Endure - Battle Frontier (48BP)
Explosion - Pacifidlog Town
Fire Punch - Battle Frontier (48BP)
Fury Cutter - Verdanturf Town
Ice Punch - Battle Frontier (48BP)
Icy Wind - Battle Frontier (24BP)
Mega Kick - Battle Frontier (48BP)
Mega Punch - Battle Frontier (24BP)
Metronome - Fallarbor Town
Mimic - Lavaridge Town
Mud-slap - Battle Frontier (24BP)
Psych-up - Battle Frontier (48BP)
Rock Slide - Battle Frontier (48BP)
Rollout - Mauville City
Seismic Toss - Battle Frontier (24BP)
Sleep Talk - Fortree City
Snore - Battle Frontier (24BP)
Softboiled - Battle Frontier (16BP)
Substitute - LilyCove City
Swagger - Slateport City
Swift - Battle Frontier (24BP)
Swords Dance - Battle Frontier (48BP)
Thunder Wave - Battle Frontier (48BP)
Thunderpunch - Battle Frontier (48BP)

That's all according to Nintendo Power's guide.

[shineyaltaria]

Thanks chaosmaester17. I'll update post #10 and credit you.

I should finally have some time tomorrow and will try and find out which berries lower which stats to complete Vet Absol's request.

Other suggestions of helpful things to include in the Emerald section of this thread are still welcome.

[Absol]

You should include any differences in the games...

[Chaosmaester17]

The EV Lowering Berries:

Pomeg: Decreases HP EVs by 10
Kelpsy: Decreases Attack EVs by 10
Qualot: Decreases Defense EVs by 10
Honeydew: Decreases Special Attack EVs by 10
Grepa: Decreases Special Defense EVs by 10
Tamato: Decreases Speed EVs by 10

Got it from Elite Gurus Guide. Guide to Building the Perfect Pokemon (http://www.elitegurus.com/raising.html)

[shineyaltaria]

I just finished organizing post #10 into sections and added the new info above, so click on over and check it out if you want.

[_-*$carface*-_]

hey ppl, nobody in my topic thing could answer my question so anybody that knows the answer to my question, plz tell me it. I need to know were I can get boards to put in my secret base so i can walk over those little pits and go to the rest of my base. Also, were can i buy plants? Thx.

[shineyaltaria]

hey ppl, nobody in my topic thing could answer my question so anybody that knows the answer to my question, plz tell me it. I need to know were I can get boards to put in my secret base so i can walk over those little pits and go to the rest of my base. Also, were can i buy plants? Thx.

After you beat the E4 you'll see several new TV messages. Be patient, it may take a while---maybe even a few days, but keep looking at the TV for an annoucement that the Lilycove Department Store is having a sale. It'll say when the sale will be. Then go there for the sale and you'll be able to buy all that special secret base stuff. In R/S, the sale takes place on the rooftop to the Dept store so it is probably the same in Emerald.

Got TV?

[_-*$carface*-_]

Omfg!!!!!

I saw that. It said in 2 days the lilycove dept store is having a sale so yesterday, which was 2 days ago since the message i went through all the floors but before i went to the rooftop i thought, theres probably just going to be vending machines and thats it. Will the message appear again eventually? If it doesn't, i am gonna be so pissed!

[shineyaltaria]

Omfg!!!!!

I saw that. It said in 2 days the lilycove dept store is having a sale so yesterday, which was 2 days ago since the message i went through all the floors but before i went to the rooftop i thought, theres probably just going to be vending machines and thats it. Will the message appear again eventually? If it doesn't, i am gonna be so pissed!

There will be future 'sales'. Just keep watching the TV and eventually it'll come on again and you'll get another chance.

[_-*$carface*-_]

good, i know a secret base is pretty pointless but hey, if i was just a little more curious and a little less lazy, i wouldn't be going through all of this. Do you have to beat th E4 again for them to come back cuz i never say anything on the tv untill after the E4. Maybe thats just cuz i came out of my room and the tv was on. I never looked at it other times. I assumed it was the Gabbie And Ty dudes.

[Absol]

600TH REPLY!!!

The TV ads don't start until after you beat the E4. Before that, it is either Gabby and Ty or a stupid update if you mixed records.

[shineyaltaria]

600TH REPLY!!!

The TV ads don't start until after you beat the E4. Before that, it is either Gabby and Ty or a stupid update if you mixed records.

