Restricted Cyber

[Dark Magic Attack]

Well i was wondering thinking about why Cuber Dragon cant be limited. I finally came up with and idea. Since you need Cyber Dragon for fusing Cyber End they cant restrict it. I was just wondering what gossip you guys had on this.
P.S. i dont mean playability i meant why you think it cant be banned

[Yugioh fan]

Umm wrong forum.

*reported*

ANd yes the fusions are why.

[heero]

they could do it is since the card called proto dragon is coming out in the next set and it is treated as Cyber Dragon when face up on the field.

[Whatah]

1) proto cyber dragon is in SOI and has the text "this card is considered cyber dragon while it is in play" (rough translation)

so even if Cyber dragon is restricted the fusions and nomis will still be sommonable.

2) look around and you will see a subforum for banned/restricted threads. you should have posted this there.

3) even if proto cyber dragon was not coming out they could still restrict cyber dragon in advanced format, people could still special summon CED and CTW using cyberstein and metamorphisis and people could run multipls in traditional format. IMO the importance of balanceing a format should come before making sure every card in the game is playable.

4) read nomber 2

[King of Dragon]

Umm wrong forum.

*reported*

ANd yes the fusions are why.
Its not just the fusions. It also is the center of its own deck. The fusions alone it may be limited to 2. But the theme along with it makes it hard to do that without killing a theme.

[MasteroftheCards]

um they resticed fusion parts sandwhich it can probally restorced but i doubt why i think its good but not broken (sort of stiaulanal) i still like it tough

[Desire for Fire]

They banned witch of the black forest even with Sanwitch out.

Gah beaten to it

[King of Dragon]

Eh Konami leaving a 1100/600 monster that needs to be on the field to run a deck type? I rather use Cyberstein in that case.

And the restriction does nothing to the decks that abuse it because most use only 1 or 2.

[Darkriku3]

cyber dragon isn't powerful enough FOR the ban/limit, sorry to tell you folks, its the card that comes after his summon that is powerful, he is just a 2100 chump attacker.
people are just in a whiny mood they are getting stomped by Donny/cyber dragon combo, its not exactly suprising to see, but its also easy to counter.

[Dark Marik 07]

i think Cyber Dragon will be limited to one per deck in next list, due to the proto Cyber, and it's abuse...so April 1st, will see it somewhere...

[Darkriku3]

i think Cyber Dragon will be limited to one per deck in next list, due to the proto Cyber, and it's abuse...so April 1st, will see it somewhere...

its abuse shouldn't be taken into account, Proto can't be used to fuse from the hand, and if there is only 1 cyber dragon, the whole "cyber dragon" theme will be shot, regardless if proto comes out or not, I mean he IS the only thing wroth using in it besides the fusions.
Cyber is a passing phase, he will fall down just like Goblin attack force did, and he had stronger attack, with an albeit worse effect.
I mean really now, its JUST a 2100, and if your opponent doesn't have a monster on his side of the feild you can't summon it, same goes if you DO have a monster.. I mean thats situational enough for it to never be restricted..
hell no one runs 3 NOW, why would we need to limit it down to a number that everyone was already using it in?

[heero]

I really don't think that they will limit it because it has draw backs. Sure if your opponent has a monster and you don't it is great, but if you have a monster then you have to tribute for it or find away to get rid of your monsters.

[King of Dragon]

i think Cyber Dragon will be limited to one per deck in next list, due to the proto Cyber, and it's abuse...so April 1st, will see it somewhere...
:cool: Cyber Dragon isn't a problem its nothing but a beatstick its the Don or DDA that follows.

Proto means nothing but, making it easier for the theme. None of those decks using Cyber Dragon unless they are going to be Cyber decks can careless if Proto existed or not.

[envoysbro]

it will be just like sanwitch :-D

[King_Sephiroth]

Why is there so many threads about the restriction/banning of Cyber Dragon and D.D. Assailant?

