If Everyone Else Is Doing It, Why Not Me!

[Ordyh]

lock it up...

[StarScream]

I bolded new cards!

Ban - Confiscation(i mainly just banned this to bring back The Forceful Sentry, not b/c Confiscation is good, b/c its not =\)

II. Limited Cards

You can ONLY use one of the following cards in the Deck, Fusion Deck & Side Deck combined.

Book of Moon
Book of Taiyou
Breaker the Magical Warrior
Call of the Haunted
Card Destruction
Ceasefire
Cyber Jar
D. D. Warrior Lady
Dark Hole
Dark Magician of Chaos
Deck Devastation Virus
Exchange of the Spirit
Exiled Force
Exodia the Forbidden One
Heavy Storm
Injection Fairy Lily
Jinzo
Last Turn
Left Arm of the Forbidden One
Left Leg of the Forbidden One
Lightning Vortex
Limiter Removal
Mage Power
Magic Cylinder
Magician of Faith
Messenger of Peace(just as good as SORL is most cases)
Metamorphosis
Morphing Jar
Mystical Space Typhoon
Night Assailant
Nobleman of Crossout
Pot of Avarice
Premature Burial
Protector of the Sanctuary
Reckless Greed
Reflect Bounder
Right Arm of the Forbidden One
Right Leg of the Forbidden One
Sacred Phoenix of Nephthys
Sangan
Scapegoat
Snatch Steal
Swords of Revealing Light
The Forceful Sentry
Thousand-Eyes Restrict
Torrential Tribute
Tsukuyomi
Twin-Headed Behemoth
United We Stand
Yellow Spring Frog

NEW! - Messenger of Peace, The Forceful Sentry, Yellow Spring Frog, Last Turn, Pot of Avarice


III. Semi-Limited Cards

You can ONLY use two of the following cards in the Deck, Fusion Deck & Side Deck combined.

Abyss Soldier
Bazoo the Soul Eater
Chaos Sorceror
Creature Swap
Cyber Dragon(like we didnt see that, no1 uses 3 anyways =\)
D.D. Assailant(see above, except the no1 uses 3 part)
Dust Tornado
Emergency Provisions
Good Goblin Housekeeping
Gravity Bind
Level Limit - Area B
Manticore of Darkness
Reinforcement of the Army
Return from the Differnet Dimension
Upstart Goblin

NEW! - D.D. Assailant, Cyber Dragon, Dust Tornado, RFTDD, Bazoo the Soul Eater, Jowgen the Spiritualist, Chaos Sorceror
I just hope I get first crack on you.... Is this a joke? CED isnt there,BLS Yata.... Are you insane?!? Or do you LIKE being insulted!?! I have no doubt that before Xmas is over 4 more people are going to see this and throw grenades at you.... I wouldnt be surprised that everyone on this FORUM throws missiles at you... This list is PURE GARBAGE. What are you tryin to solve? BUT..... If this is a clever ploy to show the futility of all these predictions on the banlist then kudos for showing us all the ignorance or our ways....BUT...... If it ain't...... then you might as well prepare for a holocaust of verbal assaults from a multitude of people.....like I said.... I just hope I got first crack on you...
I glad you cleared that up... now lets see....Is jowgen at 2? hes not listed...

[Ordyh]

*looks at his list*where do u see BLS, CED and Yata on the limited list? or am i going blind? I ment to say(and edited) that all those cards are still banned. Im just takin Forceful out and adding Confiscation in its place. You my friend have been reported for spam...have a merry christmas

[Lord of the Bling]

Why do people think Yomifrog is worth limiting?

Cos its not. More than one in the grave is pointless.

[StarScream]

I gave it some serious thought...... And agree with one point on my previous post. What are you trying to do? Most of the cards that you limit to 2 is how much anyone plays with anyway, so it isn't hurting anybody....POA hasn't been abused recently, so why throw him at one? MOP seems like a good idea but I run one, if at all so once again no real change. To be honest this list doesn't really change anything..... oh and go ahead and report for an error on your part.

[Ordyh]

I gave it some serious thought...... And agree with one point on my previous post. What are you trying to do? Most of the cards that you limit to 2 is how much anyone plays with anyway, so it isn't hurting anybody....POA hasn't been abused recently, so why throw him at one? MOP seems like a good idea but I run one, if at all so once again no real change. To be honest this list doesn't really change anything..... oh and go ahead and report for an error on your part.
error on my part? its common sense, u dont see BLS, CED, Yata, ECT on the limited or semi list nor did i add any Off the List! part...so where else would they be?

anyhow, alot of people use 3 DDA. Pot to 1 is good, abusable with 2 Merchants is why i limited it. And MOP to 1 is good, b/c some people use Burn or clown control decks with like 2 main. Also, useful tech in Tomato or Rat Control.