600 huh? Never would of thought it back when I started this thing. Congrats, Vet Absol. I'm glad to see you back here, and am noticing how helpful you are being too. Keep it up!

Gang: Ok well I just started entering the section called what's new in Emerald. It is on Page One in post #10. Check it out and let me know of any changes/fixes/additions you want.

[clown master]

If you haven't already, under HR's IV Breeding, etc guide, you may want to include that Flame Body and Magma Armor speed up the hatching process.

Great work, SA.. I see we're getting back the old greats(Absol, Goku4rpg), and losing some others(MM). =}

[shineyaltaria]

If you haven't already, under HR's IV Breeding, etc guide, you may want to include that Flame Body and Magma Armor speed up the hatching process.

Great work, SA.. I see we're getting back the old greats(Absol, Goku4rpg), and losing some others(MM). =}

Thanks for the suggestion, Sir clownmaster, I"ll put it in the Emerald section since it is specific to Emerald. Hmm, I wonder if it would work like that in R/S also, you know, like if we traded over a pokemon with one of those abilities? Looks like a test or two might be in order LOL.

Yep I'm happy about seeing some of our 'old greats' here as well. Hopefully they'll continue to post and help out. There's no shortage of posters who need their expertise.

[Absol]

Veteran ShineyAltaria, in the Emerald section, you should include that if a pokemon that you are breeding is holding an Everstone, there is a 50% chance that the baby will have the same nature. This counts for both pokemon, so, in example, if you have 2 Modest pokemon that you are breeding, both holding Everstones, all of their babies will have a Modest nature.

Also, the battle tents aren't all the same. Each of the 3 are different.

[shineyaltaria]

Veteran ShineyAltaria, in the Emerald section, you should include that if a pokemon that you are breeding is holding an Everstone, there is a 50% chance that the baby will have the same nature. This counts for both pokemon, so, in example, if you have 2 Modest pokemon that you are breeding, both holding Everstones, all of their babies will have a Modest nature.

Also, the battle tents aren't all the same. Each of the 3 are different.

Done. How are the tents different? I've only been to one so far. Do you have to 'rent' your team at each or is that one of the things that's different?

= = = = = = = =

My GBA link cables still won't work so I'm going to have to trade a decent battle team from my perm cart over to PC first, and then trade again from PC to Emerald in order to go check out the Battle Frontier. I'll probably organize that section into 7 parts, one part for each of the 7 battle places, plus one other that has any stuff that's common to all if needed. Don't really know yet. I'm hoping to start the Battle Frontier section soon. Stay tuned. SA

[Absol]

you rent at the first. in the second, you can't choose your attacks. at the third, you have to ko the other pokemon in 3 turns or if you cant, you get judged on your style, and the pokemon with the lower score faints (both faint in a tie).

[shineyaltaria]

you rent at the first. in the second, you can't choose your attacks. at the third, you have to ko the other pokemon in 3 turns or if you cant, you get judged on your style, and the pokemon with the lower score faints (both faint in a tie).

I'll update the battle tent post with that info. Thanks.

Edit: I like the look/feel of your new site :) Good luck with it!

[Beldarius]

Hey, if you need a good site for Pokémon R/S, here's one: http://wraith10.megadoomer.com/

There's also a Pokémon Colosseum coverage if you need one.

[shineyaltaria]

Battle Factory record: I tried for a gold symbol and won 41 straight. Then I fought Factory Head Noland and lost to him. I didn't see any foe legendaries at all in the previous battles---not until he pops out Raikou. I still almost pulled it out but Argh! ...to be so close and then come up short. :mad: Now I'll have to try again from scratch.

Got Aspirin?

EDit: Well I've learned a couple of helpful things about the Factory: first off, as implied above, in the sixth trainer group you have 6 battles and then the last and seventh battle is with the Factory Head, not a regular trainer. More interesting, the item rule does NOT apply at the Factory. I had a pokemon with lefties and swapped out one of my other ones for a foe pokemon that also had lefties and they both had lefties on my team. :D

[Chaosmaester17]

Just so you know in the Battle Factory, the more you swap with beaten opponents the better off you are. The more you trade, the better the pokemon you get to choose from at the start of your challenge in the next round.

After alot of swaps you start getting REALLY good pokemon to choose from. Last time I went through, I started off with a very well trained Regice.

