Spellcaster - Could it be a contendor?

[Scorpion_Soul]

Recently we are seeing SD6 coming out with some - surprisingly smexy support for spellcasters. And it is said the new tins include a much wanted card, Magician's Valkyrie, at least I want it.

Now I believe that with the new support they recieve like dimension magic, they can be quite ferocious. And when you consider the allready powerful Dark Magician deck, and Curtain of Black Magic, WHICH BETTER COME OUT SOON DAMMIT!! I believe that Spellcaster decks and Dark magician decks are going to be seeing alot more play.

However there is much doubt in wether these decks will ever see to much play, the only good spellcasters we have seens include

Injection Fairy Lily, Breaker, Toon Gemini Elf/Gemini Elf, Skilled Dark Magician, Dark Magician of Chaos and Magician of Faith.

Now we get two more monsters added in to the mix - Magician's Valkyrie and Magical beast Cerbrus.

Not to mention the new Dimension Magic which made my old Spell caster deck say 'Holy momma!'

So what do you think, with the new support being handed to them on a silver platter and no doubt konami and upperdeck are going to keep releasing Dark Magician support, can the decks be powerful? And dare I say it, can they become regionals worthy?

[Tormented Magic]

Yes i think they will because some of the cards that are only in japanese are eventually be released in America and trust me theres alot more cards...

[Scorpion_Soul]

OMFG! YOU MUST TELL ME NOW!!!

Spellcasters have allways been a favorite of mine, so can you tell me what support cards our out in Japan that might be coming soon?

[Scorpion_Soul]

OMFG! YOU MUST TELL ME NOW!!!

Spellcasters have allways been a favorite of mine, so can you tell me what support cards our out in Japan that might be coming soon?

[King of Dragon]

We don't know yet. Maybe keeping an eye on the OCG forum would help out more than asking here.

[whitekidfro88]

This deck type will definately be good...can it win in a regional, there is a chance imo...better than that junk dark world deck that got all that hype

[Scorpion_Soul]

This deck type will definately be good...can it win in a regional, there is a chance imo...better than that junk dark world deck that got all that hype
Man they say DW pawns Donny, but I just switch to Donny's second effect.

[darkness14]

i'm acutally working on a toolbox spellcaster deck right now hopefully it works but the decks are possible to make

[minez01]

If you take into account all the people who have been waiting for this structure deck just for the new support, there will be a ****load of spellcaster decks out there to compete with. Soon enough, they'll hit the big time.

[Tisiphone]

There might be A slight increase but CC decks will always be popular:D

[Mage Master]

Yeah, the deck type will be good, will it win a regional? Possibly, I hope it will anyway.

[XYZ_Dragon_Ruler]

Spellcasters can be very good. I actually run a spellcaster deck on YVD and it regularly beats your average CC.

[SuperJay]

Spellcasters just became all the more playable and even competative and you'll see them pop up like crazy at tournaments and events from this point on in TCG.

Like when SD5 came out, many players bought it and we saw many younger players play it straight from the box while more experienced players dissected the deck and switched a few things.

The same will happen, you will likely see inexperienced players play it from the box with only 1 change (MoF), and you will see experienced players build up on what is in it and make a power house.

However, it won't be until Mimic Illusionist (Copycat) makes it to TCG where Spellcasters will be able to start trumping warrior deck and some CCs on a regular basis.

As it stands, the biggest problem for theme decks vs CC decks is that CCs use Cyber Dragons and DDAs.
A warrior deck could run DD Survivor to deal with DDA and Goblin Attack Force for Cyber Dragon, both searchable by RotA.
A zombie deck can search out Ryu Kokki with the turtles to deal with Cyber Dragon, and spirit reapers as a wall for DDAs.
A fiend deck has Goblin Elite Attack Force for cyber dragon and Newdoria for DDA.

Spellcaster have.... no 2200+ beatsticks other then the pricey and restricted IFL to deal with Cyber Dragons. Remove the DDAs... by relying on.. old vindictive magician flipping DDA the bird?
Dimension magic helps immensely now as a versatile card to destroy Either Cyber Dragon or DDA.
But still lack a beatstick monster to combat them.
Mimic Illusionist in 3s comes in handy here, suicide into the cyber dragon or DDA to clear the way for your other attackers. He's searchable by Sangan and apprentice magician.

