The fiend megacyber vs, cyber dragon

[masterswrd]

Hey, all not to start a flame or anything but, why is cyber dragon so good when its former counter part the fiend megacyber was out way before that well the erratta didnt come till dark begining but still the only key differences between the cards are that cyber dragon only requires that your oppent only has 1 or more monsters thatn you while the fiend megacyber has 100 atk points more and requires two or more, so the question I have to ask is that now that his effect is special summon, instead of normal when he came out will people use this guy more often and is thier some common ground in which both cards could be utilized in a deck, plz give your thoughs on the comparison of these tow cards and your thoughs on which would be better to use and also is there a chance that both cards could be used in a deck effectivily tnx

[TheDarkVampire]

cyber dragons better by far nuff said

[zephyr_]

STOP!!!!

cyber dragon pwns the megacyber--this is almost as bad as the "is breaker still main deck worthy" thread.

It's insane!!!

[ChaosNinja12]

Instead of saying that Cyber Dragon is better, I'll actually gives you a reason.

Cyber Dragon is better because it offers an advantage of going second. All you need is for your opponent to have one monster. Easy to special summon, decent tribute bait, nice beat stick.

Fiend Mega Cyber has one big problem with it. It needs TWO monsters in order to be effective. Most players now don't like to over extend on monsters. If two monsters are on the field, they likely won't be on there for long. Also, even if you manage to special summon it, it will likely die that turn or the turn after, negating your advantage.

I used to think Mega Cyber was good too but not anywhere near as good as Cyber Dragon. If you dont' own Cyber Dragon, don't use this as a replacement. Find another monster.

And that's about it.

[Dark_Ruler_Shen]

goats has been restricted therefore limiting the chances of fiend megacyber hittin the field, whereas cyber dragon will always c a f.d reaper or tomato. one monster 2 offset the special summon is better then 2, and being a light along with easy tribute bait, makes it the best opening summoner.

[masterswrd]

vampy- would have expected a better response than that out of you

enigma- no, I will not stop these are questions running through ppls head around here

chaosninja- thank, you for your post and explination,but I have to counter on this one usually cyber dragon does get destroyed as fiend megacyber would and not every player is consernd about adavatage, but your explanation is valid it is easier to get the cyber out than to wait until the opponent has two monsters instead of one, but think outside the box, with the ban list still as it is and act as though cyber were never released, now would the choice turn to fiend megacyber who is its fomer counter part, if cyber is banned or restricted because of the release of proto-cyber in soi will people turn to this former counter part the fiend megacyber or move to something new?

dark ruler sen- the fiend megacyber is a dark and warrior which has alot of support and he is just a tributable as the cyber, and with his low defense at 1200 points he will more than likly have less defence than your normal summon meaning that samshing groud will leave him on the field where as cyber dragons 1600 def is pretty high for this meat and would be the primary target of smashing ground

[Blankauctions]

Cyber Dragon can give instant field advantage to players, that's why people want it limited (which it should be by next banlist).

Megacyber just isn't a replacement.

[zephyr_]

vampy- would have expected a better response than that out of you

enigma- no, I will not stop these are questions running through ppls head around here

chaosninja- thank, you for your post and explination,but I have to counter on this one usually cyber dragon does get destroyed as fiend megacyber would and not every player is consernd about adavatage, but your explanation is valid it is easier to get the cyber out than to wait until the opponent has two monsters instead of one, but think outside the box, with the ban list still as it is and act as though cyber were never released, now would the choice turn to fiend megacyber who is its fomer counter part, if cyber is banned or restricted because of the release of proto-cyber in soi will people turn to this former counter part the fiend megacyber or move to something new?


My bad, i meant "WAIT!" but it doesn't matter anyway....

No people wont turn to megacyber if dragon is hindered because it's simply not as good a card. If your down that much in field presence then summoning a 22oo beatsick(vanilla beatstick) isn't going to help that much.

I also believe that megacyber isn't special summon? could be wrong but...

