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zephyr_
01-15-2006, 05:38 PM
Dimension Wall IMO is underrated and can be better than cylinder.

W/ cylinder, their atk is completely negated while w/ wall it still goes through.

So I'm considering in a say tamato/rat/searcher control deck wouldn't wall be better because it will still trigger the effect AND do damage.

Just thinking of a use for this card because everyone has dimissed it as a "there's a better card" type of card.

Opinions?

NLFW
01-15-2006, 05:53 PM
but it will do very few damage...if they attack your giant rat with a cyber dragon and you use dimension wall, they only take 700...

zephyr_
01-15-2006, 05:55 PM
Thats true. However I'm mostly emphasizing the fact that you will still get a search.

Radical Dreamer
01-15-2006, 05:59 PM
You're right, it can be better than magical cylinder in some cases, it's just like it is with waboku/negate attack/threateninng roar, each card can support different decks.

The problem with wall though is that people tend to not run unchainables anymore because most already run zoo much of them in the form of several sakuretsus, bottomless, torrential and call (unless you have sangan/jinzo in grave of course ^_^).
And because these traps are so widely used everyone mains or sides dust tornado and moebius in multiples or even royal decree.
I'm afraid d wall won't get any love soon.
Maybe after the next banlist though.

Airknight
01-15-2006, 06:01 PM
cylinder is better in most situations. if you are gonna use dimension wall to do serveral hundred damage, why dont you just use poison of the old man?

dimension is really underated though, but it just cant be run in this format with everybody using 2~3 mobius and Dust~

zephyr_
01-15-2006, 06:15 PM
Yes I know it's unrunable (lol) but i'm just talking about it's comparison to cylinder.

baaaaaa123
01-15-2006, 06:17 PM
3x Dimension Wall and a Cylinder could be nasty. In a weird burner type deck. In a conventional deck, they both suck.

KogyochiBJ
01-15-2006, 08:13 PM
I ran a Ceasefire, Cylinders and Dimension Wall in a beatdownish deck of mine, won a tournement and was runner-up a few times in a good meta. I like to run Cylinders obv. over Dimension Wall, having both creates a lot of bad card management, but it works after your opponent goes to 0 lp's.

BeeLegendary
01-15-2006, 09:43 PM
play Dimension Wall with Strike Ninja and it will make you happy.

cyber dragon attack your ninja. remove ninja. let cyber dragon run into wall.

TheDarkVampire
01-15-2006, 10:13 PM
Dimension Wall IMO is underrated and can be better than cylinder.

W/ cylinder, their atk is completely negated while w/ wall it still goes through.

So I'm considering in a say tamato/rat/searcher control deck wouldn't wall be better because it will still trigger the effect AND do damage.

Just thinking of a use for this card because everyone has dimissed it as a "there's a better card" type of card.

Opinions?
i still find cylinder to be better by far

Kos4Evr
01-16-2006, 02:31 AM
The only thing I can see as being good about Dimension Wall is using it to stop a direct attack. That Don Z getting ready to steal a card from your hand? Throw it back in their face. I wonder, if through the effect of Dimension Wall a player's Don Z does damage to his (or her) own lp, will they then fall victim to the effects of their own Don Z?

Aeto
01-16-2006, 03:32 AM
3x Dimension Wall and a Cylinder could be nasty. In a weird burner type deck. In a conventional deck, they both suck.

Huuray for people who have no idea what they're talking about!

Sak Armor is a great card. However, Cylinder has won me many more games directly. While Sak takes care of that monster threat, Cylinder really surprises the opponent when they pump up their monster and expect a victory. In essence, Cylinder does not suck. It's just not as good in this format. But, seeing as how I'm the only one who knows it is possible to win without using all cards that gain you advantage, I don't expect anybody else to realize this...

On topic, though, Dimensional Wall cannot be Cylinder. If a Cyber Dragon is attack my Tomato, why do I want to search for a monster that is just as weak? I'll use Cylinder to deal 2100 damage, or I'll use Sak Armor to just kill the blasted thing. Either way, I win.

BTW, BeeLegendary, too bad that situation causes a Replay, huh? Then your opponent may wonder what the heck you're up to, because removing a Strike Ninja that is essentially your buffer, will make him nervous. Plus, just use a Cylinder and it will negate the attack, thus saving you two Darks from your grave for, say, a Smashing Ground.

Chronos
01-16-2006, 03:46 AM
DW is hugley underrated, it is a card that works well in any searcher deck. It combos very well with Sangan.

Use this card in your tomato control decks!

Lord_Fluff
01-16-2006, 06:34 AM
DW is hugley underrated, it is a card that works well in any searcher deck. It combos very well with Sangan.

Use this card in your tomato control decks!

it is always great against beastdown, or even GK with there spear soldiers, and with anything that swarms with big dudes aka zombies

dkates
01-16-2006, 06:56 AM
The only thing I can see as being good about Dimension Wall is using it to stop a direct attack. That Don Z getting ready to steal a card from your hand? Throw it back in their face. I wonder, if through the effect of Dimension Wall a player's Don Z does damage to his (or her) own lp, will they then fall victim to the effects of their own Don Z?

'Twould be hilarious, but no. Only if Don Zaloog does Battle Damage to the Life Points of its controller's opponent will its effect activate.

Chronos
01-16-2006, 07:28 AM
it is always great against beastdown, or even GK with there spear soldiers, and with anything that swarms with big dudes aka zombies

I use it in my Strike control deck with 2 tomatos and 1 sanagn, I love seeing my opponents face when they hit my sangan with a monarch and end up taking 1400 dmge whilst I get to put my lovely cyber jar in my hand ready to set it next turn :D

Darkriku3
01-16-2006, 08:44 AM
The only thing I can see as being good about Dimension Wall is using it to stop a direct attack. That Don Z getting ready to steal a card from your hand? Throw it back in their face. I wonder, if through the effect of Dimension Wall a player's Don Z does damage to his (or her) own lp, will they then fall victim to the effects of their own Don Z?

are you on drugs?
read the card, "inflict direct damage"
does that sound like battle damage to you?

Romancer
01-16-2006, 02:30 PM
Lava Golem x3 + Mask of Darkness x3 + Dimension Wall x3 = a great start for a Dimension Wall deck. Use Spirirt Reapers or Heart of Clear Water and weak monsters and/or Staunch Defender, and this card could be extremely useful.

Other than in a deck built to capitalize on it's effect, Magic Cylinder is better. I'd rather do damage and save my monster (the burn damage is the perk), than do damage and lose my monsters.

Kos4Evr
01-16-2006, 02:54 PM
are you on drugs?
read the card, "inflict direct damage"
does that sound like battle damage to you?

The text and rulings of Dimension Wall.

You can only activate this card when your opponent declares an attack with a monster. Instead of you, your opponent takes the Battle Damage you would have taken as a result of this battle.
Rulings
# The effect of "Dimension Wall" is applied during damage calculation and cannot be chained to.
# If your opponent already activated "Waboku" this turn, then they cannot take battle damage, so you cannot activate "Dimension Wall". However, you can chain "Dimension Wall" to "Waboku" if the timing is appropriate.
# If "Don Zaloog" attacks and "Dimension Wall" is used, neither player gets the effect of "Don Zaloog".
# "Dimension Wall" is not an effect that targets.

So tell me, which one of us sounds like we are on drugs?