Just thought you should know if you didn't already....

[shineyaltaria]

Update 7/12/05 - I added section 5 to post #10 (emerald section) showing the EVs that you get from battling the E4 as posted by Sephirtoh_Masamune.

We still need real basic info for 3 areas of the Emerald Battle Frontier: Arena, Tower, and Palace. So if you can help out with any info about any of these 3 areas please post.

Got info?

My challenges to get gold at the Factory have all failed. I have not been able to repeat getting to 41 wins for the retry. I've tried like every day for over a week now, but always come up short. It's so pathetic. Meh. But I'm not giving up. ;)

[_-*$carface*-_]

So you have to get 41 wins to be able to Battle the Factory Head again? The first is 21. and I got that one. And the Symbol thingy. It pisses me off so much I always get 21 Wins then I lose right away. I get my Record each time but I never beat it.

[shineyaltaria]

So you have to get 41 wins to be able to Battle the Factory Head again? The first is 21. and I got that one. And the Symbol thingy. It pisses me off so much I always get 21 Wins then I lose right away. I get my Record each time but I never beat it.

Yep, 41 in a row. Each time we lose we start over again from scratch. Very frustrating.

I must have been really lucky to get that far in one of my very first challenges. So at that time I was thinking like Hey this is kind of easy (duh). But now after many re-tries I've always lost before getting to 41. Sometimes I don't even get to 21!

One thing I've noticed is I tend to lose the first or second battle in the trainer group---maybe because I've just rented a new team and they aren't always pokemon I would have picked otherwise. It may take a swap or two to get a decent trio that covers each others weaknessess and have decent moves and until that happens vulnerability is higher.

I haven't been to any other battle area yet and am wondering if the others are as hard as this? :eek: Anyone know?

Guess I can't complain though. I wanted Emerald for the replay value since I enjoyed the Battle Towers in previous versions a lot. Well, with the Factory alone I sure got it all right.

Got Replay value?

[_-*$carface*-_]

Yeah, one time, I got such a nice team I was so happy about it and I was doing so good. I had a Milotic, Alakazam and a Swampert. OK, it's not good as in to compete with these Pokemon but I loved it.

Milotic had Icy Wind, too bad it wasn't Ice Beam, Hydro Pump, Mirror Coat and Recover. Alakazam had Thunder Punch, Fire Punch, Ice Punch and Thunder Wave. WTF, Thunder Wave, I would really rather Psychic. And Swamper had Surf, Earthquake, Counter and Mirror Coat. This team got me throught right from 1-7. They were all part of my first Six that I got to choose and I never Swapped. I was tempted to Swap for an Arcanine since he's my favourite Pokemon but I overcomed that temptation and realized, it's better Pokemon over Favourites that are gonna get me some Wins. It could be better but I loved this team. It's funny, it's like your opponents have like a brain cuz whenever I used Swampert againts and Electric Type, so I could use Earthquake, they would use Electric attacks like they thought Swampert was Pure-Water. Cuz he looks kinda like a Pure-Water.

[MatthewR]

Nice post but I still don't understand EVs. Do you just breed until you get a very good stat? Any help would be nice.

[Sephirtoh_Masamune]

Matthew...you have to read more carefully...breeding to get good stats is called IV training....EV training is fighting pokemon specifically for training a certain stat that they give enhances to.

We have covered EV training and it's specific math related questions in mmultiple threads....includinf here...plus on serebii.net...Also look in specific threads like my Milotic Thread in Emerald section...that cover's EV math very well...another spot dsicussed it...but I can't quite knopw where it is right now(der-be-der)

[shineyaltaria]

Nice post but I still don't understand EVs. Do you just breed until you get a very good stat? Any help would be nice.

You seem to be confusing IVs with EVs. IVs are like genes. Each pokemon is 'born' with them--one for each stat-- and they never change. We attempt to get good IVs in the stats we want mostly through repetitively breeding. It takes a lot of time and patience.

Effort is totally within our control, unlike IVs. When we battle we gain effort points, we just don't see them the way we do experince points. But they are there. Different pokemon give effort points in different stats, so the idea is to battle only the pokemon that give you effort in the stats you want raised, until you have all of your effort (there is a maximum).

So when you have time, you may want to take another look at the definitions of IVs and EVs and go through the Trainer's Checklist. Hopefully it will make a bit more sense. This stuff is not easy to understand at first so don't get discouraged. Good luck.