[Kos4Evr]

Yes the points are valid. Even when Scapegoats were being abused in 3's every one said there was no reason to play The Fiend Megacyber. There is Ojama Trio and Fiend Megacyber can still be a free summon if you have an monster on your side of the field. Megacyber is like many warriors: not all that powerful alone but very combo friendly. Also I made this same comparison before the release of Cyber Dragon I believe and you will get the same results I did. Let the people have their cookie cutter cards. Keep the original ideas where they will help you out the most.

[Blankauctions]

I also believe that megacyber isn't special summon? could be wrong but...


You can Special Summon this card from your hand if your opponent has at least 2 more monsters on the field than you do.


it says it on the card. You might be thinking of Swift Gaia the Fierce Knight, which is considered a Normal Summon.

[masterswrd]

blank auctions- care to explain why it isnt a replacement

enigma- the fiend megacyber wasnt special summon until drak begginings 1 where they reprinted it

kos4evr- thx thats the way I feel but I want to see them explain themsleves and to see why they over look it when it has only one more monster required than cyber to be special summoned

[Marzy]

There is a line between creativity and inferiority, and Fiend Megacyber crosses it. It is simply inferior, no way around it.

First, it needs 2 monsters to whip out. You won't see that often, and if you do, you should expect to have lost a lot of LP in the process.

If Scapegoat were still available, I could see Fiend Megacyber as weird anti-meta tech. But Goats aren't, so it makes it a lot harder to but Fiend Megacyber to use, unless you want to put yourself at a disadvantege.

But, back to how it's inferior. The biggest problem I see is that for giving your opponent that extra monster just so you can free summon Fiend Megacyber, you gain a whole 100 ATK. ... 100 ATK...! That simply is not worth the pains you go through. Add on an additional normal summon, and congrats, you're even with your opponent in terms of card advantege. And you have a 2200 Beatstick and some other unknown to show for it.

With Cyber Dragon, it is simply a lot easier to use the effect towards a free summon. Only one monster is needed out, so you're not in such a desperate strait yet. Also, it has 2100 ATK, not a lot less than Megacyber who demands another monster's presence on your opponent's side of the field. That unknown you summon alongside Cyber Dragon has a good shot of getting a clear shot. A luxury not afforded by Fiend Megacyber.

Finally, Megacyber offers no extra protection or no nifty effect for the extra effort it demands to come out. Just the extra 100 ATK. Convinience sides with Cyber Dragon, and it would take an uber cool effect to convince anyone that Megacyber is better.

Megacyber isn't as much bang for the buck as Cyber Dragon is, so to speak.

[lordjar]

Fiend Megacyber is better than Cyber Dragon for these reasons

Warrior Returning Alive... sees more action even after initial defeat
100 extra attack
Dark (Deck Devastation Virus Accessible)[Combines Well with Warrior Returning Alive]
Also... you can have monsters on your side of the field AND still summon Fiend Megacyber

That's pretty much it...

[masterswrd]

yes, this is true but when you combine the fiend megacyber with the card you normal summon, it becomes a whole new ball game think does what you bring out help cyber no, it goes for your advantage, while now that you have two, I use my normal summon to bring out a commans knight now he is a 2800 atk with a 1600 atk side kick the reason I figure that the fiend megacyber is at least on par with cyber is that while is a nuisance to wait for the two monsters instead of one with the megacyber being a warrior he has alot more support to help out with the wait

Lordjar- has the right idea what the megacyber lacks in waiting he makes up for with the combos that can be utilized, while playing your cyber dragon you are just worried about your advantage

[lordjar]

You could always use Ojama Trio to speed things up, then Vortex them afterwards...or kill em, preferably running Final Attack Orders to hit them for major damage.

[Marzy]

Warrior Returning Alive - Hardly used
100 Extra ATK - Not worth it
Dark Attribute - There are many darks that are far better
Deck Destruction Virus - Better targets for this too

Adding a specific card to make another useful is bad news. Combo potential is nice, but you do not want one card to rely on another to overcome weaknesses and become useful, especially when another far easier to abuse option is available.

As for quick special summons, Gigantes would be better than Fiend Megacyber. Earth is also well supported, death in battle brings an otherwise free Heavy Storm, and it too is a special summon that doesn't need any extra help to become effective.

<.< Oh, and it depends on your resource too, not your opponent's. If you and your opponent are topdecking, both Cyber Dragon and Fiend Megacyber screw you badly. Gigantes is still useable.