CYBER DRAGON WILL NOT BE RESTRICTED NO MATTER WHAT.

He's just simply not as good as he's cracked up to be. Same goes for D.D. Assailant, although I think it'll be restricted due to the shear fact that everyone plays three. That'll cut down on the same cards in everyone's decks. =\

[King of Dragon]

Why is there so many threads about the restriction/banning of Cyber Dragon and D.D. Assailant?

CYBER DRAGON WILL NOT BE RESTRICTED NO MATTER WHAT.

He's just simply not as good as he's cracked up to be. Same goes for D.D. Assailant, although I think it'll be restricted due to the shear fact that everyone plays three. That'll cut down on the same cards in everyone's decks. =\
DDA stands a chance to be limited or semi-limited. It does makes Horus and Phoenix run home at times.

[BlackFireDragon]

So, you cant fusion Summon Sanwitch due to the fact that Witch is banned. besides you can still use proto Cyber Dragon

[King of Dragon]

So, you cant fusion Summon Sanwitch due to the fact that Witch is banned. besides you can still use proto Cyber Dragon
:rolleyes: Eh the only thing I ever seen Sanwitch used for was with Scientist. Either for the OTK and to get Sorceror of Dark Magic out.

Witch compared to Cyber Dragon is a joke. Witch can pull out nearly every monster out your deck at will.

Cyber Dragon can attack and tribute bait.

[Dual Zero]

The only reason I see them restricting Cyber Dragon/DDAssailant is the over usage of these cards.

CD's run in twos and DDA's are run in threes.

[King of Dragon]

The only thing that will harm those decks is putting Cyber at 1 which just destroyed the theme completely.

DDA I careless what happens to it.

[SaintDragon7777]

Although the cyberdragon theme deck might not be tier one it has the potential to be a tier 2 deck. The deck got a 2100 beatstick. It has limter removal. It can fuse into some of the best fusions in the game. It has shining angels to fetch out the subs. You can also run one barrier dragon and sac a proto or cyber depending on situations to counter those pesky DD warrior ladies, assailants, snatch and steal, and Sak armors that threatens you or just to stall so you can get your fusions out.

This deck type has potential.

However DDA is problemmatic and really doesn't belong in any specific deck types.

[Daedalus]

i dont see why they think cyber dragon is deserving a limit. it doesnt. the card is only played in large amounts because that is what is good for this list. monster advantage is alot bigger on this format than others. Cyber is easily countered, and its atk is decent. i think if it was like 2300 then we might consider it, but it isnt. Cyber dragon might not even be that big next format. Hell, yata and CED might be back. We all need to face it that Cyber dragon probably wont be restricted. And that fusion idea is a good reason why it wont be restricted too.

[Airknight]

i cant wait to laugh at the people who said it will be limited~ it's only a beatstick, and why on the earth would UDE restricted a beatstick?? if they really restrict it, it would show that lot of TCG player cant handle some beatsticks, so they might as well restrict gorilla~~

if they restrict it because it is so abused, i wonder why we still have 'staples'. snatch, dark hole, heavy, MST, premature etc all are more powerful than cyber dragon and more abused, so i dont hear many people said it should be banned.

[bmxbunnie17]

they cant restrict it because there are new fusions comming out also and no you use the fusion subs with it so unless they change the ruling it wont be resricted to one

[KogyochiBJ]

Well i was wondering thinking about why Cuber Dragon cant be limited. I finally came up with and idea. Since you need Cyber Dragon for fusing Cyber End they cant restrict it. I was just wondering what gossip you guys had on this.
P.S. i dont mean playability i meant why you think it cant be banned

Derka derka derka, sanwich, derka, sanwich, derka derka, fusions mean nothing, derka derka. Cyber Dragon deserves to be burned, cept selling is a better choice currently. Restriction to 1 would make me a very happy person, everyone and thier hamsters use this card in 2's and 3's in nearly every deck because the card is too damn good. When's the last time you saw a deck win a regional..or SJC and not run at LEAST one of these?

