Breaker the Magical Warrior VS. B.E.S. Tetran

[Yugor1000]

Let's start off with what both cards do:

The "Staple":

Breaker the Magical Warrior
Dark
Spellcaster/Effect
4 stars/1600/1000
Effect:
When this card is successfully Normal Summoned, put 1 Spell Counter on it (max. 1). Increase the ATK of this monster by 300 points for each Spell Counter on this card. Also, you can remove 1 Spell Counter from this card to destroy 1 Spell Card or Trap Card on the field.


The Contender:

B.E.S. Tetran
Wind
Machine/Effect
6 stars/1800/2300
Effect:
Put 3 counters on this card whne you norma summon it. This card is not destryoed as a result of battle. If this card battles a monster, remove 1 counter from this card at the end of the damage step. If this card battles without a counter, destroy this card at the end of the damage step.Also, by removing 1 counter on this card, destroy on Spell or Trap card on the field. you can only use this effect once per turn.

Now, most people say that Breaker is a staple, bt I almost never see Tetran suggested, though he is as good, or maybe even better then Breaker.

First, let's look at the pros and cons of each:

Breaker:
+No Tributes
+potenial +2 advantage
+Good basic attack
+Decent support for spellcasters
+Good Effect
+Good Removal effect
-After token used, 1600 attack
-The massive amounts of monster removal
-Defense is shoddy at best
-Has to be normal summoned

Tetran:
+Better Basic Attack and Defense
+More Tokens
+Indestructable in battle
+good Removal effect x3
+Decent Machine support
+Potenial +4 advantage
-massive amounts of monster removal
-1 tribute
-When tokens are gone, anything can destroy it
-Has to be normal summoned


Now when looking at both of these cards, most people will jump right to Breaker and say he's better cause he doesn't need tributes and he has his effect. Yes, Tetran's tribute is a big -, but they dont look at the fact that:
Even after Tetran uses his removal effect, he's more than a match for many monsters played today, though the drawback to his effect makes me hesitate to attack.Then they ignore the possible +4 to Tetran, and the worst he can leave you is -1.

I was wondering what you people think of this matchup, and, how you would rate them.

As for me:

As it is:
+Breaker

But if it wasn't for Tetrans 1 tribute, I think he would kick Breakers arse up and down the curb.

[ChaosNinja12]

I really don't agree with the comparison of these two cards. I would rather compare Tetran to Mobius. I would easily run Breaker over Tetran, as I'm pretty sure everyone else would to. Tetran is a decent monster but could never replace Breaker. Try Tetran over Mobius. You may be surprised.

[mahad dark magician]

yes well breaker is no comparison to tetran i hate those bes cards they wreck my head but cant breakers counter be replaced with a spell card as it is a spell counter tetran is destroyed as soon as he has no counters left so breaker by far cos hes in my spellcaster deck hahahahahahahahahahaha

[nobodys99]

i chose BES

since your opponent could just chain the card you are going to destroy with breakers effect and then nothing good would of came from it

but BES gets 3 chances

[S i l e n t l i n e]

Of course if Tetran was a no tribute monster it'd be better than Breaker...

The upside with Tetran... Is if you can get it to last on the field for two turns... The chances are you are getting rid of two S/T...

The thing that is pretty cool about the B.E.S. cards... Is that it brings a different thought into the gameplay...

I run a lot of monster removal... I'm talking three Solemn Judgments... Two Sakuretsu Armors... Two Bottomless Trap Holes... Two Fissures... And some other random monster removal... And there are still times that my friend gets out his B.E.S Crystal Core without it getting destroyed (He runs an ALO Deck with three Crystal Cores)...

When they are out... With no removal... What are you suppose to do... It is obvious that you are going to attack them and get a counter off of them when your monster has a higher attack... But when you don't... You are kind of SOL...

But... On the major downside... My deck does run Book of Moon... And two Swords of Concealing Light... And when any card with counters on it is turned face-down... It loses all it's counters...

But the thing with Crystal Core... Since it turns to be a no tribute monster... You can run three of them... Three Amphibious Bugroth MK-3... And tech in two Cyber Dragons like everyone does... And then tech in a Limiter Removal... And it works amazingly well...

The only problem with Tetran... Is the ATK blows... Sure the DEF is somewhat high... But if I am only losing about 500 LPs to take out a counter on it... I will attack Tetran in DEF mode... But it is kind of funny because most people won't do that... Which does give the chance for Tetran to use possibly all three of its counters if they don't draw a D.D. Warrior Lady... Fissure/Smashing Ground... Dark Hole... Or something along those lines...

The card definally has to be playtested to see how well it works... Not because of how you play it... But how your opponent would play against it...