Edit: Here is SA's Battle Factory update for anyone who gives a crap---Today I got 33 in a row before getting edged out by an Entei. I've noticed that after battle 28 (starting with the 5th trainer group) we start to see many different pokemon than in the first 4 groups, including the legendaries like Lati@s and 3 beasts. Guess I'll have to start all over again. Meh.

[MatthewR]

You seem to be confusing IVs with EVs. IVs are like genes. Each pokemon is 'born' with them--one for each stat-- and they never change. We attempt to get good IVs in the stats we want mostly through repetitively breeding. It takes a lot of time and patience.

Effort is totally within our control, unlike IVs. When we battle we gain effort points, we just don't see them the way we do experince points. But they are there. Different pokemon give effort points in different stats, so the idea is to battle only the pokemon that give you effort in the stats you want raised, until you have all of your effort (there is a maximum).

So when you have time, you may want to take another look at the definitions of IVs and EVs and go through the Trainer's Checklist. Hopefully it will make a bit more sense. This stuff is not easy to understand at first so don't get discouraged. Good luck.

Edit: Here is SA's Battle Factory update for anyone who gives a crap---Today I got 33 in a row before getting edged out by an Entei. I've noticed that after battle 28 (starting with the 5th trainer group) we start to see many different pokemon than in the first 4 groups, including the legendaries like Lati@s and 3 beasts. Guess I'll have to start all over again. Meh.

33 in a row? Nice job. My record is 20 >_<...

[MatthewR]

How do I know that my Pokemon has the best IV of whatever I want? If I want my Pokemon to have high Attack IVs do I just breed and when I have a good number and no other number my breeding produces beats it, do I just stick with it?

[_-*$carface*-_]

To find out if your Pokemon has good IV's or not you have to Level them up with either Rare Candies or put them in the Day-Care until there are around Level 15. If they are not Breeded then make sure they are around Level 15 or Higher. The higher the Level, they more accurate the results. Do not train them up youself unless you record every Battle you fought and know exactly how many EV's you got from them! Once you have this down, go to the pokefor Website. I think. The Help Thread has the websites name on it. And on the Website which I think is Pokefor, they have an IV calculator. You enter your Pokemons name, Nature, Level and Each State. And the Website Calculates it for you. And like I said, the higher the Level, the more accurate the results. But you don't need to go crazy and do it on someone above Level 50 or something. Unless they were already caught at that Level. 12-15 would be fine. I think there is more info on the Help Thread. It also exlpains how to use the IV calculator on the Website I mentioned. I may have not explained it properly. And I am not sure of the Websites name. But I think it is the Pokefor Website. Just read through the Help Thread in the section about IV's, I think the Website is mentioned there.

[MatthewR]

How do you get a stat (such as attack) down to zero?

[shineyaltaria]

How do you get a stat (such as attack) down to zero?

Huh? That question doen't make any sense to me.

Pokemon have non-zero values in each of the 6 stats. There is no such thing as a zero stat that I know of.

Applying effort will add to the stat values, and you can take away some effort-related increases with certain berries. Is that what you mean? If so, just see the list in the Emerald section (Page 1 post #9).

[MatthewR]

When someone lists a their team and shows how they distributed their EVs they sometime say '252 Speed, 252, Attack, 6 HP', wouldn't that mean every stat that's not listed is at 0?

EDIT: Found this in the help thread:

'Any one individual stat can be maxed out at 255, but the total for all stats is capped at 510. So only 2 stats can be totally maxed out (if the others are zero).'

Does that mean that stats can be at zerp? Or does 'zero' mean the base value? How can I get two stats (duch as Attack and Defense) both to 252 and another stat (such as Speed) to 6 if you can't bring the other stats to zero?

[shineyaltaria]

When someone lists a their team and shows how they distributed their EVs they sometime say '252 Speed, 252, Attack, 6 HP', wouldn't that mean every stat that's not listed is at 0?

The stat itself is not zero, the effort for that stat is.

