Cooltrainer Josh's R/S only Moveset Guide.

[Cooltrainer Josh]

I will only be writing sets for Pokemon I consider worth using. Here goes:


#3 Sceptile (By popular request.)

Special Sweeper:

Sceptile@Shell Bell/Lum Berry
<Modest/Timid>
Leaf Blade
Dragon Claw
Crunch
HP Fire

63 S.Atk, 63 Spd, 1 HP.


#6 Blaziken

Overheater/Physical Sweeper:

Blaziken@Brightpowder // Leftovers
<Adamant>
Brick Break
Earthquake
HP Rock
Overheat/Focus Punch // Bulk Up

63 Atk, 63 Spd, 1 S.Atk.
Use 3 Physical plus Overheat/FP or Bulk Up for more power.

Mixed Attacker:
Blaziken@Leftovers/?
<Neutral>
Bulk Up
Earthquake
HP Rock
Overheat

63 Atk, 63 Spd, 1 S.Atk. I don't know about this one, it might not be good.
Opinions, please ?

Endure+Reversal: I'm just including this for people with AR.

Blaziken@Salac Berry
<Hasty/Naive, your choice.>
Endure
Reversal
HP Rock
Flamethrower

63 Atk, 63 Spd, 1 S.Atk again.A little slower than Heracross. F-thrower for Skarmory/Weezing.


#9 Swampert

Toxic-Shuffler/Protector

Swampert@Leftovers
<Adamant/Impish/Careful>
Earthquake
HP Rock
Toxic
Roar/Protect

63 Atk, 63 HP, 1 S.Def/Def.

Physical Sweeper:
Swampert@Leftovers/Chesto Berry
<Adamant/Careful>
Curse
Earthquake
HP Rock
Refresh/Rest

63 HP, 129 Def, +129 S.Def/129 Atk.

Mirror Coater:

Swampert@Chesto Berry
<Any Speed-lowering, your choice.>
Mirror Coat
Rest
Earthquake
HP Rock/Ice Beam

63 HP, 32 S.Def, +32 Def/Atk/S.Atk. I'm not sure about this one's EVs.


#13 Linoone

Belly Drummer:

Linoone@Leftovers/Shell Bell ?
<Adamant/Impish ?/Careful ?>
Belly Drum
Return
Shadow Ball
Protect/HP Fighting

63 Spd, 63 HP, 1 Atk.


#21 Ludicolo

Annoyer:

Ludicolo@Leftovers/Chesto Berry
Toxic
Leech Seed
Rest
Ice Beam/Double Team

63 HP, 63 S.Def, 1 S.Atk/Def.

Sunnybeamer:

Ludicolo@Lum Berry
Sunny Day
Solar Beam
Synthesis
HP Fire

63 S.Atk, 63 Def, 1 HP/S.Def. I invented this according to me. No Fire weakness is good.


#31 Gardevoir

Special Sweeper/Tank:

Gardevoir@Leftovers/ Lum\Chesto Berry
<Modest/Bold/Timid> [Synchronize]
Will o' Wisp
Calm Mind
Psychic
Rest/Thunderbolt/ HP Water ?\Ice ?\Fire ?

63 S.Atk, 63 Def, 1 Spd/HP/S.Def. Most people use Thunderbolt, but there are
several Pokemon hat resist both of those. Same goes for HP Whatever, but they're different, so it's basically pick a Type.


#38 Slaking

Choice Bander:

Slaking@Choice Band, duh.
<Adamant>
Return/Hyper Beam
Earthquake
Shadow Ball
Brick Break

63 Atk, 63 Spd, 1 S.Def/HP. An old standard.


#41 Alakazam

Special Sweeper:

Alakazam@Lum Berry
<Timid> [Synchronize]
Psychic
Calm Mind
Fire\Ice\Thunderpunch/HP Dark
Fire\Ice\Thunderpunch/HP Dark

63 S.Atk, 63 Spd, 1 Def/HP. Pick 2 moves for the last slots.

#43 Ninjask

Baton Passer:

Ninjask@Leftovers
<Impish//Careful>
Protect
Swords Dance
Baton Pass
Silver Wind/Aerial Ace

63 HP, 63 Def//S.Def, 1 Spd. Whichever defense you pick to raise, don't let him get hit by the other.


Gotta go, but I'll edit in more. If enough people say a Pokemon is worth using, I'll add it.

[TyranitarsShadow]

Add this Swampert set,

Swampert@Leftovers
Brave
252 HP, 129 sp.def, 129 atk
Rest
HP:Rock(since Rock Slide is unavailable in R/S)
Earthquake
Curse

I'll help you with this guide if you want the help.

[Kuiper]

For Swampert, I use:

Swampert@Chesto
-Rest
-Mirror Coat
-Ice Beam
-Earthquake

The EVs are a little complicated. He needs maxed HP, enough special attack to OHKO Salamence with Ice Beam, and enough special defense to surv in attack.