[StarScream]

But you are still evading my question on what this list is supposed to do. First off, why not limit the merchant instead? That will stop the abuse of pot somewhat, as well as limit even more the Exchange combo.I assume the simi of Bazoo and RFtDD is to combat that growing lethal deck... And why not just allow both Forceful and Con to run around together?It will up the playability of certain decks considerably. Dust at 2 is how much people usually run, so why bother? As for DDA, why not go all the way and throw it up there with DDWL and make DDW limited to 2? Jowgen and Last at 1? Are you going to limit Final Countdown as well? Some decks I've seen use him for last ditch efforts to stop stall, so why kick their crutch? Why hate on a frog that hasn't even realized its potential? Once more I will reiterate: What is this list trying to do?
Oh, before I forget, I am not your friend if I don't even know you...

[Ordyh]

Oh, before I forget, I am not your friend if I don't even know you...
wow, u hurt my feelings

anyhow, i made some changes to the list and to answer ur question Holy, well um i really dont know wat im tryin to do....i did my list like any others did, to show how they would have it.

[Lord of the Bling]

What in hell did you limit Zaborg for?

[Ordyh]

it is pretty obvious, he is good...real good, 1-2 is Soul Control now-a-days.

[StarScream]

So you went from having a list that I saw possible to picking off deck types? Gravekeeper's Spy at 2? GK Decks consider her a staple, and now you just slowed them down considerably. You bashed Soul Control by throwing it at 2, and all but killed the monarch deck. Thestalos isn't that good with Dark World running around. I have mixed feelings toward moby.. he's running rampant in threes currantly, so a drop in count is needed, but 1? That's a bit harsh don't you think?Zaborg at one seems like a good idea, but it goes back to messing with theme decks. Why touch Brain Control? Its more balanced than Change of Heart ever was. I think it doesn't need to be limited to one, MAYBE two, but not one. DD Survivor is usually used to counter DDWL, DDA and Chaos Sorceror, but with less targets that can remove him, why limit him? Speaking of Chaos Sorceror, why not treat him like his bigger brothers and limit him? Dust at one is a better idea than what you had earlier, I'll admit that much. Last but not least, I'm sorry for hurting your feelings, you poor baby. :)

[Ordyh]

the edited version is to put a hurt on Soul Control, which IMO is Tier 1. I dont care wat no1 says....Double Mobius = Jee Jee. Heck, even i use 2 Mobius' and its just wrong to beat my opp so quickly with them.

[StarScream]

So why not put a hurt on zombie? They ALWAYS been a top tier deck. But you still have yet to give a justifiable reason for messing with the frog. You solved some problems with this list, to be sure, but you created some as well. Besides, I thought banlists were to promote the usage of theme decks, so why are you still leaving Spy at two?!

[topspin1617]

Wow you really beat up on Soul Control.

Anyway, I don't think the point of the ban list should to be weaken competitive, persay. I think it should be to bring back cards that can help other deck types.

The list isn't bad, but it really doesn't address the weaknesses of this format.

[StealthoftheWest]

If no one uses 3 copies of Cyber Dragon, then tell me, what's the point of semi-restricting it?

Also, DDA should be at one.

[topspin1617]

If no one uses 3 copies of Cyber Dragon, then tell me, what's the point of semi-restricting it?

Also, DDA should be at one.

Actually, DDA is okay at 2.

[Indignation]

Wow you really beat up on Soul Control.

Anyway, I don't think the point of the ban list should to be weaken competitive, persay. I think it should be to bring back cards that can help other deck types.

The list isn't bad, but it really doesn't address the weaknesses of this format.
The problem is with bringing cards back to help other deck types helps the more played deck typed even more than the underplayed decktypes therefore not helping them at all since they still won't be played.

[topspin1617]

The problem is with bringing cards back to help other deck types helps the more played deck typed even more than the underplayed decktypes therefore not helping them at all since they still won't be played.

Not necessarily.

Magical Scientist fits very well in a Spellcaster deck, even makes Sorcerer of Dark Magic playable.

Painful Choice works wonders for Fiends, Elemental Heroes, Plants, Insects (SOI), etc.

Graceful Charity helps Dark World and Elemental Heroes out tremendously.

There are many cards that have a lot more synergy in theme decks than they do in CC.

[Indignation]

Not necessarily.

Magical Scientist fits very well in a Spellcaster deck, even makes Sorcerer of Dark Magic playable.

Painful Choice works wonders for Fiends, Elemental Heroes, Plants, Insects (SOI), etc.

Graceful Charity helps Dark World and Elemental Heroes out tremendously.