[_-*$carface*-_]

Yes, that doesn't mean the State is Zero. EV's aren't the actual Stat, they are just Boosting that Specific Stat more than the others. 252-Atk/252-Spd/6-HP, say, that's just Boosting those Stats but the others stay at the origional stat that that Pokemons stats are. So in that case, Attack and Speed are Maxed, and Hp is up 1. But the other Stats stay the same. These are just Boosted above the Origional Stat. Do I make Sense? For example, say you have a Pokemon with all 300 for Stats. You Max Attack and Speed (252-Attack/252-Spd) Then Attack and Speed are now above 300 But everything else that wasn't EV Trained, which would be Zero, are Left at 300. Does that make Sense?

Oh that brings up a Question from me. When your Looking at the Stats, like Say 252-Atk. that Divided by Four is the amount that the Stat is Higher Right. So that's 63 Right. So 63 higher for that Stat. Is that the Stat at Level 100 thats 63 Higher or is It 63 Added onto the Base Stat then what the Base Stat has now become is the Max that that Stat will be? For Example, Smeargles Base State for Speed is 75. If you wanted him to be able to outrun Base 130ers for Speed, then giving him 224 would allow it? Cuz 75 Plus 56 is 131. Or is it like. His Max Speed at Level 100 is 273. So giving him 252 EV's for Speed, would be an extra 63. So that's 273 Plus 63. Which is 336. So if Smeargle Speed was Maxed, would it be, about 395, or 336? I need clarification on that. Thank you.

[clown master]

Yes, that doesn't mean the State is Zero. EV's aren't the actual Stat, they are just Boosting that Specific Stat more than the others. 252-Atk/252-Spd/6-HP, say, that's just Boosting those Stats but the others stay at the origional stat that that Pokemons stats are. So in that case, Attack and Speed are Maxed, and Hp is up 1. But the other Stats stay the same. These are just Boosted above the Origional Stat. Do I make Sense? For example, say you have a Pokemon with all 300 for Stats. You Max Attack and Speed (252-Attack/252-Spd) Then Attack and Speed are now above 300 But everything else that wasn't EV Trained, which would be Zero, are Left at 300. Does that make Sense?

Oh that brings up a Question from me. When your Looking at the Stats, like Say 252-Atk. that Divided by Four is the amount that the Stat is Higher Right. So that's 63 Right. So 63 higher for that Stat. Is that the Stat at Level 100 thats 63 Higher or is It 63 Added onto the Base Stat then what the Base Stat has now become is the Max that that Stat will be? For Example, Smeargles Base State for Speed is 75. If you wanted him to be able to outrun Base 130ers for Speed, then giving him 224 would allow it? Cuz 75 Plus 56 is 131. Or is it like. His Max Speed at Level 100 is 273. So giving him 252 EV's for Speed, would be an extra 63. So that's 273 Plus 63. Which is 336. So if Smeargle Speed was Maxed, would it be, about 395, or 336? I need clarification on that. Thank you.

It is 63 higher at Level 100.

[_-*$carface*-_]

Thank You.

[MatthewR]

How do you know the effort value is 0? If I want my attack to have 252 EVs how do I know it has 252 EVs when the stat itself isn't the EV? How do I know what my effort value for a stat is?

Also, I checked on Pokefor and I found no calculater of any sort.

[clown master]

How do you know the effort value is 0? If I want my attack to have 252 EVs how do I know it has 252 EVs when the stat itself isn't the EV? How do I know what my effort value for a stat is?

Also, I checked on Pokefor and I found no calculater of any sort.

You have to keep track with paper and pencil That's the only real way to know.. If you haven't used the pokemon in battle, it has no EVs.

Also, if you're looking for a good IV calculator, Serebii has a great one here (http://serebii.net/games/iv-calc.shtml).

[_-*$carface*-_]

Ya, one thing I missed, if you have already Battled with the Pokemon you have to keep Track of who you battled and right it down. Serebii.net has the EV listed for every single Pokemon. Another thing. If you want to see if your Pokemons EV's are Maxed, go to that girl that is beside the Energy Guru, in the Slateport Mall Area, and if the first Pokemon in your Party EV's are Maxed, she'll give you an Effort Ribbon. Then just switch to other Pokemon to see if their EV's are Maxed. And that's how you'll no. But you gotta keep track of every battle you fight and which Pokemon you fought each time.

EDIT: Also, I POsted SOme Usefull Information on the Battle Factory- Helpful Stuff Topic Posted By Shiney Altaria, about Stat Increases. Maybe that can be put in the Help Thread.