I built this moveset primarily for an element of suprise. With all those Cursing Swamperts running around, no one will expect Mirror Coat. And Ice Beam (or any other special attack, for that matter) is rarely used, so he can kill Salamence. And he has good sweeping ability with Earthquake. I think Houndooms Revenge used a simular set.

[Cooltrainer Josh]

Add this Swampert set,

Swampert@Leftovers
Brave
252 HP, 129 sp.def, 129 atk
Rest
HP:Rock(since Rock Slide is unavailable in R/S)
Earthquake
Curse

I'll help you with this guide if you want the help.

You mean Adamant nature, right ? No Special attacks.
As for help, I need whatever I can gt. Thanks.

[Absol]

for Blaziken, Adamant will still have enough SpAtk to OHKO Metagross/Skar with Overheat... Focus Punch should be an option for Overheat, not Brick Break... Brick Break is his best attack... Overheat and Focus Punch are more Extras... how is the 2nd any different? White Herb isnt a good item, since most teams have only 1 Steel, if any, and if OH needs 2 hits, even with 50% power, it should be strong enough for the 2HKO... the third isnt 200, since Salac is 386... without Salac, the set doesnt work...

[Kuiper]

Salac came before PC, so at one point for a few days it was 201 play and legal Salac. But then again, that was 201 play, not 200. And about the "?" on the Flamethrower for that set, it's because at 1 HP, Blaze kicks in upping his Fire attacks, combine that with STAB, and you've got a highly powered special attack.

Cursing Swampert should have maxed special defense and HP.

Is Extremespeed Linoone 200? Because that's the only thing that really makes it usable.

The annoyer Ludicolo set should have Double Team as an alternate for Protect/Rest, and Dive should be over Ice Beam.

[TyranitarsShadow]

Linoone gets Extremespeed from Pokemon Box.

[Kuiper]

Yes, I know that, I don't know if it's considered 200 though. Pokemon box never came out in the states, though it was possible to transfer the Zigzagoon/Ralts from Pokemon box to Japanese RS and from Japanese RS to English RS.


Sceptile is a good special sweeper, simular to Alakazam (sacrificing special attack for the ability to possibly survive an attack).

Sceptile@Scope Lens
-Leaf Blade
-Crunch
-Dragon Claw
-HP:water/Pursuit/Quick attack
Tmid, 252 speed, 252 special attack, 6 HP

[Absol]

Josh, YOU DIDNT INVENT THAT LUDICOLO SET!!!

I even have that set in my guide, which I havent updated in a long time... and I got that set from someone on the netbattle forums...

[TyranitarsShadow]

Ronin, your sig is awesome.

[Cooltrainer Josh]

Josh, YOU DIDNT INVENT THAT LUDICOLO SET!!!

I even have that set in my guide, which I havent updated in a long time... and I got that set from someone on the netbattle forums...


Hmmm... I never saw it anywhere, but I put it up in my 'Why doesn't anyone use Synthesis on Ludicolo ?' topic on the old board. Obviously, that was before your Moveset Guide on the new board. I'd tell you to look there, but everything on the old board's been deleted. Perhaps I wasn't the first one on the planet to think of it, but I definitely invented it for myself. If it makes you happy, I'll change that statement, but I do not believe I am plagiarizing. I repeat, I didn't get it from anyone else.


Fallen Ronin: OOPS. Sorry about the Salac mistake. I'll make a note by that set, and by Heracross's when I get to it. As for Extremespeed Linoone, I think it's still fast enough by itself to work with Return. I didn't know Box never came out here.

P.S. If 2 more people support Sceptile, I'll add it.


Everyone: I decided to center the whole thing, like Ness's guide, only the EVs are right there and different between sets, and no pictures. Maybe I'll add the pictures after I'm done all the sets.

[Absol]

*supports Sceptile*

Equal rights for Pokemon!!! (except loser pokemon like Dustox)

[Kuiper]

P.S. If 2 more people support Sceptile, I'll add it.
Perhaps people are not supporting Sceptile because he's so good. Do I support Alakazam? No. I loathe Alakazam. But I loathe him because of... obvious reasons.


Maybe I'll add the pictures after I'm done all the sets.
Sadly, you can't do this. They disabled the IMG tab. Look:

img12.photobucket.com/albums/v31/Fallen_Ronin/pokemon_banner

*Sobs*


If enough people say a Pokemon is worth using, I'll add it.

I say Metagross is worth using. I say Zangoose, Gyrados, Kingdra, and Weezing are worth using. So is Salamence.

In conclusion, Sceptile>Linoone.

[King Politoed]

yeah!
equal rights for pokemon!
ADD SCEPTILE..... please?

[Icecap]

Ooh! Lemme try!

Zangoose @ Brightpowder
Naughty: 252 ATK, 252 SP.DEF, 6 SPD
Swords Dance
Brick Break
Aerial Ace
Double Kick

Sweeper! YAYAY!

[Absol]

why do you have Linoone, but no Sceptile???

SCEPTILE >>>>>>> LINOONE!!!!!

Linoone is only good in 386... and your guide is R/S only (aka - 200)...

