BoM > EC?

[zephyr_]

Can someone plz tell me why BoM would be better in a non FFC than EC? I've seen it in plenty of decks even though EC is far more versitile. I was just curious.

IMO, EC > BoM in non FFC

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[aNiMe]

What part of "flip face down" in a "flip flop control" has you confused?

[Airknight]

BoM can save the monster from Sa. armor, bottomless etc... while EC does half of what BoM does~ but EC is more offensive because of the second effect~

[zephyr_]

What part of "flip face down" in a "flip flop control" has you confused?


What part of "in a non FFC" has you confused. Wow you just embarrassed yourself w/ that post.


To Airknight: ok i see. and it would also save it from Smashing ground. Thank you.

[aNiMe]

Just use both for christs sake, both take care of any jinzo/mobius problems you might be experiencing

[L2theZ]

It's FFC not FFD.

BoM > EC, while both are -1 if you have any flips those negate teh -1. Also EC's second ability is stupid, and BoM can combo with NoC/MS LV2.

[zephyr_]

It's FFC not FFD.

What??? Who are you talking to?

[What Is It ?]

Can someone plz tell me why BoM would be better in a non FFC than EC?


magician of faith
dekoichi
magical merchant
des koala
night assailant
etc..


enemy controller is fake advantage in most decks except for decks which involve OTKs with attacking. book of moon through the above cards mentioned can give further advantage and can be recycled with tsukuyomi and magician of faith or just magician of faith and book of moon.

[zephyr_]

magician of faith
dekoichi
magical merchant
des koala
night assailant
etc..


enemy controller is fake advantage in most decks except for decks which involve OTKs with attacking. book of moon through the above cards mentioned can give further advantage and can be recycled with tsukuyomi and magician of faith or just magician of faith and book of moon.

ok thank you.

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[Airknight]

enemy controller is fake advantage in most decks except for decks which involve OTKs with attacking.
let's just say EC requires skill to use in order to gain advantage via it.

[L2theZ]

let's just say EC requires skill to use in order to gain advantage via it.

This advantage also requires your opponet to not have anything defensive with the first effect.

It also requires him to be dumb enough to Sakuretsu Armor his own attacking monster with the second one.

[Lord of the Bling]

Even then it doesn't gain advantage.

[The_C00kie_Cutter]

You can abuse any flip effect u play, and unlike EC if they smashing or sak you can protect your monster.

Also it combos with Snatch and NoC

[zephyr_]

Thanks for everyone's posts! So it seems that EC isn't getting love is it? ;)

[Airknight]

This advantage also requires your opponet to not have anything defensive with the first effect.

It also requires him to be dumb enough to Sakuretsu Armor his own attacking monster with the second one.
that is where skill required. the user has to make sure the timing is right otherwise s/he wont be able to breakeven the cost.

[L2theZ]

So it requires know how to do basic Math?

the only way you can gaina dvantage is using EC, sacing your monster, getting their, and tribuiteing for mobius while hitting 2 unchainable traps.

Like I said before the second effect is completly pointless, and the first effect is outclassed by Book Of Moon.

[Airknight]

So it requires know how to do basic Math?

the only way you can gaina dvantage is using EC, sacing your monster, getting their, and tribuiteing for mobius while hitting 2 unchainable traps.

Like I said before the second effect is completly pointless, and the first effect is outclassed by Book Of Moon.
the second effect can be used against smashing ground ya know~

and it's not about basic math, id depends on a lot of things.eg if the user has huge card and field advantage over his opponent, he wouldnt mind to give up two cards for gaining control of his opponent's monster for one turn.

this card is not some card that can just shove in any deck. lot people dont like it because they dont know how to gain advantage via it and they all think it sucks.

[Pacman]

EC is way too situational.

BoM>>>>>>>EC

[L2theZ]

If you use it on Smashing Ground it's still a 2:2, the only way to get a +1 out of that is if you tribuited Sangan for it. But why your opponet didn't attempt to kill the monster in battle is beside me, also why they summoned THEN used Smashing Ground baffles me.

The only time you would bother giving yourself a -2 is if you're going to win the game, or you've got soo much advantage your opponet should scoop. Again comboing it with Sangan and Mobius is about the only way you can GAIN advantage with it.