[MatthewR]

So at level 100 I'll know what EVs they have? If I want to get more EVs in one catagory do I only battle Pokemon that give good EVs for that catagory? How do I change the EVs so one stat has more? Berries and Vitamins?

I still really don't understand this. Can't I just raise my Pokemon to level 100 then use Berries and Vitamins to ajust EVs?

[_-*$carface*-_]

So at level 100 I'll know what EVs they have? If I want to get more EVs in one catagory do I only battle Pokemon that give good EVs for that catagory? How do I change the EVs so one stat has more? Berries and Vitamins?

I still really don't understand this. Can't I just raise my Pokemon to level 100 then use Berries and Vitamins to ajust EVs?

If you raise your Pokemon to Level 100 and then give The Vitamins, I think that's Possible. But Vitamins Don't fully Max out your EV's. 1 Vitamin Gives that specific Stat 10 EV's. And the most Vitamins that can be given is 10 to A certain Stat. So that's 100 EV's. You'll still need to EV Train cuz that's only 100 EV's. Which is only 25 Higher than the Stat. The Increase once Maxed is 63 Higher. 25 Is a lot less. Vitamins just minimize the time needed to EV Train, it Speeds it up. It just means you have 100 less EV's to Train since you've feed them to your Pokemon. So only 152 EV's would needed to be Train After using as Many Vitamins as Possible. (10). Yes, to EV Train a Specific Stat, Battle only Pokemon that give EV's for that Stat. Once you have fully EV Trained up your Pokemon you will no when you have fully trained them up. If you want to check if the EV's are Maxed then go to the Girl that is Beside the Energy Guru in the Slateport Mall Area. If your first Pokemon's EV's are Maxed, she will give you an Effort Ribbon. Then you will no they are Maxed. You don't have to wait until Level 100 to so if they are Maxed, it's just by Level 100, you will notice it more. A Maxed Stat is 63 Higher than the Stat is Origionally. So for example, Alakazams Special Attack at a Higher Nature Level 100 is 405. 252-Sp.Atk would make it 63 More than that. 468. 120-Sp.Atk would be 30 Higher. So that's 435 insted of 405. 40-Sp.Atk would be 10 Higher. 12-Sp.Atk would be 3 Higher. These are all Random Numbers that are Divisible by 4. Cuz 4 EV's makes an EP. 1 EP is 1 Stat. So say 250, that would be 62. 249, 248 and 251 are also 62. but 252 is 63. I know this is all really Confusing and it feels like it's al crammed at you at once and makes no sense. And I probably didn't explain to well, but it takes a while to understand. Took me about 2 Weeks. Hope I Helped.

[shineyaltaria]

4 EPs = 1 Effort Level, and 1 Effort Level gives you a 1-point stat increase (aka ability point).

I really should write up another EV/IV thingy---as we discussed several times before---one that is easier to understand hopefully. . .Meh

[_-*$carface*-_]

4 EPs = 1 Effort Level, and 1 Effort Level gives you a 1-point stat increase (aka ability point).

I really should write up another EV/IV thingy---as we discussed several times before---one that is easier to understand hopefully. . .Meh

Good Idea, but that will be hard as These are not easily understood. But it's worth a shot.

[MatthewR]

For NetBattleing is IV breeding necassary?

[hydrostatic89]

You CREATE your Pokemon in NetBattle. You can make it PERFECT IVs, or whatever IVs you want for the Hidden Power you want.

[Kim Hikaru]

Where is the Encore move tutor in Emerald? I heard there is one from Clown Master but couldn't find it at the Battle Frontier or on Serebii.net. Help please?

Also where could I battle in the Battle Frontier to get Battle Points quick?

[wobmaster]

Where is the Encore move tutor in Emerald? I heard there is one from Clown Master but couldn't find it at the Battle Frontier or on Serebii.net. Help please?

Also where could I battle in the Battle Frontier to get Battle Points quick?
Well, according to gamefaqs, there is no encore move tutor. And serebii doesn't list it as a move tutor move. Apparently there is none.

AS for quick BPs, it really depends on what your good at. Battle Factory(And Palace too, I think) goes 3,3,4,4, and then I don't know. Battle Tower goes 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9, and so on. Battle Pike goes 1,1,2,2,2,4, and then I don't know. Battle Pyramid starts out at 5, and I only beat it once. I don't know about the Arena or the Dome. Soooooooooooooo... the BT is pretty good, and If you've beaten Lucy (and her Shuckle), the pike is pretty good.