[Daedalus]

Derka derka derka, sanwich, derka, sanwich, derka derka, fusions mean nothing, derka derka. Cyber Dragon deserves to be burned, cept selling is a better choice currently. Restriction to 1 would make me a very happy person, everyone and thier hamsters use this card in 2's and 3's in nearly every deck because the card is too damn good. When's the last time you saw a deck win a regional..or SJC and not run at LEAST one of these?
sorry, but i cant take your post seriously. all i hear is derka derka (and you prob dont even know what that means cause you wouldn't say it if you did). No substantial facts are even shown here to make me even consider limiting it. sorry, but the majority will probably win again :)

[dkates]

Sure, it CAN be Restricted, but whether it SHOULD be, is quite questionable. The main reason people want something done about it is that it throws off the "power curve" for monsters and is a costless, easily-achieved Special Summon. If its effect simply allowed it to be Normal Summoned sans Tribute under the same conditions, it might still see some play, but not nearly as much, because its splashable combo potential would be pretty much gone.

[KogyochiBJ]

sorry, but i cant take your post seriously. all i hear is derka derka (and you prob dont even know what that means cause you wouldn't say it if you did). No substantial facts are even shown here to make me even consider limiting it. sorry, but the majority will probably win again :)

We'll just let every SJC champs deck and the next National top8 let Cyber Dragon speak. I bet we'll see at least a total of 16-20 Cyber Dragons in each.

In fact, in the Pharoh tour, in the 5 decks they showed on Metagame.com, there were a total of 14 Cyber Dragons. That's 2.8 Cyber Dragons per deck out of a 3.0 limit. Remember when Scapegoats showed the same numbers and it was restricted? Or how Metamorphosis averaged about 2.5 per deck and that was restricted?

Lol, upon further reading, the top8 decklists for the Bremen Pharoh tour consisted of 19 Cyber Dragons which is a 2.375/3.0, so that tells you that every person in the top8 AT LEAST uses 2 Cyber Dragons...now ask yourself why? And no, it isn't because God hates you or that you touch yourself at night, it's because Cyber Dragon is the clostest to a broken monster card that we currently have this format besides the regular old magic staples that have already been limited.

If those arn't enough facts, then you have already failed out of school and are currently working at a Burger King...or McDonalds, whichever is worse.

Overusage has lead to the restriction of many cards, saying there is a fusion is no exception, I'm sorry, but even Konami knows that not a damn person uses the Poly/Cyber combo in competitive play, just in casual, which doesn't need to follow a ban list.

It was sad, I was playing a person last night in the tournement, and I sided into 3 Cyber Dragons, it was just cheap how good they were.

[Exiled]

We'll just let every SJC champs deck and the next National top8 let Cyber Dragon speak. I bet we'll see at least a total of 16-20 Cyber Dragons in each.

In fact, in the Pharoh tour, in the 5 decks they showed on Metagame.com, there were a total of 14 Cyber Dragons. That's 2.8 Cyber Dragons per deck out of a 3.0 limit. Remember when Scapegoats showed the same numbers and it was restricted? Or how Metamorphosis averaged about 2.5 per deck and that was restricted?

Lol, upon further reading, the top8 decklists for the Bremen Pharoh tour consisted of 19 Cyber Dragons which is a 2.375/3.0, so that tells you that every person in the top8 AT LEAST uses 2 Cyber Dragons...now ask yourself why? And no, it isn't because God hates you or that you touch yourself at night, it's because Cyber Dragon is the clostest to a broken monster card that we currently have this format besides the regular old magic staples that have already been limited.

If those arn't enough facts, then you have already failed out of school and are currently working at a Burger King...or McDonalds, whichever is worse.

Overusage has lead to the restriction of many cards, saying there is a fusion is no exception, I'm sorry, but even Konami knows that not a damn person uses the Poly/Cyber combo in competitive play, just in casual, which doesn't need to follow a ban list.