[KogyochiBJ]

Um...honestly, EC>BOM right now because it owns spirit reapers and first turn breakers. I've found that BOM is accually quite crappy in this format unless you're running mslv2 and Drillroid or something. I'd personally say, run Tsukuyomi as your BOM and EC in place of BOM. Sounds simple to me.

[5610]

EC truly shines in a Horus/Decree Lockdown deck.


Since you can't depend on traps to protect you, the protection must come from the Magic Lineup. EC fills that role quite well.

[Wardog369]

What part of "flip face down" in a "flip flop control" has you confused?


That would be the best answer to your question right there.

[Romancer]

BoM > EC... Absolutely.

They both can stop an attack and shift a monster to defense where they are weak, but being able to recycle your own flip monsters is more important than giving up one of your monsters for a 1 turn monster steal. Also, BoM will save your monsters form most any card effect that would kill them or steal them, which is a very nice and versatille emans of protection.

[zephyr_]

That would be the best answer to your question right there.

No that would be the best case of "not reading the original post" right there. :p

[pharaohyami5000]

Book of Moon better than Enemy Controller.

Book of Moon creates more advantage with the number of Flip Effects released around this area. It's more of the defensive side, but if created right, it can also become extremely offensive to your opponent. Monsters like Morphing Jar, Dekoichi, Magician of Faith, Night Assailant, Vindictive Old Magician, and many others benefit from this card, plus saves your monsters from destructive cards you see everyday like Snatch Steal, Brain Control, Enemy Controller (2nd effect), Smashing Ground, and many others.

Enemy Controller supports more in Decks with trample power and is chosen for its defensive effect. It's also a good card to use a Sheep Token or other face-up monsters with 0 ATK or DEF (for tramplers).

[PainAgonySuffering]

EC is way too situational.

BoM>>>>>>>EC

And Book of Moon isn't situational either?? Both can stop attacks, its just EC has a kicker to it. It can also trib. a monster and take control. Book of Moon can also abuse flip effects..

[Shizzle]

BoM can re-use the flip-effects of monsters that most decks have(i.g. magican of faith and magical merchant). And it can balance itself out as a 1-1 by stopping bottomless trap hole and other cards such as sakuetsu armor.

[BabYcakes]

book of moon is 1337x better than controller.

[Mayuga]

imo BoM is better, but it matters what you run you can abuse ec with ngs in numbers.

[DivineVTDragon]

Book of Moon is better because it's more versatile in the offensive and defensive respects. Re-using flips, putting things face-down, and chainability to any monster makes it better than Controller.

However, that's not to say controller sucks. Most of the time, controller's second effect is the end game, summoning one of your monsters, then attack one other monster and playing controller to attack direct (or if you're really lucky, kill monsters with the same attack). With controller, you can't change your monster to defense when it's heavy'd or MSTed (which you want to protect your 200/300 attack monsters).

[Roku]

BoM > EC.

Fact.

Book can be used in a variety of ways, as an offensive move to flip something down to regain it's effect, or to stop an attack.

EC can change the position of one of your Opponent's monsters, or you can try a -2 and take control of your opponents monster for one turn. :D

[Black-Canary]

What part of "in a non FFC" has you confused. Wow you just embarrassed yourself w/ that post.


To Airknight: ok i see. and it would also save it from Smashing ground. Thank you.

You know the original post was edited after his right? Flipping face-down is > than switching to defense.


In the end

Switching F/D > Switching F/U

[Airknight]

If you use it on Smashing Ground it's still a 2:2, the only way to get a +1 out of that is if you tribuited Sangan for it. But why your opponet didn't attempt to kill the monster in battle is beside me, also why they summoned THEN used Smashing Ground baffles me..
answer: to avoid TT >.>!!

[chaoswizard]

BoM is better because it can be used with Snatch or save your monster from smashing sak or bth

[Saint Jimmy]

So it requires know how to do basic Math?

the only way you can gaina dvantage is using EC, sacing your monster, getting their, and tribuiteing for mobius while hitting 2 unchainable traps.

Like I said before the second effect is completly pointless, and the first effect is outclassed by Book Of Moon.

Yay for close minded bad players!

[cinci033]

My God, we've had about a billion of these topics. BoM > EC, both usually function the same way, but Book of Moon usually leads to losing less advantage than Enemy Controller does.