I'm with SA, trying to get the Gold knowledge symbol. So far, 34 wins is my best, and I usually fall in the 1st round (Me battles with crap like Illumise and Poliwhirl and Nidorino) or the 4th round.

One time, I was swept by a Wigglytuff. The shame! :o

[shineyaltaria]

I'm with SA, trying to get the Gold knowledge symbol. So far, 34 wins is my best, and I usually fall in the 1st round (Me battles with crap like Illumise and Poliwhirl and Nidorino) or the 4th round.

One time, I was swept by a Wigglytuff. The shame! :o

LOL. Hi wob, good to see ya postin. Yeah I know what ya mean. I'm playin Lv 100 and it's hard also. I've gotten swept by the darndest pokemon too.

Meh. Guess I'm still a n00b. :p

[wobmaster]

LOL. Hi wob, good to see ya postin. Yeah I know what ya mean. I'm playin Lv 100 and it's hard also. I've gotten swept by the darndest pokemon too.

Meh. Guess I'm still a n00b. :p
heh, I'm playing lvl 50. I think my max on lvl 100 is 14 wins. :p

[Kim Hikaru]

I got 32 wins today and lost to a Regice in Battle Factory single Open Level.
I need a link cable, damn vacation...XD

Damn, no Encore? :( It's CM's fault. or is it...

Well thanks people. Also where are people catching Celebi? In FR/LG or Emerald and whrere?

[Sephirtoh_Masamune]

there not..he is not available to us in any way that is the actual real way...anyone who has it traded for it ...has it from an event from long ago...or cheated for it...most likely the former and latter ones

[Kim Hikaru]

Oh thanks.

Does Male or Female gender matter? I heard that female has better HP/Def/SP.Def and male has better Atk/Sp.Atk/Spd stats. True?

[Sephirtoh_Masamune]

Male and Female never matter in stat circumstances that I know of...they only affect what pokemon you will get and what moves the egg learns

[Kim Hikaru]

Would this team work in the Emerald Battle Frontier's Battle Tower well?
(Open Level)

Snorlax@Lum Berry
Careful- No EV's.
Earthquake
Return
Rest
Belly Drum

Metagross@Choice Band
Adamant- No EV's.
Meteor Mash
Earthquake
Shadow Ball
Rock Slide

Latios@Soul Dew
Modest- No EV's.
Dragon Claw
Psychic
Ice Beam
Thunderbolt

Thats after switching after 21 wins btw. Thanks for all your help so far, truly appreciated.

[Sephirtoh_Masamune]

see I am not so good with movesets...but I can surely give some info...accept it at own risk...

Belly Drum is not good...I dunno why...but I dont like that fact of it...try to get something else...I dunno what to sugest here...

Metagross is an awesome Agility mag...give him Agility instead of Shadow Ball...but other than that I like his moveset

Latios...hmm...what can I say...he is a special Sweeper...no input here...

the thing is...there is'nt really any strategy here...it is straight Sweepers it looks like to me...sure they are strong...but sweeper's just the same...try to mix and match...but hey what do I know I could be wrong...cjeck the Help thread for info on the battle tower and all that...I have heard they give example teams...

hope I helped

[wobmaster]

On 'lax, use chesto instead of lum.

On 'gross, use Explosion over something, rockslide I guess.

By 'no EVs', do you mean that you Rare Candied them up to their level, or that you have mixed EVs?

If the former, then you should add EV's. If the latter, then you can take away the EV's through berrys, which I don't remember right now but are listed in the first page (Post 9 or 10, I think), and then re-EV train them.

Even if your pogeys are at level 100, you can still EV them, then deposit them in a box, and that will cause the game to recalculate their stats, and the EVs you added will take effect when you withdraw them.

And on a completely unrelated note, there are a lot of 'Pojo Newbies' who have joined between 7-28 and 8-01, if I'm not mistaken.

[shineyaltaria]

And on a completely unrelated note, there are a lot of 'Pojo Newbies' who have joined between 7-28 and 8-01, if I'm not mistaken.

Geez, you're right it's the n00b invasion! All of n00bdumb seems to have descended upon us. lol. Nah, I've seen this before. Some will hang for a few days or weeks, a few may stay for the long haul. We'll see.

Meh. Guess we should just try to help whoever needs it.