It was sad, I was playing a person last night in the tournement, and I sided into 3 Cyber Dragons, it was just cheap how good they were.
Agreed.

IMO what made cyber dragon powerful isn't his 2100 attack, its his special summoning ability. No matter what happens, you would always maintain field presence. I can see this card at 2 at the most

[BabYcakes]

i think the very reason proto was even made was because they were planning on restricting cyber dragon and they wanted ppl to still be able to fusion summon twin and end.

[King of Dragon]

i think the very reason proto was even made was because they were planning on restricting cyber dragon and they wanted ppl to still be able to fusion summon twin and end.

:cool: I think Kaiser has more reasoning for Proto than that. Also if that was Konami's plan I think it would of had decent stats and NOT having to be on the field to count as Cyber Dragon.

Try stretching 3 Cyber Dragons for that decktype. Hmm it takes 2 for Laser Dragon, 1 for Barrier Dragon, 2 for Twin along with 3 for Cyber End Dragon. Proto Cyber Dragon makes it easier for a REAL cyber dragon deck to work. Its not a sad attempt as a replacement for Cyber Dragon. Better yet try a Cyber Dragon deck with less and less Cyber Dragons. It gets horribly weaker each time.

Also much as they like GX cards. I doubt Konami leave people who are actually going to use Cyber Dragon for its real purpose with a weakling and the people that's abusing it with nothing bad coming their way.

[BabYcakes]

Also much as they like GX cards. I doubt Konami leave people who are actually going to use Cyber Dragon for its real purpose with a weakling and the people that's abusing it with nothing bad coming their way.


konami cares more about the balance in the game than they care about whether or not ppl can play a gx decktype, which isn't good anyway.

[King of Dragon]

:cool: So...bombing a decktype they are making bigger and not touching other decks because Cyber Dragon is an easily replaceable monster is balancing the game?

Beatsticks can easily be put down. This format just happen to be friendly to them. Which is stange with all the removal around.

[BabYcakes]

it's NOT just another beatstick. it's special summon ability is what makes it great. it's used to clear away opp's monster so you can attack with don/reaper/whatever. if cyber was just a normal summon vanilla 2100 monster then nobody would care.

[King of Dragon]

it's NOT just another beatstick. it's special summon ability is what makes it great. it's used to clear away opp's monster so you can attack with don/reaper/whatever. if cyber was just a normal summon vanilla 2100 monster then nobody would care.

The special summon makes it good but, not great. Its the format and the players playstyle that makes it look great. No one wants to lose advantage to they play light as possible. Cyber Dragon just slaps you in the face for that. Also no one would care if there were cards to protect themselves from it. Though their decks are lined with destruction.

It maybe not be just another beatstick. But it IS a beatstick and can be stopped just like one. So it won't take an amazing feat by Konami to do something about that. With a 2400 bug, Yomi Frog, and a few cards that can come back Cyber Dragon shouldn't be a thorn in a players side unless they just don't want to prepare for it and want Konami to make all better.

:rolleyes: I can't count how many times I took someone else's Cyber Dragon to Power Bond it for the win. So I love to see the thing because I'm waiting for it and show how its supposed to be used.

[gameboy18781]

this is why they are coming out with
proto cyber dragon

P.S hundreth post!

[CronoBlaze]

They'll Semi/restrict Cyber Dragon. The fusion have Stein, Morph, and the soon-to-be-released Proto thingies. Cyber Dragon is being used in CC 90% of the time, it should be restricted. Restricting it gives Zombies a little breathing room ^_^

[King of Dragon]

this is why they are coming out with
proto cyber dragon

P.S hundreth post!

:cool: Every card they come out with doesn't mean they are restricting a card. That Proto Cyber Dragon happens to be part of Kaiser's deck and is just an extension to the theme. If it was really meant as a replacement or a sign to restrict it. It would have better stats or an additional effect. Not some weakling that has to be face up on the field to count as Cyber Dragon.