But so far... Without playtesting Tetran... I think Cyrstal Core is the only one worth playing... And it is worth playing... Not only is the possibilty of it being a 2300 no tribute monster that doesn't die by attack (Which most monsters won't... And it probably won't last all three counters... But will get use out of one or two)... And the effect is good... Since it can't die in battle... You can just switch the opponent's monster into DEF mode... And take it out easy...

But Tetran is worth playtesting out to see how your opponent deals with it...

[Corpse]

but cant breakers counter be replaced with a spell card as it is a spell counter

of course not :/

[zephyr_]

STOP

breaker's 1337 times better than tetran

you know what BES really stands for?
Big
Effing
Suky tetran/cyrstal core ect..

but really it's not that bad a card. it's just no where near as good as breaker.

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[Mastastupidfa]

Try a Tetran with Soul Exchange!
Anyway, Breaker owns Tetran, if only For Tetran's Shoddy Stats.

[VampireMaster]

i have both breaker and tetran but i only run breaker becuase no point in it for a 1 tribute breaker wins hands down the only thing tetran should be competing aginst is mobis the frost monarch nd mobis still whips his butt

[mahad dark magician]

i chose BES

since your opponent could just chain the card you are going to destroy with breakers effect and then nothing good would of came from it

but BES gets 3 chances

i disagree breaker is good his effect is far better than tetrans those bes cards shud never have been made tribute to summon tetran and use trap hole he destriys it divine wrath his ass nothing comes out of that either breaker wins hands down

[C9XGMR]

i have both breaker and tetran but i only run breaker becuase no point in it for a 1 tribute breaker wins hands down the only thing tetran should be competing aginst is mobis the frost monarch nd mobis still whips his butt
Tetran is a Machine, how can Mobius whips its butt?



I prefer Tetran tho. But Breaker is probably better, it doen't need a trib, and it 1900 attack, then 1600.

[mahad dark magician]

of course not :/
and y cant it it is a misprint after all breaker was supposed to use counters not spell counters spell counters can be replaced with spell cards otherwise skilled dark magician would be ****ed wudnt he

[VampireMaster]

Tetran is a Machine, how can Mobius whips its butt?



I prefer Tetran tho. But Breaker is probably better, it doen't need a trib, and it 1900 attack, then 1600.

1 becuase mobis has 2400 atk which is pretty high 2 becuase seocund he is summoned 2 s/ts go bye bye

[mahad dark magician]

1 becuase mobis has 2400 atk which is pretty high 2 becuase seocund he is summoned 2 s/ts go bye bye
i totally agree but if you use trap hole his effect doesnt go thru he has to b successfully summoned so breaker hands down again

[Mastastupidfa]

Neither Breaker, Nor Tetran, (nor Mobius, I believe) get their Effects if they Get BTH/whatever.
Think: Mobius and tetran Both can Kill 2 s/t; tetran Just being Slower. Also giving the Chance of 3 s/t and an attack.

[mahad dark magician]

Neither Breaker, Nor Tetran, (nor Mobius, I believe) get their Effects if they Get BTH/whatever.

yeah they dont get their effects but wat wud u rather offer for mobis and tetran to get BTH or jus summon a breaker for no cost to get BTH id rather number 2

[BigDaddySkeletor]

with a Rising Air Current... it turns into a 2300 stick. that makes it acceptable... i might run 2 in a dedicated WIND Deck.

[The_C00kie_Cutter]

Breaker is much better but I believe BES has potential, im debating on siding him.

[mahad dark magician]

ok he has potential ....... NOT its the worst card ive seen but thats jus cos i dont like bes cards debate then cos im up 4 a good debate

[C9XGMR]

Tetran is a Machine, how can Mobius whips its butt?
1 becuase mobis has 2400 atk which is pretty high 2 becuase seocund he is summoned 2 s/ts go bye bye
You don't get the joke do you?
I know the difference of the two, I'm just saying, How can Tetran have an
@$$, if it's a Machine?

[mahad dark magician]

You don't get the joke do you?
I know the difference of the two, I'm just saying, How can Tetran have an
@$$, if it's a Machine?
good 1 hahahahaha

[Etc sucks]

Mobius is just so much better than BES

therefore its absoulety useless

[Ordyh]

Tetran is a 3- turn Spirit Reaper/Breaker IMO. I side one in my soul control deck...it works pretty well.

[aNiMe]

i dont know where people are getting this "If Mobius is bottomless'ed you dont get his effect" crap..

The only way a monster is considered "Unsuccessfully summoned" is if the summon is negated by Horn of Heaven / Solemn Judgement

Monsters have to be successfully summoned IN ORDER to use Bottomless trap hole on them

[Corpse]

and y cant it it is a misprint after all breaker was supposed to use counters not spell counters spell counters can be replaced with spell cards otherwise skilled dark magician would be ****ed wudnt he

you can place Spell Counters on 'Skilled Dark Magician' by playing a Spell Card because the effect of the monster says so, 'Breaker the Magical Warrior' has no such effect.