[Kim Hikaru]

If I used competitive teams (like against a friend) would they work well in the Battle Tower? Like AgiliGross?
Also is Belly Drum better than Curse because although Curse also raises defense and lowers speed, your opponent eventually attacks you so isn't Belly Drum a faster way but without the defense boost and the speed drawback?

[_-*$carface*-_]

Well. Curse Only Multiplies your Attack and Defence by 1.5 when used. And Lowers Speed. With Snorlax, your probably going to Attack second, cuz his Speed is so Low. And if the first hit does more than Half your HP, you screwed. Cuz then you will use Belly Drum, it will fail. And your Opponent will finish you off. Although, if you do survive, you will multiply your Attack by 4. Which is good but Snorlax will probably Die in the next turn or 2. I'de say Curse is better. And more reliable.

[Paladin of Light]

Hey guys, I need some help on how to EV train. I understand how it applys to my Pokemon, but I need on some help on how to properly train. I'm currently playin' Emerald version. Are the routes and locations the same as on Ruby and Saphire? Also, can I EV train on LeafGreen? If I can, where are the locations best to train? Thanks a bunch! ;)

[Sephirtoh_Masamune]

It really depends on what ur trying to train...I can say stuff about Emerald...but I dont play LG much

how to properly train for EV...it depends on how and what your using and doing....

if your using macho brace....cut the EV training in half basically...

if your using a Vitamin...cut 100 off that specific stat...


good spots to train are on Serebii.net...they give you the pokemon and the route for certain stats

Whismur for HP in the cave

Solrock in meteor falls for 2 Attack EV's per

Zubat in altering cave or in Meteor falls as well for speed...

check Serebii.net for the rest cause I forgot...hope I helped a bit...

[_-*$carface*-_]

You can also Train in The Artistan Cave against Smeargles for Speed EV's.

[Paladin of Light]

I don't know where to get the Macho Brace.

So it its basicaly the same areas on R/S for Emerald. O.K. Thanks.

I have a Sceptile, a Sharpedo, a Gardeviour, a Lairon, a Magneton, and an Azumarril. I haven't defeated the Elite 4 yet.

[wobmaster]

SA... What happened to posts 3-10? Are you doing some kind of uber update or something?

BTW, I am trying Frontier lvl 100, and I am loving it. Except for last night, where a max evasion dusclops stalled me out of PP on all my Pokemon and then proceeded to not do anything except sit there and toxic my Steelix,use CRay, protect, be fully paralized and recover with lefties. I hate max evade.

[shineyaltaria]

SA... What happened to posts 3-10? Are you doing some kind of uber update or something?

All things must pass. Besides, there are so many cheaters here. They don't need a help thread now do they? All they need is to cheat for what they want, by their own admission.

I've saved all of the info, so at some point if I feel it can be helpful again, I'll repost it in a new thread.

[scizandor04]

to tell the truth, I still used it o_O IMO, it is the best in-depth guide to pokemon, and it is laid out so you can easily find what you want. I personally, would like to see it back :D

[Sephirtoh_Masamune]

Thank you ShineyAltaria...I beleive all of us here who have busted our arse to bring info to this incoming invasion of nOObies feels that this is a good move....

We feel that since everyone cheats now and is filling our threads with spam, that our help is not good enough...

Thank you SA...I am very happy with this move and I hope we can clean up the area of spam and stupid questions...

Until everyone decides to be helpful and also stops asking sooo many questions and not helping themselves...I am no longer going to post except to ppl who deserve the help...

Thank You,

Sephirtoh_Masamune

[_-*$carface*-_]

I check the Help Thread Regularly for Info on things I need. I still use it and I find it very helpful and easy to use. And I appreciate all the work you put into it ShinyAltaria. It's too bad this had to happen but just no that I'm still your Fan! I hope it comes back soon.

[hydrostatic89]

All things must pass. Besides, there are so many cheaters here. They don't need a help thread now do they? All they need is to cheat for what they want, by their own admission.

I've saved all of the info, so at some point if I feel it can be helpful again, I'll repost it in a new thread.
Hey I don't cheat! If I did I would not be going to a Pokemon Rocks America event!

*SIGHS* I guess you're right. Recently there's been a n00b invasion.

Hey I saw you on SPPF. You go there now?

[shineyaltaria]

The status of this thread is pending. Stay tuned.

[PokePop]

Unsticking and locking.