Additional Comment:
They'll Semi/restrict Cyber Dragon. The fusion have Stein, Morph, and the soon-to-be-released Proto thingies. Cyber Dragon is being used in CC 90% of the time, it should be restricted. Restricting it gives Zombies a little breathing room ^_^
Its not really Cyber Dragon as Ryu Kokki can pick it apart. DDA is more a problem since it'll remove the zombies from play instead of putting them in the graveyard.

[CronoBlaze]

:cool: Every card they come out with doesn't mean they are restricting a card. That Proto Cyber Dragon happens to be part of Kaiser's deck and is just an extension to the theme. If it was really meant as a replacement or a sign to restrict it. It would have better stats or an additional effect. Not some weakling that has to be face up on the field to count as Cyber Dragon.

Additional Comment:

Its not really Cyber Dragon as Ryu Kokki can pick it apart. DDA is more a problem since it'll remove the zombies from play instead of putting them in the graveyard.

Nonetheless, Cyber Dragon really puts a damper on Vampire Lord, the heart and soul of Zombies. If Cyber Dragon is restricted, Zombie won't have to be so much CC as it has to be now (3x Saku, 3x Smash, Xx BTH) and run more Zombie-oriented cards. Sure you can BoL a Vamp Lord after it's been attacked by Cyber.....but Cyber is still there.....

DDA nets no advantage against Zombies, it's always a 1 for 1. Cyber nets advantage everytime a Vamp is out. Cyber can also kill Kokki in def (BoM, EC, Tsuki) whereas DDA can't.

I say just restrict both DDA and Cyber. They make up the CC of now >_<

[5610]

Cyber Dragon is weak.

[King of Dragon]

Nonetheless, Cyber Dragon really puts a damper on Vampire Lord, the heart and soul of Zombies. If Cyber Dragon is restricted, Zombie won't have to be so much CC as it has to be now (3x Saku, 3x Smash, Xx BTH) and run more Zombie-oriented cards. Sure you can BoL a Vamp Lord after it's been attacked by Cyber.....but Cyber is still there.....

DDA nets no advantage against Zombies, it's always a 1 for 1. Cyber nets advantage everytime a Vamp is out. Cyber can also kill Kokki in def (BoM, EC, Tsuki) whereas DDA can't.

I say just restrict both DDA and Cyber. They make up the CC of now >_<
That part I can't argue to much against. But, Vampire Lord does suffer from having a lower attack than a tribute monster.

Far as Cyber Dragon is getting a bad rep of being abused in CC decks, when it doesn't need it. I think in April they will handle that without taking out Cyber's deck.

Zombies do need one or two cards to get by. Maybe a stronger Zombie or one that revives itself from battle and getting RFG. Maybe there is something in SOI that can be splashed to put decks splashing Cyber here and there in its place.

[Rudoku]

konami cares more about the balance in the game than they care about whether or not ppl can play a gx decktype, which isn't good anyway.
Explain E-Heroes then.

[gohson]

PROTO CYBER DRAGON WAS NOT MADE AS A REPLACEMENT FOR CYBER DRAGON!!!!!!!!

If it was it wouldn't have to be on the field to count as one. it was made for cyber laser and barrier. this way u can poly/power bond cyber dragon from cyber end dragon/twin dragon and STILL be able to play cyber laser and barrier withut defusion.

[DMOC2826]

They'll Semi/restrict Cyber Dragon. The fusion have Stein, Morph, and the soon-to-be-released Proto thingies. Cyber Dragon is being used in CC 90% of the time, it should be restricted. Restricting it gives Zombies a little breathing room ^_^
Zombies already have breathing room.
3 V-Lords, 3 Turtles, 3 Reapers, 3 books, and 2/3 Kokkis gives zombie decks plenty of breathing room. If you're letting a single Cyber Dragon own your zombie deck, then consider making adjustments ;-/
IMO in today's meta, Kokki>V-Lord, and it takes out CD and all those bad-@$$ warriors.