Lets hope that Spellcasters will get themselves a 2200+ drawback beatstick soon, then they will be even greater.

-SuperJay

[Piroko]

In theory, Magical Marionette could be a hoser against Cyber Dragons, but that's rather situational.

[SuperJay]

In theory, Magical Marionette could be a hoser against Cyber Dragons, but that's rather situational.

Yes that is true, however MM being a 5 star monster means tributing or having to declare an attack for Magician's Circle or using Magical Dimension, then you have to get at least 1 counter on him.

I'm talking about needing something with 2100-2300 ATK that is 4 star with a drawback, but a spellcaster. Even Insects are getting a 2400 beatstick in SOI.

Dark Elf is ooold, and she's waay too expensive in today's game, really 1000LP to attack with 2000? now, if it was 400LP as a cost, then she'd be a toned down IFL and would be somewhat playable, use a field card to boost her up.

Spellcasters are the last major type of monster needing a big 4 star to deal with cyber dragon abuse and compete with the other big 2100-2300 beatsticks.

Sure you could say Armor Exe would be one, but he's horribly expensive and not a spellcaster (rock). I've tried using him, even with 3 x pitch black power stones and, SDM and library for counters, he's too expensive.

Lets hope Konami will make something good in EOJ Spellcasters can use.
-SuperJay

[Darkriku3]

Yes that is true, however MM being a 5 star monster means tributing or having to declare an attack for Magician's Circle or using Magical Dimension, then you have to get at least 1 counter on him.

I'm talking about needing something with 2100-2300 ATK that is 4 star with a drawback, but a spellcaster. Even Insects are getting a 2400 beatstick in SOI.

Dark Elf is ooold, and she's waay too expensive in today's game, really 1000LP to attack with 2000? now, if it was 400LP as a cost, then she'd be a toned down IFL and would be somewhat playable, use a field card to boost her up.

Spellcasters are the last major type of monster needing a big 4 star to deal with cyber dragon abuse and compete with the other big 2100-2300 beatsticks.

Sure you could say Armor Exe would be one, but he's horribly expensive and not a spellcaster (rock). I've tried using him, even with 3 x pitch black power stones and, SDM and library for counters, he's too expensive.

Lets hope Konami will make something good in EOJ Spellcasters can use.
-SuperJay


um.. but you really think that out of all the types, spellcaster needs anymore support?
how about some good dino support? or sea serphant support? eh?
lemme guess you think dragons don't have enough support either?
this game is getting so lopisided, almost all the good cards are Feinds spellcasters, dragons and machines and DEFFINATLLY warriors, all the others get piddly little support.

i mean when was the last good thunder card made? zaborg, before that? nothing.
why did they even make there types if they refuse to support them?
oh and wind also gets VERY little anything, I doubt the new structure will fix this.

[Beast of Gilfer]

Yes that is true, however MM being a 5 star monster means tributing or having to declare an attack for Magician's Circle or using Magical Dimension, then you have to get at least 1 counter on him.

I'm talking about needing something with 2100-2300 ATK that is 4 star with a drawback, but a spellcaster. Even Insects are getting a 2400 beatstick in SOI.

Dark Elf is ooold, and she's waay too expensive in today's game, really 1000LP to attack with 2000? now, if it was 400LP as a cost, then she'd be a toned down IFL and would be somewhat playable, use a field card to boost her up.

Spellcasters are the last major type of monster needing a big 4 star to deal with cyber dragon abuse and compete with the other big 2100-2300 beatsticks.

Sure you could say Armor Exe would be one, but he's horribly expensive and not a spellcaster (rock). I've tried using him, even with 3 x pitch black power stones and, SDM and library for counters, he's too expensive.

Lets hope Konami will make something good in EOJ Spellcasters can use.
-SuperJay

What about Mythical Beast Cerberus? It's pretty good and is searchable by Shining Angel, Sangan and Magician's Circle.

[morphing jar]

I think Spellcasters have an immense amount of decent-good support. A true dedicated player may be able to make a very competitive deck, I'm going to go down that road because Spellcasters are jus sick.

[Bob2]

Alright, I've done a great deal of testing with Spellcasters, and here's my preliminary verdict:


Spellcasters get a GREAT asset in Yomi Frog. Tributable for Dimensional Magic and also Phoenix.