[5610]

you can place Spell Counters on 'Skilled Dark Magician' by playing a Spell Card because the effect of the monster says so, 'Breaker the Magical Warrior' has no such effect.

Breaker can get more counters on him by either Apprentice Magician or Pitch-Black Power Stone.

[Dark Vigilante]

Breaker > Mobius > Tetran.

But if it wasn't for Tetrans 1 tribute, I think he would kick Breakers arse up and down the curb.
A four star 1800 attack monster with the ability to knock out 3 m/t would be super broken. That'd be like saying Magical Scientist would be kickass if he didn't have the cost. [/obvious]

[ShroomXIII]

i'm not sure about tetrans ruling. breaker does not get priority if BTH or TT'd because you have to first put the counter on in order to remove it. Mobius does get priority BEFORE the opponent can use magic or traps......the opponent can then chain a BTH or TT to mobius effect........this post was in response to an earlier post in which somebody claimed mobius doesn't get priority if BTH is used on him

[PcolaFL]

tsukiyomi kills both hardcore

[DemonEyes2386]

Breaker, hands down, Tetran is too slow anyways.

[NiGhT WiNG]

if you're running tetran and not running breaker you sir are a grade A moron, so yea breaker hands down.

[Ordyh]

tsukiyomi kills both hardcore
how can Tsuku kill a monster with 2300 Defense?

[S i l e n t l i n e]

I'm pretty sure Breaker doesn't get priority... And if it does... That is kind of rediculous... For the simple fact that it goes against other rulings...

Breaker's priority (If it does get priority)... Should be used up when it gets the spell counter on it...

Therefore it is summoned successfully... Breaker gets the counter (that part is priority)... And then Bottomless Trap Hole is used...

Things resolve in a reverse order... And Bottomless Trap Hole takes into effect... And there is no Breaker... Nor any time to use the counter...

Now if the official ruling is different... Then they have a major problem... Because this wouldn't be consistant with rulings on some other cards...

As for Tetran... It should be the same case as Breaker...

Mobius is different though... It's effect is triggered by it being normal summoned... Thefore it is normal summoned successfully... The effect triggers... And then you Bottomless Trap Hole it (I think the targeting of Mobius' effect is before you activate Bottomless Trap Hole actually... But since you have time to respond to the summoming of Mobius... The effect for Bottomless Trap Hole is still able to be activated)...

Reverse it to resolve... Mobius is gone... But the effect of Mobius is still there and the targeted spells or traps are destroyed...

As for someone talking about Tsukuyomi... When Tsukuyomi flips something with counters face-down... The counters are taken off the monster... And I don't remember Breaker's DEF (I don't run one)... But I think it is low enough to be killed... And when Tetran battles without a counter... It dies at the end of the damage step... Thefore... Tsukuyomi wins...

But Tsukuyomi is only one card in a deck... And it can only be searched out by Sangan right now... So naming a single card to take out another card... Is a rediculously weak point...

[burntonapike]

STOP

breaker's 1337 times better than tetran

you know what BES really stands for?
Big
Effing
Suky tetran/cyrstal core ect..

but really it's not that bad a card. it's just no where near as good as breaker.

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huh?
i thought BES meant
big enormous ship lol
anyways read Jae Kims article on BES tetran at metagame.com

[aNiMe]

Mobius is different though... It's effect is triggered by it being normal summoned... Thefore it is normal summoned successfully... The effect triggers... And then you Bottomless Trap Hole it (I think the targeting of Mobius' effect is before you activate Bottomless Trap Hole actually... But since you have time to respond to the summoming of Mobius... The effect for Bottomless Trap Hole is still able to be activated)...
.

Targeting 2 Spell or Trap cards is the "cost" for activation, so you pick which cards, then the opponent has a chance to respond.

[Souljer]

i totally agree but if you use trap hole his effect doesnt go thru he has to b successfully summoned so breaker hands down againLook down.

i dont know where people are getting this "If Mobius is bottomless'ed you dont get his effect" crap..

The only way a monster is considered "Unsuccessfully summoned" is if the summon is negated by Horn of Heaven / Solemn Judgement

Monsters have to be successfully summoned IN ORDER to use Bottomless trap hole on themWhat he said.


Breaker is better than Tetran easily. No tribute with only 200 less attack. Smashing Grounds, D.D. Assailants, and D.D. Warrior Lady run amuck. More than likely Tetran will be destroyed before he uses up a second counter to destroy a magic or trap card.

[YGO_Master]

B.E.S. Tetran is **** when breaker is kewl

[TheDarkVampire]

now now

breaker nuff said

[zephyr_]

huh?
i thought BES meant
big enormous ship lol
anyways read Jae Kims article on BES tetran at metagame.com

I hope that was a joke... It REALLY stands for Bacterian Empire Ship.

[Mayuga]

Breaker > BES