[TyranitarsShadow]

Give Zangoose this set,

Zangoose@Liechi/Lum
Jolly/Adamant
252 atk, 252 spd, 6 HP
Swords Dance
Quick Attack
Return
Shadow Ball

Total standard, but it mises like no ones buissness if set up properly.

[TyranitarsShadow]

Consider adding Encore to Slaking, as it <pojo_ownz><pojo_ownz><pojo_ownz><pojo_ownz>s annoying as hell protecters that would usually screw him.

[Cow Goes m00]

I suggest you put down Rock Slide as an option against HP:Rock on Blaziken. For the n00bs among us.

[scizandor04]

I support gyarados, kingdra, flygon, manectric, shiftry, medicham and Gorybess(sp?). I am not good with items, but I will give some sets:

Gyarados
EQ
Return
HP: Flying
Dragon Dance
63 Att 63 Speed 1 SpDef

Kingdra@King's Rock (KING's rock on a KINGdra :P)
Dragonbreath para
Attract tracta
Water Pulse fusa
Surf flinch (look at the item)
63 Speed 63 SpAtt 1 SpDef

Flygon
Sunny Day/Dig
Dragonbreath
flamethrower
Solarbeam/Crunch
63 SpAtt 63 Speed 1 SpDef

Manectric
Thunderbolt
Toxic
Roar
Bite/Crunch (flinch or more power???)
Yikes, EVs are hard for this one, SpAtt and Speed or Def and SpDef???

Shiftry@Focus Band
Explosion
Rock Tomb
Brick Break
Aerial Ace
63 Att 63 Speed 1 Def

Medicham
Calm Mind
Bulk Up
Brick Break
Baton Pass
43 Speed 42 Def 42 SpDef

Gorybess
Iron Defence
Amnesia
Agility/Surf
Baton Pass
63 Speed 40 SpDef 24 Def

[Kuiper]

For Swampert, if he has maxed HP and a nature not affecting special defense, he needs 48 EVs in special defense to survive a non-critical hit Leaf Blade. Also, if Swampert doesn't have a special attack hindering nature, he needs 40 special attack EVs to OHKO Salamence with Ice Beam.

[Gamefreak]

Didn't I say I'm already taking care of this, half of those sets arent even good/up to date. They call me the moveset master, let ME handle it.

[TyranitarsShadow]

I agree. Lets let this thread die and have Gamefreak open his moveset guide when its done.

[Cooltrainer Josh]

Didn't I say I'm already taking care of this, half of those sets arent even good/up to date. They call me the moveset master, let ME handle it.

Hmmm, didn't I see you asking for a Swampert moveset last week ? And which sets aren't good ? Mention them by name, please.

Scizandor: NOT Shiftry or Manectric.
T-tar's Shadow: You lose the power of Choice Band with Encore.

Okay, I'll add Sceptile. Linoone has the Speed to be good even without Extremespeed.

[Absol]

not really... it's only in the high 200's or low 300's... a fast pokemon is about 360+...

[Cooltrainer Josh]

For 360, with a boosting Nature you'd need a Base Stat of 115. So, only 115/higher is fast ? Without a boosting Nature you'd need 131 BS. How many have higher than 130 ?

[Absol]

yep pretty much you need to have high 300's for decent speed...

there are quite a few with 130, but for more than 130, I think the only 2 are Ninjask and Deoxys, who have 160 and 150, respectively...

[Jo Mamma]

What's the use of this thread? We already have a moveset referrer. I am just wondering if you wish to continue with this thread when eventually it'll end up on the 26th page.. Just curious, not starting anything or anything..

[Cooltrainer Josh]

yep pretty much you need to have high 300's for decent speed...

there are quite a few with 130, but for more than 130, I think the only 2 are Ninjask and Deoxys, who have 160 and 150, respectively...

Electrode too, with 140.


What's the use of this thread? We already have a moveset referrer. I am just wondering if you wish to continue with this thread when eventually it'll end up on the 26th page.. Just curious, not starting anything or anything..

Well, that one's not extremely good. Why do you think Absol is posting here instead of changing his ?

[Kuiper]

Actually, Ninjask's base speed is 152, I believe.

Gamefreak requested a critique on a set he had made, not for a set.

Salac is not 200 legal. It would be legal in 201 though. This is because when only 200 Pokemn were available, Salac wasn't obtainable. And when it was, there were 201 monsters available. And BTW, 200 is becoming obsolete.

[Absol]

I did forget Electrode... meh, it stinks... Ninjask is 160, but the base stats guide on gamefaqs says 152... but they are also wrong on a few other things...

I will redo the guide if 2 more people ask... also, you dont have very good sets...

[scizandor04]

absol, redo the guide...

[Jo Mamma]

Well, that one's not extremely good. Why do you think Absol is posting here instead of changing his ?

Alright, then please continue with this thread. Finish all the ideal movesets because it's a pain for me to get good example sets without needing to refer to topics and Absol's guide. So please, continue with this thread and I'll get a moderator to transfer the sticky. If you haven't already forgetten about this... Let me know.

[Gamefreak]

How many times do i have to say im making the guide, ive already started it =\