DMOC's OTK capability is just a shame. With DMOC restricted to 1, it hurts. He is the greatest weapon in the Spellcaster arsenal, and the main reason for running Dimensional Magic.

Instead of taking the TTOC + SDM/Marionette route, I think it's better to just try to beat opponents with Reasoning/Yomi Frog/Kycoos/Phoenix.

Reasoning seems to work perfectly:

1 - MOF, Yomi Frog
2 - Apprentice Magician, Hand of Nepthys
3 - Sangan, IFL
4 - SDM, Kycoo, Breaker, GK Spies
5 - Splashed Cyber Dragon(s)?
7 - Sacred Phoenix
8 - DMOC

What are the chances of your opponent guessing right? Not likely.

I'm not one to try to "pioneer" anything, but I will go out and say this now:

Reasoning will be the key card in North American Spellcaster decks.

With that said, I believe Spellcasters have the ability to lay down a serious swarm upon the opponent.

One problem. Last Day of Witch. Because of that card's printing and easy attainability I do not have high hopes for Spellcasters to take on the CC with success in Duels 2 and 3.

It'd be nice to see an actual theme deck like this succeed, as Dimensional Magic is one of the best theme-support cards in the entire game. Konami should be making more cards that have the activation requirement of a "faceup Spellcaster/Fiend/Etc".

If DMOC or Phoenix go to 2 it'd be a whole different ballgame, but I don't see it happening.

[SuperJay]

um.. but you really think that out of all the types, spellcaster needs anymore support?
how about some good dino support? or sea serphant support? eh?
lemme guess you think dragons don't have enough support either?
this game is getting so lopisided, almost all the good cards are Feinds spellcasters, dragons and machines and DEFFINATLLY warriors, all the others get piddly little support.

i mean when was the last good thunder card made? zaborg, before that? nothing.
why did they even make there types if they refuse to support them?
oh and wind also gets VERY little anything, I doubt the new structure will fix this.

Did I say the other types didn't need support? No.
OF COURSE the other types need more support...

My post was about Insects, Fiends, Warriors and Beast-Warriors having 2200-2400 4 star beatsticks while other types such as spellcasters lack one.

Why do you think warriors are so popular? They're the most supported monster, they have a 2300 4 star beatstick, an easy too create marauding lock, DD family, a 2600 4 star defense, easy face down killing with MS lv2, 2 searchers going for them, best type-searcher with RotA, etc.

If all types of monsters were given this kind of support, then they may be more popular and there'd be seen more in larger competitions.

My post was about adding a 2200-2300 beatstick to the spellcaster lineup to make them match up closer to Warriors.
It's bad enough that spellcasters in TCG lack decent cards like Magician's Valkyria, Mimic Illusionist, The Tricky, Summon Priest, etc.

Yes Dragons need more support too, they've barely gotten any good cards in like 5 sets. The PP9 Dragon Newts in OCG are great... too bad TCG won't see them for likely years to come. Sure rare metal dragon is 2400 4-star, but isn't very playable without a lord of D + flute, or king dragun or getting lucky in a cyber jar draw to get him out.

Spellcaster, Dragons, even machines and Fiends may have many cards in their pool, but many aren't that great or sub-par compared to the support Warriors have.

So what I ask is, where should the priority be placed by Konami?
On adding 3-5 cards to Spellcasters, Dragons, Fiends, Insects, Machines, Zombies, Beast-Warriors, Fairies and Water to push those decks over the top and be on the same level as Warriors?
Or adding 10-12 cards to Beasts, Fire, Dinosaur, Rock, Winged-Beasts to make them on par with Warriors?
Or adding 15-20 cards to Plants, Thunder, Sea Serpents, Reptiles to make them on par with Warriors?

If we go with the first option first, the game would change drastically sooner rather then later, allowing several decks to become competative all at once. It would be fun and exciting.
If Konami dumps more ressources on the bottom decks, then we'll have to wait longer for the support to be released for the higher up decks, and could be seen as slow.

-SuperJay

[Lucifer10]

Spellcasters will always be good. I do believe that they could have Regional capability. Spellcasters are awesome. I run a half spellcaster and half zombie.