Gigantes = closer to CD replacement than Fiend Megacyber.

As for what Cyber Dragon has...

Limiter Removal
Light (easy Chaos food for Sorcerer, and Light is in higher demand)
Heavy Mech Support Platform (uber fun Union)

Machines have combo potential too. =/

I certainly mean no disrespect, but I simply cannot understand what Fiend Megacyber has that makes it a clearly better choice than Cyber Dragon.

[masterswrd]

The one main reason the fiend megacyber is on par with cyber is that he can be used in so many more ways than cyber dragon without worrining about advantage, and this brings it to the forefront sure he may go down next turn but cyber doesnt usually last more than 1 turn anyways, so basically its a matter of wheather you think the advantage is important or make the more original ideal and be gutsy and go for a combo which in turn could give you the same if not more advantage. I am not saying that megacyber is a good topdeck, but cyber isnt a good one if your oppent has no monsters and you have none to tribute, also there are combos with the dragon but how often do you see the heavy mech used, and I wont even touch on the giantes, becuase this discusion is meant for cyber dragon and megacyber, no disrespect to you or the card but if and only if limiter were not banned is the only way you would see this card in a combo and not advantage situation where as the megacyber is the exact opposite, both cards have thier points but I think that megacyber comes out on top becuase of his versitility with combos and the amount of combos avaiable to him, even though the wait is a pain, cyber dragon is less of a hasle but the wait is worth it if you apply the combos

[TheDarkVampire]

vampy- would have expected a better response than that out of you


Hmm ok ok

First Cyber Dragon can give you an early game advantage(saying turn 2) or an late game advantage

I know Fiend can too

but Cyber dragon seems a bit faster

how can i explain this??hmmm

got it

cyber dragons comes into the filed when i have no monsters but i need 2 to sp fiend which is kind of bad in late game when my opponent is beating the hell out of me with 1 monster and then i draw fiend i'll get pwnz for sure... now drawing cyber would be cool

after all people use cyber mostly cause its light (damn cookie cutter) and fiend mostly fits in warrior deck

and i once used fiend when it first come out not thinking in use it again though

[Blake`]

megacyber is ok. not great. i can see it being sided in against dark world and soul control and swarm/stall maybe. maybe. but prolly not. but maybe. just that chance of it being dead in ur hand is the reason not to use it.



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[kingPoonDragun]

Megacyber is like many warriors: not all that powerful alone but very combo friendly.

i agree on one point. Megacyber is combo friendly. i'll even go you one further, it's combo dependent... well, maybe not exactly. but Cyber Dragon is fast, fast, and free! together those two are like, exponential, to the power of lots.

the extra turn is just too much in THIS meta.

[Kenjiblade]

enigma- the fiend megacyber wasnt special summon until drak begginings 1 where they reprinted it

Stop saying that! >_<

"The Fiend Megacyber" has always been a Special Summon when using its effect; the DB1-EN printing of the card's text simply made this extremely clear.

Oh, and I don't want to be completely off-topic, so I'll provide this short opinion of mine:

"Cyber Dragon" is fast; in contrast, "The Fiend Megacyber" is sl-o-o-o-o-w. The extra 100 ATK doesn't make up for its lack of speed.

Note how TFM has been out forever, and has seen little action; I'm afraid this has nothing to do with the fact that DB1-EN made its effect easier to understand, being that it has worked that way from the start.

The reason no one plays TFM is because a 2200 ATK monster when your opponent already has 2 monsters on the field is rarely going to help you as much as you think. If TFM had 200-300 more ATK, then it may have been a more viable card.

[Marzy]

The one main reason the fiend megacyber is on par with cyber is that he can be used in so many more ways than cyber dragon without worrining about advantage, and this brings it to the forefront sure he may go down next turn but cyber doesnt usually last more than 1 turn anyways, so basically its a matter of wheather you think the advantage is important or make the more original ideal and be gutsy and go for a combo which in turn could give you the same if not more advantage. I am not saying that megacyber is a good topdeck, but cyber isnt a good one if your oppent has no monsters and you have none to tribute, also there are combos with the dragon but how often do you see the heavy mech used, and I wont even touch on the giantes, becuase this discusion is meant for cyber dragon and megacyber, no disrespect to you or the card but if and only if limiter were not banned is the only way you would see this card in a combo and not advantage situation where as the megacyber is the exact opposite, both cards have thier points but I think that megacyber comes out on top becuase of his versitility with combos and the amount of combos avaiable to him, even though the wait is a pain, cyber dragon is less of a hasle but the wait is worth it if you apply the combos
A.) You supported lordjar for mentioning Deck Destruction Virus, a card that is just as restricted as Limiter Removal. Double standards don't work...