[_Badfish]

Everybody is saying that the monster that follows is the real problem, which is 100% true.

BUT CYBER DRAGON MAKES EVERYTHING THAT FOLLOWS A PROBLEM

it makes that don or reaper that follows it into a +1 rather than a a use card in your hand. Thats why it needs to be limited.

[Speedo101]

Cyber getting limited is as I've said before "iffy" because its not as great a card as it looks to be.

[TwoTailedFox]

Cyber Dragon is a problem. As has been said, the fact it can be Special Summoned on your second turn is nuts.

[DMOC2826]

Everybody is saying that the monster that follows is the real problem, which is 100% true.

BUT CYBER DRAGON MAKES EVERYTHING THAT FOLLOWS A PROBLEM

it makes that don or reaper that follows it into a +1 rather than a a use card in your hand. Thats why it needs to be limited.
True, but I guess the same can be said for Marauding Captain. ;-/
Cyber Dragon's most valuable asset is giving the user field presence/control, and that it is light for chaos users. Other than that it isn't a major problem. At times it makes for a dead topdeck when your opponent has no monsters on his/her side of the field.
Though Cyber Dragon gives you good field control, it can cause you to use up most of your hand, and that'll eventually lead to topdecking which is never good. Chances are that after the turn you sp. summoned Cyber Dragon, and normal summoned another monster following it, it won't remain on the field very long b/c of all the monster removal cards running rampant in decks (dark hole, smashing, exiled, WR, Sakuretsu Armor, TT, BTH, etc.)
Here's a popular situation I see with Cyber Dragon:
Your opponent has 1 fd card, and 1 set monster
It's your move, and you play MST, then sp. summon Cyber Dragon, play Nobleman of Xout, and then summon another monster like Don or Reaper.< Undoubtely that is a good move b/c you'll inflict good hurt on your opponent's LP and discard a card, however you used up 4 cards in your hand to make the move. And most likely to protect your monsters, you'll lay a Sakuretsu or something face down, which makes a grand total of 5 cards used in 1 turn.
This argument of mine is not to show that Cyber Dragon is not as good as everybody claims it is b/c that would just be hypocritical on my part since I main deck 2 :-P
It is more to show that Cyber Dragon isn't broken or an extremely powerful card. I see it as a great card, and 1 of the best current beasticks in the game. I don't think a restriction of this card is necessary. A semi-restriction would be rather meaningless since most people run it in 2's, and restricting it to 1 is going too far IMHO.

[imcp]

as we all know the meta right now favors aggro-control strategies (at the same time managing the proper card advantage). you would need to constantly go on the offensive (and by offensive I don't mean performing lewd acts :p ) which is why being able to Special Summon monsters (using searchers like Mystic Tomato & whatnot) is so good since you can keep the pressure on your opponent. and like everyone else said, the reason Cyber Dragon's very good (at least right now) because it provides this Special Summoning advantage.

but is it restriction-worthy? IMHO, I don't think so. simply because I believe as more & more new cards are released in sets, and as ppl continue to experiment and develop creative and effective strategies, the meta will eventually change and demand players to adapt to new forms of playstyles. remember all that hype abt Royal Decree being commonized would ruin the game and therefore should be restricted? what abt when Vampire Lord and Marauding Captain were unrestricted? the meta itself will shift and demand us to change, so we all just have to wait and see. I predict that the future meta might force us to conserve hand advantage even more to the point that any form of overextension would be horrible, but like I said, we'll just have to wait and see. maybe by then ppl might swap their Cyber Dragons and put back in Airknight Parshath or something.


I think, in order for us to decide whether a card should be restricted (or even banned altogether) we have to consider whether the card stands through "the test of time". what this means is that if there's a card that seems advantageous and powerful no matter how many times the meta has changed, and only then should we consider it restrict/ban-worthy. I believe Don and Reaper fits this description but I could be wrong. only time will tell I guess.