There are many cards that have a lot more synergy in theme decks than they do in CC.
All those cards you mentioned would be used in the standard CC and totally blow all those decks away easily. I mean every single card you just said will be used in every single deck (except scientist in a few). Remember we had them before like last ban list and before and every kind of deck was able to use them but still the Chaos CC always remained supreme.

[topspin1617]

All those cards you mentioned would be used in the standard CC and totally blow all those decks away easily. I mean every single card you just said will be used in every single deck (except scientist in a few). Remember we had them before like last ban list and before and every kind of deck was able to use them but still the Chaos CC always remained supreme.

True, they would be in every deck. However, I think with the proper shifting of cards in the ban list, these decks would be able to consistently compete with CC decks.

[Airknight]

it is pretty obvious, he is good...real good, 1-2 is Soul Control now-a-days.
soul control sucks anyway~ if they manage to pull off the combo, they deserve the +1 advantage then.

[Indignation]

The thing is they didn't in the past and why would they now? I mean adding 3 breakers to spellcaster decks would help them out alot but it would help CCs even more.

[topspin1617]

The thing is they didn't in the past and why would they now? I mean adding 3 breakers to spellcaster decks would help them out alot but it would help CCs even more.

3 Breakers is crazy. But some of those other cards are very feasible to have at 1 instead of banned.

I mean, think about it. What's the problem with Raigeki coming back or something? When's the last time you had 3+ monsters on the field for Raigeki to wipe away? If your opponent lets you get that kind of advantage, they are probably gonna lose anyway.

[Indignation]

3 Breakers was just an example lol.

"What's the problem with Raigeki coming back or something? When's the last time you had 3+ monsters on the field for Raigeki to wipe away? If your opponent lets you get that kind of advantage, they are probably gonna lose anyway."

What you just said cannot be proven as skill but more as common sense. If you play a noob of course your going to punish them with a overpowered card. But what f you are playing an expert? That is expert vs expert. Then it goes more to luck than a noobish mistake to determine the winner.

[topspin1617]

3 Breakers was just an example lol.

"What's the problem with Raigeki coming back or something? When's the last time you had 3+ monsters on the field for Raigeki to wipe away? If your opponent lets you get that kind of advantage, they are probably gonna lose anyway."

What you just said cannot be proven as skill but more as common sense. If you play a noob of course your going to punish them with a overpowered card. But what f you are playing an expert? That is expert vs expert. Then it goes more to luck than a noobish mistake to determine the winner.

In expert vs. expert, they wouldn't have multiple monsters on the field before the use of Raigeki. So it would be difficult to use Raigeki to its full potential. A good player knows that their opponent has that card somewhere in the deck, and will avoid being really hurt by it. It isn't luck, because the expert shouldn't let themself be hit that badly with the card.

[Indignation]

IT goes to a point where the expert will soon run out of resources due to who got the better ones in the draw. Therefore they will sooner or later have to submit to save themself and get hit by raigeki.

[Ordyh]

So why not put a hurt on zombie? They ALWAYS been a top tier deck. But you still have yet to give a justifiable reason for messing with the frog. You solved some problems with this list, to be sure, but you created some as well. Besides, I thought banlists were to promote the usage of theme decks, so why are you still leaving Spy at two?!
has Zombie Top 8ed at SJC anytime this format? i dont think so..... :rolleyes:

[soraokyut]

Why doesn't everyone just Konami/UDE make the choices and leave it at that. If your not happy on how the game is run then quit.

Personally Ordyh your list is bad. I feel i couldn't post a list because it doesn't matter how you make someone is always going to flame you for it cause not everyone will ever be happy with how the list is put together...

[ZorcTheAncientClown]

[QUOTE=HolyDraconus]And why not just allow both Forceful and Con to run around together?It will up the playability of certain decks considerably.QUOTE]

Completely false. All they do is down the playability of combo decks since CC can toss them in, and drawing either on the first turn will hurt a theme deck A LOT.

Only deck they would help is a "Clairvoyance" deck, with DD Designators and Mind Crushes and such.

[Netdecker]

If everyone does it, get the hint not to seeing as they cause flames?

[99TourGuides]

Spy to 2 is not smart. It hurts GK and does nothing to CC, as CC only runs 2 at all, while GK runs 3.

[StarScream]

has Zombie Top 8ed at SJC anytime this format? i dont think so..... :rolleyes:
Its kinda hard to top 8 when you have Chaos and its many forms running rampant. When you have an easier way to win, you take it. Zombies been a great theme deck for a while. The only thing they are missing imo is Curse of the Vampire. I'm pretty sure that with BLS now gone, people may actually look and realize just how good they are. Of course, this is under the assumption that there isn't something easier to play.