B.) How often do you see Command Knight used? In a dedicated Warrior deck only. Same theory with Heavy Mech Platform. How often do you see Warrior Returning Alive used? Again, Warrior deck, if that. Same theory with Limiter. >.> See a pattern?

C.) A combo is merely 2 or more cards working in concert toward the same end (ie. Putting the opponent at a disadvantege). Cyber Dragon opens up at least the same potential as Fiend Megacyber. Granted, you have to look at a broader picture, but the combo potential is there.

Ex. Your opponent has Berserk Gorilla on the field and a Saku Armor down.
You S. Summon Cyber Dragon.
You N. Summon Breaker the Magical Warrior.
You "break" the Saku.
Cyber Dragon attacks Gorilla.
Breaker attacks direct.

You used two cards to destroy your opponent's field advantege and build your own. Not only that, you did a nice 1700 damage to go with it, Fiend Megacyber isn't afforded that luxury.

Another ex. Your opponent has Berserk Gorilla on the field.
You S. Summon Cyber Dragon.
You N. Summon Don Zaloog.
Dragon attacks Gorilla.
Don attacks direct.
Your opponent discards Heavy Storm (o.O).

-1500, and a precious Storm. Is not bad for a days work.

That example is another strength that Cyber Dragon has over Fiend Megacyber. It's faster and can clear that one mon in the way for a direct attack. This makes Don Zaloog and Spirit Reaper's job easy. With Megacyber, you have to summon another monster with respectable ATK to even break even on card advantege. You may get Megacyber and Command Knight out, but Cyber Dragon and Don picking off a Storm is more appealing to me.

[ChaosNinja12]

chaosninja- thank, you for your post and explination,but I have to counter on this one usually cyber dragon does get destroyed as fiend megacyber would and not every player is consernd about adavatage, but your explanation is valid it is easier to get the cyber out than to wait until the opponent has two monsters instead of one, but think outside the box, with the ban list still as it is and act as though cyber were never released, now would the choice turn to fiend megacyber who is its fomer counter part, if cyber is banned or restricted because of the release of proto-cyber in soi will people turn to this former counter part the fiend megacyber or move to something new?


Just about every large tournament player is concerned about advantage. Advantage wins games. Plain and simple. You want me to think outside the box, but you must realize that Mega Cyber wasn't played before Cyber Dragon and won't be played if it is restricted, which I don't think it should be. It's just a beatstick. Proto won't be played much outside of Cyber Dragon/Fusion decks and people won't turn to Mega Cyber. They would be better off trying something new.

[SilentMagician2006]

cyber dragon rules. megacyber is allright for those with a budget deck like myself.(but i always pull something goodfrom the booster packs.)

[Chronos]

Megacyber sucks, end of discussion.

[dd_assasin1]

cyber dragons better by far nuff said
yup yup yup. lemme elaborate on what thedarkvampire quoted. cyber dragons r a lot better than fiend megacyber b/c it is easier to special summon cyber dragon. when ur opponent has a monster on the feild and u dont it is special summoned, while fiend megacyber's effect is when ur opponent has 2 more monsters than u on the feild then u can special summon this. apparently u dont own cyber dragons b/c u dont see how easy it is to get them out. would u go thru 2 direct attacks just to summon a 2200 on the feild? most people have only 1 or 2 monsters at most when playing. since cyber dragon only requires 1 on ur opponent side of feild and u have nothing and top decking, cyber dragon is the way to go. u dont wanna top deck a megacyber and find out u cant summon it cause they dont have 2 monsters on the feild, thats like drawing a mobius lol when ur about to lose. u should get cyber dragons and try it out, and also try out megacyber and see which one is better.

[YamiJoey40K]

Cyber Dragon's are better, but what's everyone saying? Only a few people ACTUALLY realise the potential of Mega Cyber!?! Admitedly situational, but think about it;

~ If your opponent has 3 monster on field. You can summon Cyber Dragon, then Mega Cyber, then summon something else cool!!! (Marauding Captain/Nephthys for major abuse of advantage) That's 3 monsters on the field which matches their 3.

~ If they have 3 monsters and you have a Spirit Reaper. Cyber Dragon can't be summoned, but what's this? Mega Cyber can!!!

The fact it's a DARK Warrior is a let down (Means it has nothing amazing that it can combo with). If it were a 5* WATER... It'd be broken, but apart from that, good lol.

<3 Mega Cyber <3

YJ

[Marzy]

Does it have potential to be useful? Sure it does, being a Warrior AND Dark affords a lot of support.

Is it better than Cyber Dragon? Far from it.

[mr.topdecker]

yes cyber dragon helps much more

[xxbyexx]

cyber is much better and thats all i have

[ChaosNinja12]

~ If your opponent has 3 monster on field. You can summon Cyber Dragon, then Mega Cyber, then summon something else cool!!!

Not many players who care about advantage will put 3 monsters on the field.

I'm not saying Mega Cyber is bad. It's just not a good as Cyber Dragon, as that was what the thread was about.

[birdman2]

cyber dragon is much better the fiend megacyber is pretty good and is second best but cyber dragon beats it. i actually use the fiend megacyber in my warrior deck http://www.pojo.biz/board/showthread.php?t=244981

[TheDarkVampire]

yup yup yup. lemme elaborate on what thedarkvampire quoted. cyber dragons r a lot better than fiend megacyber b/c it is easier to special summon cyber dragon. when ur opponent has a monster on the feild and u dont it is special summoned, while fiend megacyber's effect is when ur opponent has 2 more monsters than u on the feild then u can special summon this. apparently u dont own cyber dragons b/c u dont see how easy it is to get them out. would u go thru 2 direct attacks just to summon a 2200 on the feild? most people have only 1 or 2 monsters at most when playing. since cyber dragon only requires 1 on ur opponent side of feild and u have nothing and top decking, cyber dragon is the way to go. u dont wanna top deck a megacyber and find out u cant summon it cause they dont have 2 monsters on the feild, thats like drawing a mobius lol when ur about to lose. u should get cyber dragons and try it out, and also try out megacyber and see which one is better.
thanks for that lol

[lordjar]

If anything... lets just agree that Cyber Dragon is more splashable and that the fiend megacyber is just the warrior version of the now popular cyber dragon...

I'm willing to compromise that... sure I know that in the end, everyone will favor cyber dragon over megacyber simply because it is a popular monster (probably will always be one too), but you always hear that if you have a deck with awesome field management, that cyber dragon is terrible. So I argue that they both should be used in the same deck... Think about it... you DDV your megacyber, and hit every 1500/below monster in ops hand and field, but he still has that pesky Berserk Gorilla (example), so what do you have in your hand, but the great cyber dragon... to which you thank the fiend megacyber for its duty, sp. summon the cyber dragon, and then summon another monster (if your op had 2 or more monsters that allowed a sp. summon of megacyber, of course). Hell yes its situationaly sometimes, but it is a possible scenario...

I just think that they could live together in harmony... so maybe it shouldn't be The Fiend Megacyber vs. Cyber Dragon, but The Fiend Megacyber AND Cyber Dragon...

~To quote the philosopher Martin Lawrence: "Can't we all just get along?"

[Paramore]

if you manage to successfully special summon fiend megacyber.. you just may be in trouble.. the game is deffly not going in ur favor.. lol

[lordjar]

if you manage to successfully special summon fiend megacyber.. you just may be in trouble.. the game is deffly not going in ur favor.. lol

I think I might just sig that...

[Baz0r-]

Cyber Dragon > The Fiend Megacyber
becaues Cyber Dragon is better when on start and topdecking, when your opponenet ave 1 monster on his first turn, then you special Cyber D.

[Paramore]

I think I might just sig that...
ah that would be awesome =)